V'dibarta Bam

2:51 AM

@IsaacMoses I've seen you argue in comments for the nonclosure as off-topic of various questions that aren't, perhaps, of the usual MY crop. I'm curious what you think of judaism.stackexchange.com/q/44881 (and see comments ad loc.).

msh210

3:06 AM

@Shokhet Actually, I'm not a fan of that question, so, unless others, too, urge that it be tweeted, I'll not. (It claims non-literalness unsourcedly and my own comment on the question seems to contradict that.)

@msh210 @TRiG ... which led to meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/2133.

Shokhet

3:27 AM

@msh210 While he does "claim non-literalness unsourcedly".....part one of his answer asks for a source, no?

msh210

5:18 AM

@Shokhet (Of his question, I assume you mean.) He claims it's not literal. He seeks to know what wording in chumash gives us that -- or is it pure m'sora. But he gives no reason for thinking it's not literal in the first place. Why does he think so? I wouldn't think so, reading the pasuk naively. See also Rashi on the pasuk in Mishpatim which says some do read it literally. Rashi in Shof'tim implies as much as well, [cont'd]

[cont'd] commenting only on the other terms in the pasuk but not on "nefesh b'nefesh".

Shokhet

1:39 PM

@msh210 Fair enough

YEZ

6:44 PM

@msh210 any ideas when this will be implemented into this?

msh210

7:04 PM

@YEZ The former is meant as an implementation of part 2 of the latter. I'm not sure I understand your question.

YEZ

@msh210 kinda forgot about (2) there and assumed the meta post was for the purpose of deciding what tags to feed into this site. So I guess my question should be revised to "Any idea when (1) of this will be implemented?"

msh210

@YEZ I was thinking 1 or 2, not both. (Though both is also a possibility.) And more people replied in favor of 2. (Plus, 2 is less obtrusive, so barring much support for it I'm uncomfortable implementing it.

Too, the Meta post indicates how many relevant tags there are on various sites, each of which would require its own feed and all of which cumulatively may be especially obtrusive.)

Whaddaya think, @YEZ?

Monica Cellio

@msh210 the meta post is pull (people have to go there, then go to the tags, then look for new stuff); a feed is push (just hang out and stuff comes to your doorstep). But we don't want to overwhelm Bam, absent a lot of people saying "yeah we want this" (or determining that the tags are rare, I guess). A possible compromise: a different room that receives feeds. Would people monitor that?

(I'm just analyzing options, not expressing preferences.)

@YEZ ^^^

YEZ

@msh210 Sorry my connection timed out. Re especially obtrusive, none of those tags are very crowded - some have single digit question counts.

msh210

@YEZ Yeah, I noticed that of some of them. I didn't check all of them.

Also, some of the related tags elsewhere are not of strong interest here. Like the Christianity.SE ones.

YEZ

7:20 PM

@msh210 Right - not all of those feeds need to be included.

@MonicaCellio I would occasionally check in on such a thing. Especially since they wouldn't time-out, so I could monitor it at my leisure. But, as I mentioned, I don't think it would be a mass alien invasion of Bam and require new border security and reformation of our imigration laws and possibly more enforcement of existing laws and ...

msh210

@MonicaCellio One data point fwiw: I wouldn't.

Monica Cellio

@msh210 right, I wouldn't want to feed everything from the Christian sites here. History and maybe travel/Israel.

msh210

@MonicaCellio @YEZ We could also have a feed here like the current one for new MY questions: appearing as a drop-down rather than as a post, so it doesn't fill up the backread.

Monica Cellio

@msh210 that's true.

msh210

@MonicaCellio and kosher at cooking.se perhaps?

Monica Cellio

7:24 PM

@msh210 oh, yes -- good idea!

YEZ

@msh210 I would be comfortable just limiting it to the Judaism tags of other sites. But if you are only doing an unintrusive dropdown box, I suppose you could go all out.

Was this really such a terrible suggestion?

Am I right about this:

@Jake regarding your comment on Sabbahillel's now deleted answer: sourced answers may be higher quality, but answers which provide their own justification are definitely accepted. Saying "I don't think so" without backing yourself up is worthless, but providing logical support is fine. Consider the top 3, highly upvoted, answers to this question. — YEZ 1 min ago

msh210

So... drop-down feeds for Cooking's [kosher], History's [jews], and Travel's [israel]? I'll await other chatters' chiming in.

