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Robusto

12:38 PM

@Jez You're assuming that Japanese appropriations of Western cultural artifacts make sense in the larger context of Western culture. They don't. ナイトオブラウンズ (Naito Obu Raundzu or "Knight of Rounds") is just one more example of them not bearing any reasonable fidelity to the original.

Jez

@Robusto yes but that doesnt really explain why they drop "table"

Robusto

This is not necessarily a bad thing. They see something they like and use it the way they see fit. That is not at all different from how we use their cultural artifacts and legends. Take the ninja, for example. We focus on all of the fabulist notions regarding these, and whenever we show the ninja in Western art we take the wildest possible interpretation of what is already a mythic stereotype.

@Jez I would suppose they drop it because otherwise it is too many syllables to say comfortably. Why do they take "word processor" and morph it into waapuro?

Jez

you tell me

Robusto

I just did.

Jez

do we drop words off their phrases?

Robusto

12:44 PM

Sure. Take shogun for example.

Jez

meaning "general"

Robusto

Yes. 征夷大将軍 gets truncated to 将軍 whenever we say it.

Jez

is there any difference in meaning?

Robusto

The first is pronounced せいいたいしょうぐん (sei i tai shougun).

Jez

do the japanese ever just say shogun?

Robusto

12:46 PM

@Jez Only in the sense that one is an abbreviated form. Like we say POTUS for President of the United States. Or just "the President."

@Jez Sure. But the point is, we never say the longer version, and usually aren't even aware that it exists.

Jez

i just find it interesting that in 2 separate cases "knights of the round table" was shortened in the same way

then translated back into English with the "table" lost

Robusto

There may be a more specific reason. I gave my answer without any specific knowledge of the case at hand, but I believe the general principle of what I told you is accurate.

Jez

ok

Robusto

@Jez If I had to guess further, I might say that "table" would be a come-down from the somewhat lofty notion of something round (or extraneous baggage in the concept). The concept of roundness in Japanese culture is closely related to harmony. So to then reduce the notion to furniture might seem somehow making it inferior.

It should be noted that harmony is a really, really important cultural signifier.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Well, hey.

Robusto

12:52 PM

Hey.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Hey, hey, what can I do?

I got a woman, and she won't be true.

Robusto

Baby's in black and I'm feeling blue?

Jez

@Robusto except that the table was quite physically real in the legend

Robusto

Baby's in Black -Beatles For Sale

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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I wonder why the OED doesn't recognize fantod.

Robusto

12:54 PM

Dunno. Americanism, perhaps?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Prolly.

Robusto

@Jez In our legend. Was it present in the Japanese version?

Jez

presumably, because their version is our version

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Did you look under fantods?

@Jez Well, but is it? It doesn't sound like it's a 1:1 correspondence.

Jez

the arcade game is roughly based on England Arthurian legend

*English

have they prevented editing of previous messages in chat?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

12:56 PM

Hum. It's there now.

Fantod, that is.

My mother's tsking sounds give me the fantods.

Robusto

@Jez The key word there is roughly.

Jez

they seem to have prevented editing or deleting of previous messages in chat. that sucks.

Robusto

They do after a few minutes.

Jez

nope, i'm getting it immediately now

@Robusto youtube.com/watch?v=Sz07wNL1plU

for game titles like that, where they transcribe the English into Japanese, how do they know the transcription is of an English word? Do they just assume English?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

So, I just had 8:05 in my head. And it's 8:05.

Robusto

1:07 PM

@Jez Seiken Densetsu means something like Secret of the Sword.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Funny how that works.

Jez

@Robusto i meant the titles of the game tracks

ホェア・エンジェル・フェア・トゥ・トレイド

Robusto

Moby Grape - 8:05

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Good song.

@Jez I don't even want to speculate about what Japanese transliterations mean. They're all daffy.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto Thank you.

You're a good provider.

Robusto

Happy to oblige.

Jez

@Robusto Google Translate seems to translate them to the correct english words

I spose it's a bit like "Seiken Densetsu"

Robusto

1:10 PM

Something Angel Fair to Toledo?

Jez

"Where Angels Fear to Tread"

Robusto

Hahaha.

Yeah, that's katakana for you.

