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7:35 AM
This room is intended for discussion about the blog by anyone contributing to the blog. This should give us a 'space' to discuss topics to post, make suggestions on existing posts and so on.
Next week is the 'first birthday' for TeX.sx. That seems to be something we should blog about. Who wants to take that? I guess that as I've been on the site since day 1 (and have visited every day, despite what the login system thinks!) it's probably me.
Suggestions for particular areas to focus on would be most welcome, although of course if someone else wants to take the blog post for the first birthday, they are welcome to!
 
 
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10:45 AM
Friends, I'm writing a text, probably it'll be finished in one or two days.
It's called "More than typesetting", it's a personal story of what brought me to LaTeX.
 
@PauloCereda Great. For the 'birthday' stuff, I'm planning to write something at the weekend and set it to appear automatically on the 26th.
 
@JosephWright Cool! That'll be awesome!
@JosephWright: btw, could you guys proofread my text? My english sucks.
 
11:04 AM
@PauloCereda Of course. Save your post as a draft on the system, then drop a message here to ask the 'editors' to take a look
 
@JosephWright Thanks! I'll try to finish it as soon as possible.
 
 
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2:18 PM
Good news, everyone! I think I can submit my entry to peer review in an hour or so! (Sorry for the Futurama quote, today there's a new episode)
 
2:49 PM
Done, it's posted as a draft. Someone could proofread and check if it's a good addition? There's no problem if you find it offtopic or too flaming.
BTW, I thought Wordpress would add spaces between paragraphs, but I was wrong. I need to fix that in my post.
 
@PauloCereda I was just going to mention this :-)
 
@MartinScharrer I fail at blogging. =P
 
@PauloCereda I'm not better! :-D
 
3:12 PM
@PauloCereda Hmm, yes: currently it's a bit challenging to read
 
@JosephWright Sorry. I didn't know that. =(
 
@PauloCereda No problem - this is a learning experience all round. I suspect non of us have done a multi-contributor blog before, for example
Should we ask for the WP-Typography plugin? kingdesk.com/projects/wp-typography
I'm currently doing some tests on my blog with it
Perhaps not the hyphenation part - does not do a good job!
 
@JosephWright Looks interesting!
 
@PauloCereda Perhaps I've been spoilt, but the results to me did not look great. So I'm not sure this is such a good plan.
 
3:28 PM
@JosephWright I need to setup my local test webserver, so I could try those plugins on a clean wp install sandbox.
 
3:46 PM
OK, fixed the paragraph issue. =P
 
I was thinking of doing a piece about packages created from answers/inspired by questions on here. I believe minted was written in response to a stackoverflow question. I think one of @MartinScharrer 's packages started as an answer here, didn't it? (collectbox?) Then of course there's "from answers to packages" as welll...
Any other instances of this interesting phenomenon?
 
4:15 PM
@Seamus No, collectbox didn't started here. I just talked a lot about it in the chat :-D
@Seamus But I posted 2-3 answers of mine as package :-)
 
@MartinScharrer Oh right. I thought it had...
 
The listings related one.
 
Ah. which ones?
 
@Seamus There have been various LaTeX3 (expl3) feature requests - not sure if these count
 
4:20 PM
@MartinScharrer are those packages on CTAN? Or did they get incorporated into listings?
 
@Seamus No and no. Both planned but I didn't found time.
For a CTAN release I wanted to test and document them first.
 
@JosephWright that works too. Examples of how tex.sx is improving the TeX community in general are great...
 
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Q: How can I word-wrap LaTeX warning/error output?

godbykIn writing error messages and warnings for a package/class, I find it a pain to manually insert \MessageBreaks so that words don't get cruelly bisected because of TeX's max_print_line value (which typically is set to 79). In some cases it's not possible to predict where the \MessageBreak should ...

(This code has now ended up in the LaTeX3 kernel)
 
@MartinScharrer: You could write some ImageMagick + (La)TeX sorcery, oops, I mean, tutorials. =P
 
4:27 PM
@JosephWright Excellent. Thanks!
So @JosephWright is writing something for the birthday date itself? I'll have something ready soon after that can be scheduled for a later date. @PauloCereda also has something in preparation? Looks like we are up and running!
 
@Seamus Someone needs to write a 'birthday message'. I'll do it, but if someone else wants to take the job on ...
 
@Seamus I wrote a eye-bleeding text, it's marked as draft in the posts list. =P
 
We can use the WordPress 'publish on ...' system to get posts ready and waiting, but at the same time maintain a 'tempo'
 
@JosephWright Good idea!
 
5:03 PM
@PauloCereda just read your message about "More than typesetting", how you came to LaTeX. It would be great if you drop some words about it here:
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Q: Most significant reasons that led us to (La)TeX

Stefan KottwitzLooking back, what really convinced you to begin writing with TeX or LaTeX? This question is "community wiki", so there's no reputation to lose or to gain. Please don't write advantages of TeX and LaTeX or any pros and cons. I hope to read about something like a drastic experience that led y...

