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12:29 AM
@Shokhet (or anyone else interested) I took a photo of the relevant passage from my copy of Rabbeinu Efraim: dropbox.com/s/kef3h8hkg2us3yu/photo.JPG?dl=0
 
@Matt Thanks! I'll take a look.
@Matt I read it, but I think I'll read it again.....there's certainly a lot of room to say that all mentions of werewolves are only symbolic in nature -- taking the last one as an example: "וכמו שנהפך האדם לזאב אפילו שהוא משנה לאדם בכל שעה יש לו זנב, כך היתה רצועה יוצאת מחלקו של בנימין ונכנסת וכו'."
....but I'll still take a closer look at the other examples; some of them came a little close to not being symbolic.
Thanks a lot for the picture of the sefer, @Matt!
 
1:34 AM
@user6591 :P ....wait for mi-yodeya-series catches up to 6591 ;-) — Shokhet 19 secs ago
 
@Shokhet that's what I think too, he's just explaining why the comparison of Binyamin to a wolf is particularly apt. His peirush is full of those kinds of things
I'm going to couch the link to the photo to an answer to that werewolf question...
and now that I looked it up online I discovered that other people beat me to posting it up online: bdld.info/2010/12/14/lycanthropy and zootorah.com/RationalistJudaism/RabbeinuEphraimWerewolves.pdf
 
Interesting.
The second one might be a better one to link to than yours, because your's is a little dark, and could be a little difficult to read.
 
indeed. I linked to both of them to the answer I'm about to post
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A: Werewolf in the Torah

MattDespite this being an old question, it recently came up in conversation, so I'll take a stab at it. Three of these sources (the exception being the Chizkuni, which I found myself) come from a footnote to Eliezer Brodt's article on ברכות הראייה printed in Yeshurun vol. 26 There are indeed a few c...

 
1:51 AM
@Matt You did some research for that one; +1 ;-)
 
2:08 AM
not really, I knew about them from seeing them all before, just had to get them down together. And to think, all that came out of a conversation about your hat!
 
:)
 
3:00 AM
@Davïd BTW, apropos of nothing, feel free to pop into this chat room any time you want to catch up or whatever. Presumably when your life is less hectic. :-)
 
 
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9:14 AM
@IsaacMoses I listened to the first coupla seconds of the first link you posted and heard a misaccentation in the very second word.
 
9:31 AM
@IsaacMoses @HodofHod 78.5% here.
 
 
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2:02 PM
FYI: Dreidels are traditionally made out of lead, not clay.
 
 
4 hours later…
5:40 PM
Spontaneous Purim Torah on ELU: english.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/winterfest (hat-tip WAF)
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6:32 PM
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^^^^ my mother sent me this :)
 
@Shokhet :)
 
@Shokhet That's terrific!
@IsaacMoses You want to send your kid off to smelt his own dreidl? or would you rather them use play-dough?
 
@CharlesKoppelman Mine used Lego bricks. :)
 
@IsaacMoses ps --- hat-tip? really?
 
@CharlesKoppelman WAF told me about this phenomenon
 
6:37 PM
@IsaacMoses no, i get it. i just wanted to groan at your pun
...in appreciation, of course
 
@CharlesKoppelman Ha! No pun intended or even comprehended until you made it obvious. :)
 
@IsaacMoses ah. well, then. i will still groan, but mix that with a chuckle
choan?
gruckle?
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portmantuckle?
 
@CharlesKoppelman I support this coinage
 
@IsaacMoses k. officially adopted
 
YeZ
6:57 PM
@Shokhet awesome
I like my new hat because it's huge.
and
If I post enough in a row, it gets even huger in chat!
I almost swallowed @CharlesKoppelman's gravatar with my hat.
 
@YeZ :)
@YeZ Enjoy your handegg :)
 
YeZ
@Shokhet I inflated it as much as they would let me. I do like the idea of a frisbee inside a football helmet.
 
Anyone know where the gemara that says בן סורר ומורה never existed, and we learn the הלכות only להגדיל תורה?
@Shokhet I searched "להגדיל תורה" in סנהדרין, couldn't find it....IINM it's in פרק בן סורר ומורה
 
YeZ
@Shokhet Well, yes, that is a 175 gram official UPA disc.
and it's a discraft, so it's the disc of choice.
 
