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3:21 AM
Any KOMA folks around here?
 
 
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7:26 AM
Guys, I'll be three days in SP for a conference. Hopefully I'll be back Saturday. :) I will try to get online during the event. You guys behave, specially @David. :) See ya!
 
8:06 AM
Ack from my mobile connection. :)
 
8:22 AM
@PauloCereda not talking to you!
 
@DavidCarlisle: oh no!
 
 
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9:38 AM
So quiet...
 
@PauloCereda ^^^
 
10:06 AM
@JosephWright how's the blog post? :-)
 
 
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11:47 AM
@StevenB.Segletes A bug in stringstrings?
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Q: Format a variable in math mode dependent on its case

SHildebrandtI have a special kind of variable in my equations which I want to be formatted dependent on its case (lower or upper). I already tried using the package stringstrings, but there seem to be problems with math mode and grouping braces. In the example below it always chooses the then-part, ignoring...

 
12:06 PM
@karlkoeller Thanks. I'll have a look. Being an early package of mine,stringstrings is, how can I put this politely, sub-optimal.
...and grossly overweight.
 
1:04 PM
Good maen
 
${\sum\sum}\limits_{i \neq j}$
\bye

Why does this compile with `luatex` instead of throwing an error?
 
@ChristianHupfer not again... lol
I never should have posted that thing, haha
 
@PaulGessler Nice design, though ;)
 
I would focus on the CV content first, it seems you are pretending to be somebody else. — Paul Gessler 10 secs ago
@HenriMenke thank you. I actually just made a new one (short 1-page form for industry). Now I need to integrate them so I can generate both from the same source. :-)
 
1:16 PM
@PaulGessler Why is TeX not listed under your hobbies? ;)
 
@PaulGessler: The internet never forgets :-P
 
@HenriMenke it's in the Software Proficiencies section ;)
@ChristianHupfer indeed. Good advertising though, I suppose. :-)
 
@HenriMenke because luatex isn't tex? (@JosephWright another one for the list of differences? :-)
 
1:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle But \limits after something that isn't a \mathop{} doesn't make any sense so this is a bug, right?
 
@HenriMenke Possibly. We've reported a few possible bugs with the response basically that luatex isn't tex, so it's not a bug if \limits is defined to do something differently in luatex (searching for \limits in the luatex manual doesn't reveal any information at all:-) I'm sure you could define \limits to do something for cases other than \mathop, there is no intrinsic reason why superscript position is tied to vertical centering and horizontal space adjustments and getting larger in displaystyle
 
@DavidCarlisle If luatex isn't tex, why do they call it like that? Luatex will render itself completely useless when you can't typeset examples from the TeXbook without getting contradictory results.
 
Another MS Word question has arrived
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle in other words: Forget LuaTeX, hope for XeTeX?
 
1:54 PM
@yo' not necssarily
@HenriMenke fonts are different, hyphenation is different, lua is different, \endlinechar is different. That doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, just they don't commit to taking 100% of tex sources and producing error free or 100% identical output
@HenriMenke but in this case it might just be a bug..
@yo' do you forget microtype because it changes output, or pdftex because it doesn't accept dvips \specials tex being what it is adding anything means breaking something
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle well, I add microtype with that purpose, and \special is device-dependent by purpose
 
@yo' yes but similarly you can't accidentally switch from pdftex to luatex, as with other changes, if there are features that make you want to switch then the minor (or major) incompatibilities are just what needs to be done to get the features. If you don't need the features and just want to upgrade the engine to "use the latest thing" then even the smallest incompatibility is a pain (as it is if you are trying to get bit for bit compatibility in a latex2e regression test suite..)
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle yeah I see. However, some incompatibilities are given by the circumstances, and some just seem to be unnecessary
anyways, you know better what you say than I do :)
 
2:24 PM
@yo' but actually the reason for saying "not necessarily" to your question is it's a VHS-v-betamax question and the outcome isn't necessarily based on technical issues.
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle what-vs-what?
 
@yo' youngster
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yo'
@DavidCarlisle many friends had VHS players and recorders, we did not (would be a waste of money)
 
@DavidCarlisle Forgot power cable for laptop last night, could not write blog post, have been doing a viva this morning, blog post later today!
 
