@Cerberus ὑπερβατον

^^^^^^ Terwilliger is the twirling lad’s surname, as clear a case of nominative determinism as you can ask for. :)

@tchrist @Cerberus Lion

@Lawrence Okay, but that root was changed, from Latin leo.

@tchrist Trick question. Take rainbow to be the pattern formed by differential refraction of the wavelengths emitted by the light source. Quantization and a finite light source imply a finite number of wavelengths. With the sun as light source, there will be more than 7 wavelengths, some invisible to humans. The only candidates remaining are #3, #4 and #5.

For a perfect refracting medium "all colours" is trivially correct, so the answer is #5. For an imperfect medium, answer: #3. You can also get #5 trivially if you interpret "all colours" as "all the colours in the rainbow".

If "all colours" in #4 includes those not emitted by the light source, then we're again left with #3.

:P

Purple is not in the rainbow.

And it is a color.

There is a little near-IR and near-UV. Not much but some.

So #4 is wrong.

@Lawrence There are infinitely many colors, but not all colors.

Arguably IR and UV are not colors, but people without a UV-filtering lens can see near-UV.

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@tchrist My original answer defined colour in terms of wavelength, but I took it out to try (unsuccessfully) to keep the answer to a single message. My answer needs to be read with that definition.

If you're talking about colours people can see, #3 is an oxymoron. Also, we'll need to distinguish between sensed colours (3 or maybe 4) and perceived colours (like your purple). By that time, #4 is sitting pretty when interpreted as a cheeky tautology, with 'all' expanding to 'all the colours in the rainbow'. I'd prefer to say that none of the answers is correct.

@Lawrence Well, grey and purple are non-spectral colors.

All colors are all the things that people perceive as colors. Probably.

It isn't just all monochromatic spectral frequencies.

Those are spectral colors, a subset of what I would consider perceived colors.

After all, there are infinitely many metameric matches using a three-part tristimulus response-vector for the same monochromatic color. Those are all the same perceived color, albeit differing frequency combinations.

I’m ok with defining color to be what we the human mind thinks is a color. All color is based in neurobiology in this model.

The definition of color derived from physics is the one that measures the monochromatic spectral frequency of electromagnetic radiation. It in contrast is not rooted in biology.

I’ll work with whatever definition one wishes to use for color, provided that the perception-based concept and the physics-based concept never get conflated into one thing, because they are fundamentally different. We just need to use different terms or different modifiers of a common term to differentiate these.

But yes, it was a wickedly trick question, because it plays about that duality.

There are infinitely many spectral colors, and there are also infinitely many purples. Is the cardinality of those two infinite sets the same?

Same with greys.

Where Purple = Blueˣ + Redʸ for all infinitely many values of x and y, and Grey = Blueˣ + Greenˣ + Redˣ for all infinitely many values of x. So those should have the same cardinality.

The purples would appear to be “more numerous” than the greys because both x and y can vary independently, but it should still all be the same one-to-one matching-up and so the same set cardinality.

@tchrist :)

@tchrist Conflates wavelength and visual-perception definitions of colour.

Unfortunately.

I wonder whether he would pay more attention to me if I dropped my surname; that would leave me having the same name as he has.

acatalectic         having complete or full number of syllables in a poetic line
accismus            in rhetoric, pretending to refuse something
adynaton            rhetorical use of a nearly impossible situation for emphasis
agnomination        rhetorical use of similar-sounding words for effect
alogism             illogical statement
anacoenosis         rhetorical questioning of hearers or opponents for opinions on a matter
anacoluthon         moving to new topic of discussion before finishing current one

^^^^ List of rhetorical devices from phrontistery.info/rhetoric.html for the next time this is needed.

The take-away from all that is that the Greeks sure talked a lot. :)

@Lawrence @tchrist There's also Orion, although the "on" here is part of the stem, not the Greek suffix "-on" that is cognate to Latin "-um."

@sumelic ... And, of course, the plain ion. :)

"This answer was flagged as low-quality because of its length and content." I thought answers tripped on length when they were too short.

@Lawrence The algorithm behind the automatic low-quality flags cast on certain answers is not public, but is generally believed by those without certain knowledge to take multiple factors into account. Furthermore, it could always have been a manual flag to that effect.

@tchrist Ok, thanks.

Happy to help, if help that did.

:) I was just surprised, given the length of that answer.

Your point about manual flagging makes sense.

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"it doesn't have" or "it doesn't has" ?

I got it, "it doesn't have"

@tchrist The other takeaway is that these devices cover all speech completely. So you could write a speech with a handful of parameters and these tropes and be done, like rhetoric.py

There is a word like "sadeld" which means "the offer confirmed", anybody knows what's that English word?

@tchrist lol, the youtube comments on that video are a bunch of people freaking out over the fact that the guy mentioned evolution.