Jez

why are they daffy

Robusto

Daffy to me. They are very gross approximations of the sounds you hear in English.

Like taking a symphony and reducing it to 4-bit encoding.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oh, FFS. We have a 9' moving van for six hours tomorrow. Rain chance has been upgraded to 100% and heavy.

Robusto

1:13 PM

Of course.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

It used to be 70%.

I was okay with that.

Jez

@Robusto it's interesting they have to end everything with a vowel

Robusto

@Jez Hoeaenjerufaeahtotorehdo is how it's supposed to sound.

Jez

heh

Robusto

@Jez Mostly, yes. Sometimes the final vowel gets truncated, but it's never completely lost. It's because they don't have consonants and vowels the way we do. They have syllables, and all but a few of the syllables have what are to us a consonant and a vowel together: consonant first, vowel second.

a   i   u   e   o
ka ki ku ke ko
sa shi su se so
ta chi tsu teh to
na ni nu ne no
ha hi fu he ho
ma mi mu me mo
ya     yu     yo
wa         (w)o
n

n is the (to us) consonant that can end a word.

Jez

1:17 PM

interesting

so would they find it hard to pronounce a word ending in a consonant or just not have a way to write it?

Robusto

They find it very hard to pronounce languages that merge sounds. Japanese is isochronous, meaning all syllables must have more or less the same length in time.

So the 4-bit encoding analogy is apt.

Nov 11 '12 at 14:00, by Robusto

Compare 地図　(ちあう) meaning map, and チーズ, a gairaigo meaning "cheese": a Western ear would hear them both as "chizu" but the latter is pronounced with three syllables: chi-i-zu.

Jez

they borrowed the word "cheese" it seems

Robusto

They borrow English words wholesale.

But these get converted to something that befits their aural understanding better.

Hence word processor -> waapuro

tchrist

@Robusto All speakers do this in all languages. It’s part of having “a bad accent” (from the perspective of the donor language).

Robusto

1:35 PM

@tchrist It's just more noticeable, usually, in Western -> Japanese conversions.

@tchrist Speaking of Spanish, what does pará mean as a protest by a woman to a man who is pushing sexual advances on her? I mean, I get the gist, but does it have some special meaning? I couldn't find it in the translator.

tchrist

@Robusto It’s a kind of colloquial emphatic eye dialect. Or it’s Argentine.

It’s a 2nd person imperative, from parar to leave-off, to stop. Normally that’s tú para, usted pare but this looks like vos pará derived from vosotros parad.

You sometimes hear stressed people use it who aren’t using voseo, though.

Lemme aLONE damn it.

The stress falls at the end in a sort of emphasis.

Robusto

@tchrist Argentine film.

tchrist

Similarly with things like chupamelá.

@Robusto Then it’s a vos imperative.

Robusto

Yeah, they definitely use vos a lot.

tchrist

Completely.

Robusto

1:42 PM

So talk to me about vos and where it fits. Do you drop tu or usted when using vos?

tchrist

Most US learners of Spanish are not taught either vos or vosotros forms, but there are large concentrations of native speakers who use one or the other of those, so this is a problem.

@Robusto This depends upon the country, actually.

Robusto

Heh, it couldn't be simple, of course.

tchrist

Voseo

Voseo (Spanish pronunciation: [boˈse.o]) is the use of vos as a second person singular pronoun, including its conjugational verb forms in many dialects of Spanish. In dialects that have it, it is used either instead of tú, or alongside it. Use of "tú" is known as "tuteo". Vos is used extensively as the primary form of the second person singular in River Plate Spanish (Argentina, Uruguay, eastern Bolivia), and Paraguayan Spanish. The Central American Spanish (El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, southern parts of Chiapas in Mexico) also exhibits an extensive use of vos, though...

I’ve never in my life heard of River Plate Spanish. It’s just rioplantense dialects.

From the río Plata.

Robusto

Geezis.

tchrist

Yes, it’s a complete mess.

I suspect this is why it is not taught.

But there is no excuse for not teaching vosotros forms other than the fear of crossing the oceans most Americans harbor.

Robusto

1:45 PM

I suppose native speakers understand and convert tuteo/voseo automatically, yeah?

tchrist

Not knowing them interferes with your ability to read literature, too.

