Japanese Language

Anonymous

5:10 AM

We need to clean up the dictionary list

Anonymous

Is it really useful listing 5 different interfaces to EDICT and friends?

Anonymous

I mean, it's not like they're all different dictionaries.

Anonymous

If we're going to list places you can access a given dictionary, why not structure it so we can list all the places you can use 大辞林 and 大辞泉 too? And so on

Darius Jahandarie

6:15 AM

@snailboat I think so, it should just be clear that is what they are, like all categorized under an EDICT bullet.

Looking at your edit, I see that's exactly what you did.

Anonymous

I was thinking of reorganizing the list so it's based on accessible dictionaries, and interfaces to those dictionaries are listed underneath

Darius Jahandarie

I fully agree with that. I was about to suggest it.

Anonymous

The list feels like a bit of a mess at the moment

Darius Jahandarie

Honestly I think the biggest improvement to a lot of these FAQs is literally just to make them shorter. (Less prose, mainly.)

I feel bad just going through and deleting what other people have written like some sort of maniac though.

The lack of "ownership" of these things is kind of a problem IMO.

jkerian

6:30 AM

@snailboat I've argued for trimming them down... but everyone seems to have their favorite EDICT skin :/

Anonymous

@jkerian Well, if anyone ever tries to add romajidesu I'm vetoing it.

jkerian

is tempted to add it

I dunno... the dictionary part doesn't look any worse than average

Anonymous

But the guy who runs romajidesu was posting spam answers here.

jkerian

ahh

Anonymous

I don't know. Even the name . . . does "romajidesu" sound like a good dictionary? :-)

Darius Jahandarie

6:34 AM

It should obviously be romajidegozaimasu. How rude.

Anonymous

They edited EDICT. They added useful entries like these: romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-romajidesu.html

Choko

romajidayo とかさ

Anonymous

"This is Roman character"

Darius Jahandarie

@snailboat What is wrong with some people...

Choko

ローマ字って「羅馬字」なんだ・・へえ

Darius Jahandarie

6:37 AM

どう見ても当て字なんだけどｗ

Choko

A nice and easy-to-use online Japanese dictionary　だって！自画自賛？

Darius Jahandarie

多分自己紹介では作者が"A nice and easy-to-use person"を言うんだろうね。

Choko

え、ローマ、Rome って、羅馬なんだ？へえ

Anonymous

Sometimes people write "roumaji" in romaji

Anonymous

I always thought that looked weird since it's not usually ろうまじ

Anonymous

6:41 AM

Darius Jahandarie

僕も

一本眉かわいいなぁ（笑）

Anonymous

Unibrows are sassy

Darius Jahandarie

sassyがsnailboatさんの辞書にあるとは思わなかった…ｗ

Anonymous

The snailboat 辞書 contains many words

Anonymous

Including but not limited to sassy

Anonymous

6:47 AM

I've actually been drilling Japanese vocabulary and it's making my brain hurt :-)

Anonymous

I learned a まゆ word recently! まゆずみ！ Except I learned it as a name

Choko

眉墨？

Anonymous

The name was spelled 黛

Choko

え、黛？なんじゃこりゃ

Anonymous

There are a lot of kanji I ended up learning from names before I ever learned the actual word. Like, I haven't actually learned the word まゆずみ, only the name...

Anonymous

6:49 AM

I learned the kanji 辻 because of a name before I learned the word :-)

Anonymous

I like that kanji. It's easy to remember

Anonymous

It has two dots in this font... but in my other font it only has one dot

Anonymous

辶　辶

Anonymous

Is it supposed to have one or two?

Darius Jahandarie

今日、一時間「下町ロケット」という本を読んでたんだけど…「読んでた

」より、「読もうとした」だろうなｗ

４つの文ぐらいだったかなｗ

Anonymous

6:51 AM

@DariusJahandarie 頑張って〜

Darius Jahandarie

「いよいよだな。ああ、なんだかドキドキしてきたよ」緊迫感が漲る発射管制塔内で、同僚の三上孝が上擦った声を出した。佃航平は、モニタ画面に表示されている射点の様子を一瞥し、画面右端に出ている風速表示を確認した。相変わらず秒速十五メートルの強い風が吹いている。

