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6:00 AM
A small child brags to her friend, "I taught my dog to whistle." "Wow!" says the other, "Let's hear!" "Oh, he can't whistle," replies the first. "Why not? I thought you said you taught him!" "I did! He just didn't learn it."
 
Preach it.
 
I think it's unreasonable to expect teachers to remember everything they've learned to the extent that they can teach it to students.
I have definitely learned about many things in Biology.
But in 20 years, I doubt I'll remember all of it.
I won't need to. (assuming a career that has nothing to do with Biology)
 
@Mahnax You surely can teach as long as you know.
Otherwise, you haven't learnt.
 
So if I truly "learn" something, I'll remember it for the rest of my life, is that what you're saying?
 
You won't 'remember' it for the rest of your life given that your brain deteriorates as time goes by.
 
6:05 AM
Exactly.
 
But forgetting quadratic equations is inexcusable.
 
@DavidWallace Why?
 
Because they're so basic.
 
@DavidWallace Maybe not having a clue of what to do after you learned them is inexcusable.
 
It's like forgetting the difference between "to" and "too".
 
6:07 AM
@DavidWallace there's plenty of people over the Internet with that problem.
 
OK, I'll rephrase that.
It's like a native speaker of English forgetting the difference between "to" and "too".
Or forgetting the dates of the Second World War.
 
Not really—that's a single letter, and those words get used frequently.
 
Or forgetting what forms when sodium hydroxide is added to hydrochloric acid.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ugh, now I had to restore to ICS...
 
Or forgetting an approximate value of pi.
 
6:10 AM
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
 
@DavidWallace Yet there are people like that... some Miss Universe contestants.
 
I did say "a well educated adult with a teaching qualification".
 
@DavidWallace some of them are professional, have majors...
But nowadays memorizing something and taking a test gets you a title.
 
Some of whom?
 
Quite frankly, this discussion is not helping me get my homework done. So I'm going to stop arguing with you about this, and get back to writing my commentary.
 
6:12 AM
You STILL haven't written it?
 
I have to write six of them.
This is #6.
 
@Cerberus My offer of pen and paper is still open.
 
I'm not a slacker.
 
This isn't funny.
 
@Mahnax You said that like two days ago, and you haven't still started?
 
6:13 AM
I can't even load ICS.
 
@Mahnax Thank goodness I'm no longer at secondary school.
 
@ChairOTP No, I didn't.
I said I have to write six of them.
 
My phone is effectively dead now.
 
But two days ago, I would have been working on #4 or #5.
 
crying
 
6:14 AM
@Mahnax how long each one?
 
@ChairOTP A page or so.
Nothing major, just boring.
 
Opinions or what exactly?
 
You should have submitted the topic of your commentary as the topic for yesterday's "writers' chat" exercise.
 
@ChairOTP Sort of.
 
@Mahnax Then it can't be that boring.
 
6:16 AM
@ChairOTP False.
 
Criticism is one of the things humans do best.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Okay, now I can't even get into Recovery mode any more, so I have to wipe all data....
 
Nah, I'm being exaggeratory. My last one was actually enjoyable to write for some reason.
 
@DavidWallace By the way we left our discussion in the middle of nowhere.
 
But the first few, yeesh.
 
6:18 AM
@Mahnax I find more enjoyable proving something wrong or not so good, than agreeing with it.
 
@Cerberus Imagine if I had to throw away my exercise books every time I sharpened my pencil.
 
@DavidWallace What do you think this quote means?
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
 
It means "John Junior thinks nobody was listening when he said exactly the same thing several minutes ago"?
 
Nobody answered :(
 
Err, my dinner just arrived. Later y'all.
 
6:21 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Okay, so I was able to boot into ICS, at last.
Damn.
I should have made a back-up!!
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Strange timing...
 
@JohnJunior depends on what you mean by education.
 
@ChairOTP I believe your discussion should conclude with the above quote.
 
@JohnJunior Oh, I was talking about the discussion about limits.
 
@ChairOTP Limits are something learned in school.
 
6:24 AM
@JohnJunior They are indeed, but we were discussing about a particular thing.
 
@ChairOTP How does that particular thing make an impact on your education?
 
@JohnJunior I consider myself as a really curious person, and as long as I can, I like to go beyond what I'm taught.
 
