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1:01 AM
@StefanKottwitz Getting a general error visiting LC: Illegal use of $_COOKIE. You must use the request class or request_var() to access input data. Found in /usr/local/www/lc/forum/includes/hooks/index.php on line 1. This error message was generated by deactivated_super_global.
 
1:46 AM
@DavidCarlisle Why would they use 'package' to mean something other than a LaTeX package? Was that decision made in the early days of LaTeX?
 
 
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7:44 AM
@DavidCarlisle Btw is there an \UndeclareUnicodeComposite command? (can't try now)
 
@UlrikeFischer yes but it doesn't work and Will said last night he was planning to switch to using the formats \UndeclareTextCommand or something wrapping that, I'll ping you if there is anything to test
@Kurzd it's a generic word, you see the same in "package managers" for texlive and miktex or linux distributions, for all of those "package" is a collection of files that are distributed together even though it may contain several (or no) latex packages.
@Kurzd ctan is older than latex2e (which introduced the word package to latex, previously, in latex 2.09, .sty files were called style files hence the sty extension)
 
8:32 AM
@DavidCarlisle good, it is usefull some times. But naturally doesn't solve the problem that with unicode fonts the definitions don't depend only on the encoding but on the font.
 
8:45 AM
@Johannes_B Thanks, I'm checking.
 
8:56 AM
@UlrikeFischer we have a plan....
 
@Johannes_B fixed
 
@JosephWright trafffic, just got in...
 
@DavidCarlisle Understood
 
@JosephWright I thought I was on the call, then it went....
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes: Frank and I are 'there'
 
9:06 AM
@JosephWright I wonder how I rejoin now the "accept" thing has gone..
 
@DavidCarlisle I've sent you the link
 
9:20 AM
@UlrikeFischer ooh it looks awesome!
 
10:19 AM
Good morning. I hope you don't mind to ask me a question again. I get an error if I write \SI{10^{-1}}{\nano\meter^{-1}} for the power in the number value. (Of course \SI{0.001}{\nano\meter^{-1}} works).
 
@Gudrun \SI{10e-1}{\per\nano\metre} or \SI{10e-1}{\per\nm} or \SI{10e-1}{nm^{-1}} or \SI[parse-numbers = false]{10^{-1}}{nm^{-1}} ...
 
@Joseph Thank you. I just found \e-3 works as well. Is this \per important?
@Joseph
@Joseph Sorry, just trying your examples.
 
@Gudrun Well, if you want siunitx use 'interpreted' units then yes: if you are happy to hard code the format of the unit then no
 
@Joseph My apologies, what do you mean by 'interpreted'?
 
@Gudrun siunitx can handle units in two ways. The first is that you type in something to typeset and that's what you get: I call that 'literal' mode, something like \si{nm^{-1}. The alternative is to use symbolic markup: \si{\per\nm}, which might come out as /nm or nm^{-1} or \frac{1}{nm}, depending on your settings
 
10:32 AM
@Joseph
@Joseph Thank you very much. I will keep your explanation in my document.
 
@DavidCarlisle When I clicked, it was already opened... :)
@DavidCarlisle: you are fluent in Italian, I see.
 
@PauloCereda Es lo mismo que el portugués, en el que mis habilidades son legendarias
@PauloCereda also Spanish ^^ :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle er... this is Spanish...
@DavidCarlisle you were quick. :)
 
@PauloCereda I am fluent in so many:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
11:33 AM
@stefan thank you
 
@PauloCereda Not like the OP of that question. ;-)
 
@egreg uh-oh. :)
 
@PauloCereda Typical pompous technical jargon: apart from “Goals” which should be “Obiettivi”, one can remove at least ten words from that paragraph, making it clearer and smoother.
 
@egreg The OP was probably in verbose mode. :)
 
@PauloCereda Thesis mode: never say in two words what you can say with five.
 
11:38 AM
@egreg ooh I like this
 
@PauloCereda you should try it, might mean that you get page 1 filled.
@JosephWright I'm totally shocked by your response to my u-m issue:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle You are following my beamer check-ins, right?
 