@YeZ I don't know what that means, but it sounds impressive :P
@YeZ ^^^ same.
Discraft = name brand?
 
YeZ
UPA = Ultimate Players Association. 175 grams is the regulation weight of a game disc. Discraft is the cadillac of frisbees.
 
@DoubleAA Thanks :)
 
YeZ
in fact, "frisbee" is actually the name of a brand, and the item is really called a disc. Kinda like kleenex.
 
Sanhedrin 71a, because I'm too lazy to open a gemara myself :P
@YeZ Really? I never knew that.
Everyone calls it a "Frisbee," regardless of brand, IME
 
YeZ
@Shokhet Right. Like Kleenex (in many places).
 
7:08 PM
@YeZ Everyone holds up Kleenex as the example of that, but I've never seen that phenomenon, myself.
 
YeZ
@Shokhet I saw it myself, and I stood on the grave of the person who called it that!
 
@Shokhet about that gemara, I knew that I would get an answer as soon as I saw @DoubleAA's gravatar drop in :)
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@YeZ Okay, that's a little creepy ( if it's a saying, fine, but I've never heard that as a saying either.... )
 
YeZ
@Shokhet It's from the Gemara you were searching for.
R' Yehuda responds to the claim that it never happened, that he himself saw a ben sorer umoreh and stood on his grave.
 
@YeZ I learned that perek about 4 1/2 years ago, and haven't had much opportunity to look back on it, since.
@YeZ Aha.
 
YeZ
@Shokhet well you can still find my comment retroactively clever and amusing.
 
7:11 PM
@YeZ :)
I actually skimmed the page a few times for that gemara, and didn't immediately spot it. @YeZ, can you give me a hand? .....top, bottom, or middle?
And you just answered the question that I'm trying to! :P
 
YeZ
@Shokhet If you give me a link. I'm too lazy to click more than once right now.
@Shokhet well, we can help him get the 5-answer hat!
 
@YeZ :)
@YeZ @Hod's script works in chat :)
 
YeZ
towards the bottom
@Shokhet 7 lines before last mishna
oops too quick.
7 lines befor that.
 
@YeZ Well, בית המנוגע might be the same idea......
 
YeZ
the whole discussion of the last 15 lines before the mishnah is examples of those things. Ben Sorer is 15 lines before mishnah.
 
7:16 PM
@YeZ Thanks! :)
@YeZ Got it. Thanks a lot!
 
YeZ
@Shokhet Pleasure.
@Shokhet I assume this will shortly be posted on that question.
 
Yes, it will :)
 
YeZ
OK JNF has the best use of the fascinating hat.
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A: Why study non-practical tractates of Talmud?

ShokhetThe Talmud asks a very similar question, on Sanhedrin 71a: אלא לא היה ולא עתיד להיות ולמה נכתב דרוש וקבל שכר [...] תניא, עיר הנדחת לא היתה ולא עתידה להיות ולמה נכתבה דרוש וקבל שכר [...]תניא בית המנוגע לא היה ולא עתיד להיות ולמה נכתב דרוש וקבל שכר However, this [the Ben Sorrer Umoreh,...

@YeZ Oh wow, that's cute :)
I wonder if hats show up in the user-onebox.....
Nope. Oh well.
 
7:39 PM
I don't really think that rev 2 was necessary, but one of the commenters was grumbling about it. What do you (anonymous plural) think?
 
7:50 PM
I'm always tickled when someone favorites my question, this time, within two minutes of asking. I wonder who it was.....
 
8:01 PM
@Shokhet I confess.
 
8:14 PM
@Yishai :)
 
8:47 PM
@YeZ Didn't Frisbee used to make pies?
Then people used there pie tins as throwing discs, so they started manufacturing those as well. And you can tell which took off better. ;)
I just switched my hat from football to "football".
 
8:59 PM
@Scimonster :P
 
Yup, sure is derech achila. — Scimonster 16 secs ago
 
9:27 PM
@YeZ That's fascinating.
 