@Robusto Yes.

You just have to hear another speaker who isn’t your flavor for a few sentences — or less — to get what they’re doing.

Robusto

@tchrist Yeah. I think when I get further along with tuteo I'll take a month off to do nothing but try to get voseo imprinted in my mind. Spanish film seems to use it as well.

tchrist

And then your brain processes it the other way.

Spanish films don’t use voseo. They simply use standard vosotros forms, which is something else. It’s 2nd plural, not 2nd singular.

Robusto

Fuck.

Jez

@tchrist I thought Plata was "silver"

Robusto

1:48 PM

I have to keep reminding myself that I have only been at this a few months.

Four, to be precise.

tchrist

Vosotros is ubiquitous in Spain. Now, it is possible to use vos in Spain, but it is like us using thou. It is used rarely and reverentially, and not uncommonly with irony, as towards a prince or pope.

@Jez Exactly right.

Robusto

And I do find that bit by bit aural Spanish is starting to make sense to me (i.e., to comprehend it without translating in my mind).

tchrist

But the reverential vos takes vosotros verbs and pronominal agreement. The rioplatense vos takes different verbs and pronouns.

@Robusto Where are you off to?

Robusto

@tchrist Cómo?

tchrist

You’re going to some hispanohablante place in four months. New York City?

Jez

1:51 PM

what's the Spanish for "fuck"? you need that in NY

Robusto

@tchrist No, I said I've only been at this for four months.

tchrist

Oh.

Robusto

I would like to go to some hispanohablante place eventually, but not before I feel somewhat confident I can do more than order off a menu and send cold food back.

tchrist

> In the following countries, the use of vos has disappeared completely or survives only very marginally in daily speech or not used at all.

Spain
Dominican Republic
Puerto Rico and the United States
Cuba (The use of the pronoun is vanishing and is now only heard of on the Eastern side of the country.)
Philippines

terdon

@Robusto Just don't try that with Gazpacho :P

tchrist

1:53 PM

It’s also gone from Mexico.

Robusto

We had guests last week and the woman spoke Spanish, and when she asked me how mine was coming I froze. I knew what I wanted to say but I thought of it in English first and had to haltingly try to convert that into Spanish. Only more conversational practice—a lot more—will help that.

tchrist

Except for a few speakers at the very southward edge of Mexico, and is not written.

Jez

> coger: take, catch, get, pick, pick up, fuck

tchrist

Damn, I so wish I could find a beautiful quote I kinda know about that.

Jez

lol the Spanish have a word that means "take" and "fuck"

tchrist

1:54 PM

@Jez No. That’s the Mexicans. The Spanish use joder.

Robusto

@tchrist This Argentine film I was watching had coger in it.

tchrist

This is a constant source of humor.

@Robusto Yes, but which sense?

Voy a cogerme un bus is a normal statement in some places, a bizarre one in others.

Robusto

@tchrist Not that discerning yet, sorry.

tchrist

@Robusto Were they swearing or talking about grabbing something?

Robusto

imdb.com/title/tt2342233

@tchrist It was lover chat. The whole movie, in fact. So hard to tell.

tchrist

1:57 PM

Cuando me coges, siempre me siento más segura could go both ways. :)

Jez

@Robusto is your SPanish better than your French?

tchrist

By the way, the 1st person singular for cojer is also the adjective (and noun) meaning lame.

Robusto

@Jez It is now.

terdon

@Robusto If it was an Argentinian film, coger meant fuck.

tchrist

Ser cojo is to be a lame person who goes halt.

@terdon *coger

terdon

1:59 PM

lame as in having a bad leg

@tchrist Ugh, of course.

tchrist

But coj- if the conjugation has an -a or -o.

Jez

@Robusto what's the ranking of your proficiency in your top 5 languages?

tchrist

@terdon Yes. What other lame is there? :)

@Jez These are rather hard questions, you understand.

terdon

The mp3 encoder for example :)

Robusto

@Jez English, German, Japanese, and Spanish and French take up a distant fourth and fifth.

tchrist

2:01 PM

Yes, the first three don’t play so well together as the other lattermost pair do.

