Japanese Language

@DariusJahandarie: snailboat has 'owned' you....

Yang Muye

> Yangと申します

I'm a little curious about the voice of いう.

Because the actor can't be 人々

But it can't be 佐藤さん or 私は either.

I think 私は私の名前をYangと申します/ I call my name Yang respectfully doesn't make much sense. みんな私の名前をYangと申します/ People (should/normally) call me Yang respectfully is equally ridiculous.

という functions like である here.

4:57 AM

I think you should use みんなは私の名前をYangと呼びます or 呼んでいます(but i'm not sure)

Anonymous

@jlptn1 Yay, you came back!

Anonymous

Are you taking the jlptn1 again this year? :-)

hehe, yes I did! it's been a while

dunno, wasn't planning on it, you?

Anonymous

My friend wanted to make me, but now they're not taking it either

Anonymous

Were you happy with the score on your most recent pass?

Anonymous

5:02 AM

(I seem to remember you saying something about wanting to re-take it to get a better score)

Anonymous

My friends have been taking it each year and complaining each year that it's harder than they expected :-)

no, I wasn't happy and I would like to take it again

i got 115/180

Anonymous

I'm a bad friend. I've still never gone and taken it with them

I think 100 is passing

115 isn't too bad

5:05 AM

but with the amount I haven't been studying, I think I would go down and even fail

i've only been reading novels, with lots of guesswork

5:30 AM

元気ですかー！

あつかばいー

Anonymous

@Choko 罰金！

おおおｗ

I'm 罰金 too!

Anonymous

Yay!

愚零と

5:33 AM

暑いですか？

@YangMuye こういう人をロリコンという<< the いう is like "call", and

@YangMuye Yang と申します/いいます >> この「もうす・いう」は、ドイツ語のイッヒ・ハイセ・・・とか

中国語の　我叫とか

主語が違うと思うのよね

Ich heiße ~~ << 英語では？

My name is しかないのかな

@jkerian 私かな？ｗｗ

Anonymous

You can say "I'm called snailboat" but it sounds silly :-)

Anonymous

"My name is snailboat!" / "I'm snailboat!"

Anonymous

I should draw a snailboat

@snailboat Admitedly, it sounds less funny with screennames

Q: How to translate "a detail-oriented person"?

@snailboat there's an issue here

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If you go to a job interview and say, "I am a detail-oriented person", it doesn't come off as a negative trait. But I feel when someone says 私は細かい事を気にする人です, it has some negative connotation to it. Is there a way to say "a detail-oriented person" in Japanese that doesn't come off as a negative tr...

translation

or @jkerian

5:43 AM

おおお

でたか

Anonymous

An issue, you say?

ｗｗｗ

formerly newest answer

Anonymous

:-)

Their account is gone already!?

Anonymous

5:44 AM

Their nineteenth account . . .

It was so quick

Anonymous

I don't think they need that many

well, if at first you don't succeed..

Anonymous

The point of using Japanese.SE is not to call other users stupid or to otherwise denigrate them

Anonymous

It's fine to make a point about Japanese without doing so, though

5:47 AM

ええと、私、質問すらまだ、読んでいなかったので・・・

Anonymous

Or, to put it the other way around, being right doesn't give someone the right to be rude to others

ああ、最初に、「job interview」って書いてあるのね

Anonymous

@Choko Two users flagged it and ssb sent me the link on chat

Anonymous

We could edit it to remove the rudeness and undelete it if people think it adds value

I always find it amusing when people refer to me by my full name. I guess it makes sense since that's my display name, but it sounds so discordant in otherwise informal text.

Anonymous

5:53 AM

Ah, I have this habit of trying to reproduce people's display names exactly :-)

Anonymous

I can say @Darius !

@snailboat I don't see any value in that answer at all. A modified form of it might be a reasonable comment.

@DariusJahandarie: Tab-complete, :)

Anonymous

Yeah!

Anonymous

Tab completion is so addictive

When it's @DariusJahandarie it's perfectly normal, but when it is just "Darius Jahandarie" it is funny.

Like in that answer that was deleted.

5:54 AM

then from here on you will be referred to only as "Deej"

Anonymous

But

Anonymous

When someone's name is written 100% in Japanese

Anonymous

Even if I'm talking in English, if I don't add さん I feel like it's 呼び捨て

Anonymous

I don't know why :-)

When I speak in English I just refer to Japanese people by their first name (assuming it's the context I'd use a first name for an American person, anyways).