Monica Cellio

@YEZ just based on the comment (haven't clicked through), I agree -- answers should provide some support, but that can be sources, reasoning, etc.

That is, such answers aren't "NAA" (not an answer) and delete-worthy. Downvote-worthy if you don't buy the argument, OTOH, is a different matter.

Yishai

6

A: Answers - When is a source required?

The question states: There is an assumption taken that in order for an answer to be valid on this site it needs a source. This is, as I understand it, an incorrect assumption, at least precisely as stated. "Valid on this site" is potentially very strong language, suggesting that that which ...

@YEZ Based on that, only answers to questions that ask for a source are invalid if no source is provided. Downvoting is a different question.

Meta-Man

7:41 PM

0

Q: Include Biblical Hebrew

The Hebrew proposal failed, but has been restarted. However, I don't see why it will do much better. Meanwhile, I hold my self back from asking Hebrew-related questions, out of fear of political down-votes. I hereby suggest extending the scope to include biblical Hebrew as its usage and meaning ...

msh210

@YEZ Eh, I guess so. He does cite some specific areas where Orthodox Judaism and liberalism may clash -- though he provides no evidence for either liberalism's or Orthodox Judaism's view, which makes his answer rather weak.

YEZ

@msh210 Some statistics to consider: Christianity's Judaism tag has had 15 this year. Israel on travel has 9. Hebrew on Linguistics has 9. Islam's Judaism and Skeptic's Judaism each have less than 10 total ever.

@msh210 @Yishai I agree it's weak. But his comment admitted agreeing to the points, just downvoting for not sourcing.

msh210

@YEZ Yeah, I wouldn't delete it. But if that's the kind of answer this question will attract then it should be protected. cc @MonicaCellio

I've gtg; tzt, y'all.

Meta-Man

0

Q: Include Jewish Languages

Both the proposed Yiddish Language Usage and Hebrew failed (although the latter has been restarted). If instead we include biblical Hebrew here, it would be natural to include all Jewish languages here. I hereby suggest extending the scope to include Yiddish, Ladino, Judæo-Arabic, etc. as their ...

feature-request scope language

Monica Cellio

@msh210 that answer was poor, yes. (Hadn't read it yet when I made my more-general comment about sources/reasoning/downvotes.) I'm pretty sure I've seen guidance from CMs that we shouldn't rush to protect unanswered questions; it got one now-gone bad answer, but let's wait to see what happens. If it gets more the system will protect it (or we can do so manually).

Isaac Moses

8:28 PM

@msh210 I do frequently fall on the inclusionist side of such debates, but I think I won't here. Here, the question boils down to "Is this behavior I have seen in the wild an expression of Judaism?" It seems to me that one would need to be an expert about whatever the context of the behavior was to be able to answer about its intent. Consider the similar: "Did this practice in Religion X come from Judaism?" Off-topic, since we're not experts in Xism. ...

... Now, if the question was "From what you know of tzitzit, does the object in this picture appear to be that?", I'd say it's on-topic, since everything an expert on Judaism needs to answer the question is present either in the question or in his/her expertise.

... I acknowledge that by the standard advanced above, the question that elicited my highest-scoring answer to date would probably be considered off-topic, with the possible saving grace being that the context at least purports to be about people practicing Judaism. Indeed, my ability to answer was based on my general podcast-listening habits and not on whatever expertise in Judaism I may have.

Meta-Man

9:10 PM

0

Q: Is this highly voted question on topic?

This question has a score of +25. However, it seems to be asking a question that is not answerable without doing research into other religions, and it doesn't provide the necessary information. So if I understand correctly, it should be closed as a comparative religion question. Why is it open?

discussion specific-question close-reasons

Meta-Man

9:30 PM

0

Q: The scope of Comparative Religion

This question created a debate about the scope of comparative religion (or in that case, comparative ideology) questions, which can be found in the comments there. The issue seems to be as follows: Is a question which asks for the Jewish view of X on topic? If so, how much information about ...

discussion close-reasons

Yishai

10:32 PM

Curiosity question for those who mastered the Stack Exchange query interface. How many closed questions have 5+ votes?

Double AA

11:05 PM

@Yishai 93

That includes dupes

77 without dupes, 48 of which are PTIJ, and 5 of which are riddles.

judaism.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3Ayes+votes%3A5

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