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5:00 PM
@yo' Which is the one that would appear in a table of contents
 
yo'
@repurposer sorry, I have never seen a ToC in a beamer file...
 
@yo' A stuff between \begin{frame}...\end{frame}, but I would call that a slide?
 
yo'
@repurposer no, that's a frame, quite by definition. Slide is the thing numbered in <> angle brackets
 
@Johannes_B Oh no!
 
@PauloCereda Exactly what i thought. Told them i speak duck and penguin, but wasn't able to prove the latter.
 
5:05 PM
@DavidCarlisle Mumble. Testing, I find there is something not quite right in xgalley :-( Will investigate and (hopefully) fix.
 
@yo' ok. using proper nomenclature in my search terms now
 
yo'
@repurposer well, if you don't find it, just go ahead and ask. I don't think it's possible (beamer processing is strictly linear in frames, so skipping some is not a problem, but exchanging is), still I may easily be wrong.
 
@yo' Thanks, I really didn't find anything. I might ask if this turns into a headache rather than a curiosity. Or if I think to do it some time I am not under a deadline!
 
yo'
@repurposer well, don't solve issues last moment. On the other hand, can't you exchange the frames by a simple copy-paste?
 
5:23 PM
@yo' That's the plan, thus the curiosity vs. headache for now
 
5:53 PM
Apparently TeX wasn't originally considered because "there isn't good Windows support". Heheheh. More seriously and out of curiosity, when did Windows support become a reality? A question for those with serious tenure for TeX; when I started using it four (!!) years ago, Windows support was already well-established.
Apparently we were going to use this $600 piece of software: e-iceblue.com/Introduce/pdf-for-net-introduce.html#.VWYE1M_BzRY
 
@SeanAllred It comes in a box, so it must be good!
 
@ArthurReutenauer We all know that box is fake
 
@SeanAllred I think that in spite of that the image plays a role, though. I mean it appeals to some part of the unconscious of people buying software for corporations, I’m sure!
 
@SeanAllred emtex was pretty solid on dos before windows was really usable, so basically always
 
@SeanAllred About Windows support: since forever? WinEdt is about 20 years old, and there was already support before that (WinEdt being the editor, of course - TeX itself had been ported before).
 
5:59 PM
and before emtex sbtex (free) arbortex and pctex (commercial)
 
@SeanAllred I started with TeX on Windows, actually. Typing the source as plain text in Word - the way my stepfather was doing himself and had suggested to me.
 
@DavidCarlisle That's harassing. :)
 
@SeanAllred first machine I installed tex on for a colleague in math department was sbtex in around 1987, on a first generation ibm pc with no hard disk but you could run tex and an editor and dvi previewer by shuffling three floppies around the two drives.
 
@ArthurReutenauer It's impressive you got anything done.
 
@SeanAllred Ha ha! Well I was very meticulous back then.
 
6:27 PM
@Manuel -- you say "The definition of proof is the “default” with thmtools+amsmath." no, no, no! that's thmtools+amsthm. (amsmath is probably used as well, but it's totally irrelevant to proofs. you may already have learned this -- i'm several hours behind in my reading -- but it's such a frequent mistake that it bears repeating the correction.)
 
6:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle -- lists are the spawn of the devil. or, at least, thinking that every element of a document is a variant of the list is evil in the extreme. much worse than misguided. (but i suppose i should be grateful. if it weren't for all the questions they engender, i might not have a steady job.)
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6:59 PM
@barbarabeeton heretic
 
7:17 PM
@JosephWright *scribbles in notebook*
 
@barbarabeeton Mistake of writing, not of idea. I know it's amsthm :) Thanks anyway!
 
@DavidCarlisle @barbarabeeton alas, the great failure of DocBook
 
7:51 PM
@SeanAllred lists?
 
8:01 PM
@PauloCereda That is something you would love, right? yearoftheduck.com/duck-side-of-the-moon
 
Ah, I managed to log in from my phone :-) Life is good.
 
@ArthurReutenauer We have ducks, penguins and maybe some other animals around. What are you?
 
@Johannes_B I'm more of a cat-person but that may be a little banal
 
@ArthurReutenauer I am a penguin, but I speak duck as well. Quaaaak. <- One of the ways to ping @paulo :-)
 
@Johannes_B I'll think of something. Can I be someone cool like a South American rodent, a capybara for example?
@Johannes_B Or a platypus? Something exotic in any case.
 
8:08 PM
@ArthurReutenauer I like that. Do you do the polka?
 
@Johannes_B ooh <3
 
If I was a platypus I'd have a beak too.
 
@ArthurReutenauer I saw one when coming to USP today. :)
 
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A: Inline BibTeX in LaTeX?

Johannes_B\documentclass{article} \begin{document} \section{Polka loving Platypus} \cite{companion}\cite{article-full} \bibliographystyle{alpha} \bibliography{xampl, biblatex-examples} \end{document} Running bibtex on the aux file of the first LaTeX run gives us the following The style file: alpha....