12:09 PM
@JosephWright sporadically (sometimes annoyed that watching only pings on issues not checkins:-)
 
12:38 PM
Just when I want to report a bug their site breaks:
 
12:54 PM
And the Andika New Basic font does not even support 'ď'. :(
So much for complete Central European languages support.
 
@wilx With a particular meaning of “complete”.
 
@egreg Yeah. But Central Europan languages are not Chinese. It should not be that hard to actually cover all of the glyphs.
 
@wilx Actually they should provide a stylistic set for the “t with caron”, so you can choose what form of the caron shouls be used.
 
@egreg Yeah. That would be nice.,
 
@wilx And, considering they cover Ť, it's quite mysterious they didn't think to the lowercase correspondent.
 
1:01 PM
But I think I was not completely right about it yesterday. I thought I had seen this in children's' text somewhere but I could not find it anywhere. The t+caron and d+caron variants might not be used in children's texts after all.
@egreg Yeah, same with Ď and ď.
 
@wilx I tried sending the following message and, apparently, it went through, because I received the copy back in my mailbox
While claiming complete support for Central European languages, the Andika New Basic font lacks U+0165 (LATIN SMALL LETTER T WITH CARON) and U+010F (LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH CARON).

Both are present in the old version.

It would be even nicer if the font provided a stylistic set for choosing between the form of the caron: as far as I know, primary school textbooks in the Czech Republic use the ˇ form also for these glyphs.
 
@egreg Cool. :D
 
@wilx Let's wait; maybe you can try too.
 
@egreg It got through now.
 
@wilx Good! Two requests should be better than one!
 
1:13 PM
@wilx: I can send one too! I like poking people!
 
1:26 PM
@PauloCereda lol, by all means do: software.sil.org/andika/support
 
@PauloCereda You should complain about too much support for european languages and not enough for ducks U+1F986
 
@DavidCarlisle looks like a compelling argument
 
 
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3:02 PM
How in their right mind would directly email class maintainers for help with stuff completely unrelated to the class the person maintains. I'm just why....
 
@wilx: I couldn't remember the question, so I asked something else. ^^ :)
 
@PauloCereda Heh.
 
@wilx Just kidding, I sent a request too. :)
 
@PauloCereda Cool. If were them I would be surprised by several similar bug reports in the same day. :)
 
4:04 PM
@daleif I get all sorts!
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh. A cunning plan?
 
@UlrikeFischer ooh
It reminds me of Baldrick. :)
 
@daleif I see the fixme issue got fixed ;)
 
@PauloCereda I do know my Blackadder ...
 
@UlrikeFischer oh my
 
4:08 PM
@UlrikeFischer Good stuff
Exciting news: LaTeX update coming this weekend features TU encoding as the default for Unicode engines
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The best episode is the dictionary one.
@JosephWright YAY
 
@PauloCereda I like series 2
 
@JosephWright Ah with Percy Percy. :)
 
@JosephWright Yes, absolutly excellent. We do have the full set on dvd.
 
For that series, I like the Whiteadder episode. :)
 
4:10 PM
@PauloCereda I have created an ingot of purest Green
 
@UlrikeFischer It's one of my favourite series of all times.
@JosephWright haha I was thinking of that line!
 
@PauloCereda Because of the thingy?
 
@JosephWright :D
@UlrikeFischer, @JosephWright: I dare say no Brazilian knows this series, I think it was never broadcasted in Brazil.
 
@PauloCereda In germany neither I think. I doubt anyway that one can really translate it. I know no sensible translation of "cunning plan".
 
@UlrikeFischer oooh
@UlrikeFischer, @JosephWright:
 
4:22 PM
@UlrikeFischer it was broadcast in 1992 on 3sat -- I remember, I was a pupil at that time, and something around 2000 on RTL2, in the afternoon
Which reminds me how old I have get in the meantime ... 1992 --- 25 years, oh my ...
 
@UlrikeFischer no but will has slipped in an undeclare composite I think (not tried it yet) should be in the fontspec github
 
@ChristianHupfer not as old as @DavidCarlisle. :)
 
@PauloCereda @PauloCereda or let alone @egreg ;-)
 
@PauloCereda who is young compared to @egreg some of the old geezers here
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
4:34 PM
@JosephWright and I immediately remembered a minor issue that I'd liked to have looked at (if a note is long, and the font size is, say, tiny, then the line spacing is not even). Though this might be an artifact from marginnotes
 
@daleif sounds like missing \par
 
I shall be known as the Black... Vegetable...
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4:51 PM
@PauloCereda Very good my lord
 
@JosephWright wait a minute...
 
