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msh210

2:13 AM

(Not caught up in this room, but) I'm just dropping in to mention that yodeya.com/q/48815 is a HNQ.

Shokhet

2:54 AM

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Q: Clarifications on Faith

I'm a little unsure as to some aspects of Jewish faith. I've asked a few questions on here that have received fairly negative ratings, I suppose they may have seemed like 'foolish' questions, or look like something a 'heretic' might ask. I'm asking whoever reads this to please treat this question...

^^^ is very broad, left a comment saying he'd get better results if he asked one question per question

Would we close a question as a request for p'sak if it's a question of hashkafah?

Monica Cellio

4:29 AM

@Shokhet re the comments here -- I defer to your experinece and was just curious. The entirety of my exposure to this process is (a) a diabetic coworker who once, a long time ago, explained this testing to me because I was curious, and (b) being taught how glucose meters work as part of a design exercise in a UX class. I've never seen the strip after use.

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio I'm honestly not sure -- there is an empty space in there, but there probably is some absorbent in there as well.

Monica Cellio

@Shokhet I wonder if dyeing has a minimum area before it counts. If so this would probably be below it. (I know, I can ask... just wondering out loud at the moment.)

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio That's interesting. .....I happen to be very deficient in my knowledge of hilchos Shabbos in general.....I signed up to present ("give a chabura on") the halachos of emergency medical halacha on Shabbos to force myself to learn something ....you may have noticed that I've been posting a lot about those halachos here, recently

So.....I don't know the rules of dyeing :(

Monica Cellio

4:45 AM

@Shokhet I did notice the questions; thanks for explaining where they're coming from. (I had wondered if you had a family member in the medical field.)

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio I do also; my father's a doctor. ( I keep quoting him in my posts ;)

Monica Cellio

@Shokhet ah, that must be why I thought there was a family relevance. :-)

maj nem ɪz dæn

4:59 AM

@Shokhet it looks like what Christianity would close as a 'pastoral advice' question. But you guys do allow some of that kind of stuff here, within reason, which is interesting

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn You guys have a "pastoral advice" close reason? That's interesting; though I'm not so surprised that it's necessary.

I joined CogSci the other day to ask a question, started poking around their questions....they have a self-help close reason; which just about amounts to the same thing as "pastoral advice" and "p'sak halacha," just in their own area.

maj nem ɪz dæn

5:13 AM

@Shokhet yes

@Shokhet this is meta post linked to in the help center for that close reason

@Shokhet but this is the post linked in the actual close reason

"Questions seeking pastoral advice are off-topic here; your spiritual problems are too important to be left in the hands of random Internet people."

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn We link to a [Meta post](meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1734) and a regular question....definitely in our standard comment, and I think also in our close reason.

maj nem ɪz dæn

I love that wording

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn It's pretty cute; yeah :)

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet consult your rabbi

I remember I used to see more along the lines of 'consult a halachic adviser'

Shokhet

"Questions asking for a practical ruling (p'sak halacha) are off-topic. For practical advice consult your rabbi. Try to broaden the question so it applies to a wider audience, such as by asking what sources are applicable to the question. (More information.)"

We do link to both questions in the close reason

maj nem ɪz dæn

5:20 AM

this is well said

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn That wasn't all mine; I just adapted @YeZ's answer for that one.

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet I've learned how to frame these questions - you can often learn similar things but broaden it

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn Yeah, that's how we like our questions around here :)

maj nem ɪz dæn

my biggest fear was that Jews may find my tattoo offensive, but when I asked about that I learned about not erasing haShem

hence my second question when I suspected my doc might be Jewish

I wanted to ensure she didn't have any issues, opted finally not to mention it

Shokhet

Hm. I know that tatoos with Hashem's name in them are problematic, but I never put much thought into removing them.

But I see that it's been discussed in the Talmud.

maj nem ɪz dæn

5:28 AM

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Q: Is one allowed to have a tattoo of G-d's name removed?

Inspired by Dan's question , and requested by DoubleAA... If one got a tattoo of G-d's name, either in ignorance or in spite of the prohibition against tattooing, may one have it removed? Would this be a violation of the prohibition on erasing G-d's name? As a side point, would this differ if t...

halacha shemos-sacred-names tattoo

^^^ excellent summary

Shokhet

HodofHod, if this applies to you please see a Rabbi for any final ruling. — Double AA ♦ Jan 10 '13 at 7:26

@majnemɪzdæn Yes, yes it is. That's a very good answer.

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet indeed!

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio I went looking for something else (Double AA was also commenting on that answer) and I found something about dyeing: see bottom of page 11 here

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet (it appears to jump from p. 6 to p. 21 in that link)

Shokhet

5:43 AM

@majnemɪzdæn Yes; it was a publication that got cut into pieces so that different parts can be viewed at different times. I meant page 11 out of all the pages; that could have been made clearer.

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet ahh, sorry - wasn't for me anyways - just being nosy and then trying to be helpful :P

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn You could take a look, I don't mind :) ....it was part of an earlier conversation about the realities of emergency medical halacha on Shabbos.

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet cool

@Shokhet how do I find the weekly parashah?

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn ?

maj nem ɪz dæn

I attend a group that discusses it every week, but it's always a surprise to me what it will be haha

@Shokhet I'm not Jewish, so pardon my total ignorance of things

I mean a website that has the weekly portion

Shokhet

5:46 AM

@majnemɪzdæn It's usually announced as an event on Mi Yodeya's main page, with a link to all the questions that are tagged with the parsha

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet oh ha - is it the same in all Jewish synagogues or do some choose their own readings?

