OK, I have to go. Later my peoples!

Me too, bye!

@KitFox cu!

au revoir @Mahnax

Bye.

And bye.

@Cerberus I don't really know.

OK.

apparently she's a local girl

has a BA(hons) in geography

or as we called it in my day, colouring in

Hmm.

Hahaha.

I see.

At least she isn't a lawyer or a business woman.

but that's because everybody looks down on somebody, even psychologists

@Cerberus yeah, but being from Oxford and going to Oxford uni (like Cameron and Johnson did) is kinda iffy

Hmm in what way?

it's the old boys club - not what you know but who

Well, the old-boys club isn't necessarily corrupt or brainwashed?

Or are they?

I don't know but it's not based on someone's qualifications, but where they went to university and who's friend's with whom.

but I guess that's politics all over

Yeah, here it is more about how long you have spent working your way up in your party's hierarchy.

But then of course competence plays some part.

Boris Johnson is mayor of London. They guy takes every opportunity to look like a nincompoop

but then he was elected twice, so I guess maybe he's alright

Weird.

I wish all people were smart and nice.

Then they would vote for nice politicians.

yeah, but most people think they are smart and nice :D

> I don't see any good questions in the Definition of this site that aren't already hosted by the English Stack Exchange. I'm not inclined to create a site built on the antithesis of another site (i.e. that which is "too basic" or "too low quality" for another site).

O-ha.

I guess we'll wait and see. But good to know.

@RegDwightΒВB Who said that?

Robert Cartaino.

That's his picture right there.

Our Community Coordinator, in case you need to ask.

@RegDwightΒВB Not a fanboi, sorry.

Hmm.

Well, I guess it's not really surprising.

> I don't see any good questions in the Definition of this site that aren't already hosted by the English Stack Exchange. I'm not inclined to create a site built on the antithesis of another site (i.e. that which is "too basic" or "too low quality" for another site).

Hmm. Maybe that's because people culled those question directly from ELU?

> Most sites at least perport [sic] to be experts talking to experts ...

Well we could do this the opposite way then, like Maths Overflow vs Maths.se EL&U can be thrown to the dogs, change the rules to let shit be asked here. We could start a new English site where the rules are much tighter

@MattЭллен I think RC would recognize that ploy for what it is.

Nah, I'm not doing this all over again.

I'd rather go bowling.

Speaking of bowling, how's the gullet, @Reg?

Why thank you. Better, in point of fact.

But it scared the shit out of me so I'm not stopping until it's 100% healed.

Does Turkey qualify as a third-world country?

@Robusto yeah, probably

I haven't seen enough of Turkey to have an opinion. Or Germany or Russia or the US, for that matter.

@RegDwightΒВB What happened?

@Robusto Depends on your definition.

But we did have that discussion with my wife on our very last day there. How we always thought that the Turks were such cheapskates and lacking in the taste department in favor of the kitsch department, etc., and how we always thought that it was just those poor immigrants, you know.

Well turns out they are happily exactly just like that at home.

According to the traditional definition (neither in the West nor communist), it was a Third-World country. Nowadays, I think the term is a bit meaningless.

Parts of the U.S. I would consider borderline third-world.

They sell the same cheap shit, they wear the same kitsch makeup, and they have the same awful bluish energy saving light in their homes.

@RegDwightΒВB Hmm I have met many civilized Turks.

Take New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. How quickly we forget.

In Turkey, not here.

@Cerberus I am not saying they are uncivilized. I am saying the exact opposite thing, in a way.

Kitsch is civilized now?

Kitsch is part of civilization.

Well.

Then everybody is civilized.

Kitsch is strong evidence for civilization.

Then is civilized a meaningful category?

@Robusto people forget everything. It's only a question of time till you'll get tied up in another land war in Asia.

It's civilization that hasn't been kept in the fridge.

@RegDwightΒВB So it seems.

@Cerberus you brought that word to the table.

I was actually making a point. Instead you happily ignored it and started discussing labels. Which you always do, you philospher, you.

Yes. And by that I meant somewhat refined.

like a dog in a waistcoat?

Wasn't it clear that my "civilized" was meant to contrast your observations?

Contrast to what?

And to what end?

@MattЭллен Is that kitsch or not?

@SpareOom it is somewhat refined, wouldn't you say?