@ChairOTP Going beyond the limits?
 
@JohnJunior pun?
 
@ChairOTP Sort of, but you have to study limits before you can understand how to go beyond them, no?
 
6:30 AM
@JohnJunior When I said limits, I was talking about maths, but putting it that way, I wouldn't consider what we're taught at school as a limit.
 
It is a limit within the time given to the school.
You are using your own time to go beyond.
 
At least where I live, you're supposed to study at least two hours at home what you learned, but if you already mastered it, why don't go further? But no one does that, they just take that as spare time, I do take it, occasionally.
 
@ChairOTP So let's say after you have forgotten the particulars about math limits what is left behind is your education about them. What one thing do you think you will always remember about them, as they relate to real life?
 
@JohnJunior I might forget how to solve some problems about limits, but I think I will not forget the definition of a limit.
 
Oh @Cerb, what's wrong with your phone?
 
6:40 AM
@ChairOTP So you equate definitions with education?
 
And hello.
 
@Gigili I have no idea! It wouldn't boot, after I installed some music player.
 
@JohnJunior I tend to associate education with your behaviour, your manners, and so on. While knowledge, is the answer I gave you previously.
 
@Cerberus Oh, dear. It is still under warranty, isn't it?
 
@ChairOTP So your knowledge about the definition of a limit will have no affect on your behaviour, your manners, and so on?
 
6:47 AM
@JohnJunior I couldn't find the original quote in English but "A lot of people are too educated to talk with their mouth full, but they do not care doing it with their head empty" -Orson Welles.
 
@Gigili Well, this is a software issue, and it is rooted, so warranty doesn't cover that. But I have done a factory reset, and it works again. So no panic, just lots of work ahead...
 
@ChairOTP Do you want to try and answer my question?
Your knowledge about the definition of a limit will have no affect on your behaviour, your manners, and so on?
It must have some affect or you wouldn't have said you will always remember it, no?
 
@JohnJunior As you could extrapolate from my previous answer, 'having nothing in your head' does not necessarily affects on your behaviour.
 
@Cerberus It reminds me of what you said, that the box was opened.
 
Neither should 'having knowledge that can be rationally connected with the way you are"
 
6:52 AM
@Gigili I don't know...if someone sent it in with a software issue, they would either fix it and give it back, or not fix it and give it back.
 
@Cerberus Yes, only the latter is more probable.
 
@JohnJunior Take it as if you would have never gone to school... then you'd be left with nothing, and that's not right.
 
@ChairOTP What does it mean to have "knowledge that can be rationally connected with the way you are"?
 
@JohnJunior Connecting mathematical limits with the way you are, is not something really rational, but connecting cultural knowledge with they way you are, sounds more rational to me.
 
@Gigili Yeah, and people would find our how to restore factory settings themselves.
Your GN is still working fine?
 
7:07 AM
@ChairOTP OK let's say you studied Social Studies with this excellent teacher who connected cultural knowledge with the way you are. After say 30 years you forgot what that particular course was about but you remembered how articulate he was, so the education he provided to you was the power of articulation, correct?
 
@JohnJunior where do you want to get?
 
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
 
@JohnJunior Coming from Einstein, I'll go with, it's relative.
 
@ChairOTP This is not a quote about relativity.
It's about education.
 
@JohnJunior "that's saying that when you learn things in school, you develop. Later on, you forget the things you've learned, but the development remains."
development: An extension of the theoretical or practical aspects of a concept, design, discovery, or invention.
 
7:14 AM
Yes, but do you believe that?
 
I believe that when he said 'you forgot everything you learned in school' he meant formulas you memorized, tricks, short cuts, etc... but the education that remains is the process you had to go through to learn that.
 
@ChairOTP It is sort of like if you were brilliant and you fell down and lost your memory would you still be brilliant?
 
@Cerberus I'm so sorry for making light of your phone issues earlier. They do sound serious. You do have my sympathy. I hope you manage to get it resolved satisfactorily.
 
@Cerberus I opened the box only a few days ago, and I am waiting for my new SIM card to use the phone officially. Luckily the box wasn't opened!
 
