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G. M.

8:40 AM

@Sisir this is the way I use wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/164121/…

toscho

11:12 AM

Some of our users are misusing their close votes more and more. This is not acceptable anymore.

Tom J Nowell

11:22 AM

what are they doing?

toscho

To whomever voted to close this as primarily opinion-based: Please read the question before you cast a vote. — toscho ♦ 12 mins ago

Latest example. I lost my temper.

Going through the close vote queue shows much more of this.

anu

12:04 PM

That question should be closed

Rarst

@anu why?

anu

How is "Is a Javascript API planned" a good question for here?

Rarst

how is it not? make arguments what about it isn't in line scope or rules

anu

Um, ok

Rarst

it is development, it is factual, it is specific to WordPress.

anu

12:22 PM

I think all you need to do is look at the answers that question has received to determine if it's a question that should stay open. But, as always, if the community decides it's a valid question, that's absolutely fine.

Rarst

you are still not saying what is actual issue with the question

toscho

@anu You have to know this if you want write your own replacement or if you want to contribute to core development and are not familiar with the Trac. Or if there is one and you couldn’t find it.

Is there … is probably not a good way to express that question, because it needs a longer answer than yes or no.

anu

It's an open ended question inviting people to speculate on something that may or may not happen, and it's quite unclear. 2 people have decided it means the JSON API. one person has decided it means something completely different.

Anyway, if you all think it's ok, I'm happy with that. This is just my personal, subjective opinion

kaiser

12:39 PM

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Q: Is there a JavaScript API? How to access public and private data in JS?

According to this post there is no built-in JavaScript API for Wordpress. Therefore developers who want to build on AJAX seem to come up all with their own solution which doesn't seem right to me. What I really miss apart from fetching posts or whatever data with a built-in API is a small set o...

Reworked slightly to make it more focused. Imo, it was mainly a problem with a vague the title @anu

To me it sounded more like "I'm confused from looking at crappy AJAX implementation examples"

Also, "future-core" is in scope. And that is what the JSON API is. And that API will be what replaces much of the workflow. So no, my answer isn't different, it's just focused on the now, not on the "next version feat" part.

Stack Exchange

2:18 PM

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Q: Downvoting of WooCommerce related questions

I have noticed that pretty much any questions tagged with woocommerce receives downvotes, most of the time instantly. The current tag page of it looks insane. Basically, what is going on? I saw some threads about the official site linking WPSE for support but that does not seem to be the case a...

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Mark Kaplun

2:56 PM

@toscho, when asked what will be in the future the only possible answers are speculations. If you are involved with core development you might have some idea of what might happen in the next half year, but AFAIK no one of the regulars here is involved with core development. therefor that JS API question is opinion based

In addition it is totaly not clear wtf is JS API. Some of the things he asked for can be easily acheived with DOM and HTML5 API, is he talking about some node.js binding?

toscho

@MarkKaplun Questions on our site are not written for the regulars only. Many regulars tend to forget that …

A question with a very similar scope: Why are there updates for obsolete WordPress versions?

Mark Kaplun

it is a matter of how bad a question is. I think the original version was extremely bad and it was a question of why it should be closed, not if. From what I understand @kaiser, decided to take it to the AJAX direction but even now 3 of the 4 items listed can be done today and are pure client side and the group item.... how knows what it means.

toscho

Besides that, it doesn’t matter how many people can answer a question. If an answer is possible and the question is about WordPress development, it is on topic.

Mark Kaplun

he asked for speculation. nacin spexulated that future development of core will be in JS and look where we are today. I can even find a proper documentation on how to use the media dialog, and not even talking about how to extend them

Tom J Nowell

3:44 PM

If I were to close that question it would be because it's very broad

having said that, the obvious answer is Ryan McCues REST API

and the WP AJAX API

at which point an answer can be a list of current standardised and active APIs

so it stays

kaiser

4:14 PM

@MarkKaplun I understand your close vote and your point of view there. It's as valid as the question itself. But there's always a chance to make a question better. That's why we got community edits on questions and answers. Please read this Meta question:

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Q: Should one answer a (borderline) off-topic question?

Consider the following scenario: A (new) user asks a question that is related to a specific plugin. It may or may not employ core functionality, but is at least borderline, if not entirely, off-topic. It however is not badly phrased and does show some research effort (apart from having ignored th...

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Rarst

@MarkKaplun WP roadmap is not a secret sauce, the development happens in public, so does planning. the declared JS dev goals for core might not happen, but the fact is that they are work in progress and declared as goals right now is factual information

kaiser

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A: Should one answer a (borderline) off-topic question?

I feel strongly that border-line scope questions should be answered. This is clearly an unpopular answer by high-rep users, but as someone slight more representative of the masses, I can tell you it is insanely frustrating to see so many questions closed as off-topic. I would guess 15% of the q...

User refers to off topic question, which are open. Crazy, right?