その件は一時間だった。ｗ

Anonymous

Did they at least give furigana for みなぎる? :-)

Darius Jahandarie

うん。名前も。

「上擦った」も。

Anonymous

I think 漲る is a difficult kanji

Choko

難しい漢字が多いな・・・

@snailboat 辶　辶

両方一つに見える・・・私のＰＣ画面では

Darius Jahandarie

6:55 AM

まあ、僕には単純な漢字でも分からないけどｗ

Anonymous

@Choko Oh! On my computer the left one has two dots, and the right one has one dot

Choko

おお!ズーム500％

でかい

Anonymous

I get them by converting しんにょう　→　辶 or 辶

Darius Jahandarie

僕の画面でもsnailboatと同じだ。

Choko

しんにょうってうったら、之繞か、しんにょうか、シンニョウしか・・・

Anonymous

6:57 AM

I think I added the radicals to my input method dictionary some years ago

Anonymous

てへん　→　扌！

Choko

おお！

Anonymous

Because I was typing them a lot in my notes for kanji

Anonymous

I know the names of the common ones but not the rare ones

Anonymous

りっしんべん　→　忄
さんずい　　　→　氵
にすい　　　　→　冫

Choko

6:59 AM

つながった眉毛

Darius Jahandarie

こわっ

Anonymous

That is a charming unibrow!

Anonymous

Oh!

Anonymous

The other one doesn't have a brow at all

Anonymous

He must shave them off

Choko

6:59 AM

あはは

Anonymous

I know one is Ernie and one is Bert but I'm not sure which one is which

Anonymous

I didn't get to watch that show when I was little

Choko

わたしも！

どっちかわからない

Darius Jahandarie

@snailboat それても、髪に巻き込んでるかなｗ

「巻き込んでる」…「混ざってる」？

Choko

あ～なるほど

Anonymous

7:01 AM

Maybe his hair is one giant unibrow?

Choko

めっちゃ上にあんねん、眉毛が

@snailboat でかすぎやろ、でもいわれてみるとそうも見える

Darius Jahandarie

ああ、遅くなってきたな。おやすみ。

Choko

ごおｄにｇｈｔ

れｓｔ　うぇｌｌ！

Anonymous

@DariusJahandarie おやすみ！

jkerian

@snailboat that comic is completely illogical

Anonymous

7:10 AM

@jkerian It's on the front page of Tae Kim's guide

jkerian

I know... and it's totally retarded

Anonymous

I agree with you, by the way :-)

jkerian

If you don't actually know the word... spelling it in a less familiar script is not magically going to make you know the word

Anonymous

I agree that it's illogical, I mean. I don't usually say retarded myself

Anonymous

That word is not in snailboat's 辞書, apparently

Anonymous

7:14 AM

I guess a 類語辞典 is a type of 辞典

Anonymous

But I think in English a thesaurus is not a dictionary

jkerian

In this case... the word fits particularly well.

Anonymous

So is a 類語辞典 a thesaurus?

jkerian

@snailboat They fill the same role...?

Anonymous

They can go under the Dictionaries section of the resource list, anyway :-)

jkerian

7:15 AM

oh... yeah... definetely

The issue with the dictionaries section is that you can split it up in a few ways.

Anonymous

I'm going to work on a new way of organizing it in a file on my computer and I'll share it here when I'm done

Choko

「そなたの日本語もなかなかいいです」の「そなた」は

わざとかな？

Anonymous

Ohh... I don't know

Anonymous

I went through old posts that had been deleted . . . I undeleted some of them

Anonymous

Not that one though

Anonymous

7:23 AM

I undeleted posts by a certain user who deleted their account, but had previously deleted highly voted answers

Choko

おもしろいから、そのままにしておこう・・・

Anonymous

Hehehe

Anonymous

Well, most people can't see that one . . . :-)

Anonymous

It probably isn't causing any harm

Anonymous

japanese.stackexchange.com/posts/1946/revisions

Anonymous

7:28 AM

I undeleted that because it was voted up to +10

Choko

7:45 AM

そうですね。。。さわさんの回答が、質問の意図（というか状況）には、一番良いと思います

日常会話ですし。。

Anonymous

8:16 AM

Oh, interesting, Excite has 研究社新和英中辞典第４版

Anonymous

But I have the 5th edition on paper

Anonymous

I thought that online dictionaries would mostly be up-to-date

Anonymous

I don't know why I assumed that :-)

