English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

@tunny: You taught English for forty years and now you baulk at having to look up a smattering of newer terms in order to understand posts on the internet? o.O Learning an evolving language applies to everyone, and I would have expected a teacher to know that, rather than suggesting that the newer terms should be outright banned!! — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 hours ago

EnglishMaster

6:45 AM

Hi guys

Guys, I've been having problem with peeing too many times a day so I went to Urologist today to figure out why. However, they told me they want to shove up some line of camera into my ding-dong so I told them "no-way".

I can accept others to do whatever operations they want to any part of my body except for my ding-dong and balls.

Wow, they kicked me out from Javascript chat.

Matt Эллен

8:28 AM

@EnglishMaster Unprompted outbursts about your urinary tract problems are not wanted.

EnglishMaster

8:53 AM

sorry

Matt Эллен

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Q: Hats are coming

Winterbash 2014 is on its way. It will run from 15 December 2014 to 4 January 2015. As with last year, if you don't want hats you can opt out. There is also the possibility of the whole site opting out before it starts. Nobody wants that, though, right?

@EnglishMaster no worries

r u brit?

@EnglishMaster I R

Guys, isn't it interesting how people tend to hang out with others with similar personality and even their look?

I had 1 girlfriend in my life (merely a girlfriend because our relationship ended so quickly due to little experience in love and date) and she was virgin for sure just like me.

Last time I asked her to hug me and she doesn't know where to surround her arms on my body. She ended up putting her arms around my shoulder without considering that I'm 178 CM tall and she is like 168 tall.

skullpatrol

9:11 AM

Hi

Matt Эллен

I have the "Too Many Cooks" song in my head. Well, the hook of it, anyway. Stupid earworms.

skullpatrol

Yes, ear worms can be distracting.

To say the least :)

Wanna see what I suggested on meta?

Matt Эллен

sure

skullpatrol

What I am suggesting here is a form of self-government. Since, the system records and graphs the activity of all the users in the room, why not choose the room owner based on that data, rather than the current system? If you want to be a room owner it is only fair that you should actively participate in that room.

Matt Эллен

That already happens, I think, but only for low activity rooms. Kit (before she was a moderator) gained ownership of the overlook hotel because she was most active

skullpatrol

9:27 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot about that :/

I want it on the most active rooms too.

Matt Эллен

the problem with that is that it would encourage people to post cavalcades of spurious nonsense to gain ownership of a room.

EnglishMaster

I love to call noobs "wank-stain". It's just a satisfying insult.

skullpatrol

Why do you want to insult people?

Especially strangers on the internet.

EnglishMaster

It a medical treatment for my various diseases that I currently have. I think they were mostly caused by stress I get from life; trolls, family and etc. So it's a great way to release it.

skullpatrol

Like "kicking the dog"?

EnglishMaster

9:33 AM

Yeah. By the way, have you seen Fury yet?

skullpatrol

No.

EnglishMaster

I watched it yesterday and the movie was about Percy Jackson gets to survive at the end of bloody hell fight against German SS Nazis they encounter after their tank gets destroyed.

skullpatrol

icic

EnglishMaster

reddit.com/r/food/comments/2mwx1c/…

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By the way, my war-name is "Russian"

skullpatrol

Why did you get kicked out of the JavaScript chat room?

EnglishMaster

9:40 AM

@skullpatrol I'll bestow your war-name "Brit"

I have no idea. I think those people are too crazy about Javascript, language used to show funny alter messages on your website.

skullpatrol

My war-name is warlord skullpatrol ;-)

EnglishMaster

Private Brit, what the hell are you talking about?

skullpatrol

:O

I'm only a private?

EnglishMaster

Yeah, I'm Sergent Russian.

@MattЭллен He is Corporal Korean.

skullpatrol

I'm War Lord Darth Raider leader of the dark side.

EnglishMaster

9:46 AM

Shut up and drink some tea.

skullpatrol

Are you @EnglishMaster loyal to the dark side?

EnglishMaster

sure, darkness protects me. I am dark all the way except for skin.

skullpatrol

good

EnglishMaster

@JohanLarsson This guy is First Private, "Good-Boy"

skullpatrol

don't ever tell me to "shut up" again pal @EnglishMaster

EnglishMaster

9:50 AM

@skullpatrol Are you trying to revolt against me Private Brit?

Oh boy

skullpatrol

You don't know me.

&

EnglishMaster

First Private Good-Boy will whoop you soon.

skullpatrol

I don't know you.

