The Loop

12:24 AM

Did anybody try to use linksfromdomainon bing.com lately?

If I enter linksfromdomain:website.com within the search field, there are a couple of sites I definitely never linked to (only appearing on the very last page).

G. M.

12:38 AM

developer.wordpress.org/plugins/the-basics/best-practices

kaiser

1:21 AM

https://developer.wordpress.org/plugins/the-basics/best-practices/#boilerplate-starting-points

There's your LOLz of the day

Sven

8:09 AM

@kaiser I did that once. Worst idea ever.

lkraav

8:51 AM

boilerplate is quite a realistic thing

if you stop at

1. a consistent plugin header
2. class naming setup
3. get_instance() method

that's it.

Rarst

queue holy war about (in)appropriateness of singletons

lkraav

when was the last time your plugin was running multiple instances

i'd really like to see such a plugin. not sure i have seen one yet

Rarst

for me the point isn't instances, but redundant and convoluted code implementing the singleton mechanics

lkraav

true. but isn't it like total of 4-5 lines?

to clarify your intentions to the world

Rarst

the code that doesn't exist has least bugs :) there is no point for class to contain singleton implementing code, completely irrelevant to its actual functional purpose

anyway, as above — just an automatic holy war topic :)

while we on topic of architecture

we discussed recently that Plugin/Container main class is "bad" and there should be Loader class whose purpose is, well, loading

so is it Loader/Container then? or Loader and Container? then how DI works? Loader gets passed Container instance?

lkraav

9:13 AM

my head starts hurting looking at your last line

Rarst

blame rest of the folks who pick on me for being behind architecture curve :)

toscho

Cloning in PHP, or why your singleton might kill WordPress

2

Rarst

why no code highlight? I feel like I've said that before.

toscho

Forces you to concentrate. :D

Rarst

squirrel!

kaiser

9:58 AM

@kaiser if person does not know what cloudflare is then he wo n't be able to answer too. This site and u ppl can block my account too. I don't think i will get answers here as ppl more interested in down vote rather than probing issue. If u or anyother person can't understand question they should ask what they couldn't understand. Anyways i have never got any answers from this site and this was my second attempt here , experience is same as last time. No answers but ppl will tell other nonsense things. Yes u can ban me I won't check this site ever again. — user995426 14 hours ago

Tom J Nowell

11:22 AM

For all the times i've pointed people who try and argue their question unclosed or upvoted to go to the meta site, few if any ever have

kaiser

12:41 PM

> Please, Someone, before I throw this brick at my monitor

kraftner

I guess you could just answer by quoting this sentence.

Rarst

1:43 PM

throw the brick, film it, put it on youtube, have it go viral, use advertisement earnings to hire professional to fix the issue

3

and new monitor. if you got left enough for more than one monitor — you got a business model there.

kraftner

:D

Rarst

if you don't — you are not a real business, you are a startup. proceed to raise millions of venture capital for monitors.

kaiser

3:30 PM

Template filter tickes #18859 4 years and #14310 also 4 years. Nice.

ialocin

@kaiser I literally looked at those - and other - tickets about 10 minutes ago, getting kind of indignant about how bad the templating parts of WP suck...

kaiser

Now I understand where the upvote of my answer came from :)

This was what made me look into if I needed to update the answer - I don't. Of course.

ialocin

you are right :) this is where the circle is closing

G. M.

we are all on template stuff today? :)

I may be some news, not for core of course

kaiser

> I may be some news

?

G. M.

3:47 PM

an utility class, I'm working on

kaiser

ah, now I got you :)

ialocin

4:12 PM

@G.M. I'm curious and interested, without even knowing what it is actually about

Rarst

@G.M. only one? :)

ialocin

too bad though one has even to utilize such things..

@all quick question, I'm the need of identifying template parts, for now I'm doing it pretty much like this:

	if (
		current_filter()
	) {
		$index = 4;
		$limit = $index + 1;
	} else {
		$index = 0;
		$limit = $index + 1;
	}

	$template_part_file = basename(
		debug_backtrace(
			DEBUG_BACKTRACE_IGNORE_ARGS,
			$limit
		)
		[ $index ]
		[ 'file' ]
	);

it's fast, takes about: 0.00003 s; memory consumption is about: 0.0002 MB

Now the question would be, am I missing something mayor here? Because otherwise this seems reasonable enough for me, at least for this project

Rarst

oh dear

can I say Twig? I want to say Twig

G. M.

@ialocin Yep, one this time

ialocin

@Rarst you can, but it is to late on this one

@G.M. should probably be a reply to @Rarst, right?