 
@PauloCereda A capybara, I assume, not a platypus :-)
 
8:10 PM
@ArthurReutenauer Yep the former. :)
 
@Johannes_B I can learn.
I think I can be a platypus.
 
@PauloCereda Since we have polka loving platypus, is there still room for pogo penguin?
 
@PauloCereda I first heard of these because it's the name of a UI testing framework for Ruby on Rails :-)
 
@ArthurReutenauer Wait for the TUG conference I will host. :)
 
@PauloCereda That was a lot of fun. Sure looks like it. youtube.com/watch?v=P7EDziSv3jo
 
8:18 PM
@PauloCereda Looking forward to that :-)
 
@Johannes_B Nope. :)
 
@PauloCereda How about her? She is cute. youtube.com/watch?v=e26L6iUQA4c
 
@Johannes_B No one beats Daniela Mercury. :) youtube.com/watch?v=rOHAJ6oD-fc Check from 0:55. Panamerican Games, 2007.
 
8:45 PM
@ArthurReutenauer -- oh, capybaras are cool! i once attended a lecture by gerald durrell (of the jersey zoo and conservation trust) wherein he described an animal collecting expedition to south america. one of the animals they brought back was a capybara. durrell was also quite talented at producing ad hoc sketches. he drew an enchanting sketch of the capy eating spaghetti, of which, it was discovered, the creature was quite fond. i'm sorry that image never found a place in any of his books.
 
 
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10:47 PM
@JosephWright is there any particular reason why we don't migrate this question ?
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Q: How do I move the table to the vertically center, and align figure and table together?

Cagri \begin{figure}[htbp] \centering \makebox[0.5\textwidth]{\includegraphics[width=0.7\textwidth]{figure/ch3/result_s2/book.jpg}} \qquad \qquad \scalebox{0.7}{ \begin{tabular}[c]{cc} \hline \textbf{Method} & \textbf{$\sigma$} \\ \hline method 1 & 0.0 \\ ...

I voted for migration but apparently the first vote got stuck on off-topic.
 
Sadly I can't vote to migrate yet :-(... I can call for moderator attention, though
 
Anyone else getting Wikipedia returning errors?
 
@FaheemMitha no
 
Seems to have gone away, at least for now.
@DavidCarlisle Was a momentary thing, apparently.
Was getting errors like:
79ebe08c] 2015-05-27 22:54:57: Fatal exception of type MWException
 
11:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle in a sense, yes. it tries too hard to make the document as structured as possible. In my (albeit limited/hobbyist) experience, this is really restrictive.
 
@SeanAllred ah yes but that's visible structure so rather different to @barbarabeeton's complaint about latex that it uses an internal list implementation for non-list things like theorems and quote and center,
 
@DavidCarlisle Well now that's just silly
 
@SeanAllred barbara or latex?
 
latex
 
Followup to an earlier question here. I have the following code:
\makeatletter
\let\oldref\ref
\def\ref#1{%
\expandafter\ifx\csname R@#1\endcsname\relax
\global\expandafter\let\csname R@#1\endcsname\@empty
\immediate\write\@auxout{%
\string\gappto\string\ReferencedIDs{\trim@spaces{#1},}%
}%
\fi
\oldref{\trim@spaces{#1}}%
}
\def\ReferencedIDs{}
\makeatother
 
11:14 PM
@SeanAllred not really it's just badly named list should have been called general display environment with a mechanism like '$$' for controlling indentation or not if used mid paragrah but list is a shorter name.
 
I just added in the \trim@spaces bit, because otherwise TeX didn't strip off leading and trailing whitespace for labels.
 
@DavidCarlisle Hah! fair point :)
 
This seems to work. But are there any problems with it?
Since TeX has a lot of surprises up its sleeves, or so it seems to me.
 
@FaheemMitha other than \trim@spaces not being defined?
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, I added the trimspaces package.
Which you didn't write, surprisingly.
 
11:17 PM
@FaheemMitha never heard of it:-) but why would there be space in #1 you can't in general do \ref{ foo } to reference foo.
 
@DavidCarlisle You can't?
 
@FaheemMitha no, I wrote \zap@space which sounds more drastic:-)
@FaheemMitha no
 
@DavidCarlisle bummer. But why should \ref be whitespace sensitive?
Or labels, whatever.
 
@FaheemMitha because almost all of TeX is.
 
@DavidCarlisle But whitespace isn't significant. Nobody would deliberately use a label with leading or trailing whitespace.
 
11:20 PM
@FaheemMitha \label { a b c } is legal, but not the same label as a b c or abc
 
Anyway, you don't recommend it?
@DavidCarlisle I'm only talking about leading/trailing whitespace. not removing all whilespace.
Are you saying under some circumstances one might want to distinguish between ` a b c ` and a b c?
 
@FaheemMitha same as you can do \newenvironment{ abc } and define the environment ` abc ` which is started by \begin{ abc } not \begin{abc}
 
@DavidCarlisle hmm
 
@FaheemMitha whether you want to isn't the point, TeX does:-)
 
Fine, I'll take it out.
@DavidCarlisle Uh huh.
 
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