EnglishMaster

Ok, it's doesn't matter. I'm going to go and watch Hunger Game Mocking Jay

and tell you its story-line

skullpatrol

Later pal

EnglishMaster

9:52 AM

Happy Tea Time mate.

skullpatrol

:-)

skullpatrol

10:04 AM

@MattЭллен This kind of change in the system would make full use of those who are most likely to be actually in the room and participating during flagging of comments, temporary banning, etc.

EnglishMaster

10:20 AM

Wah, there is a couple of magnificent retards sitting behind my row. They were actually singing "Twinkle Twinkle little stars" when they were climbing up stairs looking for their alphabatical order of seats.

Like A B C D E F G H I (twinkle twinkle little stars), there you go.

Private Brit, shoot them now!

Quick question, what is a sigular term of one half of a couple?

skullpatrol

An individual.

EnglishMaster

It doesnt sound "lovely" enough to apply on one half of a couple. It sounds too solid

skullpatrol

well, half of a couple is one, right?

EnglishMaster

Hmm, sounds too subtituting.

skullpatrol

(1/2)*2=1

EnglishMaster

10:29 AM

Sorry I didnt mean that.

I meant too "replacing", not being original

user4550

@EnglishMaster Is this correct?

"Once opened, you have to eat it within 3 months."

sounds fine to me

Yeah, too right.

too right?

Spot on.

10:33 AM

"one half of a couple" only has one meaning pal

user4550

Thanks

Wow, too right is an idiom

I've never heard it.

EnglishMaster

Its too complicated. Give me a smart word instead.

How about the gf oe the bf?

Or*

skullpatrol

11:25 AM

the better half

medica

@skullpatrol Hey, skull, do you know if mods will get a message if they are pinged from a private room?

skullpatrol

@medica you have to have been in the room to get a ping

so, no

medica

shoot. So I have to ping a mod from here?

skullpatrol

yep

if they have been in here

medica

has one been around this morning yet?

skullpatrol

11:29 AM

matt

terdon

medica

recently?

skullpatrol

yep

medica

(sorry to pester you)

skullpatrol

np pal

medica

ok, thanks very much.

skullpatrol

11:29 AM

:-)

medica

@MattЭллен - sorry to bother you, but when you have a few minutes, could you please go to the room you opened for me the other day? I have a 'situation'. Thanks.

@skullpatrol - what do you know about lightness in orbit or whatever the name is?

skullpatrol

@medica I've never seem him in here.

so, nothing sorry

medica

you're familiar with other sites; do you know him?

ok, sorry, just saw the rest of your answer.

skullpatrol

not in any of the chatrooms I've been in.

medica

ok.

thanks.

skullpatrol

11:34 AM

np

anytime

medica

:-)

skullpatrol

:-)

Hugo

12:04 PM

this question:

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Q: Must a new speaker's dialog start a new paragraph even in the middle of one sentence?

My sample: Then right after I said, “Some shocking statement,” she said, “Oh!” Or must it be: Then right after I said, “Some shocking statement,” she said, “Oh!”

dialogue paragraphs

is the same as this:

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Q: Must every piece of speech get its own paragraph?

I've had a few people read pieces of narrative writing I've done, and they seem to take issue with the fact that I sometimes put a piece of speech inline with the rest of a non-dialogue paragraph, like so: Jill found a box of mints she liked, and took them off the shelf. She walked up to the ...

style dialogue

and that was originally asked here at EL&U before being migrated to WSE.

so what to do with the new one?

Matt Эллен

hmmm

Hugo

voted to close as off-topic with that as a close reason

anyway, I found that writers one when just searching Google: speaker dialog paragraph

the E&LU question was hit 1, the WSE hit 2

skullpatrol

Nice find :-)

Matt Эллен

@Hugo I guess it should be migrated then closed as a dupe

but migrating a question to get closed...

it feels wrong

Mitch

But it feels so right

But it is wasted effort

skullpatrol

12:16 PM

Like sending someone to the chair :(

Mitch

When you could just push them down the stairs?

skullpatrol

Ah, thanks for the memories };-)

Mitch

Haha. What? Memories from where?

Also half of a couple is a single. It's also half of a double but words are funny like that.

skullpatrol

Single=individual

Matt Эллен

HAHAHA WORDS ARE SO HILARIOUS

skullpatrol

12:25 PM

-_-

Mitch

That reminds me of a joke

skullpatrol

?

Mitch

No particular joke. Just that jokes are funny too

skullpatrol

Define: joke

EnglishMaster

What do you guys personally think about prostitution? How devil do you think it is out of 10 devilish points?

Lets say murdur is 10 out of 10 devilish points.

skullpatrol

12:38 PM

10 is the highest evil?

EnglishMaster

Ye

skullpatrol

What is zero?

