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@SethJ Not that I can see. They ask for different things

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msh210

3:32 AM

End of an era (until next year). The mods just went through and closed all the p-t-i-j questions. Alas, poor Yumor! I knew him, Hamantatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy....

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@msh210 ptij isn't until the end of Adar? If only I'd have known...

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3:46 AM

@msh210 Ok... time to start preparing for next adar then

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2:12 PM

Fascinating and enlightening brief explanation of the history of divergence in Hebrew pronunciation: ou.org/jewish_action/03/2014/real-story-hebrew-pronunciation

msh210

2:33 PM

@YEZ Yep. I thought up one question I asked this year last May or June.

@IsaacMoses Yeah, nice.

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5:57 PM

How come I can't flag this answer judaism.stackexchange.com/a/36467/4794?

6:20 PM

@IsaacMoses Thanks for the link - very enlightening!

@GeminiMan Hat tip to TorahMusings.com's "Daily Reyd" feature.

6:44 PM

@YEZ you can see it but can't flag it? That's odd.

@MonicaCellio Well I was able to flag it as needing moderator attention, but the only option I had was "other"

No "Not an answer" or "offensive" options.

@YEZ ah. Maybe because it's already deleted.

@MonicaCellio How could I see it then?

And that explains why the comment to my flag was "it's already deleted, what more do you want?" But that just goes back to the previous question.

@YEZ oh! Yeah, you don't have 10k rep and the post is deleted, so you shouldn't be able to see it. But you can? Does it have a reddish background and say "deleted" at the bottom? (If not, maybe caching?)

@MonicaCellio No, now it is gone.

I think I flagged it before deletion.

Can you check when it was deleted?

I flagged it 50 minutes ago. Was it extant at that point?

6:49 PM

@YEZ ok, that's very weird. It was deleted an hour ago, before the flag, hence the confusion. I'm really puzzled by how a deleted post could remain visible for that long!

@MonicaCellio Ok so I was flagging the neshama of the post that was still hovering over the deceased guf. Which can't be offensive or not an answer, I guess. But can need moderator attention.

I'm the one who handled the flag. I apologize for the confusion; I was looking at a deleted post followed by a flag and I couldn't tell what was being requested. That you weren't seeing the deletion did not occur to me.

@YEZ :-)

Yeah, deleted posts still need to be flaggable, because, for instance, a user might edit a problematic post and need a way to communicate with the mods to request re-review. That happens sometimes. And sometimes people need to flag a user, which you can only do by flagging one of their posts.

Waste of a precious precious flag. Although I don't actually know the system by which I keep getting more "flags remaining"

@MonicaCellio users are notified when their posts are flagged?

@YEZ posts are flagged. You can't flag a user, but sometimes people need to make something about a user known to mods, like if there's an offensive gravatar or there's a pattern of bad behavior or something like that. So if you need to talk to the mods about a user, you can flag one of the user's posts and explain the problem.

@YEZ no. People don't know what's been flagged unless someone says something. Mods generally won't (privacy), so this generally only happens if the flagger says what he did.

@MonicaCellio Got it. But I feel like I have the sixth sense now.

6:55 PM

@YEZ I trust you will use this power only for good.

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9:10 PM

@IsaacMoses I finally have an answer to something that's bothered me for decades - in the 2nd Perek of Berachos it talks about being careful in the reading of Shema, and especially to be careful not to run words together when the end of one word is the same as the beginning of the next, and one of the examples given is עֵשֶׂב בְּשָׂדְךָ,

...and I never understood how these particular words could be a problem. But it says in that article that "Traditional Sepharadic pronunciation (as opposed to Modern Israeli pronunciation) also does not distinguish between the beis and veis."

@IsaacMoses Also from there: " which is the “correct” pronunciation of English? Texan? Chicagoan? Bostonian?" - none of the above (jolly well not, I should say)!

9:24 PM

@GeminiMan On top of that, I'm pretty sure I've heard (don't remember where) that there is a tradition that undotted 'ב' is pronounced not as 'v' but as a fricative form of 'b' that's not familiar to us English-speakers. (That is, with the bottom lip against the top lip like in a 'b' rather than against the upper teeth like in a 'v'. Like a 'b' with breath drawing it out. Or something.)

... That could probably be joined up with a hard 'b' sound such that the latter gets swallowed.

@GeminiMan Phluphian, naturally!

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@GeminiMan How would you answer הכנף פתיל? I don't think your answer lies in regional variants like that.

@DoubleAA I was always sure that the answer to all of the gemara's examples lay in the fact that they pronounced differently then/there, but this was the first time I saw a confirmation of this.

@DoubleAA In this case, I suspect the regional variant in question could be an artifact (simplification) of the earlier pronunciation that the Mishna was assuming

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9:44 PM

@IsaacMoses That would imply the Tannaim had never heard of a Dagesh Kal. Possible but surprising to me at least.

@GeminiMan You might be interested to see the list of examples as brought in the Rif's version of that Brayta. It includes תזכרו | ועשיתם.

@DoubleAA I'm suggesting that the Tannaim pronounced the undotted 'ב' as I described above (and the 'ף' similarly), and that that sound got collapsed down into the same stop used for 'בּ' on its way to the contemporary Sefaradi pronunciation mentioned above.

@IsaacMoses We are just about to reach a milestone of sorts - 10,000 questions. Any plans to mark this (in)auspicious event?

@GeminiMan I've been watching it since 9900

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@GeminiMan Probably a pinned chat message in BOLD-ITALICS-CAPS

in The Comms Room, Jun 21 '13 at 17:04, by Dan

@voretaq7 I don't think they need remote access, do they?