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Kyle Kanos

12:22 AM

Well...Google'ing my name has been interesting

0celo7

@KyleKanos Real or user?

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 User

Most of what isn't SE-related things has been a particular person crying about me on another particular member's blog.

> My idea is that one of us casts the initial reopen vote on a question that should not be closed, then we let 3 trolls say "leave closed" which is what they always do anyway :-/, then the other of us two puts the question back into the reopen queue, before the reopen votes it has attained so far decay, by voting to reopen too.

So this was found in there (just before I was laughably claimed to "the dark side")

No idea if this "plan" was put into action or not, but

Rather humorously,

> Kyle Kanos is such a big anti-scientific, anti-academic SE gullomized zombique politician,

I'm anti-scientific, anti-academic?

0celo7

@KyleKanos Not even wrong.

Kyle Kanos

And a politician to boot!

0celo7

You are leaving academia.

Kyle Kanos

12:29 AM

Because of personal reasons, I don't think academia should not exist at all

> Kyle Kanos should immediately be banned from reviewing questions. Together with @ChrisWhite and probably others of the >3000 k users who have no technical knowledge about theoretical physics themself but are politically hyperactive in the review queue, such a gang of anti theoretical physics zealots can do a lot of damage to the site if they decide to systematically start persecuting string theory questions ...

0celo7

@KyleKanos Whoever wrote this is the hero we need, but do not deserve.

Kyle Kanos

I'll not name names.

0celo7

Hmm, the use of the word "zealot" hints at the Czech Quantum Wrangler.

Whoops.

Kyle Kanos

Well, that's the blog, not the author of the text

0celo7

Did you edit that?

Google fails to return an answer.

Kyle Kanos

12:43 AM

Only superficial edit to the latest

(eliminated a link)

0celo7

Google says your name is in those posts, but control F does not show it.

Kyle Kanos

Yep. Have to know how to Firefox stuff too

Look at the source

0celo7

Why does the tried and true method fail?

Kyle Kanos

IDK. Probably the way disqus works.

0celo7

I'm lost.

Can you please name the dude so I can find this?

I've read everything.

I bet it was Dilaton.

Kyle Kanos

12:48 AM

Already said I'll not name names. But I've given you the means to find it. Just check the page source and then search

0celo7

The hell does that mean?

I'm not a CS major.

Kyle Kanos

Apparently I've been pinned on pinterest

@0celo7 Neither was I

0celo7

@KyleKanos Close enough to pass for one.

Kyle Kanos

...because I know how to use a web browser?

0celo7

Yeah, this is complex shit.

Kyle Kanos

12:50 AM

Or because I can write programs?

0celo7

That too.

Kyle Kanos

0celo7

I read every comment...where the hell is this?

Kyle Kanos

Have you ever right-clicked on a webpage

0celo7

Why would anyone do that?

Ahhh, was the comment deleted by The Czech String Warrior?

Kyle Kanos

12:54 AM

I'm not sure

I honestly don't know how those things work

0celo7

I found it in the source.

Kyle Kanos

I'm glad you know how to right click

0celo7

@KyleKanos Right click is not a thing on Macs, FYI.

Kyle Kanos

Control-click

Or is it Meta-click?

0celo7

I'm one of the few Mac people who enable a right click.

@KyleKanos Probably.

@KyleKanos Reference?

Kyle Kanos

12:56 AM

Command key

The Command key (⌘), also historically known as the Apple key, clover key, open-Apple key, pretzel key, propeller key, squiggly button, the quad button, or meta key, is a modifier key present on Apple keyboards. The Command key's purpose is to allow the user to enter keyboard commands in applications and in the system. An "extended" Macintosh keyboard — the most common type — has two command keys, one on each side of the space bar; some compact keyboards have one only on the left. The "⌘" symbol (the "looped square") was chosen after Steve Jobs decided that the use of the Apple logo in the menu...

0celo7

@KyleKanos Oh

Meta key. I get it.

there it is

@KyleKanos I need you to flip a coin. If we get the same side, I'll get Witcher 2.

Kyle Kanos

Done

Heads

0celo7

$20 down the drain.

Unless the game is really good, which ACM promised it would be.

