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12:01 AM
Never seen it before
Liked it
Or maybe it is just that I dislike "this" style for some reason.
Reminds me about air quotes.
 
Heh.
 
*reminds me of
 
12:21 AM
@Cerb Do you know the Hosta genus? It’s a common outdoor plant in the Liliaceae family.
I ask because of the hasta comment to Lawler. :)
Well, I thought it was in the lily family.
> The genus is currently placed in the family Asparagaceae, subfamily Agavoideae, and is native to northeast Asia (China, Japan, Korea, and the Russian Far East). Like many "lilioid monocots", the genus was once classified in the Liliaceae.
Blah.
Can’t keep track of the players without a score card.
Hosta (/ˈhɒstə/, syn. Funkia) is a genus of plants commonly known as hostas, plantain lilies (particularly in Britain) and occasionally by the Japanese name giboshi. Hostas are widely cultivated as shade-tolerant foliage plants. The genus is currently placed in the family Asparagaceae, subfamily Agavoideae, and is native to northeast Asia (China, Japan, Korea, and the Russian Far East). Like many "lilioid monocots", the genus was once classified in the Liliaceae. The name Hosta is in honor of the Austrian botanist Nicholas Thomas Host. The rejected generic name Funkia, also used as a common name...
Glad they didn’t pick the funky genus.
 
@tchrist Yes.
My mother's favourite part of the garden when I was a little boy was the border where she had her hostae.
Guess what I did...
 
I shudder to imagine.
The Dutchish page is much shorterish.
I hope you are going to tell me you dutifully weeded those beds.
 
When my mother was nearby, I let myself fall backwards into the hostae with my entire little body, laughing and looking at her.
 
shudders
 
All I knew was that it wasn't allowed, so the attraction became irristible.
 
12:27 AM
I’m the opposite type, you realize.
 
I was 5 or so.
 
user116848
What's a hostae?
 
Near that same age, I also draw large purple shapes on the white plastered walls with a crayon.
 
@Farooq What are hostae? or What is a hosta?
 
12:28 AM
And with a permanent marker on all volumes of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, across the entire shelf. They were bound in white leather.
 
@Cerberus Have you brethren?
 
One.
 
Your elder, I presume.
 
But I soon grew out of that phase and became a good boy.
Younger.
Why?
 
user116848
@tchrist Oh, I see. I looked it up.
 
12:29 AM
Je suis l'aîné.
 
Odd. The eldest child in a close set is usually the best behaved and highest achieving.
 
user116848
I was searching the plural form.
 
Well, I usually was just that.
But many children have a difficult phase.
 
thinks
 
Perhaps it was because I wanted my attention back that my brother had recently stolen from me by being born.
 
12:30 AM
Oh, five-year delta?
 
Three and a half.
But it probably took some time to get over.
Whither go your patterns now?
 
I don’t believe I was ever a difficult child towards adults, let alone my parents — and that I was ever such to my “peers”.
But I shall enquire.
Those are opponent senses of ever. Or something like that.
I am now often difficult towards everyone except the very young and the very old.
By which I mean anyone older than myself.
 
Anyone older than myself is old. Any one younger... Holy shit they allow them to vote?
 
It’s not the voting part that bothers me.
It’s the driving part.
 
@tchrist How so?
 
12:41 AM
@Cerberus The first one would be jamais, the second toujours.
 
Are you sure your sentence is structured correctly, then?
 
Of course not.
I afterthunk it.
 
> I don't believe that...and I don't believe that I was ever difficult to my peers.
 
Yes, I know.
> I believe that I was never
 
Where does that go?
 
12:43 AM
I believe I was never a difficult child towards adults, let alone my parents — and that I was ever such to my “peers”.
 
Better.
 
That’s why I mentioned it. I switched directions midcourse.
 
I half suspected something like that, but the problem is that the sentence would still work if we supposed you hadn't switched—but it would have the wrong meaning.
 
Quite.
 
Fowler would say, quite so.
 
12:46 AM
So?
 
QED.
Oops, someone might catch us actually discussing English. Quick, change the subject.
 
user116848
I'll change it :-)
 
user116848
So I used to talk very freely here. These days I can't seem to do it.
 
user116848
I don't know why?
 
user116848
12:50 AM
Funny!
 
@Farooq Tala är silver. Tiga är guld.
 
user116848
Oh, nice saying!
 