@JohnJunior In case you lose your memory, and from your affirmation I suppose you say brilliant= amount of knowledge, then you will be no longer brilliant. But as the time goes by, we don't forget everything, we might not remember concepts as clear as we used to, but we still have that little sparkle of knowledge that pushes us to think, to reason how it's done.
 
7:21 AM
@DavidWallace It's OK, the panic is over: all my data are gone, but the phone is in working order again (I had all important data backed up in the cloud, so I have lost nothing but time and effort, thankfully).
@Gigili Cool!
Although, are you sure the box wasn't opened? (Not that it matters.)
 
@ChairOTP The education that remains is the development of your brain during the process you had to go through to learn that.
Getting there isn't half the fun; it's all of the fun :)
 
@JohnJunior I think it's more fun to use that development to take it all back.
 
@ChairOTP Take what back?
 
The knowledge.
If you had it once, why can't you have it again?
 
@ChairOTP You mean remember it?
...after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
 
7:29 AM
@JohnJunior No, to use the development you have left, to have the knowledge again, otherwise you were left with nothing.
 
@Cerberus Ugh, I hate it when that happens.
@Cerberus Well, umm, yes, quite sure. 99.99 percent!
 
@Gigili I should have made a back-up!
@Gigili They usually stick a new seal on top of the old (broken) seal.
So it is very hard to spot.
My box had that.
 
Based on my own experience. Some things that I had 'forgotten' but that some parts weren't missing helped me to 're-learn' those things that were missing. This time, easier.
@JohnJunior I really should get going, we might continue this discussion tomorrow. Or I don't know.
Goodbye everyone.
 
later
 
But now that I think more carefully about it, my ex-boyfriend might have opened it.
Or not.
@ChairOTP Have fun.
 
7:34 AM
It doesn't matter anyway, as long as the phone works!
 
As long as I didn't pay for it, hehe.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:54 AM
@JohnJunior effect. Affect is when you kill someone spontaneously even though you should know better.
 
9:09 AM
@ЯegDwight Thank you Sir :)
 
No prob.
 
9:31 AM
hallo
 
> I think that this statement is saying something slightly different about education than the first statement. Now-er-days, students etc. are often encouraged to think, 'outside the box'. In science there is something known as a paradigm switch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift
Robin is the next Xavier.
I read through this answer a few times and now I feel like I don't understand English anymore.
 
well his English comprehension is about the same.
junx
 
> Somehow this reads like a random assortment of thoughts that are loosely connected or not connected at all, with gratuitous idioms thrown in for reasons unexplained. – ЯegDwight ♦ 1 min ago
And that's me trying to be polite, mind you.
 
:D very even handed
 
The nonchalant transition from paradigm switch to paradigm shift alone is quite some something.
 
9:44 AM
"now-er-days" hehe. I've not see that spelling b4
 
That one something alone would suffice. But almost every transition from a sentence to the next is like that.
@MattЭллен that's the cherry.
Note the comma after think as well.
It's subtle. It's a art.
 
Anyway.
The other day on SO, I ran into an accepted answer with seven upvotes that said, and I quote, "This question is identical to this other one: [link]".
 
I think I saw that.
 
It was over a year old, too. So even after I flagged it and it got deleted, he's gonna keep his reps.
 
9:48 AM
did you mention it here, previously?
 
No, I was logged off already.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the only one like that.
 
@ЯegDwight aye. he was useful to someone, I suppose. not sure where all the upvotes came from.
 
@MattЭллен actually it was worse.
Someone voted to close as a dupe, so there was the automatically generated comment, "possible duplicate of bla".
To that comment, the answerer commented back, "yeah, that's what I said! lol"
 
9:51 AM
oh man. was the comment older than the answer?
 
So that a*hole not only collects reps for that, he makes fun of people who do the right thing.
 
that's rabid rep desire if ever I saw it
what a jerk
 
Yeah.
 
> students etc. are often encouraged to think
That's a deep statement.
 
I encourage you to think, @Gigili
 
9:55 AM
thinks
 
my work here is done
apart from closing questions...
 
I discourage you to encourage, @Matt.
 
You want less thinking? Hmmm. Less thoughtful people are easier to control...
 
I encourage you to discourage him to encourage, @ЯegDwight.
 
@Gigili but I already discouraged him!
 
10:07 AM
@ЯegDwight That was quick.
 