Now I just need to find an ATM near work.

@KyleKanos What coin was it?

Kyle Kanos

....Python

Just used a random number generator, if less than 0.5 it's tails, else heads

0celo7

CS nerd....

Kyle Kanos

1:09 AM

I didn't have a coin but I did have a computer

0celo7

You don't keep your change jar at your desk?

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Uh, nope. It's really just an appropriately-sized table

Apparently my comment to this (deleted) question gave me the label "curt" (though I initially misread it as something else..)

0celo7

Oh wow, I walked by SCOTUS the other day and didn't notice.

Kyle Kanos

The comment was We are not mind readers here, we do not know what issue you are having in order to recommend you anything. Please add more information about what specifically is giving you trouble

@0celo7 All of them or just one?

0celo7

@KyleKanos The court building.

Kyle Kanos

1:13 AM

Oh

Yeah, it's missable

0celo7

I noticed the Lib of Congress.

0celo7

1:38 AM

@KyleKanos Why do you hate string theory questions?

Kyle Kanos

I don't.

I made a comment once along the lines of it not being testable, so is it truly a science?

0celo7

It's not testable now.

It's testable in principle.

Kyle Kanos

I still think the question is valid

0celo7

It's semantics.

Depends how you define science.

Kyle Kanos

One of the characteristics is testability

0celo7

1:41 AM

Testability now or when the experimentalists have it figured out?

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 And that's ultimately the question!

We clearly cannot actually test it now, but in theory we can. Does that make it a science or not?

0celo7

If Einstein developed GR in 1850, he would not be doing science?

Kyle Kanos

What does 55 years make?

0celo7

Testability.

*65

Kyle Kanos

It is a tough one to say Einstein was doing math

(especially knowing now that it ended up being verified by experiments)

0celo7

1:49 AM

@KyleKanos Experiments that were (probably) not possible in 1850. Mercury's orbit can be verified, but a hellish string theory calculation will show that as well.

Kyle Kanos

2:45 AM

0celo7

@KyleKanos Why is Windows limiting this flashdrive partition to 200MB?

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 How big should it be?

0celo7

What is the maximum? It's a 128GB stick with a 40GB partition that I want Windows to recognize.

Kyle Kanos

Hmm. That is a problem

0celo7

Problem?

Kyle Kanos

2:53 AM

It's not a problem?

0celo7

It is, I thought you were referring to the 40GB or 128GB or something else.

As in "there's your problem"

Kyle Kanos

No, I was remarking that it's so small compared to what it should be

But I've not a clue, I'm not a Windows guy

0celo7

I have a 32GB stick that works like a charm, but it's USB 2.0.

The 128GB stick is 3.0

I did the partitioning in OSX...tomorrow I'll completely wipe it and try to do everything in Windows.

Stan Shunpike

@0celo7 what is the difference between 2.0 and 3.0?

0celo7

@StanShunpike Noticeable speed difference.

Stan Shunpike

3:02 AM

Ah, I suppose if you are using it like a hard drive that is necessary.

I just use mine to back up music.

0celo7

Yeah, but I don't like waiting.

And 128GB could be used to extend the hard drive.

Heck, I think this stick is faster than my old HDD.

Gaurav

3:43 AM

Another mysterious occurrence of a user having insufficient rep being able to access chat.

obe

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Physics Meta

4:40 AM

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Q: Define what an unclear question is

Is this question really unclear? http://t.co/xkAlTGdvBb What is the difference between an unclear question and a question you are unable to answer?

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Physics Meta

5:33 AM

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Q: when to close a meta question

Is it correct to close (*) a meta question simply because the OP is not interested in the answer? Why don't you consider the utility of the post for other people (yourself)? (*) example here: Define what an unclear question is

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skill patrol

6:37 AM

chat.stackexchange.com/faq#talk

How do I talk?
First, enter a chat room — they're all public by default. You may enter and read the conversation in any room, but you may not talk until you earn 20 reputation.

@Gaurav there is no "access chat" rep requirement.

Physics Meta

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I intend to ask the following question: Can I install Geant4 (wiki) alongside GEANT-3 (wiki) on my Ubuntu 15.04? I have already installed GEANT3. How can I install Geant4 without making any problems? Can I ask the question on Physics StackExchange? May be we should introduce a tag or site for c...

