English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

12:00 AM

I read my news in a newspaper, which has links to videos commented on by correspondents.

Either way, it's pretty clear what's happening in Ukraine (again).

The same segment of society is trying to bring about a revolution, again.

MετάEd

@Cerberus A newspaper does not have links to videos.

Cerberus

Which will probably be a Pyrrhic victory if it succeeds, again.

@MετάEd It is the website of my newspaper.

Which I consider part of it.

MετάEd

No, no, not Pyrrhic. You're thinking of that old Greek war.

Cerberus

Roman.

The people in the west and in Kiev support the opposition and want to be with the EU. The people in the east support the government and want to be closer to Russia.

The government was/is trying to stay neutral, but Putin forced their hand, so they had to pick the Russian side, for now.

badass

It is all about money, that's why Moscow has the most billionaires in the world.

Cerberus

12:12 AM

It's not all about money...

MετάEd

@Cerberus Phoenician.

If you are thinking of the Punic Wars.

Cerberus

But the reason why Yanukovic gave in to Putin's demands was mostly about money, sure.

badass

ok ok mostly

Cerberus

@MετάEd Why would I? It was a war started by the Romans in order to conquer Epirus, if I am not mistaken.

Against Epirus.

MετάEd

Why would you what?

Cerberus

12:16 AM

@MετάEd Why would I be thinking of the Punic Wars?

MετάEd

@Cerberus You don't know how to play "no, no, not"?

"Pyrrhic" goes to some other expression having to do with an old Greek war.

Cerberus

I eh have seen people play this game, but never involved myself in it.

MετάEd

Which could have been "Punic".

Except that wasn't Greek either.

Cerberus

Uh...

MετάEd

I think you discovered the confusion when you said you have never involved yourself in the game before.

That's just gonna be confusing.

Cerberus

12:21 AM

Ehh...

Cerberus

12:39 AM

@MετάEd Here's more "propaganda" for you.

Robusto

@Cerberus Which one? There are three, like your heads.

Cerberus

@Robusto Any one.

liveleak.com/view?i=c0d_1385915137 Middle video shows other protesters stopping masked protesters from using the bulldozer against the police.

nice^

@Cerberus Well, the choice of photo can always be an act of propaganda. But the last time it was your headline, not the photo, which showed that form of creativity.

This time there's just the photo. And then the link.

Did you write the description of the link?

Cerberus

12:48 AM

And my explanation of what's happening.

Yes.

It's always possible for there to be some hired provocateurs among the protesters.

@MετάEd How do you think it comes across when you call a simple caption I write "deeply false"? And I still don't get what's so false about it. I don't get the significance of the precise reasons and circumstances of the flag-grabbing.

And I don't see how anyone would interpret the conflict any differently based on that.

MετάEd

1:04 AM

@Cerberus Hopefully it comes across as parallel to "superficially true".

Superficial being on the surface, and deep being beneath the surface.

So it's true on the surface, but false beneath the surface.

Cerberus

That's worse than merely "false".

It's "false with additional deception".

badass

Painting the facts with truth?

MετάEd

No, it's when you say something which is literally true but also misleading.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Cerberus

Which is even worse than a simple falsehood.

badass

define sex

MετάEd

1:06 AM

Superficially true; deeply false.

@Cerberus It's not worse; it's better.

Cerberus

And, after hearing what you had to say, I think you are mistaken. The description is not misleading about anything that matters.

MετάEd

@badass Or even better, redefine sex. Which is what more or less happened as a result of the Lewinsky scandal.

badass

Indeed.

MετάEd

Before Lewinsky it made sense to say "we fooled around but we did not actually have sex". After Lewinsky, "fooled around" is sex.

Cerberus

You are comparing my caption to Clinton's lies, seriously?

MετάEd

1:10 AM

@Cerberus It's my considered opinion that Clinton didn't lie. He misled without lying.

And by considered opinion I mean I actually read the transcripts and the arguments about them. I was quite interested because it looked like we could have a constitutional crisis.

Now tell me, is misleading without lying worse than lying?

Cerberus

It's close enough to lying to be reprehensible.

MετάEd

Because you seem interested in characterizing one as worse than the other.

@Cerberus What he did was reprehensible even before he made statements about it.

Cerberus

It is not. And I am baffled by the fact that you are saying my caption is as "misleading" as Clinton.

MετάEd

It was also nobody's damn business, with a few exceptions such as his wife.

Cerberus

@MετάEd I'm not talking about that.

