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YeZ
2:13 AM
For those who can see it, my first delete vote!
@MonicaCellio Your hat is totally antisemetic in my timezone.
 
@YeZ what?? I am not following you at all. (It's about time to change it anyway, but... what?)
 
YeZ
@MonicaCellio UTC Saturday is pretty much Shabbos for me
 
@YeZ ah. In my timezone I had about an hour and a quarter between the end of Shabbat and the end of UTC Saturday.
 
YeZ
This past Motzai Shabbos was actually the first time it would have been practical for me to log on before UTC Saturday ended. Even with it being early, I usually am pretty busy motzai Shabbos. But I didn't log on anyways, because I didn't want to feel pressured to keep the streak going next motzai Shabbos.
 
BTW, it turns out (and I did not know this then) that the posts don't all have to be on the same Saturday.
@YeZ I earned the Fanatic badge one winter by taking advantage of that small window. There's a long-enough stretch between chagim and in standard time that works.
(I, um, had some things queued up before Shabbat, too -- for the hat, I mean, not Fanatic.)
 
YeZ
2:22 AM
@MonicaCellio I queued up answers ahead of time to try to get a hat too, but it turned out I had misread the hat reqs.
 
@YeZ oops.
 
YeZ
I need to post something to show off my new hatness
 
YeZ
2:46 AM
@MonicaCellio how come you don't have the aztec hat?
 
@YeZ I don't have 20 hats on one site yet. (I don't know if I'll manage that, truth to tell. It'd be nice, but we'll see.)
 
YeZ
@MonicaCellio ah it's for 1 site. Didn't catch that part.
 
Oh, leaderboard says I have 17 on Mi Yodeya? Ok, then maybe... hmm.
@YeZ yes. I got that wrong last year, so I noticed it right away this year.
If I post a question from the app on Dec 25 (and it gets at least one vote of course) that should get me two hats.
 
YeZ
@Scimonster You only have aztec on 1 site? pffft.
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Oh right, and I can be in chat for NYE UTC I expect.
 
YeZ
2:50 AM
@MonicaCellio Seems all of the competitive hat chasers have learned up the hats much better than myself.
I wasn't aware of either of those.
 
@YeZ I read the descriptions when the hats started, but I wasn't one of the people trying to find out in advance. I don't obsess over it but, hey, hats. I don't know if I can get Aztec in 2014, but I should be able to get it by the end.
I did decide to answer a bountied question on MSE to see if I could get the hat for that, but so far no upvotes.
The bountied questions on Mi Yodeya are beyond my ability.
 
YeZ
@MonicaCellio My shameful hat act was to delete an answer so I could get a hat, then undelete it.
 
@YeZ ah. And I know I could get one by closing, editing, and reopening a question, but unless I see one that really needs to be closed and fixed, I'm not going to use my powers for that.
 
 
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5:27 AM
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Q: A way to say custom but not minhag

Bachrach44Within the context of Judaism Minhag is a term of art that is usually translated in English as "custom". There are times when I want to ask a question on MiYodea about the customs of Jews which are not necessarily minhag. (In this case I use the English definition of the word and not it's Hebrew ...

 
 
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6:43 AM
@MonicaCellio The iOS is mine; the Android i borrowed. Pathetic, i know.
@YeZ I know, i've been working too hard to get them here that i haven't spent time on SO. ;)
 
 
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4:21 PM
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Q: How long do you really need to keep your sideburns?

user8613I've seen multiple sources that seem to indicate that one MUST keep his sideburns to either The bottom of the ear The bottom of the ear cartilage To the jaw bone, around the middle of the ear. When looking this up online, I came across this psak halacha from R' Abadi, in which he indicates th...

This looked different from the dupe to me and it had several reopen votes so I went ahead and reopened last night. Now I'm not so sure if that was the right thing to do. Some of the people who voted (both the original close and the reopening, with one of those people having done both) have been in this room recently. Any opinions?
I thought one question was about area and the other about hair length, but now I'm not sure the former is really the case. And I haven't had occasion to learn this area of halacha myself for what I hope are obvious reasons. :-)
 
@MonicaCellio It looks that way to me (this is my first time evaluating this for dupe)
 
@IsaacMoses thanks. And I see that the person who commented questioning the reopening has now commented again saying no, it's not a dupe after all. So I think we're good now, though if there's an edit that would make it clearer maybe somebody will make it.
 