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Gaurav

9:23 AM

@skillpatrol Oops ! thanks for clarifying that ! :) @Waffle'sCrazyPeanut Here go our conspiracy theories. :/

JokelaTurbine

Sirs, I have now answered here in 22 questions. But been really asking just one. I just Looked the Feynmans "The Key to science". But there is even a better short clip; this youtube.com/watch?v=NM-zWTU7X-k "knowing versus understanding" -and dear sirs, I can say, I have done my homework what it comes to experiments. Reynolds number is wrong; youtube.com/…

@mmesser314 @John Rennie @Kyle Kanos @Kyle Oman @Timaeus What should I do with this question; physics.stackexchange.com/questions/190414/…

The Dark Side

LOL

^ Couldn't resist sharing. :P

Gaurav

10:16 AM

@TheDarkSide :D

Jims Bond

12:41 PM

@alarge I'm aiming to get a job at a bank while I wait to start my PhD. That's about it.

Kyle Kanos

1:03 PM

@JokelaTurbine Er, not sure how you can conclude Reynolds number is wrong, given that it's the result of making the Navier-Stokes equations dimensionless and has been verified thousands of times in experiments.

@JokelaTurbine I think it's gone from non-mainstream to unclear. It seems to me that your first image shows exactly why there would be a bright ring, so what is it you are really asking?

Kyle Kanos

1:49 PM

@Gaurav the Chat Privilege is here, says You can always enter chat rooms and listen with no rep at all. but that it takes 20 rep to actually talk

0celo7

2:03 PM

@KyleKanos Senate IT guy figured it out. Windows does not recognize partitioned removable disks.

Kyle Kanos

Well that's good that you figured it out, dumb that Windoze does that

0celo7

@KyleKanos Regarding our discussion last night...since ST reproduces GR exactly (to one loop order), does it not have the same experimental validity? Thus, if ST is not a science, GR cannot be one either, right?

Kyle Kanos

MM experiment predates SR, no?

0celo7

Yes, MM was in late 1800s IIRC.

Kyle Kanos

As was the Fizeau, no?

0celo7

2:09 PM

Wiki says 1851.

Kyle Kanos

Oh poop

I thought you said SR

Not ST

This is why reading helps

(and not skimming)

GR does have observations though

0celo7

Why do you keep saying ST has no observations? It literally reproduces all of GR and QFT at low energies.

Kyle Kanos

Well it's designed to reproduce those results

0celo7

Not really.

It was designed to be a theory of the strong force.

Kyle Kanos

If it does not reproduce those results, then it's a bunk mathematical model and is tossed in the garbage

0celo7

2:14 PM

Then they found the graviton just happened to be in the spectrum of the closed string.

Kyle Kanos

It must reproduce the results for it to be successful; qed: it is designed to satisfy the constraints

0celo7

It's not like they sat down and tried to smash GR and QFT together to get string theory.

Gravity emerges very naturally by simply considering a closed string.

You could say Yang-Mills is shoehorned in...the Chan-Paton construction is a bit crazy.

Jims Bond

I think the point is that ST needs to have separate predictions and observables that no other theory has. Without that, it brings nothing new and there is no way to be sure it is the correct way to merge GR and QFT

Kyle Kanos

I'm not one to agree/disagree because I'm not well versed in ST. What I do know is that there are several competing mathematical models and we're not capable of experimentally determining which is correct

Jims Bond

You can show that GR and QFT are special case scenarios of ST, which is a plus, but unless it makes predictions on top of that that we can experimentally verify, we can't be sure it's more correct than other theories

0celo7

2:20 PM

@JimsBond Yes, but how do we know that GR and QFT are right?

Jims Bond

and like @KyleKanos, I'm not a string theorist, so I'm not sure if it has enough of its own observables or not

@0celo7 They make copious predictions that are experimentally verified

Kyle Kanos

It's kinda like DM vs f(R) in cosmology: both are working models that can explain observations, but we've no real conclusive proof of one vs the other

0celo7

If you are willing to say that ST is only incidentally correct, why can't the same be true for QFT and GR?