Speech is silver, silence is golden.
Googled it, looks like it exists in English.
 
user116848
Yeah, I know. I Google translated it :-)
 
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Oops, someone might catch us actually discussing English. Quick, change the subject. [french] [fruits] [hostae] [nuts]
 
12:53 AM
How long will the title survive?
 
Till somebody wants to change the subject again.
 
yes double half that time.
 
Better.
 
@tchrist did you read the article?
 
@JohanLarsson Funny.
Is it Dutch?
The site is Dutch.
 
1:01 AM
dunno
 
@JohanLarsson I was attending to matters janitorial.
 
does it mean that he read it?
 
I see no article.
 
37 mins ago, by Johan Larsson
@tchrist https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/xwp-vs-jap/
 
No, I was finishing up a commit.
I shall endeavour to do so now.
 
1:06 AM
you go extra fancy when addressing me right?
 
You I treat little differently than any other.
@JohanLarsson Depressingly accurate.
 
Yeah. I thought you would agree with it.
Probably decent advice in the end also.
 
$job[-2] was a Java-invested hellhole full of bad code.
$job[-1] was full of utter subcontinental idiots who should not have been allowed to program, plus a few local competent people.
$job[0] has no one who is not a star programmer. It is humbling.
 
Subcontinental idiots?
Sounds a bit extreme, lol.
 
1:19 AM
Hindi.
They were idiots from the subcontinent who should not have been allowed to program.
They were paid like a tenth to a fifteenth what we were paid.
But they cost us a great deal of time and money.
I am not being racist. It was policy to pay only in the bottom quartile. I know plenty of good people from there. We were not allowed to hire them, because we could not offer them the pay rates they would have demanded.
 
It's the company's fault for hiring them then.
 
That is correct.
Upper management became addicted to the negligible pay rates.
They didn't understand what a horrible position those idiots kept putting those of us who weren't idiots in.
 
Well, upper management are usually idiots.
 
Not where I work now.
 
There are idiots all over the world, but especially in Antarctica.
In Antarctica, it is easy for idiots to get high qualifications, so they think they are very smart.
 
1:24 AM
It’s not reasonable to say that X is idiotic because idiots are associated with it. Idiots are associated with everything.
 
People are idiots
 
Yes, like Mitch.
 
Hey!
 
unlike Mitch
 
No U!
Wait... What are we talking about?
 
user116848
1:29 AM
It is early morning here and I am still awake. Just lurking.
 
Just want me hope or at the way other end?
 
I am very sad. I wonder when I will be well.
 
@johan I read 'unlike' as a verb
 
user116848
@ABeautifulMind Get well. Okay, I am not helping by saying that.
 
user116848
j/k
 
user116848
1:33 AM
A little bit of blogging here in chat about our daily lives seems like a good idea.
 
I hope there will be some miracles in my life soon.
 
@Mitch I meant it in the best way.
 
user116848
Urban dictionary has a funny definition for "j/k":
 
user116848
> Just kidding. Used at the end of a sentence to make it completely void, therefore contributing nothing to the conversation and wasting everyone's time.
 
Haha I get it now
Jk
 
1:38 AM
When someone says just kidding, you can be assured that they were doing nothing of the sort.
 
I am very sad. I think I will go to bed soon.
 
Go to bed at the same time every day. Get ~8h sleep each night.
 
user116848
@ABeautifulMind Rest well!
 
I usually talk to myself for about 10 minutes before sleeping.
 
Tchrist, exactly.
Like "I am. It a crook"
 
1:39 AM
@tchrist For me now, it is still intermittent.
 
user116848
I sometimes talk in the mirror.
 
Or "some of my best friends are...."
Wait...what if i am one of those best friends.
Does it talk back?
 
user116848
No, it doesn't apparently.
 
Too bad Kit is not here. She always says something nice to me, to make me feel better.
 
user116848
Some people say talking in the mirror increases charisma. It looks weird.
 
1:41 AM
You should just talk, no need for the mirror.
 
user116848
And if someone catches you they think you are nuts :-)
 
1:53 AM
 
@tchrist Google?
 
 
2 hours later…
 
3 hours later…
7:11 AM
Hi
 
 
5 hours later…
1:05 PM
Chrome Version 40.0.2214.93 m
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Internet Explorer Version 11.0.9600.17501
The surprising winner of the SunSpider challenge.
I mean, by far.
Ah, here's a better result for Chrome:
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I turned off AdBlock Plus. Seems it was interfering with the JavaScript somehow.
Still, IE is looking ~2x faster than Chrome or Firefox.
 
inorite
 
1:21 PM
Interesting.
 
