Weird.

Apple’s Terminal program is remarkably adroit with combining diacritics.

To me, an n with a little o underneath is a vocalised nasal.

Same with m, r, and l.

You mean a syllabic consonant?

Depends.

Probably.

Often used for a consonant that is later vocalised.

Odd.

We use n with circle for e.g. the n that (chrono-phonologically) precedes a(n)-, the Greek privative prefix.

[ˈkʰɪʔn̩]

And for things like the n in the root thn "dead" as it led to than-.

But an n can vocalise in many ways, as a, an, na, on, or no.

The same for m.

I don’t know what that means.

And r and l can do the exact same thing, except not as a (to my knowledge).

@tchrist There is a proto-Greek root thn. It led to words like euthanasia.

I think [n̩] is pretty well-defined. I don’t understand what you mean by variant vocalizations.

The a is a vocalisation of the n.

There is no a in kitten.

This is only about Greek.

Well.

I'm sure English and Latin and such have other rules of vocalisation.

[ˈlɪʔɬ̩ ˈkʰɪʔn̩z]

You missed. :(

Your system is not putting COMBINING VERTICAL LINE BELOW in the right place.

Safari.

What are those?

I don’t speak entities, only code points. :(

LEFT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET and RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET.

Those are weird.

They are weird because they have the character property East_Asian_Width=Wide.

They are also non-canonical.

They canonicalize into something that is not wide.

macbook# perl -MHTML::Entities -CS -le 'print decode_entities("⟨ ⟩")' | uniquote -v
\N{LEFT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET} \N{RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET}
macbook# perl -MHTML::Entities -CS -le 'print decode_entities("⟨ ⟩")' | nfc | uniquote -v
\N{LEFT ANGLE BRACKET} \N{RIGHT ANGLE BRACKET}

macbook# perl -MHTML::Entities -CS -le 'print decode_entities("⟨ ⟩")' | uniquote -x
\x{2329} \x{232A}
macbook# perl -MHTML::Entities -CS -le 'print decode_entities("⟨ ⟩")' | nfc | uniquote -x
\x{3008} \x{3009}

Normal LEFT ANGLE BRACKET is 3008. The wide one at 2329 will canonicalize into 3008 under any normalization form.

You might wish to use 3008 and 3009 unless you are looking for wide use with East Asian sets.

Gosh.

@snailboat Those are only for math.

Also, they are EA=Narrow not EA=Wide.

27E8 is MATHEMATICAL LEFT ANGLE BRACKET.

But both 2329 and 3008 are EA=Wide. Hm.

Wait, do you want the angle quote?

U+2039 ‭ ‹  SINGLE LEFT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+203A ‭ ›  SINGLE RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK

Those are actually of type Punctuation instead of type Symbol.

I think you want 2039 and 203A then.

The code points with property Quotation_Mark=Yes are:

U+0022 ‭ "  GC=Po QUOTATION MARK
U+0027 ‭ '  GC=Po APOSTROPHE
U+00AB ‭ «  GC=Pi LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+00BB ‭ »  GC=Pf RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+2018 ‭ ‘  GC=Pi LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+2019 ‭ ’  GC=Pf RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+201A ‭ ‚  GC=Ps SINGLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK
U+201B ‭ ‛  GC=Pi SINGLE HIGH-REVERSED-9 QUOTATION MARK
U+201C ‭ “  GC=Pi LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK
U+201D ‭ ”  GC=Pf RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK
U+201E ‭ „  GC=Ps DOUBLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK

All are some sort of Punctuation.

The angles that are symbols are something else.

U+003C ‭ <  GC=Sm LESS-THAN SIGN
U+003E ‭ >  GC=Sm GREATER-THAN SIGN
U+00AB ‭ «  GC=Pi LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+00BB ‭ »  GC=Pf RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+2039 ‭ ‹  GC=Pi SINGLE LEFT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+203A ‭ ›  GC=Pf SINGLE RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
U+27E8 ‭ ⟨  GC=Ps MATHEMATICAL LEFT ANGLE BRACKET
U+27E9 ‭ ⟩  GC=Pe MATHEMATICAL RIGHT ANGLE BRACKET
U+27EA ‭ ⟪  GC=Ps MATHEMATICAL LEFT DOUBLE ANGLE BRACKET
U+27EB ‭ ⟫  GC=Pe MATHEMATICAL RIGHT DOUBLE ANGLE BRACKET

I guess a lot of them are punctuation.

Also:

U+FE3D ‭ ︽ GC=Ps PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL LEFT DOUBLE ANGLE BRACKET
U+FE3E ‭ ︾ GC=Pe PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL RIGHT DOUBLE ANGLE BRACKET
U+FE3F ‭ ︿ GC=Ps PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL LEFT ANGLE BRACKET
U+FE40 ‭ ﹀ GC=Pe PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL RIGHT ANGLE BRACKET
U+FE64 ‭ ﹤ GC=Sm SMALL LESS-THAN SIGN
U+FE65 ‭ ﹥ GC=Sm SMALL GREATER-THAN SIGN
U+FF1C ‭ ＜ GC=Sm FULLWIDTH LESS-THAN SIGN
U+FF1E ‭ ＞ GC=Sm FULLWIDTH GREATER-THAN SIGN

I have seen a lot of variation used for quoting strings with angle brackets.