@JimsBond They both fail to explain the cosmological constant/dark energy, for example.

Jims Bond

@0celo7 yes, indicating that they aren't complete

0celo7

@JimsBond Is there a list of quantitative differences in the various unification theories?

Jims Bond

2:22 PM

probably

or at least, qualitative differences

0celo7

That would be "too broad" for PSE, right?

Jims Bond

probably

0celo7

Holy shit.

Jims Bond

I imagine text books could be written describing the differences quantitatively

0celo7

@KyleKanos What do you say? Too broad?

Kyle Kanos

2:26 PM

Asking for a list, probably

0celo7

Could that not be a "reference request" or whatever we call it?

Kyle Kanos

You might be able to pull it off by comparing two different "top" models

@0celo7 resource-recommendations is asking for books on subject X, specific-reference is asking for the source of result X

David Z

@0celo7 it's resource-recommendations now, and I guess it could... granted, I'm not a fan of those questions

0celo7

@DavidZ Unless someone in chat knows how to answer my question, a PSE question will be my best shot.

Or maybe PO. After all, they don't have the String Theory Killer, Kyle Kanos, bludgeoning all string theory questions with his 1/5th banhammer.

David Z

lol

Kyle Kanos

2:33 PM

@0celo7 That is making me think of doing a Data Explorer query to see which tags I've "attacked" the most in the Close Queue

David Z

If I've been following along correctly, it seems like a reasonable resource recommendation question

0celo7

@DavidZ Resonable from your PoV or from someone reasonable ;)

Jims Bond

@KyleKanos homework-and-exercises

Kyle Kanos

@JimsBond I expect that to be up there, I'm more curious about the other 9 tags of the Top 10

David Z

@0celo7 oh just ask the question already :-P

Jims Bond

2:35 PM

@KyleKanos special-relativity

my money is on that one

Kyle Kanos

Because of duplicates, probably

Jims Bond

and non-mainstream

0celo7

TIL LQG is not a TOE.

TIL LQG is not Lorentz invariant.

Kyle Kanos

> Current research on loop quantum gravity may eventually play a fundamental role in a ToE, but that is not its primary aim.

Theory of everything

A theory of everything (ToE) or final theory, ultimate theory, or master theory is a hypothetical single, all-encompassing, coherent theoretical framework of physics that fully explains and links together all physical aspects of the universe. Finding a ToE is one of the major unsolved problems in physics. Over the past few centuries, two theoretical frameworks have been developed that, as a whole, most closely resemble a ToE. The two theories upon which all modern physics rests are general relativity (GR) and quantum field theory (QFT). GR is a theoretical framework that only focuses on the force...

Jims Bond

my question is what happens when we find something that we think resembles a TOE? Do we give up physics and learn to play the violin?

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Note my subtle historical reference

0celo7

2:42 PM

Einstein played the violin.

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Why'd your cat quit?

Jims Bond

cool, but not the reference I was making

0celo7

@KyleKanos He got declawed.

@JimsBond Tell us!

Jims Bond

@0celo7 One second while I find the internet link

David Z

@JimsBond we develop a theory of playing the violin

0celo7

2:48 PM

Huh, Wiki calls the unified standard model forces the electronuclear force. Catchy.

@DavidZ The violin strings are just that--strings. Obviously the violin sound spectrum contains auditory gravity.

David Z

String theory really is a theory of everything :-P

Jims Bond

@0celo7 It was Michelson

He proclaimed that all the laws of physics had already been discovered and that all that remained was to refine measurements

then he retired and took up the violin

Became good enough at it that Clark University named a theater for visual and performing arts after him

0celo7

Interesting...

How did they explain stars in 19--?

Jims Bond

19--

0celo7

Ok, what year did he retire?

Jims Bond

3:00 PM

Died in 1931 after seeing the rise of GR and quantum mechanics

Retired I think in 1920's

It was kind of a silly statement to make

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Pfft...what's to explain?

It's kinda sad when there are too many pictures in a question, it actually makes it hard to follow

ACuriousMind

@KyleKanos I've often wished there would be a way to wrap text beside a picture here.

Jims Bond

@KyleKanos talking about that dielectric/conductor reflecting question?

