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12:02 AM
@tchrist what is "sesqui"?
 
Good night, (gn Cerb)
 
@skullpatrol What is your first language and where do you live?
 
nvm
 
Why is this a secret?
 
I asked a simple question
 
12:06 AM
So did I.
 
Such a large percentage of engineering emails concern "Current build failing to deploy! WTF?"
 
The building is not supporting itself?
 
People forget to check in dependencies. Gee, if only there were a way to check for that . . . oh, wait. There is.
 
West Point Design Software?
 
@Cerberus An inch is ~25mm. See? Even I know that.
 
12:12 AM
I know it's something like that.
 
Close enough for government work.
 
Just as 7 inches was close enough for my purposes!
 
Lets mark it up to 26 while we are at it.
 
@skullpatrol I’m a programmer not a dictionary; if you want a dictionary, you know where to find it. More tellingly, you constantly ask for definitions of commonplace English words and cannot be troubled to look them up. I therefore believe you are either not a native speaker or there is something else amiss in you. Hence my simple question which you have yet to answer.
 
@tchrist Reminds me of myself many years ago
 
12:14 AM
@Cerberus 6 would have been better. You'd have kept some math cred.
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ You were ashamed to answer that question?
That surprises me.
 
@tchrist I asked definitions of commonplace english words.
 
@Robusto It didn't matter.
 
What do people think they're proving with smutty typography in their names, I wonder.
 
You've known me tchrist. :D
@Robusto Are you talking about my username? lol
 
12:15 AM
@Cerberus The only things people round up are IQ scores and penis sizes.
2
 
@tchrist Hey, no need to be so rude.
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ I hate it when people go all biblical on me. Please don’t tell the rest of them then. :)
@Robusto Hence my 7-vs-6 observation.
 
@Robusto Both of which matter little.
 
@Cerberus It's not the meat, it's the emotion.
 
Except to the rounders.
 
12:16 AM
@tchrist People ask you bible questions???
 
Err something like that.
 
They should come to me for that
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ I meant the part about my having known you. :)
 
@tchirst *pretends to understand the conversation while nodding*

On the other note, I have a very interesting Minecraft history.
I played it like during 1.2.3 or something like that
played without an account for 2 years
quit due to boredom and frustration of mod conflicts
 
12:18 AM
@Cerberus That was hardly rude. I will answer further questions from him just as soon he has answered my simple, civil question regarding his first language and geographical location, and not a moment before.
 
Bought an account for Christmas either in 2012, or 2013, while it gathered dust online for years
Finally started playing again a week ago. Crackpack is great, with modpacks no need to worry about mod conflicts
And now I am hunting for adequate recording software
Hopefully Fraps works, I just went through open broadcasting software, camstudio, etc
No HQ from them. Or quality.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yo
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ hey
 
So, your, uh, username. Someone puked all over it.
 
Its been like that for what, 2 years now?
 
12:22 AM
7 mins ago, by Robusto
What do people think they're proving with smutty typography in their names, I wonder.
 
This is a class joint. You should clean up when you come in here.
 
@Robusto So you were obliquely attacking my username! tsk tsk
 
What? two years? no. Impossible.
 
@Robusto A man wins at poker...so it was just the word?
 
12:23 AM
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: A class joint. Black tie optional. (no tags)
 
I like my name fancy, thank you very much
 
@tchrist "Something is amiss with you" is definitely rude and uncalled for.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ok more like a year
 
@Cerberus No. It was the spin on the word.
 
God, I missed you guys so much. sheds tear
 
12:23 AM
It reminds me of when I was a punk kid running a BBS and we all thought it was cool if our handles were written in extended-ascii symbols.
 
@Robusto I was only bluffing a little bit!
 
Why don't I come here more often
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I skipped that phase.
 
@Cerberus But your bluff got called, sir.
 
Only a little bit.
I still won.
 
12:24 AM
It got called upon a little bit?
Hey, I think he is bluffing... only a bit though... duuhhh
haha
@Robusto Can you guess the reason why I made my name this way?
 
So people can't ping you?
 
Back then I was known as Da⌠w¡∩
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ Or can they?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Good to know you've evolved since then.
 
@Robusto Well, I didn't think of that particularly. And one can do it if they try.
Its because I am a hedgehog!
I am supposed to be spiky, after all
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ and hedgehogs are bad at writing?
 
12:27 AM
You should have called yourself Phonics The Hedgehog. That would have been something. As it is, you're way too Sega for this room.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ouch, you wound me, Shiny.
@Robusto Good Idea!
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ It just goes a bit too far, IMO. But whatevs.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I shall satisfy both you and Robusto pronto... Prepare for..
PHONICS THE HEDGEHOG
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ I don't think you can satisfy BOTH of us at once.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You've never seen the last episode of the first season of Silicon Valley then?
 
