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12:38 AM
@ACuriousMind language
 
12:54 AM
@ACuriousMind HELP
 
@BernardMeurer ?
 
@ACuriousMind I went out to get beer
and they had Faxe which I really like
but this doesn't taste like I remembered it to taste
and this was one of my favorite beers
it's an existencial crisis
what do I like now?
 
You...liked Faxe? oO
 
@ACuriousMind Yeah, it's my favorite cheap beer
but this one came kind of bad
@3075 Is beer expensive there? How old do you have to be to drink?
 
@BernardMeurer dunno and dunno.
 
1:07 AM
@3075 DOOD
These are major questions
Right there with the meaning of life and P vs. NP
 
I don't drink.
 
@3075 It's okay, I drink enough for both of us
 
lol
also look what I found
 
LOL
Go ask how old do you have to be do drink beer in ontario
or in Waterloo, idk how them laws work there
 
google is your friend.
and it's by province.
 
1:10 AM
19
crap
one more year
 
@BernardMeurer before you complain get your admission.
 
@3075 yeah yeah, working on it :v
 
what did diana say again?
do you have a chance?
 
@3075 She said she'd make sure my physics app. would have it's full doc.
According to Waterloo peeps I still even have a chance at CS
 
it should be decided in 1 day.
 
1:19 AM
if my grades are good they said they'd try and make a spot for me
 
are they good?
 
and Physics is also possible
@3075 I'm around the 90
 
:O
k
 
Is that good? IDK
 
For physics yeah
for compsci, it's borderline competitive.
 
1:24 AM
@3075 Tension
What saves my grades was Sociology, Philosophy and Algebra
 
1:54 AM
@BernardMeurer what
 
@0celo7 What what?
 
@BernardMeurer what does that mean
 
@0celo7 It's a 3.6GPA unweighted
 
@BernardMeurer what APs do you have
 
@0celo7 APs don't exist here
 
2:01 AM
you can do the ap exams though.
 
@3075 Idk, the concept of AP doesn't exist at all here
 
it's been really warm here, like 39C. and in may, bad for canada.
I feel like i'm dead. a/c is broken.
 
@3075 Wow that's warm
it's a lovely 19 here right now
 
the weather here is really lame.
in a few days it will randomly be like 0 degrees, then back to 30.
randomly.
 
"Here" in toronto ?
 
2:07 AM
suburbs of
@BernardMeurer do you believe you'll get into waterloo?
 
@3075 I don't hold belief in things. I think it's possible
 
it would be cool if you did come to waterloo.
also off-residence is cheaper.
@0celo7 are you moving off-res ever?
 
At the watering holes where professors gather to bitch about the trials of their days I sometimes hear complains about how students these days are so uncertain of themselves that upon being told a fact in plain language they will immediately ask you if that fact is, in fact, a fact.
I'm blessed enough to rarely encounter such behavior in my students.
 
@dmckee Is that a fact?
 
But I bump into on the site from time to time.
And I don't know how to react.
 
2:12 AM
@dmckee Interesting
 
@BernardMeurer I see what you did there.
 
@dmckee :)
 
Does screaming "PROOF" in math classes count?
 
@3075 It would, I really want to get to Waterloo. Off residence is cheaper, but I'm moving to a place where you're literally the only person I know, and I don't even know your first name. I need a roomate so I won't be utterly alone
 
@0celo7 No. That would be students either wanting to be spoon fed or just being annoying because they are young and it seems like a good idea at the time.
 
2:13 AM
#rekt
Damn
 
lol
@BernardMeurer < 5 days left for residence.
 
@dmckee Can I ask you to ask you a question?
 
user54412
"young and it seems like a good idea at the time"
 
@0celo7 You should hear the stories of the things I did because I was young and they seemed like a good idea at the time. Except that I don't tell them.
 
@3075 I know, I know
I'm freaking out already don't worry
 
2:15 AM
What about you, @Chris? Have a few?
 