@Shafizadeh Can you use it in a sentence? I can't think of what it might be.

Settled?

@KitZ.Fox yess .. I think that's the one

Yeah, OK. I think "settled".

"What is that supposed to mean?"

ah ok thx

But it's pronounced "What is that supposeta mean?" (it's really hard to try to pronounce two t's in a row)

@Mitch technically it's a d followed by a t

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hm... sure...assimilation and other effects happen. whatever it is it ain't there anymore.

like 'I used to go to the zoo' -> 'I yousta go...'

sure the effect is real.

@Mr.Shiny Where did you get the playback error?

on G+

@Mitch :)

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Weird. I changed the settings if you want to try again.

A strict "like" would be "big like". Now what's a strict "dislike" ?

big dislike?

is it valid ? ^

Valid for what? I don't understand the context.

If I write "big dislike" under a post as a comment, Can OP understand what's my point?

As much as they understand "big like", yes.

ah ok :)

@Shafizadeh they'd understand you but it would sound weird

@KitZ.Fox okay it works now

Thanks

@Mitch ah I see

@KitZ.Fox I +1'd and deleted my comment

Aww. Thanks!

I thought you didn't like ASMR.

Why recently have some obviously liberal causes seemed to have attracted obviously misogynistic commentary?

Because bullies gonna bully.

but my conception of 'obviously liberal' should have filtered out bullies.

And misogynists are going to misogynise.

but (really) obviously) it did not.

@Mitch It attracts them.

@KitZ.Fox I'm not really a fan, but that's okay.

Like jocks to a pack of nerds on the playground.

I would think illiberalism would attract them instead

predators to prey.

@KitZ.Fox that's not automatically misogynistic for me.

@Mitch They exist in every group

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 so is it that the outliers (the misogynists who are philosophically illiberal) are noticed the most?

or is it that misogyny is truly orthogonal to liberalism?

or other ways?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 (which is to say, yes, I agree, life isn't simple)

@Mitch "liberalism" needs to be defined here before I can answer this.

eg historically very conservative groups who on a few issues hold views associated with liberals (eg police people tend to be for gun control)

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 liberalism = not conservatism

1. Conservatism needs to be defined here

or rather pick you definition to answer (i.e. some parts of libertarianism are very liberal and some very conservative)

2. I don't think it's a useful notion to take the complement of "Conservatives" as a unified whole.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 vaguely: conservatism = US republican, liberal = US democrat. labels are oversimplifications.

@Mitch yeah. So I'd say that answers your question. Labels are oversimplifications.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 we could go on about the philosophy of the fluidity of labels.

There aren't enough political parties in the US to capture the nuance. Also the Republican party has spent 40 years going crazy.

but let's not and stick with ...

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's all the inbreeding.

So even people who would have been Republican in most senses before the crazies took over now find themselves Democrats

why does the skeptic community seem to have a lot of misogyny? it doesn't seem compatible.

@Mitch That's a good question.

(the other example is Sanders supporters)

I think the answer is "Our culture has a lot of misogyny" combined with "skeptics think they know everything"

another philsophical argument is how much is 'how much' or 'a lot'.

This leads to skeptic misogynists refusing to admit there's a problem

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that seems plausible...skeptics, by thinking they themselves are so open minded, tend to be dogmatic about it, so that other thoughts outside of their primary skeptical thoughts may be inconsistent

@Mitch haha, yes, I was just going to to write something like that. Was in the middle of writing "dogmatic" when you posted.

eg someone who is anti vaccines may be argued against misogynistically.

But then you have the vaccine skeptics.

Climate change skeptics.

but that doesn't answer my question (why so much visible now), just justifies the possibility.

I think the visibility now is maybe due to a couple things. 1. we diagnose it more now. 2. The internet is helping to bring voices to women and minorities, but also to trolls, who get more vicious.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 have you heard of the recent NECSS/Horgan controversy?

no

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 i wondered if it's all trolls (who are not really part of the group).

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Also, Rachel Watson, who has had to pull back from a lot of skeptic things because of misogynistic attacks.

I'm just surprised how much and how virulent the misogyny is and can't explain it (trolls seem unlikely, and skeptics who are misogynistic doesn't make sense (even with the 'people are complex' argument; it doesn't help explain he amount))

@Mitch Well, what I mean by trolls is trollish, hostile behaviour facilitated by distance and anonymity.

@KitZ.Fox Please wash Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina out of my head. Now.

@Mitch Did you mean Rebecca Watson?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 NECSS is a yearly skeptic conference, and John Horgan (a Scientific American opinion editor) gave a short talk basically 'wake up skeptics, you're doing it wrong' which upset skeptics because it was wrong in almost all factual statements (but had a point (I think a trivial one) that they could do better). nothing to do with isogyny though.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 let's the real inner jerk come out.