You still haven't explained to me how my caption would significantly misrepresent the situation.

That stuff about desecrating a flag means little to me.

MετάEd

1:13 AM

@Cerberus If the media printed that photo with that caption, it would be misleading, not to mention inflammatory.

It is Fox News great.

Cerberus

If so, only to a very minor degree.

MετάEd

@Cerberus You are too modest.

Cerberus

And not in a way that it would change anybody's opinion or misrepresent the situation in Kiev.

MετάEd

It's still good practice.

Cerberus

You're making abstract claims but not providing concrete arguments.

MετάEd

1:15 AM

I don't know why you think so. I was very direct about my reasons for what I said.

Cerberus

How would my caption change anybody's opinion or misrepresent the situation in Kiev?

MετάEd

And now that I have finally gotten payroll to run properly, it is time for me to head home.

Cerberus

@MετάEd Not concrete.

MετάEd

@Cerberus If a big news service led with it? Well, think on that.

Obviously you have little hope that your headline will be noticed here.

G'nite.

Cerberus

@MετάEd I'm not a big news service. And any such photo would have an explanation of the Ukrainian conflict.

Fine, flee.

I conclude that your accusation is deeply false.

badass

1:20 AM

2

Q: What the fuck just happened?

I just logged on and found that, no doubt for my convenience, everything on the ELU page was now in a different place. No doubt someone would like to take responsibility for this putative improvement. If so, do you spose they could give us a conversion table for finding the stuff we're used to? ...

discussion

tchrist

2:15 AM

There is somebody living in my garage, but I don’t know who it is. By morning, I’ll find out.

I put the car outside, carefully swept the floor, and set down four little bowls, at some distance from each other.

One contains wet cat food, one contains dry cat food, one contains some old cornbread, and one contains mixed bird seed that’s heavy in sunflower seeds.

I covered the area with a substantial layer of a powdery mix of baking soda and corn starch, evenly distributed.

By morning, I shall have learned who my guest is.

For they cannot get to the food without leaving prints.

Hm. I didn’t put out any lettuce, but I doubt that it is a rabbit.

Cerberus

Ah, how clever.

tchrist

Thank you.

Cerberus

Could it be a scary animal?

tchrist

No.

I’m not scared of animals.

It could be a feral cat, or a fox, or a possum, or racoon, or a skunk.

Cerberus

Okay.

Bear?

tchrist

2:19 AM

I don’t think there’s enough room where it’s hiding for a bear or lion, unless it’s just a cub.

I took Loren out in the garage, which he inspected.

He then scrambled under the car with all his hair standing on end, including on his now-bristling tail.

He was quite freaked.

And then Loren sneezed.

And then somebody else sneezed, or seem to, from the hiding area.

It sounded kinda similar, suggesting another carnivore more than some rodent or lagomorph.

I’m betting it’s a possum but hoping it’s a cat.

Had to pick Loren (well, Lorin) up because he was so scared of whatever he figured out was back there.

He’s not a muriphobe.

He eats those.

The mice live on the other side of the garage, anyway.

And you wouldn’t hear them sneeze.

Well, if it was a sneeze.

It could have been a return-bark from a possum or fox, I suppose.

I guess it could even be a little coyote, but I doubt it.

Anonymous

This is a tricky sentence. After several hours of deliberating with his law partner about hiring an administrative assistant for the heavy paperwork, Mr. Collins made the decision that Jane Collard - the plump, blonde middle-aged woman with pink glasses - were chosen for the vacant secretarial position.

tchrist

It’s where all the tents and sleeping bags and spare blankets and tarps and such are stored.

Anonymous

I think I should use the past subjunctive.

tchrist

The perfect place to hide and keep warm. We’re at about zero now, and still falling.

No, use "be".

Anonymous

I consulted it with a librarian, but the librarian told me that I should use "would be".

@tchrist This is the past tense.

tchrist

2:24 AM

@Anonymous So?

Cerberus

@tchrist Could it have been a growl?

tchrist

This isn’t Latin.

@Cerberus No, sounded like a cough or sneeze.

Anonymous

@tchrist It matters if you are talking about past subjunctive or present subjunctive of to be.

tchrist

Wrong.

I demand that she be here on time.

Anonymous

@tchrist Explain, please.

tchrist

2:25 AM

Yesterday I demanded that she be here on time.

You do not switch from the bare-infinitive form.

The were form means something else.