Anonymous

135,000 words versus 187,000 words

Anonymous

I used to have the 4th edition on paper but I spilled something on it and ruined it T_T

Anonymous

8:18 AM

But it's okay, I don't use it much anyway :-)

Anonymous

Yahoo! / Kotobank, Goo, Excite

Anonymous

Weblio

Anonymous

8:33 AM

Wow

Anonymous

amazon.co.jp/dp/4099068625

Anonymous

> 大辞泉 (<CDーROM>(Win版)) 単行本 – May 1, 1997

Anonymous

We're linking to a Windows version from 1997?

Choko

17年くらい前ですかね・・

Anonymous

We have a link to that in our resources list :-)

Choko

8:36 AM

あ～そのころ私まだ生まれてないわ。。。←うそ

Anonymous

Hehehe

Anonymous

sanseido.net/User/Dic/…

Anonymous

三省堂 WebDictionary?

Anonymous

It doesn't appear to be 大辞林

Anonymous

Oh, it's the デイリーコンサイス国語辞典!

Shazer2

8:51 AM

Hi!

Anonymous

Hello! :-)

Shazer2

9:03 AM

How are you?

It has been a long time since I've been in here

Choko

9:19 AM

そうですね、おひさしぶりです

Shazer2

9:29 AM

:)

Anonymous

10:11 AM

@Shazer2 Almost a year! Welcome back! :-)

Anonymous

How's Japanese going?

Anonymous

@jkerian It looks like two of those EDICT interfaces don't update their copies of the files and are way out of date

Shazer2

@snai

@snailboat I haven't been studying it! I've started university and have been preoccupied with that :(

Anonymous

10:28 AM

@DariusJahandarie @jkerian (Sorry, I used meta as a post-it note!) This is what I came up with when I tried to streamline and reorganize the dictionary list: meta.japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/1297/…

Anonymous

Maybe "Paper Dictionaries" could be a separate answer

Anonymous

There, I split out paper dictionaries

Anonymous

I didn't put in my new version of the online dictionary list because I don't know if it's an improvement streamlining it, but @DariusJahandarie you thought it might be a good idea so I tried :-)

3 to 5 business days

11:39 AM

@snailboat They have to leave some space for their paid products, is all

3 to 5 business days

11:50 AM

@snailboat Where's your favorite, 明鏡?

Or in fact, any monolingual dictionary?

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays I didn't touch the paper dictionaries section, I just cut+pasted it into a new answer

Anonymous

I figured I'd work on it another day

3 to 5 business days

@snailboat Most JMDict interfaces are out of date

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays I don't know why that would be the case―it's been easy to update since, what, the 90s?

Anonymous

But I'm not going to keep any out-of-date EDICT interfaces in the list

Anonymous

11:56 AM

So that leaves Jisho, Tangorin, and WWWJDIC

3 to 5 business days

old Jisho is out of date, so is Tangorin

so are a lot of mobile apps かねない

「ジョリジョリ」 was added to JMDict on Jan 4. It is not present on Tangorin or old Jisho

Andrew Grimm

What does "ﾅ@ﾅ@" mean? I saw it at brain.riken.jp/labs/ngs/index.html

Anonymous

12:13 PM

@3to5businessdays That's kind of sad

Anonymous

I searched for a term that wasn't quite that recent

Anonymous

So that leaves Jisho and WWWJDIC

3 to 5 business days

Also, I think Kotobank broke their search engine a little after the update

Beta Jisho is my go to though

It can gloss and de-conjugate

Anonymous

I'm not actually super fond of Kotobank

3 to 5 business days

@snailboat I'm slowly moving to goo

Too much crap on Kotobank

Anonymous

12:17 PM

Excite has a simple interface to 大辞林 and Goo has a simple interface to 大辞泉

3 to 5 business days

Weblio has 大辞林 too

Anonymous

I liked the interface on Yahoo! a little better back when they hosted both

Anonymous

I miss Yahoo! 辞書 :-(

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays Weblio is really nice in terms of the amount of stuff it has

Anonymous

But as far as I can tell it doesn't have an easy way to search a specific dictionary

3 to 5 business days

12:18 PM

Yeah

Anonymous

And the interface isn't always perfect, depending on what you want to do

3 to 5 business days

They also have a useful 実用活語 dictionary or something

実用日本語表現辞典

Anonymous

I don't really use any of the EDICT-based sites at the moment

3 to 5 business days

which contains an entry on 明後日の方向

@snailboat because you have a badass 電子辞書

jkerian

12:38 PM

@snailboat ship it!