Nice mix of humor & truth in that one.
 
Hehe, my stars have been removed again.
 
what was it?
 
Just some things that only I would star, so the norm is to remove these after one day, since they only get one star.
 
do you have a coping strategy?
 
1:24 PM
For what?
 
For when stars are removed. :)
 
I have no problems with it. It's not an issue.
I just thought I would mention it because it happened again. And I like to mention trivia all the time.
 
Chat is a good fit for trivia.
 
@JohanLarsson If you talk about my coping strategies for my mental problems, I do have them, but still, they are overwhelming, which is why I am still so sick.
 
I just meant the stars.
 
1:27 PM
That requires no coping at all.
@JohanLarsson I see you use American spelling.
 
i can't tell them apart but I would prefer BrE.
but i don't spel much.
 
Humour vs humor.
 
However, it's always humorous.
There is no humourus.
 
good thing Chrome has a spellchecker
 
1:32 PM
I turn off all spellchecks. Always check a good dictionary. Stay away from Wiktionary too.
 
Don't worry pal, I will say a lot more encouraging things for you to star :-)
 
@infinitesimal I hope that when the time comes, I will be able to open all those doors.
@Robusto The title is depressing.
 
The refrain is more buoyant.
Light a candle up to kingdom come
Make a welcome for the chosen one
 
There are actually a number of depressed folks in the math room as well.
But I would say I am the most pathetic of them all.
 
1:37 PM
why "pathetic"?
 
At least they are able to function in daily life.
 
Be thankful for what you have.
 
@ABeautifulMind That doesn't make you pathetic. It just means that you have harder problems to solve. I can function in daily life too but that's only because I don't need to wrestle with the kinds of issues you have. Nothing pathetic about you, quite the contrary, You are fighting a hard battle and that is something to be proud of.
2
 
If you stop being so meta maybe you could get on with the business of getting better.
 
@Robusto Now I need to look up meta and nob.
 
1:40 PM
"Nob" was a typo. Stray characters.
 
You never know, there are all kinds of strange short words.
Well, actually I think I do know the meaning of meta, and I think I roughly know what you mean.
 
@ABeautiful I starred Robs message. Think of it like this: Everyone has issues, the level just varies between persons and over time.
Focus on upping the level a little all the time.
 
Recently my ears are popping and I feel like vomiting again.
 
@ABeautifulMind Meta means talking about the problem rather than finding a solution.
 
Too much anxiety.
@Robusto Yes, that's roughly how I read it.
 
1:44 PM
Computer restart. brb.
 
Like I said @ABeautifulMind there are people in a lot worse condition than any of us here.
 
Anti-pragmatism is a synonym then.
 
@infinitesimal Yes, though that actually doesn't help to know sometimes. =)
 
Leave that to managers imo.
 
@ABeautifulMind it will help if you think about it a lot.
 
1:47 PM
@infinitesimal OK.
 
I mean think deeply about it in your own personal way.
 
Rule #1: Don’t let yourself get trapped somewhere you can’t get out of.
Rule #2: Don’t look into the mirror.
Rule #3: Don’t stare at your hand.
 
@tchrist Is this a horror movie?
 
Only if you forget the rules.
 
That was totally random.
 
1:53 PM
No, it was en pointe.
 
Oh, I think I get it now.
 
Although I reckon that now only @Robusto remembers the situation for which those rules were first devised, they have more general applicability than that one alone. In particular, they apply to you, Jasper.
 
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Every day, in every way, we strive to be a little less meta (no tags)
 
Everything in this chat can be read so many ways.
 
1:56 PM
Starting with Ken Kesey.
 
Just because something can be read a certain way doesn't mean it is that way.
 
Rule 1 should be: Don't stand near the window.
 
Are you looking for sympathy @ABeautifulMind honestly?
 
@ABeautifulMind When I find ambiguity like that I usually read it the best way.
 
@ABeautifulMind No, that conflicts with Rule 1.
 
1:57 PM
@infinitesimal Me? No. I just like to talk. I think I just want to express my pain.
 
The naked light bulb in the room shines out this message: life is a do-it-yourself kit. You can get help with it, but unless you take responsibility for it and drive it yourself you will never get anywhere.
 
@ABeautifulMind Facta, non verba.
 
How about empathy? @ABeautifulMind
 
@ABeautifulMind Can we make a deal? Every time you express pain you match it with something that you have done or will do to make it a little better?
 