Cerberus

@Anonymous In English, the past subjunctive is not used after commands, only in certain other, specific situations, such as hypothetical conditions and after a few verbs like suppose that.

@tchrist The present subjunctive.

tchrist

@Anonymous In Spanish or Portuguese or Italian, you would do what you are saying. But not in English.

@Cerberus Yes, I know.

Cerberus

@Anonymous After a command, use either should + inf., or the present subjunctive, which is formally identical with the infinitive.

tchrist

The present-vs-past of the main clause doesn’t matter for commands.

Cerberus

So either should be or be. The tense of the main clause doesn't matter.

tchrist

2:27 AM

@Cerberus Or other modals, like must.

Cerberus

Yeah OK.

Anonymous

@Cerberus @tchrist Can you provide a reference, or at least know the name of this phenomenon?

Cerberus

@tchrist But only after some commands. And even then, I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer should or the present subjunctive.

tchrist

“Name” of the phenomenon? It’s simply how the mandative subjunctive works in English.

Cerberus

@Anonymous Google "command should subjunctive".

Anonymous

2:29 AM

Another tricky sentence is one that has two subjunctives. "He said it was essential that Johan guard the box." He said that it was essential that Johan guard the box. Apparently, guard is subjunctive; however, was is not taken as subjunctive. Care to explain the pattern?

@tchrist Mandative subjunctive. Got it.

tchrist

It’s used for things besides commands, kinda, like insists.

Where there is a clear subjunctive-vs-indicative distinction in the subordinate clause, completely changing the meaning.

Cerberus

@Anonymous englishpage.com/minitutorials/subjunctive.html

This page explains it well enough.

tchrist

The past subjunctive is used only for hypotheticals. Suppose she were to arrive early.

Cerberus

@Anonymous The present subjunctive only comes after main clauses that express a command or suggestion, not after "said that". But "it is essential that" counts as a suggestion/command, so the subordinate clause following it takes should or the present subjunctive.

Anonymous

@tchrist Why do you post many short blurbs in a successive manner? You just did it before I entered the room.

tchrist

2:32 AM

If only this Anonymous person were to tell us what her native language was, we could better map the English grammatical structures to it.

@Anonymous Because nothing succeeds like success.

@Cerberus Well, it takes the subjunctive, for whatever the reason.

Anonymous

@tchrist You assume persons of unknown gender with the feminine pronoun?

tchrist

If you ping me again, I’m going to flag you to a moderator. Please stop.

KitSox

HAMMERTIME!

Cerberus

@tchrist What do you mean?

@tchrist Calm down.

tchrist

I just know it takes the subjunctive.

I don’t know that I want to call it a command.

Cerberus

2:35 AM

A command or suggestion.

tchrist

It is absolutely critical that this be understood before she continues.

Cerberus

Same.

Anonymous

Apparently, tchrist does not mind when Cerberus pings tchrist.

tchrist

Yesterday, it was absolutely critical that this be understood before she continued.

Hm, that one I would use were for.

Strange.

Cerberus

@Anonymous That was probably a reaction to your "why do you post in short blurbs?".

tchrist

2:36 AM

I think I shouldn’t use were there. I think I’m romantically entangled.

Cerberus

I think it's not impossible in rare cases.

Anonymous

@Cerberus So... does that mean that tchrist was/were/be/is/whatever offended?

tchrist

If I can find the elu blog room, there a ref there with all the super-exotic cases.

Cerberus

The problem with the original were example is that it wasn't—or shouldn't be—a real command or suggestion at all.

tchrist

My polite request was ignored. Shall I phrase it as a command?

Cerberus

2:39 AM

@Anonymous Not offended, but irritated. There are lots of things going on in his life now, so let's all be mild.

Anonymous

On the other hand, you have a sentence like so: "Susan decides that..."

tchrist

Of course, that would be imperative not subjunctive — as though that were two different things.

Cerberus

In your example sentence, I would say Susan decided to appoint...

Anonymous

@Cerberus How do you know that tchrist is/be/were/was/whatever male?

Cerberus

Decide is a bit iffy. I'm not sure I would consider it a real command.

@Anonymous Because I know him.

Anonymous

2:41 AM

@Cerberus What do you mean you know him?

Cerberus

I know him well enough to know he is a man.

Anonymous

@Cerberus Oh. I thought you met him in person.

tchrist

@Anonymous Go read what this has to say about modally marked forms, and then come back if you have any remaining questions. Make sure to read the entire section on such.