12:29 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How do you feel about a man's taking the surname of his wife?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Is that a challenge? Although that does bring up a quote I heard.
"I sure way to fail is trying to please everybody."
 
@Robusto nor any episode of any season
 
Or, "taking"—that depends on your legal system.
 
Or something like that. I totally butchered that.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You should watch it. It's funny.
 
12:29 AM
@Cerberus Personally, I have no problem with it. It's rare. I would recommend against it, on account of people will give you shit for it.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How do you mean?
 
@Robusto I'll check it out.
 
And shouldn't you stand up to those people, rather than continuing to bow to their oppression?
 
@Cerberus I mean, people will bug you about it, make jokes about why you did it, constantly ask you to discuss it, etc, etc.
 
Possibly.
 
12:31 AM
@Cerberus Yes, you should, if you feel strongly about it. But it's easier to just not do it.
 
Although most people will never know.
 
Check out my profile page guys... ;D
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Satire of high tech employment and geek culture. Pretty good, too.
 
If a wife uses her husband's name, that has an actual effect in reality. If people use he as the neutral pronoun, it doesn't.
 
@Cerberus Most people... eventually. If you leave town.
 
12:32 AM
How do you mean?
 
@Cerberus Don't get started with that. I'm not debating it with you.
 
I wouldn't mind taking on my future spouses name. Korean last names are only one syllable, as a rule. Boring in western context.
 
I'm surprised that you would not encourage this.
 
@Cerberus I mean, if you stay in the town where you grew up, everyone you knew will eventually discover that you took your wife's name, and that will be a "topic of conversation" whenever they do discover that.
 
Yes, but who stays in the same town?
 
12:33 AM
@Cerberus I think both people should keep their birth names.
 
@Robusto I have taken your advice to reality.
 
@Cerberus Most people do.
 
Not people who go to university.
 
@Cerberus It most certainly was nothing of the kind. Saying that you seem to be a bit of an idiot, or an uneducated brute — that would be rude. What I said was certainly not offensive, and I am flabbergasted that you of all people would consider it offensive. Rude I know, and rude that was anything but. I’m a programmer not a diplomat, and spades are spades.
 
And now, I guess I would have to come up with a new profile pic. Sonic won't fit now...
 
12:34 AM
@Cerberus A significant fraction of the people from the town I grew up in, probably the majority, are still there now.
 
@tchrist I stand by my judgement, just so you know. And I think most people would agree.
 
@tchrist On an unrelated note, I play a Diplomancer Bard in DnD first edition game.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I know 0 people who moved back to our town.
They all live in cities.
It is possible that some might move there later, because it is a nice town, although they might just as well move to some other nice town.
 
@Cerberus And furthermore, of the people I know here in Toronto, most of them are from here. So this university town IS their hometown.
 
@Cerberus That’s nice. The best part is that we will never again hear from you a single nonsensical complaint about words being incapable of causing offence, since you have now invalidated every single thing you have ever pontificated about that matter.
 
12:36 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sure, but then it isn't a small community, so it doesn't matter.
 
Guys, guys, guys... Its okay to be rude, but its not okay to be rude about it.
 
Besides, my home town is 20–60,000 people, so it's not really small either.
 
@Cerberus It doesn't matter? So once a guy gets married, he cuts all ties with everyone who knew him before? Or what.
 
Wait, that doesn't make any sense at all...
 
@tchrist Then I am afraid you do not understand how language works.
 
12:37 AM
@Cerberus There see: I knew you could do it. Rude and offensive at the same time.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know, what was your point about small towns?
@tchrist Yes, but it was called for. And of course a bit hyperbolic, as you well know.
 
@Cerberus My point wasn't about small towns. It was about getting shit from your dudebro friends when you take your wife's name.
 
@skullpatrol yo. Want to be my protege?
 
Who me?
 
Yes you.
Sit down, and let me tell you a story.
 
12:39 AM
What's in it for me?
 
If you cut all ties with your past shortly before or after getting married, and move with your spouse to a new town where you have no contact with people from the past, you are free to easily change your whole identity or any part of it.
 
@Cerberus And furthermore quite obviously casuistic in the extreme. If you prefer spade-calling to fancy words because casuistry escapes you, then the normal word for such things in the vulgate is “bullshit”.
 
On a dark, and rainy night, 3 years ago, I - Just listen to the story!
I stumbled into this room... This, incomprehensible room.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I would probably find it hilarious, but also kind of cool.
 