@dmckee What's your opinion on college residence?
In campus? Off campus? With roomate? Without?
 
how can you afford to live without a roommate?
 
@BernardMeurer Er ... I'm not sure I understand the context. Should you live on campus? Do you have to be near by to get the most out of college? Or something else?
Oh, I see.
 
@dmckee It's a question about what you think is best.
 
@0celo7 it's only like $300 more to have your own apartment than share a dorm with a roommate, here.
 
2:18 AM
@ChrisWhite Gave his thoughts on this recently, I was wondering what were yours
 
I stayed in the dorms for almost all of undergrad. Less housekeeping. Close to class. And it was not very expensive then, but they place wasn't as plush as most are these days.
 
@0celo7 I'm not asking for what I can do, I'm asking what's best
 
which becomes even less since you don't pay for overpriced food.
 
When I moved out it was to get away from roommates.
 
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@dmckee Of course. And I'm not just counting "PhD? That seems like a great idea!"
 
2:19 AM
I'd suggest starting on-campus, because if you find it comfortable it is very convenient.
 
I'm super worried about the roommate thing if I get into Waterloo
because I'm aware I'm a difficult person to live with
Is there a difference between a PhD and a doctorate?
 
Roommates can be the best thing that happens to you or the worst or anything in between.
@BernardMeurer Some doctorates come with different postnominal letters.
Other than that they are all terminal degrees.
 
postnominal letters? What's that?
 
Except Ed.Ds, of course.
 
AH
What comes after your name
 
2:21 AM
@BernardMeurer Letters after your name. Like "DMckEE, Ph.D." (and feel are snooty or something).
 
@ChrisWhite PhD does seem like a great idea
 
yeah
 
Is "Implementing Open Source software on vegetables" a good thesis?
 
@dmckee are you allowed to write your ph.d on an area of your choice?
or whatever your supervisor gives you?
 
@BernardMeurer Don't go to grad school without (a) a reason other than "it seems like a good idea" and (b) having read 100rsns.blogspot.com .
2
 
2:23 AM
@dmckee That blog... So this is how I give up on being a scientist
:v
 
@3075 "Allowed" by whom? In the US it's not a matter of legal import except that pretending to credentials you don't have to get a job is fraud.
 
@dmckee allowed by the university I guess.
 
@BernardMeurer If you still want it after reading that and you know why you want it, then it's on your head. But failing those two things it would be silly.
 
@dmckee I don't think that'll change y mind. I'll read all of it
 
@3075 So, the university will probably answer the questions "Does DMcKee have a Ph.D. in [subject] from you guys?" according to what it says on my diploma.
My diploma just says "Physics", but I say I have one in "Nuclear and Particle Physics" if the person I'm talking to would understand and care about that specialization.
 
user54412
2:31 AM
@3075 Some supervisors won't pay you unless you do their work for them. Others won't have any idea what you should do. And most are somewhere in between.
 
@ChrisWhite I see.
 
Oh. I misunderstood that question. D'oh.
 
It's ok.
 
@ACuriousMind I take thst back this beer is alright
*that
 
 
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5:55 AM
@DanielSank Alright, back in the game with Isabel
 
6:22 AM
@AccidentalFourierTransform Hi. I don't know what I should call you. So, I just say "Hi":-) May I ask a little question?
 
@lucas Never ask to ask a question. Just ask it
 
@BernardMeurer Maybe he/she doesn't want to be asked.
 
@lucas Then they won't answer; and then maybe someone else will answer it for them
The point stands, asking to ask a question in a chat room is pointless. Ask your question and someone will answer if they can/wish
 
@BernardMeurer But my question is related to a thing in past that he/she said me.
 
@lucas Okay, I've given you my advice as someone who spends a lot of time here :)
I'll be off
 
6:27 AM
@BernardMeurer Thank you very much:-)
 
7:26 AM
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7:37 AM
@JohnRennie okay... they are a disgrace to my country ;((
 
user116211
@JohnRennie Please some high rep users remove it; it's vexing.
 
