Japanese Language - 2013-05-02

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Anonymous

12:02 AM

@djahandarie I think I remembered wrong! I think it was 派生する

Anonymous

I hope you all don't mind me trying to participate in discussions of Japanese even though I don't really know what I'm talking about... :-) I'm trying to learn!

Anonymous

I found that paper about める／まる and it says 派生する

Anonymous

tulips.tsukuba.ac.jp/limedio/dlam/B23/B2362089/7.pdf

Anonymous

4:25 AM

24 secs ago, by snailboat

I wonder if a message can quote itself

6:20 AM

A few quick questions on grammar:

How would one combine quotes together? Would one just put と or って after each quote without anything else between them?

For instance, "Quote A" and "Quote B"

oh dear, I've forgotten my other questions

Anonymous

6:52 AM

I think you just put them together without any coordinator

Anonymous

「Quote A」「Quote B」

Anonymous

But I guess it depends on what you want to say...

Anonymous

Well, hopefully someone else will answer your question.

Anonymous

But I think that quotative と is not the same particle as the parallel marker と

Anonymous

引用の「と」　("quotative と") = 格助詞
「AとBとCと」の「と」 = 並立助詞

Anonymous

7:08 AM

1. 「Quote A」「Quote B」って言う
2. 「Quote A」って、「Quote B」って言う
3. 「Quote A」って（言う）、「Quote B」って言う
4. 「Quote A」「Quote B」と言う
5. 「Quote A」と「Quote B」と言う

Anonymous

7:20 AM

I think:
1 is okay (asyndetic coordination, って applies to both quotes together)
2 is okay (gapping--the verb is omitted)
3 is okay (same as 2, except the verb is not omitted)
4 is okay (asyndetic coordination, と applies to both quotes together)
5 is okay (syndetic coordination, the first と joins both quotes, the second と is quotative and applies to AとB)

Anonymous

But I would be happy if someone corrected me :-)

Anonymous

9:05 AM

@小太郎 That might be a good question for the site :-)

9:38 AM

Hm, I might ask it later :P

3 hours later…

1:00 PM

@snailboat the text in the "favorites" sidebar is "chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9239378#9239378 - 8h ago by snailboat"

おお！７人もいる～

@Chocolate Yes, リンかけ is the short name for Ring ni kakero. What I am not sure of is what the interviewer is asking about? The most powerfull punch in the manga, maybe? And I don't understand what the interviewed answered. D:

1:17 PM

@Chocolate regarding the geisha of Higashiyama Onsen, I was also a bit confused as to whether I should contact the tourism association, or the hotel.

The website talks about booking with the hotel, but the email from the association that you translated talked about supplying the association with details. However, maybe that's because they were talking about what to do if I booked with their hotel.

1:46 PM

How is て form used in 関西弁 ?

@AndrewGrimm I checked their email. I think they're saying they want you to let them know the details through the hotel you're staying at. So I think you could just give the details to the hotel you've booked.

Oh, he's just left.

I have a friend asking about "アカンてアカンて"

I'm slow. I'm late. always

@Flaw アカンてアカンて、言いますねえ

What is the role of て ?

その「て」は、quotative と　ですね

『「アカン」って』

1:57 PM

「アカンてアカンて」標準語でどう言いますか

「ダメだって」とか「ダメだってば」とか「だめだよ」とか。

「だめだよ、だめだよ」みたいな

「アカンで。」は「ダメだ(よ)。」に、近いですが、

でも、「だって」の「って」は「quotativeって」ですか

「アカンて」(or「アカンって」)は、"Nonono, stop it" みたいに、急いで、何かをやめさせようとするときに良く言います。

『「だめだ」ってば』というときの、「だって」？

It's not the だって in 「だって、女の子なんだもん」(だって=because)

（語源は同じでしょうけど・・）

「って」in「ダメだって。」「ダメだってば。」is quotative. It's short for 「ダメだって言ってるでしょう」

(what is the ば, btw?)

So I think 「アカンて」 is short for 「アカンって言うてるやん」

(で in アカンで is a sentence ending particle(終助詞?) like, よ、ね, etc)

2:19 PM

I'm struggling with understanding the sentences

Thanks Chocolate. (Now going to bed)

@Flaw ごめん～

@AndrewGrimm Good night^^

Oops he's just left.

www

again

いえいえ、僕のほうが悪いです

I'm trying to solve ダメだって言ってるでしょう

Does it mean "I'm saying that it's no good"?

Or "I'm telling you to stop it"

アカンて would be ダメだって, ダメだってば or だめだよ in standard Japanese.
アカンてアカンて is like だめだよ、だめだよ.
アカンで is closer to だめだよ, but
アカンて / アカンって is like, "nonono, stop it". We often say this when you want to stop someone from doing something, often in a hurried way.