Anonymous

I always wondered about the be usage in "Fee Fi Fo Fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman. Be he alive or be he dead, I'll grind his bones to make my bread!"

KitFox

It is harder to get to chat now, and the black bar looks less nice on the EL&U site, but meh.

I still like it OK.

tchrist

2:45 AM

Per my recollection, it starts about 100 pages previous to that, and goes on for some length after that.

KitFox

swishes tail

tchrist

@Anonymous Concessive use: read Visser like I just told you. It’s all in there.

KitFox

I wasn't going to eat her. I just wanted to play with her.

tchrist

Kit always knew I was male. I couldn’t hide it from her. She said I acted male.

Anonymous

How do you act "male"?

KitFox

2:46 AM

Who? Me?

Anonymous

How do you know that KitFox is female?

Is it me, or am I the only person in this chatroom who finds knowing people's genders too creepy?

KitFox

He's seen me naked.

What's creepy about gender?

tchrist

I wasn’t talking about gender.

Just sex.

People who talk about sex are much more interesting that people who talk about gender.

Anonymous

Which definition of "sex" are you using?

KitFox

The interesting one.

!!define sex

KitSox

2:51 AM

@KitFox sex (countable) Either of the main divisions into which many organisms can be placed according to their reproductive functions or organs. (In most organisms, the division is into males and females; some organisms have additional sexes.)

Anonymous

KitSox. KitFox. Names are nearly the same.

tchrist

Sames are nearly the name.

Anonymous

I think the to be verb is one of the trickiest verb in the English language. If I want to use a sentence with the verb, I would just wing it.

Cerberus

That's what I do too.

Crap.

Anonymous

That is what I do. I do what is that.

No, I like "I do that," better.

"I do what is that" just sounds awkward.

However, in some cases, human speech is not grammatically correct.

tchrist

3:00 AM

I can’t believe you’ve already finished reading Visser, and here you are asking questions again already.

Anonymous

In the movie Roots, the characters often say, "You is" instead of "You are".

tchrist

bides

KitFox

Is you is or is you ain't my baby?

Cerberus

@Anonymous That's not standard English, but slang.

Anonymous

@Cerberus Once upon a time in the history of the English language, there was no standard English. You can see quite a few examples in classic literature.

Cerberus

3:15 AM

"Modern" was implicit.

Besides, literature isn't always standard.

Anonymous

@Cerberus non-standard spelling.

Cerberus

Yes.

Anonymous

Not just Middle English or Old English.

But personal spellings.

People would spell things based on what they perceive with their ears.

Nowadays, we have spellcheck. :)

Cerberus

It depends.

> given how difficult it can be for citizens to avoid cellphone location surveillance (Chris Soghoian, principal technologist at the American Civil Liberties Union, told the paper “the only way to hide your location is to disconnect from our modern communication system and live in a cave”), it may be the most startling NSA leak to date.

I may agree with this.

Anonymous

I rarely use spellcheck, because I like to reread my writings.

@Cerberus Alternative option: don't own a cell phone.

Cerberus

3:20 AM

But that is a problem.

I don't want to be without a cell phone.

Anonymous

A landline phone is not that bad.

I grew up in the 1990s; I didn't own a cell phone then.

Cerberus

A landline phone is a lot worse than a mobile phone.

Anonymous

Oh, how fast times have changed! At one point of my life, I was using a floppy disk. Nowadays, I just use a USB drive to save my files.

Cerberus

Nowadays, I use Dropbox and my phone to save my files.

Anonymous

I once read an academic article from the 1980s about the perceptions of homosexuality. According to the article, the majority of the people surveyed thought that homosexuality was a psychiatric disorder.

Cerberus

3:32 AM

Who were those people?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mitch you shut your sauce box!

Anonymous

@Cerberus I have to look that up.

RegDwigнt

9:51 AM

So why do notifications now appear in a purse? Or is that a European carry-all?

Matt Эллен

10:06 AM

@RegDwigнt I think it's meant to be an "inbox tray"

RegDwigнt

Actually I know what it is. It's an open envelope.

Hm. Or perhaps you're right.

So yeah, I think purse is the word.

Matt Эллен

10:19 AM

Grease is the word

RegDwigнt

Nonono, you mean Footloose.

Matt Эллен

Maybe I meant Flash Dance

RegDwigнt

We will never know!

badass

10:43 AM

This is GREAT! with my mobile phone I can now simultaneously watch two entire chat rooms :D

I have now taken "lurking" to an entirely new level...