5:56 AM

frankly I feel naked if people don't address me as "the Honorable ssb"

Honestly, I suspect the 'correct' answer to that question depends a tremendous amount on the company/job

I took the interview part of it just to be an auxiliary bit of information, not what they were really asking about.

Anonymous

Sure

i have to wonder how the person asking the question in a situation like that would know which answer to accept as correct

Yeah, but the context is pretty important here. Specifically in regards to the deleted answer.

Anonymous

5:58 AM

@ssb That's a problem on language sites in general

Even I don't know which answer is correct, but I assume mine isn't if naruto posted an answer after mine. :P

Though mine hasn't been downvoted or commented on either, so I guess it's not entirely wrong.

I suspect that if your answer had even a scent of incorrectness it'd have a downvote by now

Anonymous

A scant!

Anonymous

Oh

Anonymous

A scent!

6:00 AM

I guess it's probably an okay thing to say, but that doesn't mean it's the most natural thing. I probably have no business answering these questions which ask for natural ways to say things.

it could be a scant scent

Anonymous

I thought you said a scant of incorrectness. I was all like, "Ooh, a scant!"

I've been writing an answer to this という question for like 2 hours.

Trying to link it with ECM but failing to do it perfectly.

It's clearly the same construction to me though.

Just a slightly different manifestation of it.

(I.e., it isn't actually literally raising a が out of a downstairs predicate, but the semantics of having both a を-marked and a と-marked on the same level like in 彼をジョンと言う are exactly the same as you'd have in a sentence like チョコは非回答者を ~~スケベ~~ 天才だと思っている)

Anonymous

I like the "raising to object" analysis. I think it's easier to follow than "exceptional case marking"

@DariusJahandarie わ

あぶないな

6:05 AM

ｗｗｗごめん

ｗｗｗｗ

直した…じゃなくて

strikeoutできないのか…

do other html tags work in chat?

お

no

Anonymous

6:07 AM

If you want to do strikeout in chat, type --- on either side

Anonymous

---snail--- ~~snail~~

This is the ~~worst~~ best thing ever

I see. I can't edit the message anymore though! What use is this chatroom owner status!

A: Site would benefit from strikethrough text-style option in addition to bold and italic

~~あいうえお~~

Anonymous

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You can use strikethrough already: In questions and answers, just write <s>strikethrough</s>. You can also use <del> or <strike> if you prefer. In chat, the alternate syntax ---strikethrough--- is used instead. In comments, strikethrough is unsupported, but unicode tricks will work for some u...

6:08 AM

you can schedule events

Events are ~~awesome~~ completely unused

Anonymous

They used them once in the English.SE chat room for hats!

eventって具体的になんだ？

Anonymous

Umm . . .

Anonymous

I . . . don't know exactly :-)

6:10 AM

ＸＸ月ＸＸ日ＸＸ時に、みんなで集まりましょう、みたいなのかなと思った

Anonymous

> Because you are a moderator there, an event that you schedule in this room may be advertised on japanese.stackexchange.com and tweeted by the site's Twitter account.

Anonymous

I guess I shouldn't try one out just to see

I've found the Twitter account to be useless.

げ

あかん

あはは

Because it takes so long to actually tweet things out.

Anonymous

6:11 AM

I think Writers.SE has events where people get together and try to write stuff.

Anonymous

I think that...

Anonymous

...if you've been in a room with an event scheduled in the past couple weeks

Anonymous

...and you're in any chat room when the event is about to start

Anonymous

...then it displays a notification at the top!

Anonymous

So you know to join that chat room

Anonymous

6:12 AM

Because after I left the Writers.SE chat, I got notifications for their events for a couple weeks :-)

すごいけど。。。そこまで宣伝しなくていいｗｗｗ

it's the one bit of consolation we have as chat room owners

great power with great responsibility

Anonymous

@Choko Hehe, I don't know what sort of event we could have anyway . . . :-)

みんなで一緒に日本語を話しましょう！みたなのかな

@ssb fortunately, with little power comes no responsibility at all... which explains much

6:14 AM

@ssb 絶対使わないｗｗｗ

Anonymous

We could all get together at the same time and read through a passage of Japanese literature or something, but everyone here knows different amounts of Japanese

Skypeとかの可能性も…

Anonymous

Oh yeah, I think ento scheduled a Google hangout once

Anonymous

Or something.

Anonymous

That was a long time ago!