3 to 5 business days

where to?

Choko

meta かな？

3 to 5 business days

1:12 PM

Wow, a family ate a pufferfish without knowing it is one.

Anonymous

@Choko I streamlined the dictionary list! meta.japanese.stackexchange.com/a/761/1478

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays Yikes!

3 to 5 business days

Jeez, I just read that fugu is prepared while they are still alive

Anonymous

T_T

3 to 5 business days

3:48 PM

Was confused for a second there by 男がおので警官２人を切りつけた

I was like, is it "男がお" + "ので" = due to having a man's face

hahaha

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays You'd have an easier time if they just wrote 斧! :-)

3 to 5 business days

そうでしょう

Is that not in 常用漢字?

Anonymous

It is not

Anonymous

It feels basic to me, maybe because it's graphically simple

Anonymous

Maybe because I play too many video games :-)

Anonymous

3:52 PM

Although I haven't really played much in the way of video games this year

Anonymous

I was playing a detective game on DS a month or two ago

3 to 5 business days

It has 8 strokes - so easy to write

Anonymous

Yeah, and both halves are really easy kanji :-)

3 to 5 business days

Then on the same article you have 襲撃 -_-

Anonymous

襲撃！　I think that's "easier" than 斧 (meaning it's more common) even though it's harder to write

Darius Jahandarie

3:56 PM

@snailboat Looks good to me!

Sometimes I wish we had the ability to make tables.

3 to 5 business days

CommonMark might make that happen

Darius Jahandarie

* blush *

3 to 5 business days

Whoa, inappropriate much?

Anyway, let's talk about pain

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays Haha, I'm sorry! I'll remove my much inappropriate comment :-)

Darius Jahandarie

Oh, we can give sleep-deprived boat a break.

Anonymous

3:59 PM

I need more caffeine.

3 to 5 business days

食パン is pain de mie?

Darius Jahandarie

I would think the obvious thing you need more of is sleep.

3 to 5 business days

In Wikipedia, those two are linked together

Seems like it's plain ol' loaf o' bread though

Darius Jahandarie

I think they refer to the same thing, but 食パン can probably be used more generally as well

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays Yeah a plain loaf, like normal bread shape

Anonymous

4:05 PM

箱型

3 to 5 business days

shock pan

Anonymous

google.com/…

3 to 5 business days

sounds dangerous

voted as #2 favorite kitchen weapon

useful against home intruders

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays What, a フライパン？

Anonymous

ショックパン！

Anonymous

4:08 PM

衝撃パン！

3 to 5 business days

uh oh

sense of deejav-voo

Anonymous

I just had to think for a minute to remember that fry pan isn't a normal thing to say in English

Anonymous

@3to5businessdays The Green Goddess sez

Anonymous

No wait

3 to 5 business days

Green with envy

Anonymous

4:12 PM

The Genius J-E says

Anonymous

日本の(箱型)食パンを指すぴったりの英語はない

3 to 5 business days

Is that for 食パン?

Anonymous

Yes

3 to 5 business days

Japanese breadloaf

Anonymous

Shokupan!

3 to 5 business days

4:14 PM

J-Loaf

Ja-loaf

Anonymous

Let's call it boxloaf

3 to 5 business days

b-box

short for "bread box"

Anonymous

But I think 食パン can be rounded on top like a regular loaf

Anonymous

yamazakipan.co.jp/product/01/shinshokkan-yama.html

3 to 5 business days

Boxes come in many shapes and sizes

Anonymous

4:27 PM

Now I want to make bread!

Xeo

7:29 PM

こんばんは

Choko

10:12 PM

おはよう

Dan Hulme

10:46 PM

こんばんは

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