 
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6:36 PM
@PauloCereda An Italian comedian performed a character who was some kind of freak preacher and always ended with “the answer is within you, but it's wrong”.
 
@egreg oh :)
 
@PauloCereda Meanwhile I learned that the monthly fee for the train will increase by 30%
 
@egreg oh no
 
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7:12 PM
@egreg too bad
 
7:58 PM
@PauloCereda ^^^^ you've been poisoning children again bbc.co.uk/news/business-38660041
 
 
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9:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle Never thought about the meaning of the extension. This is much more clear now :)
@JosephWright A new...fontspec version?
 
@Kurzd I assume that this is in reply to an earlier comment not in reply to the comment above:-)
@Kurzd yes a minor update to fit in with the new latex release
 
@DavidCarlisle It is :P. Hearing about @PauloCereda 's shenanigans was amusing nonetheless
LaTeX version? Surely can't be LaTeX3. A new TeX Live version?
 
@Kurzd latex updates don't require a new texlive (like texlive 2017) they are just pushed to texlive 2016 like normal package updates via tlmgr
 
@DavidCarlisle Is this still LaTeX2e? Does it have a special name?
 
$ latex \\stop
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.17 (TeX Live 2016) (preloaded format=latex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
LaTeX2e <2017/01/01>
@Kurzd 2017/01/01 latex releases happen not infrequently (three or four times a year on average last few years)
@Kurzd each line ### denotes a release latex-project.org//svnroot/latex2e-public/trunk/base/… (for recent releases, older releases not marked in that way)
 
9:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle I see. Why is it called <2017/01/01> instead of the date of release?
 
@Kurzd it's only a name:-) historically they are first of a month, although have usually been exceptions "date of release" is a bit arbitrary and hard to fix in advance, it could mean "date we freeze the code internally for testing and packaging" or "date we push to ctan" or "date texlive pulls from ctan and pushes to users" these can easily be a week or so apart, and it's easier to remember first of year, if you need to roll back a document with \RequirePackage[2017/01/01]{latexrelease}
@Kurzd I've been using LaTeX2e <2017/01/01> since November (according to that change log)
 
9:57 PM
@Ruben I think there is an issue with your edit
 
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10:08 PM
@DavidCarlisle nasty timetraveller
 
@DavidCarlisle Actually, 2016-09-15 David Carlisle <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>. I also saw re-instate the old 2014 version of fixltx2e.sty protected by \IncludeInRelease guards in the changelog for this version. I thought distros from 2015 onward didn't need the user to load that package on every document.
 
@Kurzd they don't but currently if you (or say a preprint archive) wants to process a document as if it was 2014 you can add \RequirePackage[2014/01/01]{latexrelease} to the document then latex will undo all its changes, but if the document has \usepackage{fixltx2e} in 2014 it would have loaded fixes but in 2016 latex fixltx2e package does nothing, in 2017 fixltx2e detects this and does the fixes it used to do
 
@DavidCarlisle That seems like a step backwards.
 
10:23 PM
@Kurzd ? seemed like a good idea to me (that's why I did it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I misunderstood. Thought \usepackage{fixltx2e} was automatic. Why was it disabled in the first place?
 
@Kurzd see ltnews 22 (and ltnews26 from the above svn for a description of the 2017 change)
 
10:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle Is the 26th issue released already? latex-project.org/news/latex2e-news shows up to 25th and the svnroot has no mentions of it either.
 
11:12 PM
@Kurzd no it's the one for the upcoming release in doc: latex-project.org//svnroot/latex2e-public/trunk/doc/…
 
11:44 PM
@wilx @egreg @UlrikeFischer @WillRobertson latest incarnation of the ť saga:
 
@DavidCarlisle Interesting!
 
@egreg @WillRobertson's code:-) (plus some bits by some Italian bloke)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll look into it. ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Cool. :)
 

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