Kyle Kanos

@JimsBond Uh, dialectics?

Jims Bond

that

ACuriousMind

3:06 PM

That said, most of the pictures used in posts are too large, in my opinion.

Kyle Kanos

@ACuriousMind Yes, this! The pictures need to be recropped to be a maximum size of like 300^2

Jims Bond

@KyleKanos even though dialectics is a form of argument in philosophy whereas dielectric is an insulator

Kyle Kanos

@JimsBond So you're saying dialectics can't reflect light?

Jims Bond

Well you can specify the size and position of an image

@KyleKanos You'd need to be a fairly eloquent speaker to make that happen

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I'm more interested in seeing if Witcher will run on my laptop than actually playing it :/

So sad...

Kyle Kanos

3:09 PM

And it's still disappointing that I can't downvote in close review

Jims Bond

Or close in edit reviews

0celo7

Or VCT review on phone

Kyle Kanos

Actually, a Review Queue on the mobile app in general would be nice

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Q: Add review queues to Android app

I know there are some similar posts on adding review queues to the mobile web page. However, this is regarding the Stack Exchange Android app. I really would like to review posts and edits from the Android app, however this isn't included in the app yet. I'm not sure how it would be implemented; ...

feature-request review android-app

No answer to that one

0celo7

No love for iOS. Typical.

Kyle Kanos

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Q: Please add diamond flag handling to the iOS app

The iOS app is great, but I can't use it to perform diamond functions like handle flags. I would love to have a table view of all the flags on my site, with the buttons we currently have in the normal flag queue. Also of use, but much more work, would be the ability to destroy users and such. I ...

feature-request status-planned flags moderator-tools ios-app

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JokelaTurbine

3:21 PM

@KyleKanos According to known old experiments Reynolds number 150 000 flow can be laminar, so where is the meaning, as Froude number already scales the velocity and Length. Where is "the key to science?" Just lot of "knowing" but no understanding.

Kyle Kanos

@JokelaTurbine I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

JokelaTurbine

@KyleKanos The question might seem too simple to you. Ok, but could I just ask it? If some one could ie. explain why the ring is there sometimes, but not all times. Like the 5 photo series shows. The lense is there to see in the photo. At 4't pic there is only half ring? why? and what about all the focal lengths?

Kyle Kanos

You did ask it.

JokelaTurbine

@KyleKanos Its closed. Ok. So it's not a suitable question here. -That is also an answer.

Kyle Kanos

It's unclear what you're asking. You've overloaded in what appears to be rather superfluous information and images.

If you want to know why the light rings are there, simply ask that

Don't bother with airplanes and "I don't like this video"

JokelaTurbine

3:27 PM

I like the video.

Kyle Kanos

Well you don't like the explanation in the video, whatever it is.

JokelaTurbine

Yes, cause it's too simple; The explanation doesn't work on all focal lengths.

And further, the ring is even not allways there though same focal length and though the shade is.

and further the curvature of lence seem to have no influence on the ring. But maybe I am just too stupid

Kyle Kanos

Looking at the time series at the bottom, seems to me the dark circle is fading as the light is.

And I'm not sure why you are insulting yourself here

0celo7

@KyleKanos Why aren't you insulting yourself? Smug bastard.

Haha this person's name is Commie

Or Connie

Fuck it, I can't read this handwriting.

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Well I was insulting myself just a moment ago because I made a horrific chess move

JokelaTurbine

3:35 PM

Yes, But It's also a test made by me, and there is at the first picture the air going trough, and the shade and light is the same than ie. in the next pics where this is filled. Only the diamter is smaller. I would also expect that in same light position there would some light going though to middle,,, And,, I don't care about the answer, I am just trying to understand.

Kyle Kanos

@JokelaTurbine Well you're trying to figure something out, so I think that you do care about the answer.

0celo7

@Dimensio1n0 Hello.

Jims Bond

That's another person in the last little while to say "I don't care about the answer". What is going on? Don't people realize that asking the question means you must care about the answer?

0celo7

@JimsBond They don't care if the answer is one way or another, they just want the correct answer.