4:44 PM
@MonicaCellio Yeah, it originally looked like a dupe to me. Then this came up, so i voted to reopen (after editing, to get the hat.)
 
@MonicaCellio Hello @Scimonster ......no, @MonicaCellio wasn't just talking about us behind our backs :P
@Scimonster I got the hat on another duplicate that I edited to ask a more specific version of the question it duplicated. ( there was discussion about it in Bam, first )
 
@Shokhet I noticed.
 
2 days ago, by Isaac Moses
@Shokhet "Mitoch shelo lishmah ..."
 
@Shokhet I was torn between speaking generically and calling out specific interested parties.
I guess who voted which way is all public information, so I could have.
 
@MonicaCellio It's fine, don't worry about it.
@MonicaCellio Right
I can't speak for anyone else, but I might have wanted an invite to this discussion....but it's no big deal, I took part in it anyway :P
 
4:51 PM
@Shokhet ok, noted for next time. I probably would have pinged you eventually if you hadn't shown up, but you're a regular here so I figured you'd see. Also @Scimonster . :-)
 
@MonicaCellio :-)
@all, any thoughts on the following?
If that was part of your motivation, you should probably edit that in.....although I don't know if that's enough to make it on-topic (the close reason for "comparative religion" questions says "Questions about comparative religion, and questions about what others have written about Judaism, are off-topic on Mi Yodeya. This includes any question that requires of its answerers any knowledge of a religion besides Judaism." ....I'm not sure if that applies to this question.) — Shokhet 27 secs ago
@msh210 didn't think it was off-topic (or at least didn't close it, when editing it) but I really don't know if that question is on- or off-topic here.
 
@Shokhet I think you need to demonstrate why you think Judaism might have something to say about your topic if it's not self-evident. "Comparative religion" might not fit the original form of the question, but I don't think any version made a good case for its on-topicness.
 
@IsaacMoses In the comment above the one I linked to, the OP wrote that he thought that Judaism might have something to say about this, because the Muslims prefer stealing religious ideas from the Jews, as opposed to pagans. Is that enough to make it on-topic?
@IsaacMoses .....which was why I told him to edit that part in -- that may be a case, but I don't know if it's a good one.
 
@Shokhet Not a good case, IMO. Maybe sufficient to be on-topic, though the same justification could be used for any "Muslims/Christians/Bahai" believe this; do Jews?" question
 
5:07 PM
@IsaacMoses Aha. Okay. If that were to be edited in, would you remove your CV ( assuming the one before mine was your's )?
@IsaacMoses The most recent edit makes it less on-topic, if that was possible.
At least it didn't become more on-topic.....
 
@Shokhet I'm not yet persuaded that I should. The question looks like narishkeit to me. I'd be interested to see if we have parallel precedents, one way or the other.
@Shokhet That would definitely not be enough for me to remove my DV
 
@IsaacMoses Okay.
@IsaacMoses Narishkeit, though, is probably more "unclear" than "comparative religion," isn't it?
 
@Shokhet Off-topic: Not about Judaism
 
@IsaacMoses It kinda is, though, isn't it? "What does Judaism think about X?" is about Judaism, in some sense.
 
@IsaacMoses it sounds like narishkeit to me too. But now I'm wondering where our boundary is. Suppose somebody asked: "I know that Christians sometimes see images of {the Nozri, Mary, sometimes others} in unusual places like rock formations, and they understand that as divine communication. Judaism has prophets who had visions; does Judaism believe that people can see visions of God in ordinary things in the world today?" Obviously that question has faulty assumptions, but would we accept it?
 
5:19 PM
Providing that a case was made about why you think it's been discussed before your MY question, that is
 
@Shokhet Off-topic: Not reasonable to think this could be about Judaism.
 
51 secs ago, by Shokhet
Providing that a case was made about why you think it's been discussed before your MY question, that is
 
@Shokhet @MonicaCellio I think that a documented claim by that religion's adherents that the belief came from Judaism could be enough. E.g. "Christians claim that Isaiah ##:## predicts virgin birth of a savior; does Judaism believe in that?"
 
@IsaacMoses That seems fair.
@IsaacMoses Which would mean that the Adam's Peak/footprint question is out.
 
@IsaacMoses yeah, an actual documented claim puts something in, I'd say. What about "reasoning" that Judaism would have something to say on the subject, like in my cooked-up example?
 