Tom J Nowell

4:31 PM

I'd like to note the REST API is planned

when it will be merged is the question, not if

Mark Kaplun

4:46 PM

I don't take to heart that @toscho got upset about that close vote. But no edit could have saved that question, as the author clearly doesn't understand enough what can be done today in JS and he is basing his question on an unofficial speculation. There is no reason to supply an API to check if the user is logged in when all you need to do is check the existence of the authorization cookie. The menu state can be retrieved from DOM, browser info you can get with the HTML5 JS API.

wordpress doesn't need to do any explicit thing to support those requested use cases

Rarst

that's precisely the difference between API and DIY, which is also why we have WordPress in first place and not hacking it together with raw PHP :)

Mark Kaplun

:)

But the things he asked about are going to be no more then wrappers if anyone will bother to implement them at all

Rarst

wrappers are like the most important thing there is. managing abstraction makes it or breaks it.

Mark Kaplun

wordpress dosen't have $_WP_SERVER constant to wrap $_SERVER just to get the wp prefix there

Rarst

but you use conditional tags rather than scrape URL out of $_SERVER and make sense of it

Mark Kaplun

4:49 PM

yes, but only when there is a point to the abstraction

what would be a point to an abstraction around the browser user agent?

Rarst

who knows? but APIs are necessary overall, there is no denying that

Mark Kaplun

conditional tags are set after the parsing stage and therefor has more information then there is in the $_SERVER variable

"Who know", that is why I call it a speculation. If the question was more focues maybe there was a possibility to give a less speculative answers

Rarst

and see above — roadmap for JS dev in core is not speculation, it is public factual info

Mark Kaplun

yes, but almost for sure it will not include API for the items asked in the question

Rarst

well now you are guessing :)

Mark Kaplun

4:54 PM

:)

I said "almost" so I think my statement is future proof :)

kaiser

5:26 PM

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5 speakers of a single company on a WordCamp...

Rarst

exactly my thought

kaiser

5:47 PM

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kaiser

8:20 PM

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Q: Admin approval for editing user profile

I was looking for a plugin but to no avail. Anyway, I'm building a custom Wordpress theme using ACF Pro (which works perfectly) and have added a lot of different custom fields for each user (like price, location, skills, etc.) What I'd like to do is control the prices or at least get an email as...

users advanced-custom-fields

And again a waste of time on trying to answer a plugin specific question. Turns out the OP wants to run stuff when a user updates his profile. facepalm

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G. M.

9:19 PM

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Q: How do I taxonomy terms based on terms they are used alongside?

How do I get all of a single taxonomies terms that have one or more particular sibling terms? For example, let's say I have the following taxonomies. Terms are listed underneath the taxonomies, and the parenthesis indicates have many posts the terms are used on. age taxonomy sixteen (used on ...

custom-taxonomy taxonomy advanced-taxonomy-queries multi-taxonomy-query

This guy put a bounty looking for someone that edit this mess...

maybe for 500 points :)

toscho

9:36 PM

@G.M. Oh wow, a NPath complexity of 12227604480. Very wordpressy.

G. M.

Yep :) that was written for something like sport: write something WordPress way

kaiser

10:10 PM

that would make a pretty sweet background pattern on a blog

Rarst

10:35 PM

anyone knows what the damn .semver file spec is?

kaiser

what?

Rarst

there is apparently bunch of utilities for managing .semver file, but no explanation (that I can find) what the file is...

and of course every search engine sucks horribly at just searching for literal string with dot at start

G. M.

10:59 PM

@Rarst seems it is machine readable file to know which semver compatible version a package has. I found it used only by Ruby dependency management tools.

Rarst

yeah, I got as far as "blame ruby"...

but what it is? it doesn't look yaml, I think...

G. M.

---
:major: 3
:minor: 0
:patch: 1
:special: "beta.2"

looking at a file like that a package manager can know wich version a package has... in PHP we have composer.json :)

Rarst

but composer.json doesn't do versions (well, it can but shouldn't)

I need/want version updates for stupid WP plugin headers in robo

it got semver task, so I was looking and what does it do

G. M.

11:16 PM

it's definetevely yaml used in ruby config files, where :string indicates array keys, object properties or variable names. Using ruby you can convert the code I posted above in a plain object with 4 properties: major, minor, patch and special. I assume that semver task do the same...

Rarst

yaml arrays don't start with : ?..

G. M.

no...

Rarst

well, this does?

--- # Indented Block
   name: John Smith
   age: 33

G. M.

if you use : before array keys yaml consider it as a literal string that starts with :

after that ruby convert that to a variable in ruby style

e.g. metabates.com/2011/06/28/…

SomeLibrary.config = {:foo => :bar}

Rarst

wait, where does "literal string" part comes from?

G. M.

11:24 PM

if I am not wrong you can use :name: John Smith in YAML where the key will be :name

Rarst

ah, gotcha... why the heck start key with colon?..

G. M.

because ruby does

Rarst

why ruby does?

ah, because. right.

G. M.

I don't know really :D

but everywhree I see ruby config I see colon before keys

Rarst

they probably just wanted it to look pretty

kaiser

11:56 PM

Friday night discussions...

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