Jez

@Robusto interesting. i've always found there much more similarity between French and English vocab than German and English, making French easier to pick up

Robusto

Spanish may move up in the rankings soon, but probably mostly because I am so rapidly forgetting Japanese due to disuse.

tchrist

Los cojones de un cojo.

Robusto

@Jez I can read Le Figaro right now, but I couldn't talk about it in French.

tchrist

@Jez Your point is an interesting one. For vocab yes, although for grammar no.

Robusto

2:04 PM

@tchrist: Does bueno ever mean just "OK" and not "good"? This one character tells another he is enamored of her, and she replies: "Bueno, yo no." Which I presume meant something like "OK, but I'm not [enamored of you in turn]."

tchrist

@Robusto Absolutely.

Robusto

Or maybe it's more like fine. "Fine, but I'm not."

tchrist

Or right.

Just filler.

Robusto

Yeah.

Jez

what is it about the French that makes them create fucking awful news sites? lemonde.fr and lefigaro.fr are both travesties. the latter literally just crashed my browser.

Robusto

2:10 PM

Feb 7 '11 at 15:29, by Robusto

In heaven, the cooks are French, the engineers are German, and the police are English. In hell, the cooks are English, the engineers are French, and the police are German.

Jez

we cook fine.

Robusto

You cook meat pies fine. The rest of the menu seems to be fobbed off on Italians and other foreigners.

terdon

You boil fine. There's a difference.

Jez

roast dinner? fish and chips?

Robusto

You call that cooking?

Fish and chips?

Any fool can deep-fry everything.

Jez

2:13 PM

it's the outcome that matters, not the complexity of cooking

terdon

@Robusto But it takes genius to deep fry a mars bar.

Robusto

Yeah, but wouldn't you really rather have French cooking? I know I would.

tchrist

@terdon Only in Spain. :) (This is a lame Mexican joke: they don’t have cocer and cocinar as different things, suppressing cocer and using cocinar in all places because they can’t tell cocer from coser. But yeah, hervir.)

terdon

@Robusto Or pretty much anything else.

Jez

@Robusto hell no. we have a huge diversity of foods here and when i went to Paris for instance their Indian restaurant was rather crap

terdon

2:15 PM

@tchrist Really? The rest of the sesseando crowd don't do that AFAIK.

Robusto

@Jez Well, duh. Try a French restaurant in Paris.

terdon

@Jez Serves you right for going to an Indian restaurant in Paris.

Jez

what i do like about the French is their bread, wine, and preserves. the rest of their food is shit.

Robusto

@Jez But like I say, you fob off your variety on Italians and other foreigners (including Pakis and Indians).

terdon

Admittedly, the Indian restaurants in the UK do offer quite decent food. That, however, does not qualify as English.

Jez

2:15 PM

@Robusto i wouldnt want a french restaurant because their cuisine is horrible

tchrist

@terdon In my experience, I have seen only cocinar in Mexican Spanish (well, cosinar as it were. :).

Robusto

@Jez OK, I can see we don't see eye to eye on food.

The best food I've ever had has been French, Japanese, or Italian.

terdon

Agreed. Though I would also add Portuguese and Greek.

Jez

@Robusto and what food was the french?

tchrist

@Jez I went to Rio de Janeiro and their German restaurant was crap.

terdon

2:17 PM

@tchrist Ergo, Brazilian food is shit.

tchrist

Claro.

You can eat well in London.

terdon

Can't beat the Argentinians/Uruguayans/Brazilians on meat. The French come close, but not quite.

Jez

what do we have in our pubs and restaurants? properly cooked steaks, chips, crisp vegetables and/or salads, and cider

tchrist

But do not expect service unless you are paying £250 a chair.

terdon

@tchrist Damn straight! You just need to avoid the English restaurants.

Jez

2:18 PM

the French have wine, frogs' legs, snails, and small portions

horrid.

terdon

Granted, pub meals are often quite decent in their way.

tchrist

@terdon Modulo the £250 buy in, that’s correct.

Jez

and when they eat steaks, they don't cook them

in fact they rarely cook anything

terdon

The British have haggish, shepherd's pie and yorkshire pudding. I rest my case.