This replied to your line:

But nobody remembers history. Everybody is part of this gigantic Short-Attention-Span Theater that goes around reacting to the latest stimulus — ooh, squirrel! — and forgetting all about what happened last time we responded to that stimulus.

That doesn't answer either of my questions.

@MattЭллен I have conflicting thoughts about dressing up pets.

@SpareOom me too. I don't have pets

I contrasted "civilized" with your description of gaudy Turks. Is that not clear?

If I did, I wouldn't dress them up. I would clothe them if necessary

I suppose there's no conflict, except with people who put poodles in darth vader outfits

I did see lots of piercings and earrings. We don't have that.

@MattЭллен I had a dog that I put a jacket on when it was well below freezing in Wisconsin, but the Hollywood idea of treating them like dolls is just silly, in my opinion.

@Cerberus I don't see anything about my description that is uncivilized, and I certainly didn't intend it to be.

@MattЭллен Awww ... that's so cute. I wonder if they ever put Darth Vader in a poodle outfit. That would be worthy of the name kitsch.

lol

@RegDwightΒВB Anyway, fill in "the opposite of gaudy", then.

@SpareOom yes, exactly

@MattЭллен Agreed.

They were more into designer crap, like many ehm people here.

@Robusto Don't they have pet stores for the "elite"pet?

@SpareOom "They" have anything and everything. Always have, always will.

And with that I must be off to PT. CU laterz.

Bye.

Bye.

CU Robusto

I mean, is this anyway to treat a whippet?

@Cerberus I was just saying, here you can't help but look at them and think, gosh, they dress all cheap and shop at Aldi and their homes don't look cozy with just three pieces of furniture drowing in that cold light. It turns out that's totally normal for them, they live exactly just like that on their home soil.

In fact I now remember bits and pieces from visiting Dagestan as a child, there are a few parallels.

@RegDwightΒВB Yes, and I was saying that I didn't get that impression, at least not in Istanbul.

@MattЭллен Image not found.

@MattЭллен any way.

Differences between the city and the country will be great there, even greater than here.

Of course.

But that's the point.

@SpareOom dog in AT AT costume

Cities start looking all the same all over the world.

A McDonald's here, an Armani there.

I find countryside way more intriguing.

No one would live with that tomb light in France, countryside or not. But in Turkey they would.

I have seen tomb light in Europe.

Yes, in tombs.

But they were nice tombs.

The Italian countryside, for example.

No doubt they were.

Often very very crappy.

Yes, Italian countryside is beautiful and varied.

Anyway. I'm still scratching my head which direction TPTB want us to take.

I guess we'll have to wait for that Google post first.

But one thing's for sure, a couple more 180s will be my ticket out of here.

Do they know themselves?

Is there a history here?

The transcript. You are expected to know it by heart.

damn it gets back to reading

Yeah, sorry, I don't live here and don't read that fast.

I will write slower

AFK

No, I mean to catch up with the history.

hey Cerberus is helping

@SpareOom I'm just joking. Which history you need? I have a few on offer.

Hi Everyone! Just quick query! Does any one know about any good resource of Hindi-English translation?

Not me, sorry. I wish I knew anything at all about Hindi.

no Idea, sorry

Well, from what I can gather, it looks like there are too many bad questions and answers, so there's a proposal to make a new English as second language site to keep this one only for better quality questions.

Actually it just occurs to me how few Indians we have in this room.

I think ShreevatsaR did visit a couple times.

@RegDwightΒВB I guess I just wonder what led up to all that.

Any other interesting history is welcome as well.

@RegDwightB - Thank you. I ll ask him.. Actually my mother tongue is Hindi, and its very easy to master a new language whiling referencing with your mother tongue.

But is has to be condensed in order for me to catch up.

@SpareOom well yeah. Rather than flipping off all those poor people who wonder if they should say "give me a chair" or "give me chair" — which is a very legitimate question, in point of fact —, we want to build them an all-new shiny home.

I just became a member few days, it is an awesome platform. How are the operations funded here?

@Jbean I have no idea if he speaks any Hindi at all. You have so many different languages over there!

@Jbean it's a privately held thingy. Have a look at this page: stackexchange.com/about/management

Bah Matt beats me to it.

Why do I even bother.

it's a race! if you don't bother I will never lose, and that would be a shame

Continuing @SpareOom: but now we have a first sign of TPTB not wanting us to build that home, for reasons not quite clear to me personally.

