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9:58 AM

If we're going to make a function slower, it should be apply_filters() and do_action(). The functions add_filter() and add_action() get called thousands of times and need to be as fast as possible. core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14671#comment:28

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Q: Setup Wordpress Blog for sister?

11:07 AM

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I'm interested in creating a wordpress blog for my sister and was seeking guidance on how I should set it up. She is not very tech savy, so I want to be the person that sets up the blog for her and maintains it, while she makes occasional blog posts and stuff. Seeking guidance on whether to self ...

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3:14 PM

@Rarst A surprising number of people rated the Codex as 10 for usefulness

Tweeted by SiobhanPMcKeown on May 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM in reply to Rarst

out of 100? Yeah I believe that.

out of 1-10

hmm, useful as in links from one page to another work, yeah maybe.

It is occasionally useful, as long as you restrict yourself to the most common subset of usage

but once you stray, there be dragons

and unicorns

3:25 PM

no, unicorns would be helpful

sorry I meant to say leprechauns

I really hope that the new documentation policy isn't seriously thinking that all is well with the Codex

Siobhan seems more in touch with reality than that

As Otto has said in so many words, documentation is not important...

Good documentation is a waste of time and energy.

Tweeted by Shit_WP_Says on April 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM

3:27 PM

there we go..

epic quote

Seriously?

Wow

yes

the most wrongest statement in all of wrongness

I know he isn't an official spokesperson for WP, but why do people let him say shit like this?

3:29 PM

open source, open speech?

Yeah, but why not refute that kind of crap?

Anyway, whatever

from a developer that has to be one of the most preposterous statements you could make

because you can't be wrong if you are on the "right" side?

This is from the same guy that thinks version control is pointless

That was Otto too, wasn't it?

I don't remeber him saying it like that, but git is still in his "I don't get it" pile I think

3:32 PM

Ah, could be that then

but hey, SE worked out for him... one year dvcs shall... :)

Oh, was he anti SE as well?

to the shit account!

will certainly not be participating on [WP]StackExchange,mainly because I still can't actually figure out how the stupid site actually works

Tweeted by Shit_WP_Says on April 1, 2013 at 6:52 PM

LOL

followed

@Rarst jokes? its like a forum but it has an up and down arrow bro..

3:38 PM

Sorry, you lost me when you started talking “agile” and “scrum” and all that other nonsensical project management stuff.

Tweeted by Shit_WP_Says on May 3, 2013 at 1:38 PM

that was Otto too, I think

@userabuser no, he was quite serious, he was grumbling on wp hackers about how confusing SE is back then

SE is complicated

not for me!

:)

But you are toscho

just close all the things. easy

3:40 PM

I really do despise his kind of dogmatic rejection of stuff when he doesn't understand things

@Rarst maybe because its not as convoluted as post formats :)

some people are like that - they strongly protect their opinion, but easily change what that opinion is

but in his radical way, he enforces clarifying discussions

Sure, strong opinions, loosely held is fine. But when he's arguing from a position of complete ignorance, he just looks clueless

Doesn't he just get routed around?

Arggh. why am I ever getting worked up over it

*goes back to looking at pictures of kittens

it's weekend :)

my nap was interrupted :\

3:43 PM

...maybe he prefers old BBS style threads of usenet newsgroups for discussion?

@anu are you salivating at the mouth in anger?

Hah, no. Otto isn't even close to being a good enough troll for that :)

haha

watching a video about Docco … what do you think about Markdown in source code comments?

@toscho not sure about balance. too much of comments in source is not typically considered good thing either

PHP ripoff jquery-jkit.com/sourcemakeup

I like long comments, the IDE can fold them if I don’t want to see them. But I have doubts about too many structural restrictions.

4:51 PM

starting all answers with solution to your problem doesn’t make them more … solutional.

5:33 PM

no composer.json for core in 3.6 :( hope for 3.7...