@MετάEd and send them on their way?

@Mitch Misogyny. That's making soup out of women, isn't it? Contemptible practice.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Argh... yes. Susan/Sarah, Tim/Tom, left/right. I can't keep any of those apart.

@MετάEd salty but some protein

@Mitch Audience right, or stage right?

@Mitch I think a lot of men of all ideologies are feeling threatened by feminism, because (like white people and racism), the low hanging fruit of obvious overt discrimination has been whittled away, but what's left is still a lot of male privilege and hidden discrimination. Solving these problems needs rectifying actions, and by definition giving women the same privilege as men means neither group has privilege and thus men lose relative power.

Men feel the problem is solved, so when they see, e.g. a conference organizer explicitly setting a goal of getting female speakers, they interpret that as "I can't be a speaker here because I'm male, she is being a speaker here because she's female"

The narrative then changes to "White men are oppressed"

Then they lash out.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then they get old and die. I take the long view.

@MετάEd yeah... well, hopefully. The ideas don't all die with them though, there are still misogynistic young people.

Meanwhile, the perception in the next generation is changed permanently by seeing women and minorities having real power.

Solution: Everyone wears a giant suit of armor whenever they're outside

Gender/Race/Judging Eliminated

@MετάEd yes, that's one of the goals of the affirmative action of, e.g., Canada's Prime Minister setting explicit goals of a gender-balanced Cabinet.

@MετάEd But also, for that to work, the privileged group needs to lose its sense of entitlement.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's why I say I voted for Obama because he's black and Clinton because Bill will make a great First Lady.

@MετάEd lol

Hi! Could it be considered tasteless to modify an adverb with another adverb? As in "I worked on this completely independently."

@Færd It's perfectly normal to do so.

I thought it might seem too wordy.

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver sweatiness increased

@Mitch That's perspirasist.

You think everyone sweats?

The phrase "hot adverb on adverb action" exists in only one written work on the Internet.

scoff

@Færd sounds fine to me. ask your journal editor. which is probably you.

OK then. Thanks all.

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver you're so labelist

@Mitch Can you not ping me today? My music is super quiet today for some reason

So the pings just break my eardrums

???

I understand the problem.

Music = Quiet

But it's not my problem. I don't know what your context is.

MIDIs are just quiet for some reason

Sorry, I was harsh.

Which one

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver Is this a PC?

The one where I bluntly answered ???

@MετάEd Yup

What I mean is...

and there goes my ears again

I saw a blooper reel of Jackie Chan (who is otherwise a physical comedic genius)

I thought you could control the MIDI volume independently. Maybe you have it attenuated.

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver You can disable pings by clicking on the speaker icon at the top right of the chat room.

wait... it was Chris Tucker.

And during shooting, someone calls Chris...

@MετάEd Thanks, I adjusted Chrome Volume

Forgot I could do that

and he answers is and starts talking.

and everyone is staring at him because he's interrupting the filming with his personal conversation.

Comedy genius!

and Chris wa beratig the caller for calling during shooting.

How was the caller supposed to know? Also, Chris shouldn't have answered, because he knows when it is appropriate in his circumstances to answer or not.

Just went back to casual game development

Already overwhelmed by how much I forgot

so no pinging for now

I don't even remember how to instance gravity correct

@Mitch It's cool

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver My brief reading indicates the MIDI volume is controlled by the master volume slider -- there is no separate MIDI volume.

is this development of casual games or are you developing games casually

Meta reminded me I can adjust master volumes

@MετάEd But I CAN adjust the Chrome Window volume

Ping volume down

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver Right.

I used to have stereo mix on all the time and it was annoying

It would just echo everything played at 25 or higher volume

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver Blooper gold!

Just staring awkwardly at my game's character object

Trying to remember how to give it gravity

probably not check collision

Now I have to go to the other computer

Upload my local game files to the global folder

And check the mess that is my game for the character

And find how to make gravity work

SE Chat needs a pop-up function

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver It's not just 32 feet per second per second. It's the law.

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver to say what? "New feed Items" already pops up to tell you new questions on the main and meta sites.

@MετάEd With what? Soap?

@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver you can write your own with user scripts

Demise.

Is it Remise? Is it Denise? No...

Chemise.

Lovely.

Cerise

@KitZ.Fox Sure. Strong lye soap should be good for washing stuff out of my head, got any?

And suddenly I'm thinking about a nice Chianti.

No, no, not Chianti. Who was that secretary of state?

@MετάEd I have been called "Lyesmuth".

@KitZ.Fox What is a Lyesmuth?

A person who lies a lot.

> I had the most supremely awful day.

What do most and supremely modify?

I'd parse it as "the [most [supremely awful]] day".

But I'm not sure; it may be "the [[most supremely][awful]] day".

um.

I can't think of a difference between those.