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2:43 AM
hi alan munn
 
Hi how are you?
 
good, thank you, and you ?
 
Fine thanks. The main reason we closed the question is that it is the kind of question that tends to lead to lots of subjective opinions and discussion, which is not the goal of the site. That doesn't mean it wasn't a fair question to ask, which is why I created the chat room.
So let me start with a couple of main reasons (not that I speak for everyone, but I've been around a lot of TeX users, so what I say is probably fairly representative.)
Also, I should say that many of us have had really bad experiences with Word over the years (See some of the stories here: tex.stackexchange.com/q/2110/2693).
 
okay that is an intresting discussion over there
 
Crossreferencing in Word is simply speaking, quite painful. In LaTeX it's really trivial. The same goes for bibliographies and citations. Those two facts alone clinch it for many of us.
 
2:51 AM
okay, yeah that is a fair point
but I must that many of those just don't know how to use word..
 
The fact that Word is a proprietary format is also really important. I can no longer open my dissertation file (which was done in Word), but decades old documents created in TeX not only open (because they are plain text) but also still compile and produce the same output as when they were first created.
 
okay, fair point
 
I would consider myself a power user of Word when I used it. But at the same time, I had to deal with bugs that persisted over many versions of Word.
 
okay, yeah I only used 2010 and 2013, and those work excellent for math typing in my opinion
also for macros etc.
 
I'm not talking about their math capabilities (and yes, that's a really recent improvement in Word), I'm talking about basic functionality. But I suspect some of the versions I used were created before you were born. :)
 
2:55 AM
but let put the question like this, if you just want to type let's say 3 pages of math? In word I can type math faster than I can write, but in latex, this takes so much longer...
I don't understand why people use a system with so much more pain regarding math.
 
I think that this depends on a couple of things. One is that you are just learning LaTeX, so it's not that surprising that you can't type it very quickly. Also, with a good editor it's really easy to create macros for whole chunks of LaTeX markup. So this issue disappears really fast.
Just to give you an example, I commonly use a bracketted one column matrix in some of my work. (I'm a linguist, not a mathematician, but the markup is still math). I have a macro \fbun{} which takes a comma delimited list and puts them into an array with appropriately sized brackets. I don't think Word can do such things.
 
Okay, but even if I had an editor with a lot of shortcuts, and if I used macro's. Than Latex maybe is as fast Word. But still I don't have the feeling that I'm doing math, which you have when you make Math in word, because of it WYSIWYG
 
Well the WYSIWYG issue is obviously one of taste, I think. Since it's easy to preview quickly, most of us don't find this much of a problem. It's really a matter of getting used to it.
 
Okay, about that macro, such things word cannot do
That's sad, I thought about things like that.
But what would be an editor with a lot of shortcuts ?
or where I can create a lot of shortcuts
 
Right, and that capability, once you understand it, is an enormous time saver, not to mention making your source code very readable, since you're creating semantic markup.
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Q: LaTeX Editors/IDEs

hayalciWhat editors/IDEs are available for easing the process of writing TeX/LaTeX documents? Please state some useful features like code completion, spell checking, building final DVI or PDF files, etc.

There are lots of choices here.
 
3:04 AM
okay, that sounds good
and what opentype math tables ?
 
Most editors allow you to make shortcuts/macros, and most good TeX aware editors can do autocompletion of commands and closing of environments.
 
Can I use latin modern roman math font ?
I read that I need xetex ? Or is that almost the same ?
 
OpenType math is still in its infancy in LaTeX, since there have only been a few OpenType math fonts available. So most users use regular LaTeX markup for math rather than inputting the math characters directly. This is also a lot faster.
 
okay, well thank you very much for this information!
 
The standard font in LaTeX is Latin Modern; there are some others available too. (Search the site, there's lots' of good info here.)
 
3:08 AM
I now understand much better why all those maths use latex
 
One last thing. If you are likely to write a thesis or longer document, that has a lot of math an citations you will be wise to learn LaTeX.
 
yeah, one problem I have is when I get over 10 pages, word becomes very very slow at my compuer
so i understand that point
 
@KasperPeulen I have a draft of a 130 page book that takes less than a minute to compile. :)
 
okay, yeah, word would have crashed long time before that...
 
There are a few other advantages to LaTeX that we haven't touched on. How relevant they are will depend what kind of work you do. For pure math, they won't matter so much, but for other things, they might.
 
3:13 AM
Ok, such as ?
 
For example, many of us do statistical work and LaTeX integrates very nicely with R (the de facto standard for stats work these days).
I use the programmability of TeX to generate stimulii for experiments drawing from spreadsheet data. Although this is possible to do with MailMerge, it's much easier with LaTeX (and more complex things can be done.)
 
Yeah, I understand the point that in the end, you can customize latex as much as you want, while you can customize Word only as much as Microsoft want you to customize it...
 
As a linguist, LaTeX has a number of things that Word simply can't do. For example, in my work, trees are a common mode of representation, and I can enter trees trivially in LaTeX. See e.g. tex.stackexchange.com/q/17600/2693
@KasperPeulen Right. And as a result there are a lot of really useful extensions to LaTeX, for a huge variety of scientific fields.
 
oh that quite usefull for math as well!
 
@KasperPeulen Yes, definitely. A lot depends on what kind of math you do.
 
3:20 AM
The only problem is still, to learn it, takes a lot of time.
But luckily tex.stackexchange exist!
 
Anyway, I hope this has at least given you some things to think about. Learning LaTeX at the beginning can be daunting, but in the long run, I suspect it will pay off. If you're a student writing up things for homework, then maybe it's not worth the effort, but if you are a researcher (or plan to be), then the effort is likely to be definitely worth it.
 
Ok thank you so much for this information Alan Munn! Going to bed now :)
 
Ok. Good night. Nice chatting with you.
 
 
9 hours later…
12:30 PM
I think opentype math fonts are supported now in Latex:
http://ctan.mackichan.com/macros/latex/contrib/unicode-math/unicode-math.pdf
@AlanMunn
 
 
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2:28 PM
Yes, I didn't mean to imply that they weren't supported, but as the documentation states:

"This document describes the unicode-math package, which is an *experimental* implementation of a macro to Unicode glyph encoding for mathematical characters."
 
 
4 hours later…
6:24 PM
Another reason: Why on earth do I need to quit Firefox just to run the Word update installer. Grr.
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7:12 PM
@AlanMunn It seems to work excellent. Do you know if it is possible to convert autocorrect file from word to an autocorrect file for autohotkey (.acl to .ahk). I'm tring to write autohotkeys myself now.
 
@KasperPeulen Yes, I think it unicode-math does work well, but relatively few people are using it I think. As for the autocorrect, I have no idea. I use a Mac, so I have no knowledge of AutoHotkey, sorry.
 
 
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9:32 PM
room topic changed to Why use LaTeX instead of Word?: Discussion of Word vs. LaTeX (no tags)
 
9:44 PM
Ok, I made a lot of hotkeys now. Now I can type math symbols not only in latex as fast as in word, but also at the internet. I don't know if all browsers support this, can you see this:
∀ε>0,∃δ>0,(n>N⇒|s_n-L|<ε
∫_a^b
∑_k^n
ℝℚℕℂℤ
in chrome it seems to work very good
 
I can see it in Firefox, yes. I'm glad you have found a solution that works for you.
 
awesome
I'm using gummy editor for xelatex compiling. You work at the left side, and at the rigth side it compiles every second.
the stix works great for editing, it has all the unicode symbols i've used so far, i use latin modern (math) font for output
*the stix font
 

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