@MattE.Эллен Hey, your women's football team blowing the match against Japan is no reason to hide your face. The USA women will defend your honor.

Hi everyone

can someone help me to correct this

can someone help me to correct this

We grow up with the damage and not with the years

Is that poetry @pourjour?

We grow up with the damage; not just the years.

@skillpatrol no it's just a sentence that describe my feelings

@pourjour I see....it is true for all of us, my friend :-)

@skillpatrol yes it is :-)

@skillpatrol I believe there is no mistake in that sentence

It sounds ok to me @pourjour

What do you think of my version @pourjour?

@skillpatrol you've added the fact that we grow up with the years too when I denied that (in my version)

True @pourjour :-)

@pourjour not 'the damage' but 'damage'

Damage is a mass noun

It's a little blunt but poetic I guess

Perhaps certain specific kinds of damage cause us to grow up faster than others @Mitch hence "the" could have that meaning here.

@skillpatrol

@skillpatrol hi ; you there?

I want someone to review above!

@skillpatrol 'the damage' only if there was some damage already referred to. Otherwise, the hearer thinks 'what damage' or thinks it sounds weird.

@tchrist: TIL a peregrine falcon stoops in a logarithmic spiral. One more example of φ occurring in nature.

@Robusto Weird.

My laptop is acting weird :(

again

Can you imagine cleaning up thousands of dead birds?

Birds are dumb

Mmmm...chicken salad sandwich

Hey.

How's the heat?

Stay in the shade

Better than floods or earthquakes.

Is it at least dry? Or is it humid too?

@tchrist Yup, that's the reference, all right.

Why can't they just decide on one weather and keep it that way?

There is souch I'm just not going to bother doing today.

Another county all precincts counted

@Mitch What if they decide on the wrong one?

@Mitch Still very true.

One of the best lines written in this chat imo. Beautiful.

Wow, skull patrol posted the image that @Robusto posted above in a math chat room and it was flagged. While it was off topic and can easily be taken as too nationalistic and even offensive to some nationalities whose countries are at war with the US, people do need to learn to chill a bit.

@terdon What, the 4th July thing?

@FaheemMitha Yes.

@terdon ok

If anyone is following the collapse of Greece, this is a good piece on it: macropolis.gr/?i=portal.en.the-agora.2686#c831

@terdon How are you doing, and your family?

@FaheemMitha Nervous. Angry. Scared.

@terdon Sorry. :-(

It seems exceedingly likely that our deposits will be confiscated.

@FaheemMitha Thanks :)

The country is heading to a hell it won't manage to leave for decades, probably.

@terdon Your personal deposits?

Yup

Ours and everyone else's.

@terdon Ugh. Nasty. Super nasty.

Accomplishes the difficult task of making India look good.

Aye

And if you knew India, you would realise that is no mean feat.

If that blog post is accurate, this is a really horrendous situation.

@FaheemMitha So I hear.

@FaheemMitha Very accurate. Or, at any rate, it expresses my own position almost perfectly.

@terdon Yes, it is pretty much permanently a disaster zone over here.

Though the rich people wouldn't tell you that.

We (what there is of my family and I cope), but it is no fun. And we're the lucky ones.

Anyway, our thoughts go out to Greece.

It's been the same here for the past 5 years. Well, for the past 200 or so, really, but we had a respite for a couple of decades. Things seemed to be looking up from mid 80s till the crisis started.

@terdon There were a bunch of nasty dictators after the 2nd world war, right?

Now, we're back to being the underdeveloped country we always had been.

@FaheemMitha After the war there was a nasty civil war, and a military dictatorship in the late 60s-early 70s.

Greece was hit particularly badly by WW2 as well. My grandparents remember people starving on the streets.

There are serious fears of that occurring again.

We only have medical supplies for around 30 days, for example, and we can't import since the banks are closed and the system is frozen.

@terdon Yes, I can see that's pretty bad.

Ironical that all this is happened in a wealthy Europe at peace.

Well, mostly at peace.

And we're not self sufficient in anything at all really. We import to meet internal needs in pretty much anything you can think of.

@terdon Yes, that's true of everyone, I think. Is there anyone who is self-sufficient these days.

Yes, but we're particularly not so. We're a tiny country and have grown used to a standard of living we simply can't continue of we were to leave the euro.

The data I posted above is from 2008, since then, the internal industry has largely collapsed. It is far worse today even than that.

how is tourism now?

@terdon Sounds like the country has really really been mismanaged.

Industry collapsing is a very bad thing for any country.

@JohanLarsson Way down. People are scared to come and have been cancelling in droves.

ugh, that's not good

At least foreign credit/debit cards still work so the tourists can take money out. Greeks can only take 60€ a day.

Are there reasons to be afraid?

So we have the wonderful sight of pensioners forming queues in the sun to get 60 euros and buy their medicine.

@JohanLarsson For whom?

for tourists

I don't think so, no.

hopefully it will change then

My guess is that the few who do come will be treated like kings.

isn't tourism big in Greece?

Well, unless the bloody referendum devolves into a civil war. I hope that won't happen though, and I doubt it will.

@JohanLarsson Huge.

It is/was pretty popular in Sweden

It's the largest industry we have.

That's export value, added by sector. The "Transport services" are large because Greece has one of the largest merchant fleets in the world. Most of those, however, are registered in various tax havens and those that are in Greece have a constitutional (!) right to extremely favorable taxes.