I don’t know what will look best to your readers, though.

I’ve used those.

I often don’t understand why people even mention “are missing in some fonts”.

Sure.

It’s what I use.

macbook# uniprops -a eth
U+00F0 ‹ð› \N{LATIN SMALL LETTER ETH}
    \w \pL \p{LC} \p{L_} \p{L&} \p{Ll}
    All Any Alnum Alpha Alphabetic Assigned InLatin1 Cased
       Cased_Letter LC Changes_When_Casemapped CWCM
       Changes_When_Titlecased CWT Changes_When_Uppercased CWU Ll L
       Gr_Base Grapheme_Base Graph GrBase ID_Continue IDC ID_Start IDS
       Letter L_ Latin Latn Latin_1 Latin_1_Supplement
       Lowercase_Letter Lower Lowercase Print Word XID_Continue XIDC
       XID_Start XIDS X_POSIX_Alnum X_POSIX_Alpha X_POSIX_Graph

@snailboat I have some of those loaded too.

@snailboat Try < and > instead.

The Banner Saga is now €5 on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/237990

And Europa Universalis is €10.

I have bought the Banner Saga, I couldn't resist any more. It's normally €20.

@Cerberus I'm playing Dragon Age: Inquisition now. This one sounds like it's rails throughout, not a true RPG and not open-world.

how is life rob?

You should install VS so you could QA all my wpf controls :)

hej kompis

@JohanLarsson I need more incentive than that.

then the question is why

Why do I need more incentive than that?

yeah, it is fun to write & read code

*read code not always fun

Reading code is not fun at all. Writing code, on the other hand, is.

Reading nice code is grejt.

In small doses. I wouldn't call it beach reading, exactly.

it can be like porn but without pictures.

prolly safe for beach :)

The issue is not safety.

think about the children imo

Reading code should be like reading a novel: there's stuff that should grab you and stuff that dawns on you over time. And it's all set forth clearly in an interesting, informative manner. Most code you read, however, is just a mess of crap that doesn't really hang together.

Yeah I have been reading stuff where they have taken their retardationlevels and divided them by zero this week.

Don't even know how they come up with as dumb shit.

And all over the place, not juts hax to workaround a problem.

@Cerberus It's $4.99 on Steam here, btw. $6.24 with the soundtrack.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHOM/WHO DISTINCTION by philosophyislife on english.stackexchange.com

@Rob I'm no sucker for power ballads but liked this /cc @JasperLoy

@JohanLarsson "This video is not available."

ok was from swedish idol

@JohanLarsson Also not available in hell land here, lol.

What rhymes with squirrel?

@tchrist Quarrel.

@tchrist, Will Ferrell

What about churl?

Or girl or earl?

I thought Will was feral.

What about admiral?

Or referral?

Mineral?

Whirl?

Pleural?

Plural?

What about what Laverne always called Shirley, Shirl?

Pickerel? Postural?

Tyrol

The only one I’m reasonably sure of is querl or quirl, however you spell that word.

I guess it has to rhyme either with referral or else with girl, but not with both.

Isn’t this the test of whether you’re a German spy? :)

Or do referral and girl rhyme after all?

Depends on your accent.

To me, the only difference between squirrel and swirl is that the first has an extra /k/ sound.

Which wouldn’t interfere with the rime.

If someone acts like a squirrel, are they acting squirrelly?

For me, that rhymes with early. I fear I’ve swallowed a syllable somewhere.

Squirrel and swirl don't rhyme here in London.

Do you put two syllables in squirrel and one in the swirl?

This is what I mean about my fear of having swallowed syllable.

"squirrelly and undisciplined" books.google.co.uk/…

squirrel: two syllables, swirl 1 syllable

I’ve heard Stephen Fry say squirrel with two syllables, and I cannot for the life of me get my mouth to do it.

harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Quirinus_Quirrell

Quirrell, also two syllables

Quirrel is a queer old name.

Maybe that’s the trick: saying the first syllable with a different vowel, more like in queer.

Poetry would be easier if one could rhyme squirrel with girl.

Works in a northern irish accent.

It does here, too.

where's here?

But both Irish English and North America forms have retroflex r’s.

Well, I’m in Colorado now, but that hardly matters. I grew up in Wisconsin.

ah.

Used to get a northern irish friend to say 'durable gerbil' because it sounded like the same word twice.

Heh.

but in a standard English accent 'durable' is 3 syllables, 'gerbil' 2.

Durable has three syllables in most accents. The affrication (turning into J) you report of your friend from Northern Ireland reminds me of "diju eat yet?"

Yes. To me a 1-syllable 'squirrel' seems like the same kind of shortening.

Not turning into j of course.

I can see hillbillies talking about durble goods.

House cats often appear aloof and indifferent toward their human companions. But it's not just an act — they actually don't care.

It's hilarious BS

Everyone is trying to get their cats to care.

Doglike cats have evolved to advertise mobile phones.