6:16 PM

they going to incl. composer?

well, there is a trac ticket... core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23912 :)

6:59 PM

I dont think it'll gain much traction, since those whose word carries the heaviest weight wont see a reason or need for it

likely just an "ewww json" reaction

nacin might say something of note if we're lucky

Nacin said he doesn't like it in root

Bootstrap has composer.json and it's not even PHP project :)

where else is it meant to go?

surely if polluting the root is an issue then some wp- files can be moved into wp-includes

don't look at me... as for me there is already enough crap in WP's root for file that is actually useful for somtething to make a difference

nothing will get moved because backwards compat

then I think we can disregard that reason as an excuse

the actual reason is probably somewhere else

probably in that it sets a precedent

not that it doesnt already

precedent of what?

7:06 PM

well his current excuse sets the precedent that the root folder of WordPress is too crowded

which I doubt he intended to say but he did

this naturally leads to a "how do we get rid of file XYZ" problem, creating work

point...

which is probably the whole reason behind the excuse in the first place

that or its a json reaction thing

eitherway they have a system, svn

I doubt theyll endorse composer configs until they adopt it themselves

for which I guess the people who are paying for VIP hosting will be the best non-automatticians to talk to about that

I am bedazzled by bad reactions to JSON. too complicated for developers to put together? come on...

Ill have a talk with someone from human made about it when I get the chance, they opted for the VIP hosting

The boss has had the marketing spiel from Automattic for VIP and didn't buy it

otherwise this evening I'm modifying my computercraft programs

John P Bloch is at 10up and interested

Just converted a site to deploy with Composer using WPackagist and @Rarst's sample composer.json. Zipped repo dropped from 15M to 5M

Tweeted by johnpbloch on May 18, 2013 at 4:59 PM

7:10 PM

humanmade use capistrano too

at human made Daniel Bachhuber seems interested

I need to experiment with it, only done brief research on the subject

Daniels new

and remote too

yeah, but it starts somewhere :)

but they've some pretty technical people there

Im sure given enough drink they'll be happy to bitchfest about PHP and code quality

not that they dont do that themselves given enough time

I know, I am on twitter terms with most

7:12 PM

eh Im not the biggest twitter user but they're nice in person

if you can get to WC Europe they'll be there

Tamlyn rocks for putting wpackagist together, but I don't think his agency has much pull in WP circles (I didn't know of them before)

who else is there... Simons? need to get Simons hooked :)

Simons?

Whats tamlyns @handle?

Code For The People

oooh Wheatley too?

@tamlyn, Finsbury Park, London

Developer, designer, user advocate. Partner at @outlandishideas making data-driven web applications.

3.4k tweets, 668 followers, following 235 users

8:01 PM

JohnnyCache – Firefox plugin to prevent aggressive caching during development.

I pretty much ditvhed Firefox for dev :\ Chrome is close in dev stuff and much snappier overall

ehm, you have to fix the XPI file to make it work in FF 20

bah

Web Developer can disable cache (and ton of other stuff)

8:31 PM

the firefox inspector is strange

at least chromes inspector is pretty similar to safari and even IE

that's probably subjective since Chrome hired Firebug guy to do their inspector :)

Im sure chrome had an inspector before that happened

the firefox inspector is pretty but it's not exactly intuitive

hm, or I am confusing something...

ah, it was lead developer, not original creator

Oh, cool, Ravs fixed his answer now. I have seen other newbies just deleting their post after a downvote.

8:54 PM

Agreed, FF inspector is pretty, but still Firebug for FF beats it hands down. I use FF (primary) and Chrome secondary. Only thing Chrome is missing is a serious vertical tabs plugin with scroll wheel support, grouping, etc. If it had one as good as FF's I'd likely use Chrome more..

soon Opera will be Chrome plugin with serious vertical tabs... :)

if so then I will be using it :)

I like Dragonfly more than Chrome inspector.

Good search, nice error tab.

I wonder what the timeline on that is... the thoughts "it will all be ok" and "they will ruin it to the last stone" are fighting

So many important developers left Opera. I have doubts.

8:57 PM

I dislike Dragonfly very much. it doesn't know when to get out of your way on page itself, it loads/behaves jerky, it's strange with multiple pages...

Dragonfly feels more like Firebug for some reason.. Chrome inspector is good but I just can't fall in love with it

Dragonfly feels like they had same ideas like Chrome Inspector on fraction of a budget. same starting point, much less smooth end product

I have the opposite impression. :)

well, do you think it will make it to the Blink side? if not - better start on liking chrome inspector :(