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12:57 AM
@KyleKanos I am not assuming you don't know anything about particle or Lagrangian methods in my comments, but I am assuming the OP doesn't and just wanted to point out that the Lagrangian way of looking at things is a possible treatment as well
Just to clarify my comment some without leaving more comments :)
 
1:13 AM
Is there a good way to attract attention to a question without using a bounty?
 
1:45 AM
Here is a suggestion for the regulars (from the do as I try to do file, btw, I have to keep reminding myself too):
try not to get involved in extended hot-under-the-collar engagements with other users.
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Let it go. Flag for a mod if you're having trouble just leaving it there.
Also, kudos to those of you who have tried to bring things down a notch.
The mods can't be everywhere and sometimes a quiet word can tone things down.
And other times someone will react like an a$$&*|@. But you all know where the comment-flag control is.
 
2:08 AM
@DaveCoffman You can try bringing it up on chat, but bounties are the formal way.
 
3:01 AM
@dmckee I've actually just found myself deleting my own comments and tapping out of a discussing entirely if people get argumentative. Or just ignoring the bait (which is probably the thread you are referring to, which I missed a lot of because I got there seconds after it was nuked)
Although I guess I may have started that whole problem... @Jim 's first response was really good though. I wanted to say the same but was adopting my "ignore the bait" policy.
 
@tpg2114 I had a couple of recent one and a few further back in mind, but I didn't notice any you were involved it. Nor do I want to call anyone out, because all the regulars are good at staying in bounds. It's just that the act of engagement can bring less regular users to a peak of xkcdesque need to explain why they are right.
 
Ah okay. I figured it was the one on the Meta post that David nuked earlier today
Given the timeliness of it
 
David nuked a couple on the main site yesterday and asked the rest of us to look at them on the mod-chat. And we're slow.
 
I bet the transcripts of the mod chat would be really entertaining to read
 
@tpg2114 Mostly boring administrivia. And some venting.
 
3:09 AM
Probably a lot like here then... some boring physics stuff, and some venting
 
Yep. Anyway, I'm suppose to be writing tests...
 
Have a good night I suppose?
 
 
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Q: Should any check-my-work questions be made on topic?

David ZIt's long overdue that I make this post revisiting our policy on "check-my-work" questions. These are questions, often (but not necessarily) homework-like, that present a complete mathematical or logical derivation and ask whether it's correct. Historically our homework policy has rendered check...

 
7:24 AM
@dmckee I prefer "careful" :-P
@tpg2114 it's a lot of "hey other mods, look at the flag on [post]" and "is this worth deleting?" and "FYI I'll be out of town next week." Much lower activity than this room.
honestly, if you want entertainment you'd be better off looking at the mod flag queue :-P
 
8:00 AM
@DavidZ?
 
 
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1:07 PM
@ACuriousMind another math terminology question! Why should one call topologies 'weaker' or 'stronger'?
@dmckee Couldn't agree more. Please just keep in mind at all times that it's the internet!
@ACuriousMind is it because 'weaker' topology -> more closed sets -> more things containing all their limit points -> more things converging?
 
Jim
@tpg2114 thanks for the compliment. I usually take a different policy regarding internet arguments than most of you it seems. I just argue for the sake of arguing. It's not really about what I argue, more about how I argue it. Like a game, I mostly don't care about who's right, I'll even argue with people who say I'm right. But I'll argue back because it's fun to try to make rational and logical points out of a given stance. That's why I responded by defending your comment, it was a good move.
 
@ACuriousMind oh, no, it has to be since something converges to a point x in the topological sense if it's inside all the open sets containing x. In the case of the trivial topology, everything converges to everything and therefore it's the weakest one, I guess
@Jim Which post are you guys discussing here
 
Jim
@Danu some deleted comments from meta.physics.stackexchange.com/questions/6090/…
DavidZ's answer
@DavidZ speaking of which, sorry I might have gotten offensive to him. Forgot that sarcasm isn't the best response to an aggressive arguer
 
hahaha, the rage is real from that Schlomo guy
I like to just watch
 
Jim
You missed the deleted comments, I think he got kind of upset
 
1:24 PM
I can tell from what's left
 
1:44 PM
@Jim I used to do the same, but I realized on the internet there's a never-ending source of people like you on the other side. And so it will never end and just get annoying
So I keep it that strategy to my in-person life only now
 
This attitude is so prevalent amongst physicists - I fear it might be giving us a bad name!
 
@Jim He then got further upset about the deleted comments and posted another offensive one
Which has already been removed. It may have only lived for 5 minutes or so
 
Jim
@tpg2114 really? I missed it? Aw well. I left off with my "sar-casm?....." comment
 
@Jim I missed what came after that one from you. Then they were nuked, and he got upset again and I flagged that one before it was removed.
Sometimes the mods take all the fun out of the internet.
 
Jim
@tpg2114 I think the law of conservation of fun is a fundamental law of the internet. So all that fun they take has to be conserved somewhere
maybe a newer and better version of 2048 was created yesterday
 
1:52 PM
It's in the black hole of the SE database I'm sure. I'd be really surprised if they actually deleted anything from there
 
They'll know all about me soon
 
@Danu I think you are right there. Weakest topologies (in a categorial sense) are also often those induced by requiring that some maps into a space be continuous - think of, e.g., the product topology or quotient topologies.
 
I'm just reading the R&S chapter on topological spaces
and those @$$H0I3$ never define what convergence means in this setting
so I made that definition up myself just now - is it right?
 