Listened to a shiur about Chanukah on my walk to the store to buy a second box of candles. It was about how the mitzvah of lighting Chanukah candles is so important that, if it comes down to your last dime, and you have to choose between Chanukah candles and wine for Shabbat, get the candles. I got to the store, and the box was $2.16. I had $2 but no change. I asked the guy, “Would you take a card? I only have $2.” “No no,” he said, waving me off. “Give me $2.” I thanked him twice.
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10:02 PM
@msh210 Nice! Turns out, 6 days a week equates to about 85%, so we're all right around the perfect attendance mark :)
Thanks for the answer! Funnily, I've been mistaken for Amish far too often, even with a mustache. Additonally, Chukas Akum seems to apply mostly to things that are immodest or (might) have idolatrous origins (see here, neither of which would seem to apply to the Amish mustache-ban (which seems to be anti-military in nature). If you have a specific source for this, or a reason to believe that Chukas Akum might apply to beards minus mustaches (as opposed to, say, beards plus overalls), I think it'd greatly improve this answer. — HodofHod yesterday
@Yishai Ever been mistaken for Amish?
 
@HodofHod You have an open left parenthesis. Where is it supposed to be closed?
 
Relevant Obligatory:
@Scimonster It should have ended right after the "see here"
 
10:25 PM
@HodofHod Not that I recall. Funniest thing I recall is when a news organization put up a picture of "Orthodox Jews in Crown Heights" and they picked a picture of a group of Amish people visiting.
 
@Yishai That's hilarious! :) I'm guessing you haven't spent too much time in places where Amish people are more common than Jews?
 
@Yishai @HodofHod My sister took a picture of me sitting in front of several computers after the end of the three weeks this year, because she thinks I look Amish.....I have a good enough beard to be confused for my father (which has happened), but very little mustache :(
 
*bearded, black-coated jews
@Shokhet Yeah I had a teacher in yeshiva like that. To make it worse, he was blonde, which is (I think) a fairly common hair color for them.
 
@ablaze Nice story :)
@HodofHod I used to be very light blond when I was younger, but my hair has since turned brown....but my mustache hasn't caught on, yet :P
 
@Shokhet I haven't been mistaken for my father, but I have been recognized by friends of my father who hadn't seen him in 30+ years.
 
10:31 PM
@Shokhet Common ailment, i suppose.
 
@HodofHod I was in camp this summer with my brothers (as a lifeguard, not a camper :P) ....several people asked my younger brother why his father was in camp.
@Scimonster It'll fix itself, hopefully.
 
@HodofHod (That. Is bugging me.
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I made the Yodeya leaderboard in hatz!
Nine hatz :)
 
@Shokhet What, you think it'll go back to being blond???
 
....though my werewolf hunter is actually from Lifehacks :P
@Scimonster No, I think that my mustache should get darker, like the rest of my hair did.
 
10:37 PM
@Shokhet Nice! I have 4/3 what you do. :P
 
@Scimonster :)
I'm not actively trying for hats..... yet.
.....just you wait, @Scimonster ;-)
 
@Shokhet Nice! Speaking of brothers, mine turned 13 today. Here:
 
@HodofHod Mazal tov!
 
@Shokhet You're not?! Uh, oh, wait till you are!
 
@HodofHod You can tell it's him 'cause he doesn't have the beard.
 
10:39 PM
@HodofHod He looks like you, just w/o the beard :)
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@HodofHod ;-)
@HodofHod And he's even wearing a hat; very nice :)
 
@Shokhet Thanks! Yeah, it's exciting. The baby youngest of the family, you know.
 
Nice!
All of my brothers hit that milestone already.
@HodofHod :P
@HodofHod Is that a black hat, or just heavily involved in Winterbash?
 
@Shokhet He's wearing a hat. And a jacket. Both are for holding the candy.
 
@HodofHod :P
 
@HodofHod He'll need it!
 
10:42 PM
@Scimonster I think you missed the joke. Carrying candy was a large piece of the answer that I linked to :P
 
@HodofHod Well I'm not a big traveler, but if anyone thought so, they kept it to themselves.
 
@Yishai Polite of them, at least.
 
@Shokhet I got it. I made a second joke - the bar mitzvah candy.
 
@Scimonster All right. It wasn't so clear to me.....also, how in the world would you be able to tell that @HodofHod's brother has diabetes? ( if he does; I have no idea )
 
@Shokhet I want to try on that hat. :(
@Shokhet Chas veshalom, kein ayin hara, Hashem yishmereihu.
 