@ACuriousMind Would you say that a QFT defined as operator valued generalized functions, with generalized numbers for coupling constants, sounds like a decent idea
 
@MAFIA36790 Hi MAFIA. If I edit some old questions (for example by adding tags) to active them, is this useful for the site? Do I bother some one by this job? If so, I don't do anymore.
 
user116211
@lucas That depends on the question; you need to have a good legitimate reason to make them active- like they are lacking a good answer or deserve more attention or tagging is necessary etcetera; otherwise don't make such edits.
 
@MAFIA36790 Thank you very much.
@MAFIA36790 Another question: Should I write my good legitimate reason in the "Edit Summary"?
 
user116211
7:55 AM
@lucas hmm...no. You just need to describe what you edited in few words.
 
@MAFIA36790 Thanks a lot:-)
 
Hi guys. When we calculate a QCD process (for example two particles go to two particles) and we use the renormalized coupling constant, why should we evaluate the coupling to the energy $\sqrt{s}$ where $s$ is the invariant mass? My book says that it is the only quantity of energy dimension that characterizes the process... but there is also the variable $t =(p_1 - p_3)^2$ that is independent of $s$. So, why do we choose $\sqrt{s}$ as energy scale?
 
I'd say using $t$ to calculate interaction strength sounds odd?
You cannot evaluate $t$ at a particular time
It's only a quantity you can know after the fact
 
If I ask to myself : "what is the cross section of the process p1+p2-> p3+p4 with fixed momenta?" I know what is $t$
 
8:19 AM
Yes
You can use the coupling constant for more than that though
That's just a guess tho
 
"just a guess"??? :O
I don't want to believe to this
 
Well ask SE if you want a well thought out answer :p
Btw there is also $u$ that is Lorentz invariant
 
yes, but you can choose just two independent Maldestam variables
 
8:54 AM
But like
When two particles interact, the asymptotic momentum isn't known yet
It can't influence the interaction
Not sure it's a good argument but that's what pops to mind
 
Ok, It sounds yet as a guess... there is any relation between the scale at which evaluate the coupling and the energy $\sqrt{s}$?
:)
 
Iirc it's like $ln(\sqrt s / \mu$
 
@MAFIA36790 Now deleted! :-)
 
 
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10:17 AM
I wait for an answer of @ACuriousMind, as usual ;)
 
Don't we all
He should start charging for it
 
10:59 AM
@Slereah Um...if you mean your non-standard analysis stuff with "generalized function" (because a distribution is also sometime called a "generalized function"), then no, because non-standard analysis is (to me) just a way to get rid of the annoying $\epsilon$-management of standard analysis - what advantage do you think such an approach would have?
 
@ACuriousMind apparently you can do regularization with Colombeau algebra generalized functions
 
3
Q: What is precisely the energy scale of a process?

Anarchist Birds Worship FungusCoupling constants run with the energy scale $\mu$. But what is exactly this energy scale. My question is, if I have a physical process, how do I compute $\mu$?

@Slereah You can do regularization with whatever you want as long as it's, well, a regulator
 
Wondering if describing the bare coupling constant with a generalized number could be used to absorb that divergence
 
There's nothing except convenience for choosing some particular regulator
In some cases, choosing a particular regulator is "physical" in the sense that it respects some symmetry of the theory, but, really, you're extracting the "finite part" of a divergent sum, which is well defined (see Tao's blog post on zeta function regularization) independent of the regulator. There's no physics in choosing a particular regulator as far as I can see
 
I should try it on something simple
Like free scalar field + lambda term
 
11:07 AM
Anyone know how relativity explains centripetal force. Say the universe was empty, there was nothing but you, how do you know whether or not there is centripetal force acting on you?
 