It's different from だって in だって、女の子なんだもん(=because I'm a girl, you know)

Etymologically, these are from the same origin, though

翻訳してくれてありがとう

2:31 PM

ダメだって言ってるでしょう is literally "I'm saying that it's no good" "I'm saying you shouldn't do that" or "I'm telling you to stop it",

Oh yes you've just said that

Yay! My interpretation matches one of yours

ｗｗｗ

I'm feeling happy because I haven't gotten anything right in a while.

今日、過去の物理試験の問題を練習します。

ほとんどぜんぶ間違えました

(grammar error, it should have been past tense)

3:07 PM

@Flaw がんばって～

I think I'm going to sleep. I'm not learning anything. 問題解答を見ても分かりません。

@Flaw おお・・・おやすみ・・・

じゃ、また。おやすみ～

I seem to be snowed in

3:41 PM

@jkerian 閉じ込められた？

great time for cross country skiing

え。雪降ってんの？

@Chocolate そう

おおお

雪、好き～

ww

（↑呑気。）

huh... new word for me

3:45 PM

was that a pun?

のんき～（←ちょっとアホっぽい）

punじゃなかったけど、韻を踏んでいたね～

So you can't get home because of heavy snow?

車とか、電車が止まってるとか・・・

oh i thought it might have been a joke on 好きー＝スキー

www

ほんまや！気付かんかった

4:30 PM

@Chocolate Actually, I can't get to work

I could drive to work without a problem, but there's too much snow in the parking lot at work... I can't park

Anonymous

4:43 PM

Good morning!

6:59 PM

@jkerian ええっ・・・なんとゆう・・・

@snailboat おはよう~

Anonymous

7:11 PM

AやらBやら・・・
AやBや・・・

Anonymous

Ah! 〜やら〜やら is in the Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar

Anonymous

Oh no! I've been typing へいりつじょし instead of へいれつじょし

Anonymous

並列助詞　並立助詞

Anonymous

Hehe!

Anonymous

Wait a second... they're both in my dictionary

Anonymous

7:22 PM

Phew, I guess it wasn't wrong :-)

Anonymous

It's weird that 並立 and 並列 would both be okay... I guess 並立 and 並列 are similar words..?

Anonymous

I'm looking at 日本語文法ハンドブック, and there's a section on 列挙の形式・・・

全部列挙：〜と〜
部分列挙：〜や〜（など）、〜とか〜とか、〜やら〜やら、〜だの〜だの、〜といい〜といい、〜といわず〜といわず、〜であれ〜であれ、〜にしても〜にしても、〜にせよ〜にせよ、〜にしろ〜にしろ、〜でも〜でも
選択的列挙：〜か〜（か）、〜なり〜なり

It also talks about ~に〜、および、ならびに、または、あるいは

Anonymous

So many 部分列挙　＠＿＠；

Anonymous

It says 「〜だの〜だの」は「〜とか〜とか」に近い意味を持ちますが、現在では否定的なニュアンスで用いられるのが普通です。

Anonymous

and 「〜やら〜やら」も「〜とか〜とか」に近い意味を持ちますが、特に存在や感情などの状態に様々な要素が混在して整理されていない状態を示すときに用いられます。

7:37 PM

やら～やら、だの～だの、は、否定的なニュアンスがありますね

Anonymous

I'm reading about them but it isn't quite clicking in my head yet @_@;;

Anonymous

7:52 PM

Oh! There's a question about 〜やら〜やら

Anonymous

10

Q: Usage of ～やら～やら vs ～や～や

What is the conceptual difference, or difference in nuance between these two constructions when used to mean 'and'? I realize there are some syntactic differences, such as や not appearing after the final item being enumerated, but as far as general nuance is concerned, is there any significant d...

word-choice particles

Anonymous

8:04 PM

I don't see a question about だの〜だの

8:31 PM

Someone commented 都对哦！满分！on my lang8 journal.
Google Translate said it means 「Oh! Out!」「ああ！アウト！」
Weblio機械翻訳 said it's 「全て正しいです！満点！」

Google翻訳、ほんまアカンわ～ｗｗｗｗ

Anonymous

Ah! Google Translate is funny :-)

11:55 PM

Oh he's talking to someone?
http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/177/pronouncing-%E3%81%8C-as-nga/11808#11808

He's asking "Mark" something

Anonymous

Ah, Mark Hosang was an answerer, it looks like...

Anonymous

I could convert it to a comment on Mark Hosang's answer

Thanks~ おやすみ～

Anonymous

おやすみ！

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