Yes! Must study!

And by study, I mean play video games

This game just used the word 頼もしい

If that comes from 頼む・・・ are there other adjectives made from verbs like that?

Ah! Now i have 52910 L points. That is slightly more than 30

I was thinking about what part of speech a 連用形 is

It seems like it can be a noun: 狙い、近く

Or an adverb: 近く

Or as ... something: 狙い　＋　ます

Or as ... something else, as in て形 before a verb or 中止形

1. is verb or adjective, 2. is adjective only, 3 is verb only, 4 is adjective or verb

You can say 近くあり but not 近くます

Hmm, confusing

I found a paper with more constructions with two をs in coordination. I'm a little confused about how it's written

"Mary-ga [[ John-ni ringo-o 2-tu]-to [Bob-ni banana-o] age-ta."

"Mary-NOM John-DAT apple-ACC 2-CL and Bob-DAT banana-ACC give-PAST"

"Mary gave two apples to John and the bananas to Bob."

I'm not sure what exactly that 2-tu thing is.

NOM DAT ACC PAST all make sense (nominal, dative, accusative, past)

CL is clause I guess?

But what's tu

Oh god. It's 二つ isn't it

Damn you, romaji!

So CL must be like counter or such.

Well, 2つ vs 2-tu

I agree about the just weird part.

A lot of these ling papers write out stuff like this.

Well, I think it's useful, but I'm not used to it exactly

So sometimes I fail to see what would be obvious to me if it were written more usually T_T Like 2つ ＝ 2-tu

Feeling dumb right about now :-)

マリーが　[[ジョンに林檎を二つ]　と　[ボブにバナナを]　あげた。

And now I realize the brackets don't add up to 0.

I guess the last ] goes before あげた

Second example: [[マリーがジョンに林檎を二つ]　と [スーがボブにバナナを]]　あげた。

I agree. My guess about where the missing ] goes is based on the second example

The paper says "This is puzzling for two reasons. First, it is not clear what syntactic category should be assigned to a constituent like [Subj I-Obj D-Obj]. Second, although such a structure is closer to a clause rather than to a NP, it is the to conjunction particle that is used, not te."

Hello Chocolate!

The sky is clear here. (But I like rain!)

Wow

That wind map is neat.

Wow, this is more fun than Weather Underground

But 恨めしい and 頼もしい seem different, they have -e and -o

I suppose 恨める is an 一段動詞？ So if 恨めしい is from 恨める, then 恨め＋しい can still be 未然形

恨める　→　恨め　＋　しい

Is there a 頼もう？　頼もう　→　頼も　＋　しい

Um, maybe! I don't know anything about that

I checked all my dictionaries! (That means my two 国語辞典 and also 大辞林／大辞泉 online)

They all said pretty much the same thing (except 集英社 which didn't include it...)

None of them described it similar to "thorough and certain"

It seems to fit though, doesn't it?

imperfective

I know attributive, conclusive/terminal <-- those are obvious

Continuative I can remember because I learned that one in English first

Imperfective..

There's a 古語「たのもう」

I wonder if たのもしい is related to that

たのまむ　→　たのもう　（音便）

Ooh

There's a 好ましい and a 好もしい

That seems like more evidence that it's just a sound change, and that it's underlyingly 頼ま　＋　しい

Oh, and 頼も is a 未然形 form

A-ha

The わ comes from は from 助動詞「ふ」の未然形

So it's totally regular, except the sound changes aren't completely consistent

I was going to ask that as a question, but I figured it out myself

I think うらめしい is from うらめる... which is the -まる/-める suffix plus the same root as うれい, うれしい, うらやましい

gogen-allguide.com/u/ureshii.html

Or is it...

No, it's just 恨む　→　恨める, isn't it

No, now I'm confused :-)

Maybe I should ask about め in うらめしい

@jkerian I'm at a point where I think I know the answer, but writing my own answer is challenging because I want to include details I'm not sure of

It seems weird to ask a question I know the answer to and then not answer it--is that socially acceptable?

@jkerian I decided to answer it myself this time! :-)

@Chocolate I know there are two 未然形 stems for 五段動詞... -a and -o

Which I think comes from a sound change... 書こう　＝　書かう　＝　書か　＋　う

I learned that -a changes to -o before う, like in that example

My guess is that it's the same thing, but I don't understand 100%.

So I might ask a question about that.

未然形　＝

はしら-ない

はしろ-う

走った　＝　はしり + た contracted to はしっ + た

はしり is the 連用形

おやすみ！

Someday I need to learn when to use し at the end of sentences like that.

The other way around: you wonder if なし is related to that し?

Like... this, maybe? dic.yahoo.co.jp/…

@ssb dic.yahoo.co.jp/…

I wish I understood that particle better.

I've heard it described twice now as a listing particle, with the last し optionally deleted