@Jez You really have no idea what you're on about.

tchrist

If you pay £300 per person, even English food is well prepared and diligently and pleasantly served. The contrapositive is also true.

Jez

2:19 PM

haggis is scottish. they're insane

shepherd's pie and yorkshire pudding is lovely

tchrist

Haggis is not Scottish. It’s English. This is a myth.

Jez

well it's scottish now

terdon

@Jez Must be like Cricket. You need to have been raised in it to understand its allure.

Jez

nah i don't like cricket

tchrist

@terdon NIHIL NOVI SUB SOLE

terdon

2:20 PM

I can't stand yorkshire pudding.

Robusto

@Jez Many things. Anything. Chicken, beef, whatever. Anything with a sauce.

Jez

@terdon i wouldn't say it has enough of a distinct taste to take a strong liking or disliking to it, really. it's pretty much a form of bread

terdon

@tchrist lol

Robusto

@terdon I don't mind it.

tchrist

@terdon Only swine raised in it appreciate its ordure; the rest of us crops need raising in it to appreciate its allure. :)

Jez

2:22 PM

not like seafood. i can't stand the salty revoltingness. paella is truly disgusting. throw it back in the sea.

terdon

@tchrist Bah, in the culture! :)

Robusto

@tchrist I've never enjoyed German cooking. Period. About the closest I come is sauerbraten, which is tolerable. Of course, baking is another matter. German bread and pastries are quite fine.

terdon

What's that disgusting Yorkshire stuff that looks like some kind of pie drowned in semen or custard or some such?

tchrist

@Robusto Yup. But I was always a Schwein-abstainer in Germany, which meant I couldn’t even eat their vegetables.

Jez

@terdon spotted dick?

Robusto

2:23 PM

Even the name sounds horrible.

tchrist

@terdon Ça s’appèle crème Anglaise. :)

terdon

@Jez Nah, savory, not sweet.

@tchrist Probably from the seamen.

Jez

i don't like raisins in my pudding. Sticky toffee pudding, treacle tart.

with some ice cream or something

terdon

Ah, sweets, the English can do. I'll grant you that.

tchrist

Marinara.

Robusto

2:24 PM

Oct 16 '12 at 12:58, by Robusto

Why do they call camels the "ships of the desert"? Because they're full of Arab seamen.

Jez

kicks the crap out of some gateau

terdon

@Robusto *semen

tchrist

It’s all crap compared with the joys of Vienna.

Robusto

@terdon You can't render the joke properly in writing. But that's the import, yeah.

terdon

@Jez No, wouldn't go that far. The French have brilliant sweets, but yes, the English also have nice ones.

tchrist

2:25 PM

@terdon Trifling few.

To name one. :)

Jez

and the French can't do tea. they just can't. they're aware of its existence, but only in a vague way.

terdon

heh. They have lots, actually.

Jez

on the other hand, we can do tea and coffee just fine

terdon

@Jez Yes, but that's like saying that the English can't do sake. Why would they?

@Jez No. You do great tea, crappy coffee. As do the French.

Well, crappy coffee anyway, not great tea.

Robusto

French have great coffee.

Jez

2:27 PM

the french do great tea?

tchrist

@terdon You would think the Nizzards could get coffee right.

Jez

literally every time i ordered tea, they failed to give me milk with it. when i asked them for milk they looked confused.

terdon

Having spent 4 years living in each country and being from neither and, therefore, impartial, French cooking wins hand down though.

Robusto

Nov 2 '14 at 12:30, by Robusto

Or breakfast at a middling hotel, where they bring you baskets of fresh, flaky croissants and brioche with fresh creamery butter, with pot after pot of excellent coffee and thick cream . . .

terdon

@tchrist Well, they do have a form of espresso but...

Robusto

2:28 PM

When people say continental breakfast they really mean a French breakfast, and it's not anything like what they serve at your typical American hotel.

terdon

@Robusto With you all the way to the coffee bit. Best coffee in Europe is Italian, then Portuguese and Spanish as a distant third. Of the countries I've visited anyway.

Jez

@Robusto the Danes win hands down on pastries

terdon

American coffee, in my admittedly limited experience, is like brown water.

Jez

@Robusto hah. have you ever tried a petit dejuner anglais?

it's bread with an egg.