ACuriousMind

@JimsBond My thoughts precisely

Kyle Kanos

3:38 PM

@JokelaTurbine If you want an explanation about the rings, I can make a somewhat substantial edit to the post that I think would get reopen votes behind it.

JokelaTurbine

Well, Yes, I just want it to be explained so that I understand it, and according to my CV do understand quite complicated system. So I do care about answer, but I don't care if it yes or no.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind What is "lurking" in German?

Kyle Kanos

I'd mostly be taking out the middle chunk (from So I think this is... to ...what really causes these optical disturbances)

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 If you would "care" about getting a particular answer, you wouldn't have understood what asking a question means, imo

Kyle Kanos

And cleaning up some of the grammar

Jims Bond

3:39 PM

@0celo7 That actually makes more sense. The idea behind the remark just is not clearly expressed. Good of you to pick up on what they mean

JokelaTurbine

@KyleKanos Thanks, as long as the focal lenghts remains it's ok to me.

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 lungern, I think

0celo7

@ACuriousMind You can ask a question to confirm your thoughts.

Then you'd have substantial reason to prefer one answer over others, and would thus care which answer you get.

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 herumhängen is probably the closest

0celo7

If I get 5^2=25 and I ask you what it is, then I care that you say 25. If I have no clue how to do 5^2, then I don't particularly care what the answer is, but I want to know how to do it. I have no reason to care if it is 25, 34 or 7.

ACuriousMind

3:42 PM

I see what you are saying.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I think this is more like "loitering", no?

Jims Bond

lurking = loitering + creeping

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0celo7

@ACuriousMind Too unwieldly.

Jims Bond

what's creeping in german?

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 I'd also translate it as linger, but yeah, it can also be loiter

@JimsBond For what meaning of creeping?

Jims Bond

3:44 PM

@ACuriousMind being creepy

0celo7

kreichen is crawling, right?

ACuriousMind

@JimsBond Uh...I think you'd just translate being creepy for that, i.e. gruselig sein or sich gruselig verhalten

@0celo7 i and e the other way 'round, but yes

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Shit

In hindsight, that's obvious

JokelaTurbine

@0celo7 Well, yes. But if some on had defined ^ some other way, then the answer could be different. So I you get the answer 25 you are like confirmed by the meaning, but if you get 7 then you are quided to correct your grammar 5+2=7 to 5^2=7, But in both cases you might wan't to hear the answer.

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 kreischen means to shriek, however

Jims Bond

3:47 PM

lurking = gruseliglungern?

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I knew that.

@ACuriousMind This weekend: German Skype Morrowind/Oblivion mod party.

ACuriousMind

@JimsBond If you want to say that someone is lying (creepily) in wait for something or someone, then you could just use (auf)lauern

0celo7

@ACuriousMind auf der Mauer, auf der Lauer...

ACuriousMind

lol

Jims Bond

@ACuriousMind That would be lurking, then

One does not simply lurk (into Mordor?)

it's always in wait for something/someone or around something/someone

ACuriousMind

3:51 PM

To lurk online (about a forum or something) does not have the creepy (or waiting) connotation necessarily, does it?

Jims Bond

yup, it does

0celo7

^^

It's like eavesdropping.

Jims Bond

lurking has a negative connotation attached to it

Kyle Kanos

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Q: The optics of vortex (in water): why there is a bright ring?

This picture is from this YouTube video from "Physics Girl", which shows how you can generate vortices in a swimming pool by using a plate: And there she explains the creation of the shaded circle due to one of the vortices. But as you see, there is also a bright ring, which is there no matter...

optics fluid-dynamics turbulence vortex

@JokelaTurbine: I've modified the question to be just about the bright ring and the depth. If you dislike the edit, feel free to roll it back (you'll have to scroll down to your last edit here and select rollback).

Hopefully others here will agree that it's worth reopening, but it does require 5 total Reopen votes (currently has 1)

(And sadly Jim can't participate)

0celo7

@KyleKanos 2

JokelaTurbine

3:56 PM

Just looked it, -It's ok to me. The basic is there, and new questions can be made thereafter. It's just pretty annoing to try to edit your own -first- question to fit in a concept, you don't know to much.

Jims Bond

@KyleKanos That news is sad in figuratively every circumstance

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