Is there anyone who thinks we should just be tagging them particle-de particle-mo?

Or something like that . . .

Well, I guess particle-de doesn't make sense in cases where it's from 断定の助動詞「だ」の連用形「で」

Martin calls it a "quasi-particle". He thinks でも isn't a real particle.

But I'm ignoring Martin here :-)

I'm just not sure I know what all the arguments are about how to analyze でも myself.

So I'm just going by how it's listed in dictionaries.

日国 says 副助詞, and 広辞苑 says 係助詞

Does anyone have a recommendation for where to read about this disagreement about 係助詞 versus 副助詞?

I think the dictionaries that list it as 副助詞 do the same for other 係助詞, like for example, 明鏡 lists は as a 副助詞

So they're folding the entire 係助詞 category (for 口語) into the 副助詞 category

But I don't really know why . . .

Is it just because there's no 係り結び in Modern Japanese?

Maybe I should be posting this as a question on the site :-)

@Flaw Thanks! I see you retagged 7/8, so I went ahead and did the 8th one :-)

Oh!

It's でも not で＋も

Yes

I think so

At any rate, dictionaries say so :-)

It's like how in English, each other is special. It's clearly from each and other, and back in Middle English, you could put other words between them and it seemed to be two words. But now it's used like a reciprocal pronoun, and it would be strange to pronounce them separately or try to put words in the middle.

So each other needs its own description in a grammar book and in the dictionary.

We can tell it came from the words each and other, but it's taken on its own grammar these days.

@Flaw I think we could! Theoretically, those status-whatever tags are there for the employees' sake. They use it to keep track of feature-request and bug posts.

Because they use the meta sites as a bug tracker of sorts.

So in theory we probably should leave the status-whatevers alone.

I accepted the answer

And I left a comment

We have a number of really general tags that don't really help us find questions.

Look at the sheer volume of questions on grammar.

Most questions on Japanese.SE are probably about either grammar or meaning.

With a few more about other topics like orthography.

Having such broad tags doesn't really help us categorize questions, I think . . .

I'm a fan of specific tags, because they help us find questions on the same topic, and we can use the tag wikis to give a little bit of information about stuff. (I mean, in theory, if we ever actually get around to writing informative tag wikis :-)

Yay! :-)

How long did it last?

Every time I get a cool sequence someone votes on something I posted right away :-)

Ooh, you still have the screen shot! :-)

You know, I kind of missed that old design! But now that I see it in a screen shot, I don't miss it as much ;-) I like the new beta design better.

I don't know how long it'll be before we switch from the beta design to a full site design.

It could be a while. I don't think they're rolling out designs very quickly.

The furigana are wrong in that question.

I fixed it!

Wait.

That question says ぐらう!

> 髪は１か月に１センチぐらう伸びる。

I changed that, too :-)

I'm trying to update some tag wikis.

It's difficult to balance keeping things relatively simple/understandable on the one hand with being technically accurate on the other.

> 準体. Turning a grammatical constituent such as a clause into a noun phrase, often using a nominalizing particle such as の or こと.

This is the new tag wiki excerpt for nominalization.

Does that seem understandable?

It's called 準体 because "nominals" are called 体言 in Japanese grammar.

Versus 用言.

Hence 連体形, the form that modifies 体言, and 連用形, the form that modifies 用言.

So particles like の are called (by some linguists) 準体助詞

'nominalizing particles'

In particular in 橋本文法, I believe

According to 日本文法大辞典, those include 「の」「もの」「こと」「ぞ」「から」「ほど」「だけ」 (in certain uses), but those are variously put into other categories by other linguists

So if you make a 用言 act like a 体言, then it's a 準体言 – a quasi-nominal

Hence 準体

It might be better for me to write 準体法 though.

I'm looking at 日本文法大辞典 around p.323

But people do write just 準体: repository.cc.sophia.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/123456789/5348/1/…

So I chose to just stick with 準体 for now

I guess the 準体言 term is due to 山田, not 橋本

I wonder if they'd get free upvotes if they mentioned the sentence was from 坊っちゃん :-)

Or maybe, since it says 居る rather than いる, I should say it's from 坊つちやん・・・