6:16 AM

そうでしたわ

google hangout で一瞬 Flawさんのお顔を見ましたわ

we can make a "we miss you" event to spam people who left the chat with notifications

でもわざわざJapanese.SEのchat roomのeventを作って、Skypeで行け！なんて言ったりするのは、なんと皮肉なものだ

あはは

「土曜ぼっち会」

ぼっち？

6:18 AM

リア充ではない方

あら。ssbさんはリアルが充実してないんですか

充実してそうですが・・・

なんでやねんー

I just live in the mountains of Kumamoto

that's all!

I have plenty of monkeys and いのしし to keep me company

とにかく僕はチャットする時以上の屈辱感を抱きたくないなー。話すのはまったくしなくて普段よりミスだらけだ

ええや～ん　かわいい子供たちに囲まれて、きれいな空気、大自然・・・

少子化

6:21 AM

いのししよく見るの？

が進んでおり・・・

猿といのししは危険やな・・・

actually I've never seen one

I saw some monkeys only once in the wild

ｗｗｗｗ

Anonymous

At the corporate campus where I used to work

Anonymous

6:23 AM

There was a trail behind the office and

Anonymous

If you walked to one end of the trail, you got to a fence

Anonymous

And on the other side of the fence were farm animals, cows and such

動物園にはなかった？＞ssb

ってか…「いなかった」だな

Anonymous

Since I've always lived in cities, I was like, "Oh, wow! Cows!"

生きてるし

俺の大学で牛たくさんあった。

6:25 AM

大学に牛？　農学部？

うん

よく考えたら、農学部か、ただの会社か、分からない

大学と関連がある会社でね

俺はそういうことがまったく関係がなかった

コンピュータサイエンスを専攻したからね

@snailboat You might like this: soundcloud.com/lamp-japan/a-1

Anonymous

Oh, now I feel like I should qualify what I said earlier about "being right"--I didn't mean to imply that anyone is right or wrong in this case

Anonymous

Just that if someone has a point to make, even if they're right that doesn't mean it's okay to be rude to others

何の話だっけｗ

Anonymous

52 mins ago, by snailboat

Or, to put it the other way around, being right doesn't give someone the right to be rude to others

Anonymous

7:12 AM

flopdesign.com/font2/index.html

Anonymous

7:44 AM

I left that comment about grammaticalization

「ほんね」と「たてまえ」って、英語にないんですか

Anonymous

But maybe what I should have written is . . . it's better not to use a kanji when the word doesn't represent the meaning of that kanji

Anonymous

@Choko Oh, I don't know . . .

Anonymous

Honne and tatemae

Honne and tatemae are Japanese words that describe the contrast between a person's true feelings and desires (本音, honne) and the behavior and opinions one displays in public (建前, tatemae, lit. "façade"). Honne may be contrary to what is expected by society or what is required according to one's position and circumstances, and they are often kept hidden, except with one's closest friends. Tatemae is what is expected by society and required according to one's position and circumstances, and these may or may not match one's honne. The honne–tatemae divide is considered to be of paramount importance...

Anonymous

Wikipedia says "private mind" and "public mind" but I don't think many people would understand those phrases

7:46 AM

webmagazine-globalmanager.com/contents/en_jp/32

ひええ

表現はなくても、そういう現象はあるんですよね

Anonymous

(EDIT) I think that kanji express meaning, so when a word isn't used with the meaning its kanji express, it's better to write it in kana. That's why grammaticalized words tend to be written in kana (because they've lost the literal meaning that the kanji would express). — snailboat ♦ 4 hours ago

Anonymous

Hopefully that's better :-)

買ってん

イギリスで

Anonymous

Hehe, how to complain!

Anonymous

Ooh

7:55 AM

「イギリスにも、めっちゃ本音と建前あるやん！」とか思った

Anonymous

When I was young, I was at a restaurant and they gave me a fork that wasn't clean, so I said to the waiter "My fork is dirty" and I got in trouble for being rude

Anonymous

I was apparently supposed to just not use the fork

Anonymous

I don't think I ever complain directly in restaurants

Anonymous

Aug 19 at 6:36, by snailboat

I have never tried to tell anyone at a restaurant that their food was bad

Anonymous

Aug 19 at 6:37, by Tim

@snailboat Yes I think we normally try to lie.

Anonymous

8:01 AM

But I don't think of it as "lying"

Anonymous

So I was surprised by that but I guess it's true

Anonymous

...worth to mention that ちょこっと is mostly used by women and less often by men which makes it an element of women language. — Rilakkuma yesterday

Anonymous

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A: How to translate "a detail-oriented person"?