Also are you allowing -10?

EnglishMaster

Yeah

Im not trying to justify prostitution isnt so evil compare to murdur so oneday I can hire one and fdel no regret

I just want to hear ur opinion

skullpatrol

I would give it a solid 8

EnglishMaster

Hmm whst about going to a club?

What*

skullpatrol

12:45 PM

That's just entertainment.

Unless it's a strip club.

EnglishMaster

Do you mean going to a strip club?

skullpatrol

Even a strip club is a only a 4 or 6

Depending on what you do there.

EnglishMaster

Damn, is prostitution that bad? Are you considering that it is a serious job for some people who declared it as their profession and have nothing else to do other that that?

skullpatrol

There are more honest ways of making money.

Matt Эллен

Allowing yourself to accept money so that someone can have sex with you is not evil. The problems only arise from other people. e.g. if you don't want to allow people to pay you for sex, but are being forced to, or the people paying for sex aren't playing by the rules you set up for such interactions.

so it's a 0 for me

skullpatrol

12:54 PM

It does come down to what you will do for money.

Is that not the definition of "greed"?

Matt Эллен

I would think "greed" is wanting more than you need and not allowing others their fair share

Andrew Leach

Is that not avarice?

Matt Эллен

is that not a synonym?

Andrew Leach

Hmm. Well.

skullpatrol

Remember we're talking about money for sex here. If you pay a hooker more money she will have sex with more men at one time. That is greed.

Ask any hooker.

terdon

1:01 PM

???????

What's evil about prostitution? The only "evil" thing about it is the horrible way that many prostitutes are taken advantage of and treated in that world.

Apart from that (which is a big issue), sex between two consenting adults be it for fun or money is not evil. Why should it be?

I find it sad that people would want/need to pay for it mind but evil?

user116848

@terdon Then what about all the diseases, STDs etc. That looks pretty evil.

terdon

@Arrowfar That has nothing to do with prostitution.

skullpatrol

Nothing?

terdon

Obviously, prostitutes are a high risk group, so perhaps are more troubled by that than others but again, that's not "evil".

I am not defending prostitution as it is today. I just wouldn't call it evil and in any case, if anyone were evil it'd be the client and not the prostitute.

Matt Эллен

the client and/or the people who "own" the prostitute

terdon

1:07 PM

^^

The prostitute her/himself is the one I have the least problems with in the whole thing.

skullpatrol

Like I said, there are more honest ways to make money.

terdon

@skullpatrol But what's dishonest about prostitution? It's about a honest and straightforward as it gets.

Matt Эллен

indeed

skullpatrol

It is illegal.

terdon

Compared to pretty much anything. Far more dishonest to be selling something in a store where you need to convince your client that they need it/want it/can use it/ etc.

Matt Эллен

1:09 PM

Paying for sex is legal here, it's just all the steps getting to that point are illegal.

terdon

@skullpatrol In a few countries, yes. Not in many others.

skullpatrol

The most populated ones?

Matt Эллен

so you can't ask a prostitute for sex and a prostitute can't ask you for money

terdon

Now, that is evil. Making prostiturion illegal is idiotic, counterproductive and downright harmful to everyone involved.

I don't know of any European country where it is illegal. There may well be but I can't think of one off the top of my head.

skullpatrol

China and India.

terdon

1:10 PM

What about them?

skullpatrol

That is where it is illegal.

terdon

Well, yeah. Not exactly great models of social reform there are they? :)

skullpatrol

And they are the most populated countries in the world.

terdon

Yup, as I expected, the US is pretty much the only country in the Western world where it is illegal.

Robusto

Just spent a few minutes searching for the "expert" button a NNS QA person told me didn't work, before I finally realized she meant the "export" button.

terdon

1:13 PM

Green is legal and regulated, red illegal, blue is "Selling sexual services legal, but not regulated; brothels are illegal" and

@skullpatrol According to that map, it's not illegal in India either.

skullpatrol

You do have a good point there.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto looks like they need an export user to test your code

Robusto

inorite

terdon

It's just mind-numbingly idiotic to make it illegal. It certainly does not stop it (or even make a dent in it). It just pushes it into the shadows where all the really bad things happen.

skullpatrol

I'm just thinking about the worlds opinion in terms of numbers.

Robusto

1:16 PM

@terdon We like to keep a lot of the old-school traditions alive.

terdon

@Robusto Ha! Prostitution being illegal is most certainly not "old school"! More like modern stupidity :)

Robusto

So you say.

skullpatrol

What percentage of the worlds population classifies it as illegal?