@P.Andrews do you mean centrifugal
The answer is either 1) same as classical mechanics 2) same as general relativity
 
I get them confused all the time sorry
 
Either case you do a coordinate change and see it appear
In SR it would be because you are not in an inertial frame
It's no different than being in an accelerated frame
 
oh ok, but what if you were in an inertial frame of reference? How does relativity explain the forces felt on you then?
 
If you are in an inertial frame you will not feel any coordinate force
By definition
 
11:15 AM
Thanks for that
 
@dmckee That's a very US-centric blog, isn't it? (Not saying it's necessarily better elsewhere, but some of the specifics, in particular exams and courses in "grad school", don't apply at all here as far as I know, and it's not "school", doctorate students are employees.)
 
America is best
@ACuriousMind You should do the vzn physics session thing
Probably have some more credibility than me :p
 
@Slereah I have no idea anymore what kind of guest and questions there are supposed to be. Somehow we started with Terry Tao and now we're at me :P
 
Well he asked me, so obviously he's fine with barrel scraping
I guess we're not yet a Reddit where we can just get Stephen Hawking to drop by
 
Yeah, but a guest should have some appeal to draw people to the session. I get DanielSank as a choice, quantum computing has the potential to be interesting to other people
I don't see what I or you have to offer :P
 
11:29 AM
Well me I talk about weird topics
Surely a crowd pleaser
Obviously you should talk about algebra
Everybody loves algebra
Although to be fair I have no idea what the public is gonna be
My guess is the same as the people that come at the physics chat hours
I am wondering if generalized numbers and hyperreals have some link between them
Both of them are non-archimedean fields constructed from equivalence on the speed of sequences
But I can't really find any paper mentioning any
Apparently surreal numbers are made with an ordered pair of all numbers above and below them
Isn't that basically a Dedekind cut?
I guess maybe a generalization of it
 
11:52 AM
@ACuriousMind probably I am missing the point
I don't mean how to choose the renormalization scale.. Suppose I set defined $g(M_Z)^2$ where $M_Z$ is the mass of Z-boson. Now, If I have a scattering 2->2 mediated by the coupling $g(\mu)$, which $\mu$ should I choose in order to have a good prediction?
 
Isn't the $\mu$ just the cutoff?
Pick it superior to any relevant energy scale I guess?
 
why the cutoff? I don't think so
 
dunno
 
@FrancescoS That depends how you defined $g(M_Z)$ to begin with (your "renormalization scheme", cf. my answer - you can choose the scale to be defined purely by the s-channel and at t,u-zero, or you can choose the scale to be defined by all three channels equalling the scale. Regardless, there is no unique answer to what you should choose as the scale $\mu$ for a given process
What $\mu$ you choose merely controls the convergence behaviour of your perturbative computation
 
But, How should the running depend on the channel I used to define the coupling at a given scale? The running depends on $\mu^2$... so, how $\mu^2$ knows it is taken in a s-t-u channel?
 
11:58 AM
If the scale of your process is far from the chosen scale, then you'll get "large logs" that blow up rather quickly
 
I've had large logs, if you know what I mean
Surreal numbers are ironically a lot simpler to construct than the hyperreal numbers
Despite being even bigger
 
@FrancescoS Because you defined $\mu$ through choosing these channels! E.g. in $\phi^4$ theory setting $\mu$ means setting the resummed 4-point vertex to have precisely amplitude $\mathrm{i}\lambda$ "at scale $\mu$". It is your choice of renormalization scheme whether "at scale $\mu$" means "at $s^2=4\mu^2,t^2=0,u^2=0$" or "at $s^2=t^2=u^2 = \mu^2$.
 
wow... this is really tricky
 
Yeah, perturbative renormalization is a horrible thing ;P
 
Can't we just have a table of cross sections, like engineers
So we don't have to ever calculate them
Wait what happens if I write a surreal number as $\{ \mathrm{No} \vert \}$
Can you have a surreal number bigger than all other surreal numbers
 