@RegDwightB That's is great! awesome. kudos to the team and every passionate guy who fuels it.

Then again at this point it's nothing grave at all, so it's not like I'm panicking. If anything I'd have expected more opposition.

@Jbean I see you have an account on Stack Overflow as well. That's how it all started for most of us.

These days I barely visit SO anymore. There are so many different sites, so much going on.

@re

Two is not enough. Three characters at least.

@RegDwightB : yes, I have. I have learnt a lot from SO. I ll start the spree again.

@RegDwightB : Haha that was slip of hand.

Please suggest me some book to a get good grip on English grammar.

Alice in Wonderland.

Seriously.

Ohh! I meant a grammar book.. just to know the rules and practice them.

The best grip you get by reading actual books for people who already have a good grasp of the language. Any teaching book for non-native speakers will teach you wrong stuff (because it will always have to oversimplify this or that) and in unnatural ways (no native speaker learns the language by reading a grammar book).

Yes. you are right.

@Rob Haha, just found this. Didn't know the page still existed.

All hail the all-time Rob.

Hahaha. Nice!

Wowie.

Why must female tennis players do this?

The women's tennis league is going to take action against it.

lol

Does it help their energy?

Hello!

@Cerberus I could ask if you're referring to the screaming or the whooping.

Hello.

@SpareOom Both.

Hello.

The tennis league is going to use decibel meters.

Some women reach 92 dB.

This is seriously cool.

I would like to see that for real.

The noise level during the match should be like chess! The audience is quiet anyway. :D

@Cerberus hongkiat.com/blog/absolutely-stunning-3d-street-art-paintings

Chess needs cheerleaders. With tiny little chesspiece sized pompoms.

@SpareOom Nice!

And if that's not enough: hongkiat.com/blog/more-breathtaking-3d-street-art-paintings

@Cerberus That is neat.

@Mahnax Yeah, I'm going to have a look the next time someone does that here.

@Cerberus For sure. I don't think anyone does anything like that in my town.

This is for you Lego fans, @MrShinyandNew and @RegDwightB ^.

@Mahnax Who knows?

I have no idea.

@Cerberus Well, I'm pretty sure I would have heard about it.

julianbeever.net/…

Spare Oom. I love that. Apropos of nothing.

@Mahnax Hmm. I don't know where one hears these things. There's always so much going on.

If they're that good, you'd think it would have to be in the news somewhere, but I don't bother much with the news.

@Cerberus Well, there's not too many people here.

Someone would have been talking about it.

You live near a large town, n'est-ce pas?

Hey @Jasper!

Haha.

pretending to be surprised

It's like crack, huh?

@RegDwightΒВB And I've been part-time for a long time, and now I haven't answered a question since ... well, I don't know since when. I expect Barry will pass me by the end of the year, give or take, but I am unwilling to take the necessary steps to defend my crown.

@JasperLoy How long had you been gone?

Yeah let him have it. It's goldwrap-covered chocolate anyway.

Hmm chocolate...

That is berry astute of you.

But he will probably be beery long before that.

@JasperLoy Or bury?

Bury St. Edmunds?

@JasperLoy That's the way I pronounce it, but my grandmother made a distinction.

hello @JasperLoy!

@Cerberus is that SFW?

Sure, but the sound may not.

The sound is essential.

Just noticed the absence of RR.

RR?

@MetaEd and louder clocks.

@Cerberus RegisRoux

What's that?

@Cerberus a recent, Carlo-esque user

Ciao!

My wife pronounces "bury" to rhyme with "furry" ... but I married her anyway.

@RegDwightΒВB bows down

@Robusto That's like my grandmother pronounced it.

@cornbreadninja Ohh right that guy.

@Robusto At least it's not fury.

Oh, hi @Jasper!

@JasperLoy Yep, I've been working on the alphabet today, and I was just about to start the actual lessons.

@cornbreadninja How about the Jeopardy think music?

@Robusto This is how rumors get started. Robusto married a furry.

@MetaEd I like it. Trebek, on the other hand, may not.

@jasper please take Carlo back.

I somehow doubt he really wants the answer to his latest question. english.stackexchange.com/questions/72665/…

@jasp I'm magical. I bequeath him unto you.

nods