G. M.

4:25 PM

Oh yes, sorry @ialocin

@Rarst "only one" was for you :D

kaiser

@ialocin what is that?

Rarst

I got that :)

ialocin

@G.M. how dare you :) no problem at all

@kaiser what exactly do you mean?

kaiser

what are you trying to do?

$index = current_filter() ? 4 : 0;
$template_part_file = basename( debug_backtrace( DEBUG_BACKTRACE_IGNORE_ARGS, $index +1 )[ $index ]['file'];

shortened - still I don't get what you are trying to do.

ialocin

pretty much just implementing some template part specific hooks

kaiser

4:29 PM

debug_backtrace() won't be available everywhere I guess. Reliability of it - I dunno.

That's why I was asking

ialocin

luckily I have control over this setup

kaiser

see difference in versions

ialocin

so probably I should just replace the get_template_part function with a custom one

@kaiser I know, but I never work under 5.4

actually 5.5 now

G. M.

@ialocin if you can absolutely so. That mess has sense if you deal with code that you can't control

eg get_template_part is called by 3rd party

ialocin

@G.M. not 100% certain I follow you here

never mind just had to read it again

G. M.

4:39 PM

@ialocin I was trying to explain again :)

ialocin

4:59 PM

if get_template_part just had generic hook(s)..

I feel like I'm slowly but steadily adapting to this rooms overall perception of WordPress, I guess before I wasn't ready to understand

but enough whining for today

Rarst

post bashes DI Containers, ends up with “The Right Way” laughs nervously

kaiser

The Java world seems to be divided into really modern development like Dart users and really, really old dev stuff that runs on XML and XSD like the Apache stuff.

Rarst

the day I am writing 90–lines instances of a class I'm exiting this room and never coming back :)

G. M.

Most of things in that article make me think "you are crazy, man"

> I believe this is how a proper object-oriented application should be instantiated

I have a very different concept of "proper"

A code that no one can read but you is not proper at all, IMHO

2

Also the other article about getters/ setters has interesting points, but things I can't be agree with.

> Objects are not data structures with attached methods

objects should be data structures or behavioural things

having setters in the latter is bad, but not in the first

however rigidly follow this principle means every class that needs a state also need a data structure as storage passed via composition. This is overwhelming most of the times.

Michael Ecklund

6:14 PM

How do you display a dashicon using css :after? I tried just adding content: "\f344"; but it doesn't display properly.

Just displays as a little empty looking square.

Oh, I didn't even see their little blurb at the bottom.

ialocin

7:37 PM

if not anything else at least we have the carrot

Rarst

oh, new dashicons site... I was just grumbling previous version sucked

GhostToast

8:31 PM

i do like this better, but wish it was more search-friendly in-page

if i search in page it actually kinda breaks the CSS

kaiser

10:42 PM

What is the license of the Dashicons?

Sven

Dashicons is licensed under GPLv2

gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FontException

kaiser

just thinking about how you can license stuff like third party logo icons and how far a "do what you want" license applies

Sven

Good point

Maybe a honeypot? :D

kaiser

;)

Sven

Is the logo actually protected?

kaiser

10:59 PM

It's owned by the Foundation who owns the trademark. And they can restrict the use of the name and the logo. Example: *wordpress*.tld domain stuff.

Sven

hmm, but what about this:

> [...] it’s OK to use the WordPress or WordCamp logo as part of a page that describes your products or services [...]

Found that within the trademark policy: wordpressfoundation.org/trademark-policy

kaiser

> Permission from the WordPress Foundation is required to use the WordPress or WordCamp name or logo as part of any project, product, service, domain or company name.

...

> We will grant permission to use the WordPress name and logo for projects that meet the following criteria:

> The primary purpose of your project is to promote the spread and improvement of the WordPress software.

> Your project is non-commercial in nature (it can make money to cover its costs or contribute to non-profit entities, but it cannot be run as a for-profit project or business).

> Your project neither promotes nor is associated with entities that currently fail to comply with the GPL license under which WordPress is distributed.

Sven

yea^^

kaiser

So pretty much anybody who runs a Theme or Plugin business using the logo is violating those terms :D

The last time the site was update seems to be 2009 - assuming because of this:

> WordPress, freely available GPL blogging software with about 143,000 lines of code representing about 33 man-years of development. WordPress is available in 23 languages and has been downloaded about 18,000,000 times in 2009.

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