5:24 PM
@MonicaCellio You already included some "reasoning": "Judaism has prophets who had visions"
 
Or maybe we have a sliding scale? We've accepted "I've heard..." as justification, I'm pretty sure, but probably for things that we all agree are more credible. So, the more incredible the more work you need to do in order to ask?
 
I have to go now, sorry! TZT all!
 
@MonicaCellio I think close voters get to assess the reasoning for persuasiveness. Iff it seems persuasive enough to make it seem like the question's worth asking, then leave open.
@Shokhet TZT
 
@Shokhet yeah, I was asking if such "reasoning" is enough or if we need an actual claim. I think @IsaacMoses is probably right -- individual close voters will evaluate on a case-by-case basis.
(And now I must run off for a bit. TZT!)
 
 
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7:53 PM
@YeZ are you wearing two hats??
 
YeZ
Why is this on topic? It seems to be a question about ... egg biology. Which happens to be important to Jews.
@Matt Yesterday I was football spock. Today I'm the solstice QB.
 
@YeZ ... to Judaism
 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses It's a science question. Are all circuitry questions now on topic because of the Chazon Ish's shitta of boneh?
And maybe I can ask patent law questions because of dina d'malchusa and gzeilah.
 
@YeZ it starts out asking a question about biology and ends by asking "why is this still kosher". The latter is on-topic here but there's rather a bit of the former to get through first.
 
that reminds me actually - can we have a tag with something like metzius-realia?
 
7:58 PM
@YeZ If the question was interrogating some assumption that the Ch"I made about the nature of circuits, I'd day so.
 
this way we can separate them from actual questions about science tagged "science"
 
YeZ
@MonicaCellio Maybe I am missing it - the question, AFAICT, is "Are the hens less healthy than hens that are fed non-organic?"
@IsaacMoses I hear.
although I'm not so convinced.
@IsaacMoses Although, he isn't questioning a fact. He's asking for an explanation of the fact!
 
> To RE-EMPHASIZE: I would like to know how they are still certified kosher if the MAJORITY of these eggs have blood in them.
 
YeZ
If he was challenging an assumption of the OU, that would be one thing. But he is accepting that it is true, through his own empirical observations, and asking why it is true that these eggs have more bloodspots than the others.
 
You have to dig for that, though.
"Why are eggs like this?" is off-topic. "How can eggs with this many blood spots still be kosher?" is on-topic. I think the question needs a pretty major edit to get from the former to the latter.
 
YeZ
8:04 PM
@MonicaCellio That sentence is both preceded and followed by the science take of the question. Very poorly worded.
 
@MonicaCellio @YeZ I agree.
@YeZ This too
 
@YeZ agreed. I was just reaching for the "close" button when I saw that it has 0 close votes ATM.
 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses this too what? Sorry.
 
I'm going to close it anyway (and repeat what I said here in a comment there). Wouldn't object to some company, though.
 
YeZ
OK I'll start!
but.
 
8:05 PM
@YeZ This, too, I agree with
 
YeZ
is it off topic or unclear?
@IsaacMoses thought so - making sure.
 
@YeZ I voted unclear, because the title and different parts of the body present three different questions
 
YeZ
I'm leaning towards unclear, post this discussion, although I was pushing for off topic originally
 
@code613 you seem to mainly be asking "why do organic eggs have this property?", which is not on-topic for us. (That would be a question for Biology, probably.) You also ask, tucked into a paragraph late in the question, "how can these be kosher given that this is so common?", which is on-topic for us. Could you please edit to focus it more on the on-topic question? Feel free to include the other background, but the question needs to ultimately be about kashrut, not chicken biology. Thanks. — Monica Cellio ♦ 28 secs ago
Ok, I was going to say off-topic, but I think y'all're right about it being unclear.
 
YeZ
what happened to the Jewish polar bear question? I was about to link to it for discussion purposes.
 
8:11 PM
@YeZ It seems to have been deleted. Need a link?
 
YeZ
@Scimonster please.
 
You could take a screenshot and link to that. I'd like to see it. (I forgot what the content was. :P)
 
@Scimonster the question was, what's the source for using the polar bear as a Jewish/Channukah symbol, or something like that
 
YeZ
@Scimonster Don't know how to do that. But that link worked.
 
@YeZ What, take a screenshot?
 
8:17 PM
@YeZ deleted by the Roomba.
 
@MonicaCellio Bring it back for historical reference?
 