Probably only ECT will now help.
 
2:00 PM
Shit...I'm staring at my hand.
 
@Mitch You were warned.
 
Whew...you'll be glad to know I can type with my other
 
Where ECT = Extended Cognitive Therapy, not Electro-Convulsive Therapy!
 
@JohanLarsson I do do things to make myself better every day. I just don't write everything I do in this chat. Actually, maybe I should not talk about my problems in this chat, because only one or two people in this chat understand me. So yeah, maybe I should not express my pain in this chat anymore.
 
2:02 PM
@Mitch Or do other, er, things with it.
 
@Mitch Are you sure the other one is yours?
 
But while not liking at the keyboard, accuracy goes down
 
Scales help.
 
Scales and arpeggios.
 
@ABeautifulMind i did not mean it aggressive like that. Just that I would be interested in hearing about strategies for progress.
 
2:03 PM
@JohanLarsson OK. I don't mean you are aggressive, don't worry.
 
Good point @JohanLarsson
 
Scales and fins
 
There is also a risk in getting addicted to sympathy I think. Come here for a fix of warm & fuzzy.
 
Come here for a fix of what the fuck
 
But I'm not a doctor.
GF is a pro though.
 
2:05 PM
Then you become drama queen :D
 
OK, I think I won't talk about my problems in this chat anymore. I will try to remember that.
 
Jasper, the reason I suggested ECT is because it seems that your own worst enemy is your very own cognitive patterns, and therefore you must be led on up out from those overly well-worn tracks deep in the valley of the shadow of death through serious cognitive work. Pharmaceutical intervention can therefore be of but limited use, mostly palliative not curative. And don’t stare in the mirror.
 
@infinitesimal It can hurt progress I think.
 
True^
 
@ABeautifulMind That’s the second step. The first is to stop talking to yourself about them. We are what we think we are.
You’re having a bad trip without a tour guide.
A competent cognitive therapist can be that guide.
 
2:09 PM
Fuck. The forecast for Monday went from 5-8" of snow to 8-12" to 12+" over the last few hours.
 
There is no magic pill: Labor omnia vincit but also Per aspera ad astra.
 
Snow. Goddammit
I took a magic pill once
 
Winter has us in its jaws and is shaking us the way a terrier shakes a rat.
 
@Robusto The radio just mentioned that we expect "a light dusting of snow" — which they said would perhaps be three inches. Impact is relative; in Portland (OR) or Seattle, three inches would have them calling out the National Guard. Here, it’s called a dusting.
 
2:11 PM
Hey! That sounds like a good marketing opportunity, naming the next new medication "the magic pill"
 
@Mitch So much for going to bed at the same time each day.
 
It'll come in red and also blue
 
Dont’t forget the White one for the eponymous Rabbit.
 
"Dreaming or awake, it takes the cake"
Ok needs work
 
@tchrist Well, in Atlanta three inches would be a weather emergency as well.
 
2:13 PM
Because they’re idiots.
 
Something about Alice's cake
 
Even apart from snow.
 
Some are.
 
People are idiots
 
I'm an idiot.
 
2:14 PM
13 hours ago, by tchrist
It’s not reasonable to say that X is idiotic because idiots are associated with it. Idiots are associated with everything.
 
You can type pretty well
So you have that going for you.
 
@tchrist You think cars aren't evil? Well, Hitler rode around in a car. Think about that next time you go for a drive.
 
@Mitch Most people can; it’s an easy pair of words.
 
Tchrist...good one
 
He wanted encouragement and I called him a drama queen :(
 
2:17 PM
But cars are evil. They stare you down. I lose every time. I'm winning with my hand though. It's starting to waver
 
Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum (Latin for "reduction to Hitler", which Hitlerum serving as a Latinized form of Hitler's name), is a term coined by philosopher Leo Strauss in 1951. According to Strauss, the Reductio ad Hitlerum is a humorous observation where someone compares an opponent's views with those that would be held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. According to Strauss, Reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of ad hominem or ad misericordiam, a fallacy of irrelevance, in which a conclusion is suggested based solely on something's or someone's origin rather than its current...
 
@infinitesimal Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them?
 
I can't read Latin....what could that possibly say?
I called him a drama queen but an Über came instead
 
That was @tchrist's joke.
 
There....pun executed
 
2:20 PM
Just a bit more occulted than yours.
 
@Mitch Sicut scriptum est quia non est iustus quisquam non est intellegens non est requirens.
 