Matt Эллен

why are you limited to two?

badass

I want to see the entire rooms at one time.

Matt Эллен

ah

badass

If I start using my lap top, desk top and mobile phone all at the same time, I think I should go see a psych...

Matt Эллен

!!wiki norman bates

KitSox

10:50 AM

Norman Bates

{| class="infobox" style="width: 21em; font-size: 90%; text-align: left" |- ! colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | Psycho character |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center;"| |- ! colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-size: larger; background-color: #001; color: #ffa;" |Norman Bates |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" |. |- ! Aliases | "Norma" Bates"Normal" Bates |- ! Gender | Male |- |- ! Born: | April 12, 1934 |- |- ! Race | Caucasian |- ! Relationships | John/Sam Bates (father)Norma Bates (mother)Emma Spool (maternal aunt)Dr. Constance "Connie" Forbes-Bates (wife)Dyla...

Matt Эллен

Is he psycho enough?

badass

Yes, thank you.

!!wiki lurking

KitSox

Lurker

In Internet culture, a lurker is typically a member of an online community who observes, but does not actively participate. The exact definition depends on context. Lurkers make up a large proportion of all users in online communities. Lurking allows users to learn the conventions of an online community before they actively participate, improving their socialization when they eventually de-lurk. Lurkers are referred to using many different names, including browsers, read-only participants, non-public participants, legitimate peripheral participants, or vicarious learners. History Si...

badass

11:13 AM

1% rule (Internet culture)

In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. A variant is the "90–9–1 principle" (sometimes also presented as the 89:10:1 ratio), which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only view content, 9% of the participants edit content, and 1% of the participants actively create new content. Both can be compared with the similar rules known to informatio...

badass

11:41 AM

@OliverSalzburg where can I get a hat like that?

Oliver Salzburg

@badass It was a gift

badass

icic

RegDwigнt

1:08 PM

66

Q: Has Stack Overflow saved billions of dollars in programmer productivity?

John Carmack is a reknown developer and CTO. His Twitter account has over 100,000 followers. In occasion of Stack Exchange's 5th anniversary, he quipped on Twitter: [... Stack Overflow] has probably added billions of dollars of value to the world in increased programmer productivity. The t...

economics quotes programming-productivity

Matt Эллен

that doesn't take into account the number of hours spent on SO, when one should be working

RegDwigнt

Right on. Obvious first thought is obvious.

Or, as someone put it on Reddit, "Terrible programmers who have to rely on StackOverflow for every damn thing they do have saved a lot of time. Good programmers who spend a lot of time on StackOverflow answering questions for imaginary internet points have wasted a lot of time."

Matt Эллен

:D yes

although that ignores the mediocre programmers who give useful answers (maybe not the most useful) and ask questions.

Mitch

@Cerberus You said "We once had a reading night where a Persian friend read Persian poems to us. The sound and rhythm were very nice, but of course we didn't understand a thing."

and s/Persian//g means I agree with what you say if you replaced Persian with nothing, i.e. All poetry sounds nice but I can't understand a thing.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 gobsmacked!

Literally!

Wait were you the one who posted this:

mentalfloss.com/article/53529/…

Matt Эллен

1:27 PM

There once was a chatter called Mitch
With a poetry reading itch
He was stumped at the start
By reading this art
But the sounds of it did him bewitch

Mitch

I think someone just made that all up.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch look at the star wall

Mitch

Yeah.

@MattЭллен That sounds nice, but what are you getting at?

Matt Эллен

who knows.

Mitch

That's a great bit of nanty-narking.

Matt Эллен

1:30 PM

Don't try to sell me a dog

Mitch

You...you... nose-bagger.

Matt Эллен

Well now I'm right poked up

Are we going to be shaking the flannin?

@Mitch I've heard "dizzying age" before

Mitch

Sorry, I'm all out of flannin.

Matt Эллен

best get back to chewing gum

Mitch

"a maiden or other woman canvassed by other maiden ladies or others.” - 'canvas'? How does that work here?

Matt Эллен

1:36 PM

as in "asked questions"?

hmmm

Mitch

"a maiden or other woman asked questions by other maiden ladies or others.” nope still don't get it

Matt Эллен

well, as a sentence it makes sense, but in the context it doesn't

Mitch

Oh...context... it's from that sites explanation of 'dizzying age'

Matt Эллен

:D

I think it means "to entangle"

Mitch

I mean... what kind of questions? I want to know that.