Shokhet

Click on the link; the tag wiki usually tells where it's found in the Torah.

@majnemɪzdæn As far as I know it's the same all over; some chumashim (print version of the Five Books of Moses) do print where aliyos (sections of the parsha) are different for different communities.

@majnemɪzdæn I was just confused by this message because it was a response to one of mine that didn't appear to have much to do with the parsha :P

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet ahh k

I've learned to keep my mouth shut during this group haha

my questions are generally not appreciated in religious gatherings (whether Jewish or Christian), or the leader is not well read in biblical criticism

but I still enjoy learning and listening to others

Shokhet

Sometimes it's good to just listen.

@majnemɪzdæn Although I find this odd. If the question is asked respectfully, I've generally found that Jewish audiences will answer respectfully.

(I honestly can't say about Christian gatherings)

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet oh the answers are usually respectful

Shokhet

5:55 AM

So then what's the problem? I'm a little confused.

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet as a general stereotype, Jews seem much more comfortable with asking questions and differences in opinions, many (evangelical) Christians don't like dissenting opinion, they want things to be much more uniform

@Shokhet I can tell when someone doesn't appreciate a perspective or question, but is being respectful regardless

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn That's interesting; I didn't know that about Christians. I don't know all that much about anything except Jews ;)

@majnemɪzdæn Oh, got it.

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet not all of them are like that, just some

but as a stereotype....

Shokhet

I know what a stereotype is; there are plenty about Jews ;)

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet as I'm reminded weekly by a Jewish linguistics professor

in humorous teaching anecdotes

Shokhet

5:59 AM

@majnemɪzdæn In that parsha group?

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet no, in class. Someone else leads the parsha group

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn Ah, got it.

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet sometimes I think he throws in statements to see if we're awake haha

Shokhet

@majnemɪzdæn That's one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Talked about in the Talmud :)

(My Torah search engine tells me it's mentioned on Shabbos 30b and Pesachim 117a)

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet I need to improve my Hebrew

I'm likely at a child's level of proficiency

Shokhet

6:04 AM

@majnemɪzdæn Improving your Hebrew would help a little, but the Talmud is written in Aramaic.

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet haha, that too - I only learned to read the selected portions of the Tanakh in Aramaic

not much else

Shokhet

"כי הא דרבה מקמי דפתח להו לרבנן אמר מילתא דבדיחותא"

maj nem ɪz dæn

I'd like to expand that and also learn the later Syriac dialect

Shokhet

@Shokhet "Just like Rabba, who, before starting his class, would tell something humorous"

maj nem ɪz dæn

@Shokhet nice

Shokhet

6:06 AM

@majnemɪzdæn Good luck!

(I'll admit that I knew that existed, but didn't know precisely where it was without doing a search for it)

@DoubleAA An article for you by J. David Bleich

esp. footnote one, there

maj nem ɪz dæn

well, bed time

adios

TZT

Shokhet

TZT @majnemɪzdæn :)

msh210

6:24 AM

@Shokhet / all: Closureworthy as overbroad?

Shokhet

@msh210 Probably.

msh210

@Shokhet @majnemɪzdæn Occasionally (but predictably), Israel and other places have different parashiyos.

(Just catching up here.)

Shokhet

@msh210 Though if it's closed, I think we should proceed carefully; maybe make clear to him that he could ask each individual question as it's own post.

@msh210 Right. Forgot about that.

You can respond to all my old messages; I gotta go to sleep. TZT!

msh210

@Shokhet Good night!

> Also, after looking at some economic practices, like a Milva Haktuvah Bishtar, it looks like one could easily commit a legally acceptable theft by Jewish law.

― from judaism.stackexchange.com/q/48822. I know what the words mean ("a loan written in a document"), but their import is opaque to me. AFAIK halacha mandates a loan be made with a document (or witnesses) to prevent theft. What am I missing here?

Monica Cellio

3:58 PM

Ah, hot questions -- that explains how I got a Popular Question badge this morning on something I asked last night. I haven't seen that effect on my own questions before.

Shokhet

7:01 PM

@MonicaCellio Same thing happened with my question, though your's has more views than mine.....I think it's pretty obvious why though.....

@Scimonster My answer (score: 4) to the Profile page question was deleted when implemented. :P

Monica Cellio

@Shokhet yeah, in retrospect. I wasn't thinking about the "advertisement" aspect of the title when I was writing it; I was trying to come up with something that would be clear and inoffensive while fitting in a reasonable length. Earlier I saw it on HNQ right under the Workplace question that prompted it.

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio Yeah. I was considering doing a Q/A set on treating gentiles on Shabbos, but didn't really want it to become a HNQ. ....IAE it's been asked and answered already

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Q: Are you allowed to save a non-Jew's life on shabbos?

Is a Jew allowed to violate shabbos to save a non-Jew's life?

halacha shabbat gentiles pikuachnefesh-danger-life

Monica Cellio

7:27 PM

@Shokhet yeah, sometimes it's tempting to word a question to actively avoid the HNQ list... but then again, it can be a useful reminder that everything posted publicly on the Internet is, well, public.

Shokhet

8:14 PM

@MonicaCellio True.

(Sorry that took so long; Friday afternoons [esp the short ones] are hectic)

Monica Cellio

@Shokhet no worries; I wasn't monitoring the room anyway. And I'll be dropping off before too much longer.

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio Alright. Shabbat Shalom, then!

Monica Cellio

@Shokhet shabbat shalom to you too!

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