12:08 PM
@Slereah no means no
 
It's a proper class so it is possible
 
@ACuriousMind anyway, probably I understood. Thank you
Guys, what do you think about the PhD in Theoretical Particles Physics @ Sissa, Trieste, Italy?
Sissa/ICTP
 
I don't know what it is
 
The ICTP is the theoretical institute founded by Abdus Salam ictp.it
 
I can't wait to understand the Thirring model because I'd like to see what renormalization looks like non-perturbatively :p
 
12:38 PM
So anyway
what is 1) a flux tube 2) a spacetime horn
I am wondering
From what I gathered, in spherically symmetric spacetimes
a wormhole has two asymptotic regions and $r$ has a minimum
Flux tube is $r = cte$
So I guess just a cylinder
Horn seems to be a spacetime with one region that is like half a flux tube
Also how far do wormholes actually collapse, I wonder
Obviously they can't collapse totally closed
That would violate topology change theorems
I'm guessing the cosmological constant would keep them somewhat open
Though probably pretty small scale
 
 
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1:51 PM
@Slereah what is cte
 
Oh right
English
Constant
 
Why didn't you write const then
 
it is cte in french shorthand
I think once home
I will fuck around with Wolfram Alpha until I can find a decent coordinate system for a plane with a handle
I think coordinates that generate conic sections are a decent idea
 
2:40 PM
Is there a function that spans all of the conic parametric plots
A function that goes from $\cos$ to $t^2$ to $\cosh$
Technically it's the function that solves $y'' + \lambda y = 0$
for all $\lambda$
But is there a specific one
 
@dmckee lol who would write that blog 100rsns
 
@ACuriousMind Yeah. That's true. And I don't know enough about the academic experience elsewhere to even know how broadly the advice applies.
I get the feeling that my Canadian colleagues have a similar experience, and that while the details are considerably different much of what is said is broadly applicable to most of the British Commonwealth as well. Beyond that I'm at a bit of a loss.
@Obliv The point is that a lot of people end up regretting grad school at one level or another.
I enjoyed grad school enormously, but the economic cost has been significant.
 
@bernardmeurer the 100rsns blog @dmckee posted should only discourage people on the fence. Don't expect a leisurely life in grad school & beyond for many areas of study. If you want a leisurely life go into another field where the $$$ is. Only pursue higher education if it's something you know you have to do and you don't care what it takes.
right and I'm sure you would agree it was worth it @dmckee and you undoubtedly learned a lot there and grew as a person. I think that's worth economic cost.
 
Compare to some of my college classmates I have lifetime earnings that are smaller by a factor of three to four.
 
It's pretty pointless to compare lives with other people imho. We all grow up differently with different desires. Unless you ignored them when deciding to become a physics teacher, I don't think living your classmates lives would satisfy you. @dmckee
that's why it's important to understand that grad school is the only option to satisfy your desires. It doesn't matter at that point how harsh it is, if it lets you get what you want.
 
2:53 PM
@Obliv Do you really know that? Many people seem to be able to learn to be satisfied with the lives they end up leading instead of pursuing the dreams of their youth.
 
My life would have been very different if I had not pursued the academic track., but that's not a value judgement.
I have the respect of my colleagues and get asked to do things like judge the Cub Scout science fair that suggest respect in the community. I have some flexibility in how I pursue my work that not everyone gets, but I haven't the resources to pursue some of the "bucket list" things my wife and I would like to do.
The thing I tell students is that further academics is not the "next thing" or the default path for them. That's why I am also suggesting that you know why you're going to grad school.
 
@acuri I acknowledge happiness is something we can create synthetically. Sure if you gave me a bunch of drugs to be content then I wouldn't care to become a physicist. I think that's similar to pursuing a different career & life to lead a 'content' life. I just don't think that's a valid path. If you strip yourself of all of your biological cargo except for your brain, got rid of all social/economic pressures, and asked what you wanted to do I think whatever that is, should be the thing you do.
 

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