No, seriously, it was literally called incomprehensible room back than.
I used to be a young grasshopper just like you, confused about English language...
 
12:40 AM
If you stay in the same milieu where you grew up, surrounded by countless people who knew you, in our patriarchal society, you will get constant shit for taking your wife's name. Just like you will if you decide to wear a dress to work. The patriarchy harms men too.
 
Until I took a participle to my knee.
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ And so it shall again be called that.
 
@tchrist I have no idea what you are talking about here, but I do not believe the Vulgate contains the word "bullshit".
 
I know how it feels like to be you, skull. I would like to help you.
Shoot me any question you have about the site. I know some things.
And its users.
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ skully's been hanging around a while since you been gone. We have a life outside of you, you know ;)
 
12:41 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Le gasp
But I am the life of the party!
 
@Cerberus You’re mincing words like a lawyer, wiggling and squirming and picking and choosing. That’s casuistry. And that’s what you are doing. Everything you ever said about how idiotic people are for ever finding anything offensive has just been tossed out the window. You have foresworn yourself.
 
This party's like a cat. It's got nine lives
 
@tchrist Oooh, casuistry. You gotta counter with a fancier word, Cerb.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Good point. But cats have been absent within this chatroom.
 
In this case, truth would be the fancier word, and much the rarer.
 
Nice to meet you ^_^
 
12:43 AM
Nice to meet you too.
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ Nah, tchrist posts pics of his cats all the time.
 
@tchrist sooth?
@tchrist You have a cat? And you didn't tell me?
Why?
QQ
 
@tchrist I hate explaining things that you already know, but fine. Whether or not language is offensive depends on context. Of course what I said applied to what you said in context. If you tell someone that there is something wrong with him, that is clearly rude. There is really no other way to judge it in context. If you tell someone there is "something amiss" about him in another context, it may be fine.
 
Are you guys still arguing about this
 
I want to know why he will not say what his first language is.
I want to know why he will not say where he lives.
 
12:45 AM
Your question was fine.
Just not your calling him "names".
 
@tchrist Well... He has his rights to remain silent... Don't wanna be stalked, ya know.
Dem stalkers.
 
I want to know why he keeps asking for definitions about English words that I knew when I was twelve years old.
 
Not saying that you are one, but still
 
My business is my business
 
12:45 AM
@tchrist Now you're being unkind again.
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ No, that is dumb.
 
Anyway I came into this room to mention a fun fact I learned today. Just as -gate is a productive suffix in English (Watergate, Climategate, Nipplegate, etc) so to is 门 (meaning gate or door) productive in Chinese.
 
Asking for what someone’s first language has nothing to do with stalking.
Asking what bloody country they plant their butt in has nothing to do with stalking.
 
1 min ago, by tchrist
I want to know why he will not say where he lives.
THAT's stalking.
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ tchrist isn't asking for a city let alone an address.
 
12:46 AM
@tchrist True.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wait, he isn't?
Oh. nvm
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ No, it is not. I didn’t ask for his bloody street address. I SIMPLY ASKED HIM TO DO ME THE COURTESY OF TELLING US WHAT BLOODY COUNTRY HE LIVED IN!!
 
@tchrist QQ Please don't yell at me
Phonics only made an honest mistake. :P
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And how is it used? Is it based on the English?
 
@Cerberus I know your first language, I know your country, and I even know what street you live on. Do you feel that I have used this knowledge to stalk you?
 
12:48 AM
Raider nation @tchrist :-)
 
And no, those roses and chocolates without a name on them that you got that time were not from me.
 
to be fair @tchrist your initial Q just said "where do you live" which people could interpret too narrowly
 
@tchrist Ignore him.
@tchrist If you are that woman who's always taking pictures of my house, then, yes.
 
@Cerberus He keeps asking definitions for words any half-bright twelve-year-old should know.
 
@Cerberus It's used the same way, but for a broader variety of things. It appears to be following the pattern of English.
 
12:49 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't think that's reasonable in context.
 
There is a reason for that.
 
@tchrist Oi, I was joking all right? I was never serious.
 
@tchrist Why so rude? It only wins you anger.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So for scandals?
 
@Cerberus Because I brook no fools.
 
@Cerberus There is a Language Log link in my msg with more details
 
12:50 AM
Wasting my time and my patience.
 
Then you must ignore them, not be rude to them.
 
Now I know why he gets chatbans.
 
Unless they be rude to you.
 
@Cerberus I wasn't rude, was I?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Right, I opened it. But it was...daunting.
 
12:51 AM
A fool is one thing, a coward is another.
 
> However, whereas the "-gate" suffix of English is generally restricted to events having major political implications, the corresponding Chinese "-mén 门" suffix has been expanded to include all sorts of sensational events in which the public takes an intense interest.
 