I'm closed out for the day
 
@TRiG There's a logician in you? And he screams? Are you aware that cannibalism is illegal?
 
I don't think he ate him
 
That is the point.
 
10:12 AM
If you take a hat similar to Jane literally, I take the logician in you literally. Quid pro quo.
You need coffee, Matt.
 
you could still take it literally and not have it be eaten. But, then I don't drink coffee.
 
OIC. Well, that would be a very naughty interpretation.
This gallery is da bomb: einestages.spiegel.de/s/tb/25501/…
 
where did they find such small people for the top of the statue?
 
Yeah it's mind-boggling.
The article says there were tens of thousands of people, and you look at the first row, and you go, "WTF, that doesn't look like too many people at all".
And then you look at the rows at the top.
This one illustrates it best.
 
Hi, what is the right way to represent currencies that don't have a symbol assigned or one that isn't currently widely adopted? For example — Rs.1,500 or Rs. 1,500 or Rs 1500? (I don't think this is a good question for the main site, is it?)
Rs. = Rupees
 
10:21 AM
Three rows of people in white at the bottom. OVER 9000 rows of people in white in the distance.
 
@its_me The Rand just has an R in front, e.g. R34.50
 
> It is common to find a prefix before the digits denoting the rupee currency value written as "Re. 1" (For one unit), or "Rs. 140" (for more than one rupee). The Indian rupee is represented by the Indian rupee sign.
 
@ЯegDwight literally
 
Indian Rupee is represented using "Rs." and lately by many sites as "Rs" (without a dot) — I am wondering if there should be a space after it?
 
According to Wikipedia, yes.
According to me, too.
 
10:24 AM
@ЯegDwight Okay, thanks!
 
Rs.140 looks like a tank model or something.
 
heh!
 
Xblast time! BBL
 
11:12 AM
@MattЭллен WTH, please.
 
@MattЭллен what is that answer?
Q: Is 'Slang' is a special kind of vocabulary, not of grammar? A: These expressions are a little bit like phrasal verbs.
 
slang is all phrasal verbs. didn't you know?
 
I knew it only a little bit.
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Q: Local newspaper cannot afford spell checker?

Robin MichaelLocal newspaper cannot afford spell checker? Why can't people spell in Scotland? http://www.mearnsleader.co.uk/news/local-headlines/burns-quoir-takes-part-in-local-filming-1-2517212 Burns Quoir takes part in local filming

I smell another self-answer coming.
 
11:33 AM
See? The real title should have been "Local newspaper cannot afford to spell 'checkers'?"
 
Spelling is expensive these days. All the inflation and all. Unbearable!
 
The Manor, also known as Spelling Manor, is a mansion located in the Holmby Hills neighborhood of Los Angeles, California. Constructed in 1988 for television producer Aaron Spelling, it is the largest home in Los Angeles County. It is currently owned by heiress Petra Ecclestone, daughter of Formula One racing magnate Bernie Ecclestone. Ecclestone purchased the home for $85 million after it had been on the market for two years with an asking price of $150 million, making it the most expensive residential real estate listing in the US. Description The Manor is a French chateau-style mansio...
It is expensive to keep Aaron Spelling in the style to which he has become accustomed.
 
That tiny hut is the largest home in LA County?
I mean, come on.
I've seen bigger houses in the 100,000-strong province I live in.
 
He would have built bigger, no doubt, but he has neighbors who refused to sell.
 
That's what I was thinking.
When everybody's rich, nobody is.
 
11:46 AM
That's rich
 
Now there's a mansion.
 
Neuschwanstein Castle (, ) is a 19th-century Romanesque Revival palace on a rugged hill above the village of Hohenschwangau near Füssen in southwest Bavaria, Germany. The palace was commissioned by Ludwig II of Bavaria as a retreat and as an homage to Richard Wagner. Contrary to common belief, Ludwig paid for the palace out of his personal fortune and extensive borrowing, not with Bavarian public funds (see below). The palace was intended as a personal refuge for the reclusive king, but it was opened to the paying public immediately after his death in 1886. Since then over 60 million ...
People actually live there, too.
 