 
I keep having to look up the log in url in my email, so I'm posting it here as a "virtual bookmark": tex.blogoverflow.com/wp-login.php
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@AndrewStacey So we bookmark it. =)
@StefanKottwitz Sure, I'll do it. =)
 
@PauloCereda perhaps if you blog about your way to LaTeX, show a link to this question where about 30 people told how their way to LaTeX was
great to link subjects
 
@StefanKottwitz Great idea!
 
I don't seem to be able to see others' draft posts (though I can see their titles). I'd be happy to look through for typos, but at the moment I can't. It's fine if it isn't desirable for mere "authors" to see others' drafts, but I just thought I'd raise the issue so that it can be shot down in flames if that is the general consensus.
 
5:16 PM
@AndrewStacey I don't see any problems on seeing other authors' drafts. In fact, I need proofreading, as (a) I'm a non native english speaker, so my texts are a paradise of errors, and (b) the content might sound offtopic or flaming.
 
5:49 PM
@PauloCereda Nice idea. I will do that as soon my thesis write-up allows it.
 
6:16 PM
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Friends, we need to add Andrew to the contributors page.
 
6:36 PM
For the next week, as it's TeX.sx birthday week, along with the birthday post, what about an interview with a known TeX hacker? Could be one of the devs from the LaTeX3 project: Frank Mittelbach, Denys Duchier, Chris Rowley, Rainer Schöpf, Johannes Braams, Michael Downes, David Carlisle, Alan Jeffrey, Morten Høgholm, Thomas Lotze, Javier Bezos, Will Robertson or even our good friend Joseph Wright.
 
@PauloCereda Would be good, I suggest just choosing one not already seen in the TUG interview corner
and it's not much time left - if it's too short the idea is also good for later
 
@PauloCereda I need a biog for that :-)
@PauloCereda Not all of those people are still 'active' (and indeed sadly Michael Downes passed away some years ago now)
 
@JosephWright Sorry to hear that. =(
I got this list from the source3 doc.
 
6:51 PM
@PauloCereda List of 'current' members: latex-project.org/latex3.html
That's out of date: misses out Bruno Le Floch
 
@JosephWright I give up. =)
 
The number of truly active members is pretty small: I'd say Frank, Will, Bruno and me
 
@PauloCereda How about this: "Andrew Stacey is a British mathematician currently residing in Norway. He uses LaTeX for everything from mathematical articles to his children's birthday invitations."
 
@PauloCereda Editing the web site is a pain in the neck
 
@AndrewStacey wow, awesome!
@JosephWright I agree. =P
 
6:55 PM
@AndrewStacey Added to the list
 
I once wrote an article about an adaptive http server. It could adapt the hosted pages according to certain replacement rules and the generated traffic. Needless to say I did that for two reasons: (1) I'm too lazy to update stuff on webpages, and (2) I was curious about a model to do such thing. The first reason is the strongest one, of course. =P
 
Until recently, you had to edit the LaTeX3 Project pages by hand in an SVN repo, then copy them across. We moved to a system called Ophelia (thomas-lotze.de/software/ophelia), but I don't know how to access it :-(
For some reason, I never had the correct privileges to do any editing under the old system: no idea if I do now!
Back to 'on topic': what sort of 'interview' do we want, and who should I ask?
@PauloCereda What sort of feedback do you want on your article? As it's quite a personal view, I'm reluctant to make any edits myself.
 
@JosephWright Is the article suitable for the blog? I'm not sure if it may sound somehow flaming or offtopic.
@JosephWright Edits are always welcome.
 
7:13 PM
@PauloCereda I think at this stage we are learning what is 'on topic'
One general thing (to everyone): I think as we are TeX users we should use 'real' quote marks rather than "/' (real quotes can be accessed from the Omega icon in the editor)
(As I'm from the UK, I use single quotes, but I guess most other people will use double ones)
 
@JosephWright Oh I owe you one drink for that.
 
We also need some categories. I added TeX.sx as on for posts about the site itself, but is that too general? I see that the main SO blog has things like 'announcements', but am not sure that fits. @PauloCereda's post might come under 'advocacy', 'LaTeX', 'new-users' or something else: suggestions?
 
@JosephWright I like "advocacy" and "LaTeX".
Quote marks fixed!
 
yeah, we just needed the cache to clear, had a weird font in there
 
@PauloCereda I was about half-way through myself :-) I've got some stuff to do, so I'll wait 'till you finish editing and come back to do some proof-reading.
 
7:27 PM
@PauloCereda Just been looking at the various wordpress plugins. There do appear to be a few that would allow other authors to view posts, but I don't know enough about the machinery to recommend a particular one. I think it would be useful to be able to do this as it would make the blog more of a community affair and less just a bunch of individuals who happen to be lumped together.
 
@JosephWright Oh sorry, I got no notification of a parallel editing, my bad. :-) I'll just add Stefan's suggestion of referencing Most significant reasons that led us to (La)TeX CW in the post.
 
Just noticed @RebeccaChernoff turning up. What's the deal on getting WP plugins installed?
 
@AndrewStacey I fully agree!
 