I was just building on his fine work
 
He's in a lot of pain.
Pain weakens your very soul.
Nobody knows how bad it feels.
 
The crucible of life, like a refiner’s fire, burns away the dross to leave only the precious heart.
 
Bbl.... gotta shovel the roof
 
2:22 PM
@infinitesimal Bullshit. Everyone has pain. We all know how it feels.
 
Can you feel my pain?
 
Not in the same way you do.
 
Exactly.
 
But it's not my job to feel your pain in the same way you do.
 
If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were Donne quickly:
> No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
 
2:27 PM
> I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die. So let me live my life the way I want to. — Jimi Hendrix
 
> At the round earth's imagin'd corners, blow
Your trumpets, angels, and arise, arise
From death, you numberless infinities
Of souls, and to your scatter'd bodies go;
All whom the flood did, and fire shall o'erthrow,
All whom war, dearth, age, agues, tyrannies,
Despair, law, chance hath slain, and you whose eyes
Shall behold God and never taste death's woe.
But let them sleep, Lord, and me mourn a space,
For if above all these my sins abound,
'Tis late to ask abundance of thy grace
When we are there; here on this lowly ground
Come my friends, ’tis not too late to seek a newer world.
 
Jasper, this one’s for you:
> It little profits that an idle king,
By this still hearth, among these barren crags,
Matched with an aged wife, I mete and dole
Unequal laws unto a savage race,
That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me.
I cannot rest from travel; I will drink
Life to the lees. All times I have enjoyed
Greatly, have suffered greatly, both with those
That loved me, and alone; on shore, and when
Through scudding drifts the rainy Hyades
Vext the dim sea. I am become a name;
For always roaming with a hungry heart
Which one was the ST:TNG episode in which Stewart comes to know a female companion who teaches him to play a recorder and they improvise together?
Flute.
 
There is that in me—I do not know what it is—but I know it is in me.

Wrench’d and sweaty—calm and cool then my body becomes,
I sleep—I sleep long.

I do not know it—it is without name—it is a word unsaid,
It is not in any dictionary, utterance, symbol.

Something it swings on more than the earth I swing on,
To it the creation is the friend whose embracing awakes me.

Perhaps I might tell more. Outlines! I plead for my brothers and sisters.

Do you see O my brothers and sisters?
It is not chaos or death—it is form, union, plan—it is eternal life—it is Happiness.
 
crl
is "dope", "doping" from the same root as dopamine
 
2:40 PM
@crl No.
 
> 1807, American English, "sauce, gravy, thick liquid," from Dutch doop "thick dipping sauce," from doopen "to dip" (see dip (v.)). Extension to "drug" is 1889, from practice of smoking semi-liquid opium preparation. Meaning "foolish, stupid person" is older (1851) and may have a sense of "thick-headed." Sense of "inside information" (1901) may come from knowing before the race which horse had been drugged to influence performance. Dope-fiend is attested from 1896.
Etymonline ^
 
@ABeautifulMind
 
crl
ok
 
@infinitesimal Thanks, but I think only Kit and Matt understand me, so I won't say too much from now in this chat.
 
@Robust Do you have any opinion on Robert Schultz?
 
2:44 PM
@tchrist Nein, den kenne ich nicht.
 
Pianist. Composer. Arranger.
 
We haven't crossed paths.
 
He has a “grand” arrangement of the overplayed PB Canon in D, one you need a full keyboard to play. But here is a nice demonstration of his original work played by the man himself:
 
@tchrist As if one needed another version of the Pachelbel.
 
That’s what I’ve always thought — consider George Winston’s from December — but Schultz’s arrangement is far more satisfying to play than most; I do so with only a few minor improvisations. Alas there are no Youtube versions to show which capture his arrangement well; everyone you can find there plays it too loudly, choppily, quickly, artlessly — mostly kids trying too hard and being unnatural/unmusical. I wish I could see him play it himself.
 
2:55 PM
A bit impressionistic, yes? Influenced by Debussy (I hear whole-tone scales) and Ravel. I think his performance of his own work is a bit blocky. Maybe he doesn't want to go for "shimmering" but that's what the wash of chords suggests to me. It might do with a lighter touch.
He's definitely channeling Le Tombeau de Couperin in places.
 
Yes, what he’ playing in the video has a Debussy feel to me, but as you say, less pastiche and dreamy.
Oh, it looks like he has several transcriptions for different skill levels. You don’t want but the most interesting one.
 
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