:Not to be confused with Hurst Castle, Henry VIII's Device Fort near Lymington in England. Hearst Castle is a National Historic Landmark mansion located on the Central Coast of California, United States. It was designed by architect Julia Morgan between 1919 and 1947 for newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst, who died in 1951. In 1957, the Hearst Corporation donated the property to the state of California. Since that time it has been maintained as a state historic park where the estate, and its considerable collection of art and antiques, is open for public tours. Despite its locat...
 
A family of four, I think.
 
If you want to view all of Hearst Castle, it takes five 90-minute tours.
 
11:49 AM
I suppose Neuschwanstein is more compact. They only had that one rock to build on.
It seems to be higher, though.
 
> Hearst Castle featured 56 bedrooms, 61 bathrooms, 19 sitting rooms, 127 acres (0.5 km2)[2] of gardens, indoor and outdoor swimming pools, tennis courts, a movie theater, an airfield, and the world's largest private zoo.
 
@Robusto Do these guys have like, I don't know a bat cave underneath the house?
 
@ShyamK They have a whole zoo. No doubt bats as well.
 
Yeah no zoo for Ludwig. Only a grotto.
 
11:51 AM
Spelling's mansion would look like the servants' quarters if you stuck it in San Simeon.
 
That's Hearst's indoor pool. Every bit is covered with a mosaic of 25mm square tiles. I took that picture, btw.
 
Looks like Ludwig's wet dreams.
 
It's Olympic-sized, of course. And there is another, bigger pool outside.
 
Ludwig only ever got this far.
 
12:01 PM
Is this paradise?
 
EL&U chat is, indeed, paradise
for certain values of paradise
 
for certain values of "is"
 
For uncertain values of chat.
 
12:16 PM
Another pool at San Simeon.
 
Yeah that one was in the article.
 
Touring the inside was interesting. I recognized a lot of the paintings and tapestries from my college art history course.
 
@Robusto there's a man in the photo, but I can't see his face, could you go an take one of him from the front?
 
zum Beispiel
@MattЭллен You'll have to handle your own gay porn, sorry.
 
12:30 PM
Neither you nor I, tackled the question of whether saying 'foot' rather than 'feet' has deeper roots. I just thought it was dialect, but 'five foot' when discussing height is much more common than 'five feet'. I will be kind and give you one point as I do admire you. — Robin Michael 2 hours ago
I, wonder whence the comma.
 
3 hours ago, by ЯegDwight
Note the comma after think as well.
He engages in a art or some such.
 
@ЯegDwight What, you think I didn’t notice your feint the first time around so you thought to regurge it?
 
Sep 9 at 22:04, by ЯegDwight
Why do people always insist that I think? I'm not Descartes.
 
Reg, have you read The Lord of the Rings in English, not in translation?
 
No.
 
12:45 PM
Ah.
 
It's on my list.
I have too much to read.
 
It is supposedly very difficult for non-native speakers, but I know native speakers (who don’t read much) who have had trouble with it but non-native polyglots who found its language wonderful.
We all have too much to read.
 
I have enough books I know nothing about. Those are of higher priority, obviously.
 
You might have an edge over many continentals, with your stronger knowledge of German. Do you know any Scandinavian languages? Tolkien draws on Middle English, Old Norse, and proto-Germanic for some of his words, modernizing them.
 
Commute.
 
12:48 PM
CU
 
bye r
I am really going to find one of my three copies of Borges’s El Alef one of these days, and dig out his wonderful quote about every librarian having books he knows nothing of, or something like that.
 
The Library of Babel?
 
Yes.
 
Never read it. Did read quite some metaanalysis.
 
I can only find the text of the actual story online. But in the published book, it has an epigraph at the front. It’s that which I am looking for, I think.
The online versions lack the epigraph. Epigram?
Looks like it is epigraph. Probably.
What happened to Cerb’s computer? Lost disk?
 
12:54 PM
> By this art you may contemplate the variation of the 23 letters…
This?
 
No, it’s a quote that uses the word library in it.
Well, biblioteca, but you get the idea. It doesn’t matter the language. The original epigraph is in the same language as the story, so both would be translated.
 
I'm looking at Russian right now. The above quote is not translated.
 
Oh, interesting.
I’m scanning the Spanish for occurrences of biblio* in case it is actually a sentence within instead of an epigraph.
None of those ring bells. It’s a very short story. Gosh, now I have a Quest.
 

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