ふふ

私のカメラ画像はどうしてこんなに大きいんでしょう

あら。これも大きい

こっちのほうがきれい

@snailboat 子どもはいいやん～正直で

フォークが汚かったら「すいません、これ、汚れてるんで替えてもらえますか？」って言います

You do not use a first-person pronoun in a job interview. Who else could you be talking about? — 非回答者 9 hours ago

一方で・・・

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You can modify the "気にする人" part and say like this: 私は細かい事によく気がつく人だと思います。 Now this sounds positive and suitable for presenting yourself. And you can use a more neutral word 几帳面【きちょうめん】 (na-adjective): 私は几帳面な性格なので、細かい書類の管理や事務作業は得意です。

どっちやねん

8:17 AM

you're the native speaker, you tell me

Anonymous

I've talked about other people in job interviews

apparently it's not as black and white as some users might like to believe!

わからんｗｗｗ

Anonymous

Sometimes hypothetical people. Like, if you need to discuss how you'd work through a problem in a group

Anonymous

I don't know. Is it really weird to talk about other people in job interviews?

Anonymous

8:21 AM

As long as you aren't name-dropping to try to impress people (that can be a bit tacky)

@snailboat I would find that... strange. The customer is not the one to be embarrassed in that situation.

Anonymous

@jkerian I don't know, maybe my family taught me strange manners. :-)

Anonymous

Avoid conflict at all costs!

@snailboat There is a tremendous amount of context required. If you were applying for a project management position, I would expect to talk about a large number of theoretical managees. :)

Anonymous

@jkerian Oh, yeah, that's a good point

8:29 AM

@snailboat My family has a fondness for 'recreational argumentation'... I suspect our upbringing was rather different. :)

I love taking taxi cabs in New York City.... if you take a cab in Boston, you talk about the weather and sports. If you take a cab in Dallas, you talk about weather and sports. If you take a cab in Los Angelos, you talk about celebrities and sports (the weather is too boring). When I take a cab in NYC, I invariably end up arguing politics with the driver... it's part of the service.

へえ～

@snailboat I have probably interviewed as much as anyone on this site (both sides of the table)... but frankly I wouldn't dare answer the ELL/ELU version of that question without more context. Things are very different in my corner of the tech industry than they would be in other areas.

京都でタクシーの運転手は・・・あまり話さないかも

「自分では、几帳面なほうだと思います」とかでいいんじゃないかな

どういう質問に答えてる状況なのか、わからないけど・・

Anonymous

8:50 AM

@jkerian I'm sure you've done more than me. And I've mostly only done tech interviews

Anonymous

In what I think is normal in tech interviews, where people interview with 5 or 6 people in a row

Anonymous

I was always the designated C++ interviewer! :-) Though not at the moment

Anonymous

In fact, I need to catch up with this C++14 stuff :-)

Those are always fascinating. You get one or two managers, a team lead, a resident 'hardcore' geek, and then usually some random engineer whose head is still stuck in whatever problem he's working on. :)

My last 'serious' interview... I thought I did pretty well on each part except the team-lead one, where I thought I did terribly. Got the job, was assigned to her team immediately. Our evaluations of that particular interview apparently did not match.

9:10 AM

speaking of being annoyed... I'm annoyed that no one has complained to me about test failures yet, today

2:54 PM

@Choko I think for me it's more about "formal situations" and "informal situations". In formal situations you need to omit offensive details, while in informal situations it isn't really as necessary, you just need to say it nicely. A really nice restaurant would be a formal situation for me (though I think I'd ask for a manager if they really start screwing up...).

While in Japan 本音 and 建前 kind of always applies as long as your in public (as far as I know, anyways).

3:05 PM

匿名さんに間違いをご指摘いただいたんだな。訂正はしなかったようだけど。「なんと皮肉なものだ」のどこが間違ってるんだろう…

Anonymous

3:43 PM

I watched an anime series called Steins;Gate

Anonymous

It had an exceptionally large amount of fake names for brands and such

Anonymous

My favorite is the scientist who published in the reputable journal, Sciency

The protagonist of that show was massively annoying.

I don't actually remember much about it except that. I think I vaguely liked most of the other characters.

Way better than Chaos;Head at least, which I highly recommend never watching.

Robotics;Notes was not bad. The plot was a little lackluster compared to Steins;Gates, but none of the characters annoyed the hell out of me at least.

Anonymous

Oh, I read that there was a whole series of um, semicolon shows.

Yeah. They are based on visual novels made by 5pb. None of which I've played.

Anonymous

3:50 PM

I don't know very much about visual novels, but I played 逆転裁判

Anonymous

If that counts