Bastards.

what is transport services? Airway company?

I'm guessing shipping.

oh, yeah

> The Greek merchant fleet is one of the largest in the world and accounts for about 16% of the world merchant shipping trade.

British industry has also taken a big hit since the Thatcher days.

@Robusto why?

People are complaining about the heat wave, but the temperature is just fine to me

@terdon What is transport services?

Did they expand their airports, train/bus stations...?

Oh didn't see Johan's question above

EURUSD is so low..

The Eurozone certainly doesn't seem to be a very friendly place. It's a shame. One would have thought the Europeans would look out for each other a bit more.

@JohanLarsson People don't know how to discuss things reasonably.

ok I have not spent much time there

did you fight?

No. I tried to avoid fighting.

I told someone he was behaving very aggressively, at which point I was booted for a minute. When I got back in I told them I had lived my life so far without that chatroom, and I could be quite happy living the rest of it in the same manner.

no fun

they have been nice to me the few times I have asked noob questions

only been a handful of times

The argument went like this: I said I didn't see the need for CoffeeScript, at which point someone practically accused me of taking food out of his children's mouths. More like NOOOOO!!!! UR TAKING FOOD OUT OF MY KIDS MOUTH!!!

@JohanLarsson Mine wasn't a noob question.

i know

Actually I thought it was more of an icebreaker, since I expected to find people who actually like JavaScript in that chat. Imagine my surprise . . .

they seem to hate jquery from what i recall

I don't give a fuck what they love or hate. They are dead to me.

I will go on enjoying JavaScript without them.

haha

But, for the record, jQuery is a nice, convenient way to do a bunch of things easily. Not a panacea, but a useful tool. If someone hates it, it's because they're trying to be purists about JS. Not that jQuery can't be misused—it can—but its benefits outweigh its drawbacks. If you know what the drawbacks are, you can avoid them.

It's like someone gets stung by a honeybee and they want to destroy the beehive. Not a reasoned response.

@Robusto sounds pragmatic

Yup.

is jquery a big download?

as in hurting load times

No. Quite the opposite. And you don't even need to download it. Just reference the CDN.

are things like that cached in the browser?

code.jquery.com

from visting other pages that uses the same version

@JohanLarsson Yeah. The plus side is that if the user has ever referenced jquery-latest, when they come to your site the files are already cached.

@JohanLarsson ^

ok so load time is probably an anti argument against it then

that was just me guessing btw

@JohanLarsson I would phrase that as "Load time is not an argument against it."

> North Korea is a cargo cult with nuclear weapons. —Sam Harris

@Robusto I think like this: If you have to write a lot of code that does the same thing it will not be cached and you would get the load time for free using something that was cached

too hot to make sense

@JohanLarsson I'm not sure I follow.

Bit it's weird, Chrome keeps freezing on my PC. Clicking on tabs does nothing, etc.

Not just Chrome. I'll get to a point where I can't move a window with the mouse.

virus..

Seriously?

My wired mouse seems to work fine, but the wireless one is having problems.

Do you have any suspicious process running?

What does a suspicious process look like?

There are all my processes.

ok, checking them

seems ok.. obviously just a mouse problem

I said that because recently I installed a cracked version of Office, and it came with a nice virus, visible in the task manager

Hmm, file.net/process/btvstack.exe.html says malware can masquerade as BtvStack.exe. I killed that process, not sure why I should need it.

nah, it's just your bluetooth (Atheros)

Hmm.

I don't know why I'm having so many PC problems lately. I wonder if my SSD is fucking up in subtle ways.

possible, my bro had problem with his RAM also for example

How old is it?

I checked my RAM. Checked out fine.

@crl PC was built late 2012, so 2.5 years. Used top-end components, so it should be fine.

ok

High-end Gigabyte motherboard, Intel i7 ivybridge quad-core at 3.5 GHz, Samsung 512GB SSD boot drive, state-of-the-art NVidia graphics card, etc.

I have ~the same spec and age, it is dead

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti

@JohanLarsson Seriously?

bought replacements but been too lazy to start

What died, or do you know?

It started to crash hard when touching chrome tabs

Oh, also 32 GB DDR3 RAM

not even bsod

@JohanLarsson Might be a Chrome issue?

Because Chrome tabs have been unresponsive to the mouse at times for me.

@Robusto Almost identical spec, I have 680 card & Asus board

Samsung SSD drive?

Running Windows 7 64-bit, btw.

hmm, maybe it is an intel drive, dont remember, size is 512

try updating gfx drivers

they still release new ones every now and then

even if the card is old

I upgraded but have not used it much after that so dunno if it worked

pretty sure it is the graphics card or driver in my case

dunno why i feel sure about it:)

I don't know. I hate updating drivers. It always feels risky to me. Probably goes back to my experiences in the '90s.

but you have a decent risk : reward now no?

Dunno. Reward is unclear.

Seems like the reward is most likely diagnostic evidence, nothing more.

broken rig > working rig

@JohanLarsson If that were the expectation, even the promise, I'd try it. But such a reward is by no means assured.

but the risk is pretty low as it is broken now

expected reward is perhaps more correct

Mine isn't really broken. Just some strange behavioral issues.

Guess I'll get out on the bike . . .

You know what my problem might have been? I had a second mouse plugged in and it was under a pile of papers & such. I wonder if one of the buttons might have been half-triggered.

ha