Matt Эллен

1:38 PM

so, they've surrounded her

Mitch

because she's so old?

badass

Does anyone know how to get out of "mobile" mode?

Mitch

Yeah...stand still.

Matt Эллен

!!rimshot

KitSox

@MattЭллен Hey, diggy diggy

badass

1:39 PM

in the bottom right corner of the screen there is a "mobile" icon, do you know how I can get back to the normal mode once in the mobile mode?

Mitch

Or better click the link at the bottom of your pgae for desktop.

badass

There are no links :(

Mitch

oh.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch yes. OED also cites "To subject to attack or assault." as a menaing of canvas

@badass there's a menu at the bottom. clicking that brings up a menu with a "full site" option. that brings you back to normal

Mitch

@MattЭллен Why would they attack this presumably older maiden. Is she some kind of threat? She knows something they don't and they're jealous? She has the keys to the sauce-box? Has she been selling a dog to the cat-lap? Or are her gas-pipes too ...gassy?

Matt Эллен

1:45 PM

@Mitch probably young folk being mean to old folk.

another meaning is

> To buffet or ‘thrash’ (a person) in writing; to criticize destructively and unsparingly.

badass

@MattЭллен Thanks that worked... I thought "full site" meant all the chat rooms in the site, so didn't try it >8(

I didn't try to put it into the context of the other links

Matt Эллен

no probs :)

Matt Эллен

2:06 PM

@Mitch yes, here: publicdomainreview.org/2013/01/29/…

badass

Praying for the return of skullpatrol :D

Mitch

@MattЭллен "All my eye and Betty Martin"

Matt Эллен

2:22 PM

"Twiggy vous the chose"

Cerberus

Hello.

Matt Эллен

Hello.

Cerberus

Soo...

Bitcoin is climbing out of a small dip, now is your chance!

Matt Эллен

no, it's about to crash to $500 USD

Mitch

@Cerberus Really? classic bubble market. will crash soon (hopefully back to levels from a month ago.)

Matt Эллен

2:34 PM

saturation of interest

badass

and fat

Matt Эллен

peaking at $1200 then dipping to $1000 then peaking at $1200 again and it's dipped back down to $1000

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Oh noes!

@Mitch But it has risen even higher after each dip in the past...

Matt Эллен

no it hasn't. it's last peak was lower than the peak before (maybe by only a few dollars, but still)

Cerberus

And what have you done to my Internet? Why have you eaten most of the speed?

@MattЭллен What do you call its last peak?

I'm talking about periods of a month or so.

The highest opening rate ever was last night.

Matt Эллен

2:39 PM

the left peak is higher than the right peak

that's the median price

Mitch

Matt Эллен

the closing price was higher

Mitch

Cerberus

@Mitch My graph tells me otherwise.

Mitch

the speed of the rise is the speed of the fall.

your graph is over too short a time.

Cerberus

2:41 PM

Today, 6 AM: open 896, high 896.

Second-highest peak: November 30, 5 AM: open 882, high 890.

Mitch

But that's not a reason to buy now, it's a great reason to sell now.

Cerberus

But I'm talking about a larger scale anyway.

Mitch

I hear d that there was a bank theft of some bitcoins. How does that happen?

Cerberus

But it's 791 now, and rising.

@Mitch People store their bitcoins on a website, and people steal the coins from the website's computer. You should store them on your own computer. On a back-up disc, even. And with a password. All of which is really easy to do.

(It's 791 now, and rising.)

Matt Эллен

Pumblechook

Cerberus

2:48 PM

Really?

Matt Эллен

You're a bit of a sapper

Mitch

That's make a stuffed bird laugh.

Cerberus

Haha wtf....

Where did you find that?

Mitch

@MattЭллен a 'sssappeur'?

Matt Эллен

I don't speak French, so I don't know

@Cerberus here

Cerberus

2:53 PM

My Internet is soooo slow.

Ah, the full book!

Matt Эллен

yes indeed

Mitch

well, it's a sapper, a military engineer. but my question was about the 'sssss...'

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus the language is much more streamlined and straightforward than Ursula LeGuin's, for example. There are bits all over the place that do suggest he is indeed capable of more, so I assume it's a conscious decision on his part to keep it simple. I suppose that helps with the popularity. Jack felt X, John wore Y, and the night was falling.

Cerberus

@Mitch That's the ablative dual.

@RegDwigнt That is simple indeed...well, keep us posted.

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