@tchrist Why don't you stop commenting on people you don't like? He's not even talking.
 
@tchrist Now THAT I do not understand. Hows that being cowardly?
 
It isn’t people.
It is behavior.
 
They are talking abut me :(
 
12:51 AM
Because I called his bluff.
 
Then skip ahead through a muddled aside that ought to be excised from the article, to
> A good example would be "Pōmò-mén 泼墨门" ("Splash Ink-Gate" — not Post Modernism-Gate!), which became notorious when a group of men dressed in black splashed ink on a large poster of the actress, Zhang Ziyi (of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" fame), that was displayed near her home (this was part of an even bigger scandal which is too complicated to go into here).
 
People don't kill people, guns do.
 
And he folded.
What word do you want for that?
 
If he did fold, than you won. Whats your deal tho?
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ I’ve found something he’s ashamed of. I would like to know why.
 
12:52 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My Chinese is rusty, but I don't like it.
 
@Cerberus From what I can see, it works just like "-gate" in English.
 
@tchrist If he is ashamed of it (which I dont think he is) than he is ashamed of it. So what about that?
 
But used on more than just scandals.
 
He keeps asking definitions about stuff a 12yo knows.
Why?
Is he a pineapple?
Is he 10 years old?
 
12:53 AM
Or is there something else amiss?
 
And why can’t he bother to look things up like all the rest of us have ever done?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I already hate it in English. I consider it a barbarism, a butchering of etymological lines that isn't funny. (If it were funny, it would be fine. But it isn't.)
 
I suspect he just isn’t very used to reading much English.
 
How long has he been here?
 
12:53 AM
Long enough to know better.
 
Skull. How long was he here?
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ pineapple is a non-native speaker. The word is meant to be amusing but some people apparently find it offensive.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh... lol
@tchrist And who is the judge of that?
 
@Cerberus In Chinese it's a literal translation of a barbaric butchering of etymology.
 
Because I certainly am not.
 
12:54 AM
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ He has been told these things already.
 
He keeps insulting someone on purpose, like a 12-year-old, someone who hasn't said an unkind word to him at all. Is something amiss? Is he 10 years old?
 
Therefore, that is long enough.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, so it is funnier in Chinese than in English, at least.
 
Did skull did something to you? Had I not known better I would have thought that he blew your house down or something.
 
@Cerberus Especially since the Chinese basically consider non-Chinese to be barbarians.
 
12:55 AM
@Cerberus You know, I actually do know how to insult when I feel like it. I haven’t done that yet.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Naturally.
@tchrist You don't get to judge your own behaviour.
 
@tchrist No, but what you are doing could easily be construed as insulting. I suggest we let the matter drop.
 
Actually, I don't know better. Did skull do anything?
 
Saying that “or else something else is amiss” is in no fashion whatsoever an offensive insult.
 
Is he guilty of any crimes? Is he harassing anyone? Deserving of a ban hammer?
 
12:56 AM
I stand by my judgement. I have lost interest in the topic.
hammers
 
This is exactly like FF getting people’s knickers in a snit when he said “or else is a bit of an idiot.”
 
Next case!
 
He doesn't want to talk about where he's from, you don't want to define words for him, fine. Neither of you is beholden to the other.
 
I did not say idiot.
I said something amiss.
 
You are badgering him for information that he does not want to give.
 
12:57 AM
If that is offensive, then you live in a paper house of cards.
 
Why should he tell you anything? I did not say that your words were offensive, tchrist.
 
@SȱɳɨȼƮħeǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ Tit for tat, Clarisse.
He keeps asking me things.
 
No, I am dealing with something else.
 
So I for once asked him something.
 
@tchrist Specifically you?
 
12:58 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Now, Mr Shiny, your tulips, which were planted in your own corner of the room, have expanded into Reg's corner. You have not repaired this injury. Plead your case.
 
He asks definitions for words instead of looking them up, words that you learn before high school. That is extremely curious.
 
@tchrist If you asked me a question, and I turned around and answered "Geez. Do you even speak English? I knew the answer to that when I was 12! Did you get an education in whatever place you grew up in?", you might feel offended.
 
GUILTY I SAY! GUILTY!
1 min ago, by Sȱɳɨȼ Ʈħe ǶḝÐɠḝħȱɠ
@tchrist Specifically you?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That isn’t where it started. I asked a simple question.
 
@Cerberus My tulips are lego tulips and Reg is cool with that.
@tchrist Well, that is how it appears.
 
12:59 AM
Hmm.
 
57 mins ago, by skullpatrol
@tchrist what is "sesqui"?
 

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