Robusto

@terdon Hmm, I haven't been to Spain, but I have always had great coffee in France. Even in the south of France it's been excellent.

tchrist

2:29 PM

@terdon Iowa, Kansas. Even Chicago. But you can do better.

terdon

I remember being in a conference once and trying to figure out which of the two unmarked thermoses contained coffee. Poured a little from one, it looked like tea. Tried the other, same color. One of them was cofee though.

Robusto

@Jez I do like an English country breakfast, though. That seems to be done right, if a bit on the greasy side.

terdon

@Robusto Have you been to Italy?

I like my coffee strong. The French don't get that right.

tchrist

@Robusto It’s the south of France where one expects the better coffee. And Spanish coffee in invariably beautiful, because un café always means un café espreso.

Robusto

@terdon True if you go west and stay away from major cities. Not true elsewhere.

terdon

2:30 PM

@Robusto This was in Madison Wisconsin.

I rest my case.

:)

@terdon Well, duh.

espresso just tastes really bitter. no idea why people like it.

terdon

Well, I'm thinking of moving to New York soon so I guess I'll find out.

tchrist

2:31 PM

@terdon I lived in Madison for five years. They can’t do coffee.

terdon

@Jez That's what sugar is for!

tchrist

But I didn’t understand that until I moved back from Madrid.

Jez

i can just about understand why people would like coffee if they pile cream and sugar in there to get rid of its nasty taste. personally i'll take tea.

Robusto

If you go to Wyoming, say, or western Colorado, you find something they call coffee that I doubt has seen a genuine bean.

tchrist

Actually, a Spanish café is more of a ristretto than it is an espresso.

terdon

2:32 PM

Yes, though I miss the cortado.

tchrist

@Robusto Yes but it will get you laughed at in Boulder.

@terdon That’s normally what I would take in the morning.

Robusto

@tchrist Boulder is the Brooklyn of the West.

tchrist

Funny, it doesn’t seem Jewish.

Jez

the other thing we have is english variants of foreign dishes that are nice. egg fried rice. chicken tikka masala.

terdon

@tchrist Same here. But two of them. Or more.

tchrist

2:34 PM

Un cortado doble, por favor. (más tarde) Otro igual, pero con aguardiente esta vez.

Robusto

@Jez But that's not really English cooking. English cooking is boiled beef and carrots. That sort of thing.

terdon

@Jez You're fighting a losing battle. English cooking is proverbial for being bad. 4 years spent there did nothing to disavow me of that prejudice. It simply served to convert prejudice to unbiased opinion.

@tchrist The Italians call that arreglado :)

Jez

@terdon your opinion is wrong.

tchrist

@terdon muito abrigado :)

@terdon Yes of course.

Robusto

@Jez How can an opinion be wrong?

terdon

2:35 PM

@Jez You must realize that is a nonsensical statement, right? How can an opinion be right or wrong? It's an opinion!

jinx!

Jez

coz i say so

Robusto

tchrist

Pro-business opinions tend to be right, pro-publica opinions tend to be left.

Jez

2:58 PM

what's "ugly milk" in French? :-)

terdon

Lait moche.

Jez

nope that's not the best translation

terdon

Might need some accents around there somewhere.

terdon

3:11 PM

@Jez Umm. OK.

crl

4:08 PM

lait laid

Jez

yep

crl

beau baud

tôt taux (early rate)

Jez

Toto

early rate the dog

crl

vert ver (green worm) or vert verre (green glass)

homonyms...

Jez

4:36 PM

led lead

that gets double points for confusingness

crl

4:51 PM

Are there some acronyms that can be written with lower case?

laser

Mitch

6:09 PM

@crl scuba

@Robusto 'creamery'. That's not a word! Or rather a made up word by advertisers. adds to internet censorship list

@Jez In Hong Kong, I hear that they serve a drink that is ... mixed coffee and tea.

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@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 ^

Mitch

@TRiG Sorry for my previous flippant remark. I had heard about the vote yesterday (in the US news) but didn't connect.

tchrist

6:33 PM

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Q: '0 result' vs '0 results'

I am developing a search control, where user types in and it returns search results. When I get no matching result what message would be correct in that case? a) 0 result b) 0 results