Well, there's nothing to stop @MartinScharrer and I making people 'editors' anyway
@AndrewStacey How many posts can you currently see, then?
(The 'real' answer is 5 at the moment, 2 published, 3 draft)
 
@AndrewStacey what do you want added?+
 
7:35 PM
@JosephWright: Done! No more edits from me now. Feel free to edit anything.
 
@JosephWright I can see a list of five, but can only see the texts of 3: the two published and my "experiment".
@RebeccaChernoff No idea! It was more a general question as to whether or not it was possible to add plugins or not.
 
I don't think y'all can add the plugins yourselves, you're at the mercy of me. q:
cue evil laugh
 
@AndrewStacey I see. I guess this is the model WordPress came up with for the difference between an 'author' and an 'editor'. What I suppose we want is 'author who can see but not edit other posts'
 
@RebeccaChernoff That quite right: in the 'network' mode only network admins can add plugins
 
7:39 PM
If it is a plugin that makes sense I probably won't have a problem with it. (:
 
Probably a syntax highlighter for eventual TeX/LaTeX snippets on blog entries.
 
@PauloCereda I'm yet to find a good plugin for this, at least in my limited testing so far
@PauloCereda I've made a few 'copy edits'. Hopefully I've not changed the sense of the text anywhere, but have tried to make it flow a little better in English. I've also used -- rather than - for parenthetic statements: Bringhurst recommends -- over --- for this, so I hope people like it!
 
well feel free to post a feature request on meta
 
Of course, when I say -- I mean I've used an en-dash, but the TeX shorthand here is useful
 
and if you do the work and find the plugin for me, bonus!
 
7:54 PM
@RebeccaChernoff I'll work on it as I can test things in my own blog first (I also use WordPress)
 
@JosephWright Thanks a lot, I trust you. =) It's still tricky for me to come up with correct phrasal constructs in English, since Portuguese has a different flow and style.
 
@PauloCereda I think that the category here is 'advocacy', and tagging as 'LaTeX' makes sense
 
@JosephWright Perfect.
 
@RebeccaChernoff I think that what @AndrewStacey suggests is using something like the 'Role Scoper' plugin. From the blurb, that would allow us to give authors read-only permission on other unpublished material.
 
Well I've already modified permissions so that contributors can upload/insert media.
 
8:06 PM
@RebeccaChernoff As I said, we could just make people 'editors' and not worry about the complexity (the volunteers so far all seem trustworthy)
I've only ever done single-user WordPress, so this CMS side of things is new to me
 
@JosephWright: the edits are perfect, thanks a lot! \stepcounter{drinks}
 
Interesting idea on the Security.sx blog: Question of the Week. See for example security.blogoverflow.com/2011/07/15/question-of-the-week-1
@PauloCereda Now you have to decide when to release it!
BTW, I got us added to the TeXample feed (texample.net)
 
@JosephWright No hurry. You guys decide. =)
 
@PauloCereda Well, I've promised a post for our 'birthday', and I think there are already one or two more lining up after that. So perhaps tomorrow or Saturday?
Do we want to 'shape' the release dates? There is no reason not to publish Paulo's post now, unless we want to try to keep up a 'tempo' as I suggested earlier
 
@JosephWright I guess so. Though we could think of the 'tempo' you suggested (I was trying to find your original comment on this, but I couldn't remember the word).
 
8:22 PM
@PauloCereda I did not suggest anything in particular, it was more that I'm aware that we may have several posts close together then a gap. I think the original pitch was one post a week, which we'll certainly exceed to start with.
Perhaps give it a day to let @StefanKottwitz and @MartinScharrer take a look at the draft (they should both be able to see it)
 
@JosephWright I see. =)
@JosephWright We could also save some of the new entries for the next week, as we already got two posts this week. =)
 
@PauloCereda It would be nice to have one by someone other than me sooner rather than later! I suggest we publish yours tomorrow, then I'll do the 'birthday' one on Tuesday, then we can get some sort of system going.
 
@JosephWright OK then. =) \stepcounter{drinks}
 
@JosephWright I' dont see drafts, just the 2 posts
 
@StefanKottwitz Hmm, odd. @AndrewStacey said he could see the titles of the drafts in the 'posts' list
@RebeccaChernoff is it a deliberate design decision that tags do not show up for posts?
 
8:33 PM
they most definitely do
styled the same as tags on the site even!
 
@RebeccaChernoff Drat, perhaps I messed up the tagging. I'll try again
 
the only post with tags is the draft, but I see them in the preview.
 
@RebeccaChernoff My fault - I forgot to update the posts!
 
For the room in general - the idea of tags in a blog is that they are 'spontaneous' categories. We'll probably have a bit of shuffling between tags and categories as posts accumulate
I guess similar to tags on the main site, really ...
Anyone got ideas for the 'fill in' on tex.blogoverflow.com/archive
Hmm, there is something up with the 'about' and 'archive' pages - see the rather odd link I've just posted! I'll investigate
The about page is now correctly positioned: tex.blogoverflow.com/about
 
8:41 PM
get rid of the span at the beginning, I should've just copied the text instead of the markup
 
@JosephWright ok I can see it!
 
I'm gonna draw a community ad for the blog.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Done
 
8:58 PM
( contributors should win t-shirts ) =P
 
9:15 PM
 

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