10:57 PM
@HodofHod I didn't think so; you probably would have been more explicit about the candy, then :P
@HodofHod I guess not, then :P
 
@Shokhet Who said anything about diabetes?
 
@Scimonster That's what I carry in my socks on Shabbos, when there's no eruv.
 
@Shokhet Diabetes?
 
@HodofHod First of all, this is old news. Second of all, yes -- that's why I carry candy on me on Shabbos. I have type 1 diabetes.
"If you're carrying something small like Winkies" (from the linked answer) ....I figured that would be fairly obvious, but I guess not :P
 
@Shokhet Sorry, bad joke. I was asking if you carry diabetes in your socks when there's no eruv. Also, that was something I was wondering, why does he need to carry candy on Shabbos? For some reason I didn't chap until just now.
 
11:01 PM
I mean, I know what I'm talking about.... :P
@HodofHod @Scimonster Ah; now I'm the one who missed the joke :P
 
Tzt everyone. I'm booting myself.
 
@Scimonster TZT.
 
TZT @Scimonster, חנוכה שמח!
 
@Shokhet Would you mind helping me try on that black hat?
 
@HodofHod Which?
The werewolf hunter one?
 
11:05 PM
Yeah, that one.
 
Sure!
 
It involves me asking for a vote, which I avoid, and is generally frowned upon.
I have 11 answers with 9 votes, 6 of which are first answers, and would earn an enlightened badge at 10.
If you see one you think is anyways worthy of an upvote...
 
@HodofHod It is.....but I vote based on Q/A quality......which ones I see are whichever ones I see ;-)
@HodofHod I'll see what I can do ;-)
 
May 1 '12 at 19:58, by HodofHod
@all k, I'll see you guys soon; I'm going on a voting spree. Quality posts only, obviously
 
@HodofHod :P
 
11:09 PM
And directly following that:
May 1 '12 at 19:59, by Double AA
@HodofHod Here are some good ones.
 
@HodofHod I had to scroll to the second page of answers to see any with a score nine :P
@HodofHod Lol!
Expect a badge and a hat soon.
 
@Shokhet Much obliged, thanks
 
I didn't know that the Rambam was a geocentrist!
 
@Shokhet Was anyone heliocentric back then?
 
@HodofHod Fair point.
 
11:12 PM
@Shokhet Iy"h soon by you!
 
@Shokhet From me too. :P
@Shokhet I hit that one first, then left, because i voted on it a while ago.
 
@Scimonster Thank you!
 
@Scimonster Aha.
 
you guys know I'm posting in my sleep, right?
 
@Scimonster Go to sleep!! It's 1:15am by you!!!
( like I'm ever asleep by 1:15 ) :P
 
11:17 PM
@Shokhet Yeah, but the next day:
May 2 '12 at 3:11, by Double AA
@HodofHod -275
 
@HodofHod For serial upvoting?
Was that a thing, in 2012?
(I don't know my SE history; I've been here less than a year)
 
@Shokhet Yep.
May 2 '12 at 3:12, by HodofHod
<shakes fist at sky>
 
:)
 
@Shokhet You're doing pretty darn good, if I may say so.
 
@HodofHod Thanks :)
I hit 6K today :)
Someone just voted on this answer .... @HodofHod?
Now it's a score of ten -- one accept away from a silver badge ;-)
 
11:21 PM
Today??? /looks - 194???
Wow.
 
(my werewolf hunter is from Lifehacks)
@HodofHod Serial upvoting? ......wasn't me ;-)
 
@Shokhet I am asleep!
Or at least in bed, which are totally different things.
 
@Shokhet Guilty. I was going to vote on your other 9, but then realized you might prefer if I did it tomorrow ;)
 
@HodofHod It can wait a half an hour, can't it? :P
 
....I just realized, yeah :D
 
11:27 PM
I already got Mortarboard on MY, though ;-)
 
....I just realized I haven't hit the cap in over two years. Sigh. I really should be more active.
Just for the sweet, sweet reps. ;)
 
Not hitting the cap is good for your reps, though ;-)
 
11:58 PM
@Shokhet I gots me a hat!
 

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