Haha...that's all too common sadly. I seem to recall that a sequence of points $x_i$ in a topological space $X$ converges to $x \in X$ if, for every open neighbourhood $U$ of $x$, there is an $N \in \mathbb{N}$ such that $x_n \in U$ for every $n > N$.
 
right
ah, and in the metric space setting this is equivalent to the usual definition
 
2:03 PM
Note that, for general topologies, convergence in this sense is not unique - there can be several limits, or a limit might be "missing", i.e. you think it should be there, but it isn't
@Danu Exactly
 
I think I proved that earlier while reading chapter 1
:P
 
The epsilon-delta definition is just a more confusing way to talk about open neightbourhoods ;)
One can have fun (of the mathy kind ;) ) with this kind of convergence - algebraists call the operation of "adding" the missing limits completion, and it is a functor with some applications
 
I kind of like epsilon-delta, honestly, although it's annoying to have to come up with new small tricks for each argument
 
@Danu I hate it, but perhaps only because of the lost hours trying to find the right inequality to get these frigging epsilon coming out right for analysis assignments :D
 
Right... I could see that. Also, does it matter whehter you use neighborhoods of X or open sets containing X in your definition of convergence? No, right?
since they are really the same
(if you consider all of them)
 
2:10 PM
@Danu Do you use a definition of neighbourhood other than "open set containing"?
 
yes
Neighborhood contains an open set
 
doesn't have to be open
Deļ¬nition: A set N is called a neighborhood of a point x e S, a topological
space, if there exists an open set U with x e U c N.
lol my PDF reader OCR'd \in as e and \subset as c
(that was a copy-paste from my R&S textbook)
...and a little bit later: We emphasize that neighborhoods need not be
open. In a metric space, the closed balls of radius greater than zero are a
neighborhood base.
 
@Danu There's a TeX/PDF feature where you can declare the text/Unicode that should be copied from a formula - so it may be that it was not your reader, but a very thorough TeXer ;)
And yeah, you're right about the distinction
 
hah, no, that's not the case because it's just a scan that I OCR'd myself
 
2:14 PM
There's probably an "open" missing in front of neighbourhood in the convergence definition then, but also probably it does not matter.
My "basic topology" dealing with these things - neighbourhoods, metric spaces, convergence - is quite weak though, I'm mostly versed in algebraic topology. I'll take chain complexes over epsilons every day ;)
 
2:27 PM
No idea what that even means
I think metric spaces are pretty useful for physicists ;)
 
@Danu That's true, I'm not denying it. Most of the math I find really beautiful has only occasional and surprising connections to physics
 
I try to heed Moretti's warning ;)
 
Isn't the math.SE better place to discuss topologies? :-) Or the company is better here?
 
@Danu Hehe, I fear that I've heeded the siren song of pure math already too often to turn back ;)
 
I'm afraid to ask there, for fear of being laughed at!
 
2:35 PM
@Danu Looking at the questions math.SE regularly gets (and allows), them laughing at that would have been nothing short of hypocrisy on their side
 
Jim
@firtree now that you're here, it's probably the company (we were only at 48% of the staying force keeping them here. Now we're 51% at least)
 
@Danu That fear is best to be fought! We are always lower than someone and higher than someone else. But the community is friendly on this phys.SE and I think it should be on math.SE as well.
 
@ACuriousMind but look at our chat - it's only the hard core! ;)
 
@Jim :-)
 
@Danu Yeah, but we wouldn't laugh at a beginner coming here and ask some Newtonian questions here either. (At least I hope we would not)
 
Jim
2:39 PM
@ACuriousMind not out loud
 
@Jim heh ;)
 
@Jim You snickering inside your own mind is not my concern ;)
One of the reasons I hope we'll never discover telepathy.
 
Jim
@ACuriousMind That's exactly what my psychiatrist says
 
No need for telepathy since the public blogs were invented.
 
@firtree I'd be very surprised if there is someone dumping all their thoughts onto the internet. Then again, it's the internet...
 
2:50 PM
@ACuriousMind There are always two sides competing, the nascissist side of one's nature and the paranoid side of nature. Results cover the full spectrum [0;1]. So I think there exists such someone, though maybe not many such people.
 
Probably right. Now I'm not sure if I want to read such a thing or not. Probably very dependent on whose thoughts they are.
 
I think nobody's thoughts are 'unpolluted'
 
@Danu Where'd be the fun in unpolluted thoughts? ;)
 
3:10 PM
@ACuriousMind I don't know - but I damn sure wouldn't want to read my own thoughts as an 'outsider' haha
 
@Danu Hm...perhaps I would be more interested in the reaction of others to my thoughts than in reading theirs.
 
3:23 PM
Is there some StackExchange about telepathy? :-)
 
@firtree You could try Science Fiction & Fantasy ;)
 
Maybe Skeptics?
 
Either way, Is mind reading possible? is a title that seems made for the Hot Network list.
Some other day, there was a What use are friends, anyway? question there. It was referring to a question on Arqade about some obscure casual online game where you could add "friends". Needless to say, I was disappointed.
 
 
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8:29 PM
hahahhahaha great story ;)
 
 
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Q: Best Research Documentation Habit for Computational Physics Research

alvarezclI am currently doing research in a subset of the field of gravitational lensing called weak lensing. I am simulating blended galaxy profiles and creating an algorithm to extract the true parameters I created my image with. I am then assessing the accuracy of my algorithm. Since this is my first...

maybe off topic
 
Jim
answer: document everything, decide what you don't need later
 

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