YeZ
@Scimonster link to it
@Scimonster screenshots is how I have my current hat!
 
@YeZ Oh. Take the screenshot, then upload it somewhere (such as right here!), then link to that.
 
(meaning, not the link, just the ur)
for the polar bear question
 
YeZ
 
8:20 PM
@YeZ and here it is from google's web cache: webcache.googleusercontent.com/…
 
@Scimonster I second the suggestion to drop a screenshot in here. Are you trying to link it somewhere or do you just want to see it?
 
YeZ
wow terrible job cropping by YeZ!
 
@YeZ you might want to trim that.
 
@MonicaCellio Just wanted to see it.
 
YeZ
 
8:21 PM
@YeZ Whoa, whoa. You still use AOL mail? I thought only my grandma did that.
 
YeZ
@Scimonster your grandma and my parents. And as long as they still have their account, I still have mine, along with it's free anti-virus package.
 
@Scimonster and my father. Old habits die hard I guess.
 
YeZ
@Scimonster And did you like how many SE windows I have open?
 
@YeZ Hmm, more than me ATM.
 
YeZ
8:42 PM
Let's say a question has lots of valid answers. But no one of them would fill a book, but all of them would fill a book. Too broad?
 
> There are either too many possible answers, or good answers would be too long for this format. Please add details to narrow the answer set or to isolate an issue that can be answered in a few paragraphs.
 
@YeZ Do any of the answers, individually, provide a complete answer to the question?
 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses All of them do.
 
@YeZ Ner Lemeya has already been posted, if that's what you're getting at. :)
 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses Drat.
@IsaacMoses where?
I was gonna get the 5 answer hat!
 
8:44 PM
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Q: Why are there eight days of Chanukah if there were only seven miracles?

SimchasTorahThere is a famous question asked by the Beis Yosef (R' Yosef Karo): Why do we celebrate eight days of Chanukah if the miracle lasted only seven? The jug of oil contained enough to be lit for one day, so the first day was not a miracle.

 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses Why isn't that too broad, as per @Scimonster's bolded comment?
 
@YeZ 6 answers isn't 'too many'. That was more aimed at things that could get 10+ answers, i think.
 
@YeZ I think there's a nuance in "possible answer" that needs to be teased out.
 
YeZ
@Scimonster There is a sefer published with 250 answers to that question. If we only put up 6, that's our own shortcoming.
@IsaacMoses Begin the teasing process!
 
... any why-type question could possibly have infinite valid answers (or at least more than I could count on my fingers)
 
YeZ
8:48 PM
@IsaacMoses so the nuance is really in "too many"
or maybe not.
 
I think what that's trying to get at more is "list questions" without sufficient parameters
 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses Right I see that. Could be better worded.
 
@YeZ Agreed. Keep in mind that the words come from people whose biggest focus is SO, where interpretive questions are not part of what they do
 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses גויישע קאפ
 
YeZ
8:51 PM
@IsaacMoses "when used in English"
לאפוקי Yiddish!
 
I think the real issue is "too many possible equally-good answers." Even in the case of Ner Lemeya, I think readers could fairly consider some answers to be more persuasive/authoritative/elegant than others.
 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses Well, any Torah interpretation question has 70 equally good answers!
or possibly 280.
 
@YeZ Equally "good" in some ideal sense, but not necessarily equally useful from the POV of the question at hand.
@YeZ חֲכָמִים, הִזָּהֲרוּ בְדִבְרֵיכֶם
 
YeZ
@IsaacMoses Baruch Hashem I'm not a chochom! I'd have to get all the stains off my clothes as well!
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@YeZ :)
 
YeZ
9:10 PM
Is my current hat Kilayim?
Cache!
there we go.
 
@YeZ Yes. Yes it is.
You're mixing football with "football".
(I'm intentionally leaving that ambiguous.)
 
YeZ
@Scimonster I had that thought.
 
Lifehacks just moved into public beta, if anyone's interested.
 
@Scimonster It's like grafting together etrog and lemon
 
9:43 PM
This seems a lot better now:
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Q: If the majority of organic and/or free range eggs contain blood spots, why are they certified kosher?

code613Variables that are known of the organic and/or free range: I don't believe the eggs with blood are just protein spots even though brown eggs through observation usually do contain more protein spots than the white egg variety. While the majority of organic and/or free range are brown and are ha...

 

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