Robusto

Actually, prostitution is legal in Nevada.

terdon

@skullpatrol Have a look at how many prostitutes there are in the countries where it's illegal. I very much doubt they will be fewer.

I wonder who was the first to think of making it illegal actually. I'm guessing some religious fanatics or others. The puritans maybe?

Robusto

1:19 PM

@skullpatrol Raiders now rocketing to a 1-10 record!

skullpatrol

:D

Robusto

All is joy in Oakland this a.m.?

LOYALTY

LOYALTY

:D)

1:22 PM

I know what you meant. I just said OYA to that.

EnglishMaster

1:41 PM

Guys, I was away for awhile because I was epic ganking Russians in Dota.

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What do you think about this song?

terdon

Umm... you probably don't want to know what I think of the song. The video is most certainly disturbing.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson: I learned a Swedish word today: jantelagen. Does that describe you?

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者: What's up with the Chiefs? They can't beat an 0-10 team f'realz?

@EnglishMaster Dota or Dota 2?

@terdon I managed about eight seconds before I knew it just wasn't for me.

EnglishMaster

2:10 PM

@Robusto 1

Robusto

4:11 PM

Whoa! @tchrist is in direct violation of John Lawler's Gricean conversational implicatures. See this answer where they are cited, though he doesn't explicitly reference Tom.

Mitch

He's committed a Grice crime

Robusto

Maxims of Quantity, Rule 2 (Do not make your contribution more informative than is required) as well as Maxims of Manner, Rules 1 (Avoid obscurity of expression) and 2 (Be brief).

Jasper Loy

I had ribeye steak for dinner.

Mitch

What about "if you can't say something nice about your mother, then what kind of person are you?"

Robusto

@Mitch A stepchild?

Mitch

4:14 PM

!!rimshot

email sent to Mr Grice

Robusto

> However, like many rules of human behavior, Grice’s Maxims are idealized, and
often violated in common practice.

Aww, to hell with conversational relativism! We need strict laws!

Johan Larsson

@Robusto Jantelagen is a noun. I'm not sure it describes me but others should judge that.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Do you think yourself to be modest and forbearing?

Johan Larsson

forbearing > $5

'Du ska inte tro att du är något' is the only paragraph in jantelagen.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson TheFreeDictionary is, well, free

Johan Larsson

4:19 PM

Maybe it is so popular here since we have a tradition of being social democrats.

I'm pretty forbearing on the internet :)

Robusto

And I haven't seen you drunk yet, so I must withhold judgment.

Johan Larsson

Not so much when I see dumb code irl.

I have chatted drunk many times.

Might do it tonight :)

Robusto

But you could have been a bot. How would I know?

Mitch

Drunk and forbearing?

Johan Larsson

@Robusto Would it change much if we met? Look at T2 for example.

Robusto

4:22 PM

You are the terminator? I didn't know.

Johan Larsson

I published another beautiful foss-lib that no one will ever use today :)

Mitch

T2 is the nice Arnold Schwarzennegger. Or at least the one on our side.

Johan Larsson

They hacked him.

Mitch

...to pieces.

Johan Larsson

Do you cry when you see the melting scene?

Mitch

4:28 PM

In the wizard of Oz? Yes. In Frozen, no

I hated that snowman guy

Jasper Loy

I farted.

Andrew Leach

Too much information.

Jasper Loy

Where is Matt? Maybe he became a mat.

Robusto

Matte has no reflections anymore.

Jasper Loy

In this chat, we have both matt and shiny.

terdon

4:33 PM

@JasperLoy Wow. That reminds me of the devil's dictionary definition of telephone:

> TELEPHONE, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance.

Letting us know about that level of detail in your life abrogates some of the advantages of not being there to notice it ourselves :)

Jasper Loy

I am very happy with Ubuntu Mate 14.04 so far, no problems at all.

terdon

Cool!

Cerberus

@terdon Haha. Very true.

But at least you can not pick it up...

terdon

But then, you can't put it down either so I suppose they balance each other out.

Cerberus

That is indeed a problem...

Do you still use your phone to call people much?

I do so less and less.

terdon

4:38 PM

> HOMOEOPATHY, n. [1.] A school of medicine midway between Allopathy and Christian Science. To the last both the others are distinctly inferior, for Christian Science will cure imaginary diseases, and they can not. [2.] A theory and practice of medicine which aims to cure the diseases of fools. As it does not cure them, and does sometimes kill the fools, it is ridiculed by the thoughtless, but commended by the wise.

Cerberus

Haha.

Nice.

terdon

> As it does not cure them, and does sometimes kill the fools, it is ridiculed by the thoughtless, but commended by the wise.

Gotta love true cynics.