2:31 PM
@yo' I've never had one either:-)
 
2:49 PM
@DavidCarlisle My, my. I guess we date ourselves in the knowledge of such things as the video wars. Just the other day, I asked the clerk of the party store if they sold Necco's (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necco), one of the most popular candies of my youth and earlier. They replied "what's a Necco?"
My wife had to explain they were like the valentine heart candies, only flat and round.
 
@HenriMenke Not true: it's not supposed to be 100% compatible with TeX90 with good reasoning. What it does need to be is consistent with itself :-) There are still quite a lot of bugs to be fixed: my feeling is the LuaTeX people will need a strong 'testing phase' of getting demos to explore these areas.
 
3:13 PM
@yo': I've taped complete Star Trek Next Generation on VHS cassettes... the quality was sometimes awful (of the taping, not the series... ) ... from 1990 to 1994, when it was broadcast in German TV for the very first time
 
3:27 PM
How to use siunitx for rendering (x+2) m where (x+2) m means x+2 meter?
 
@pleasestopstalking \SI[parse-numbers = false]{(x + 2)}{\metre}, but really it's not meant for this!
 
@JosephWright OK. Thank you very much.
Can I use math mode such as \SI[parse-numbers = false]{$(x + 2)$}{\metre}?
 
@pleasestopstalking No
@pleasestopstalking Math mode is automatic when parse-numbers = false
 
This can be closed:
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Q: \baselineskip not changed within block

krlmlrThis really puzzles me: Attempting to set the baseline in a block (delimited by { and }) doesn't seem to have an effect for typed text, but works when a command creates the text. Question What are the rules here? MWE (also on GitHub) \documentclass{scrartcl} \usepackage{lipsum} \pagestyle{emp...

 
@JosephWright OK. Thanks again.
@JosephWright parse-numbers=false does not produce the same result as $(x+2)$~\si{\metre}.
 
3:40 PM
@pleasestopstalking No, nor should it
 
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{siunitx}

\begin{document}
\noindent
\SI[parse-numbers=false]{(x-2)}{\meter}\\
$(x+2)$~\si{\metre}
\end{document}
 
@pleasestopstalking siunitx uses \, not ~ for spacing
 
@pleasestopstalking 'Reference rendering' is $(x - 2)\nobreak\,\mathrm{m}$
 
The x looks different.
 
@pleasestopstalking Ah, that's complicated!
 
3:42 PM
@JosephWright Hehehe...
 
@pleasestopstalking If you really want to force things you'll want \mbox{\ensuremath{...}}
@pleasestopstalking It's not the intention that a number here can be any old thing
@pleasestopstalking Remeber, you can't measure x + 2 metres, you can only measure a real value
 
@JosephWright OK. Thanks.
 
4:05 PM
@HenriMenke I see the limits thing is fixed in the beta
 
4:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for the info.
 
4:41 PM
Guys, what's the rule command that fills the remaining space with a rule? :P
 
@HenriMenke Not tried it but Luigi and Herbert replied on the luatex list
 
@PauloCereda \hrulefill?
 
@PauloCereda \hrulefill
 
@PaulGessler, @DavidCarlisle: Thank you gentlemen! :)
 
@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle cheated! :-)
 
4:43 PM
@PaulGessler Oh no, also I just remembered I'm not talking to @PauloCereda today.
 
@PaulGessler Never! :)
@DavidCarlisle Oh no, please talk to me. <3
 
@PauloCereda I'll talk to you. And @PaulMcCartney if he's around.
 
@yo' ah not the link I thought:-)
 
5:09 PM
@PaulGessler Damn you @PaulMcCartney! :)
@yo' Thanks Tom! :)
 
!!/eightball Will Paul McCartney be joining us here today?
@PauloCereda Psmith must be resting, or did I do it wrong? haha
 
5:33 PM
@PaulGessler I'm far from him, he's in cambridge, I'm in `manchester'. :)
 
@PauloCereda ah, ok. I thought there was a glitch in the matrix. :-)
 
@PauloCereda I know that route well: manchester, chesterfield, mansfield (stop for lunch at my Mum's) Newark, Huntington, Cambridge.. Used to do it several times a year
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
6:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for the notification. It is to note, that both Luigi and Herbert are on a luatex beta version, whereas I'm on the latest CTAN release.
 
6:23 PM
@HenriMenke yes me too, I'm on the list, but I don't run the test binaries and wait for tl2015:-)
 
@JosephWright -- getting into this discussion a bit late, but ... anyhow, regarding luatex, i i understand and agree with the reasons why it can't be exactly compatible with tex90, but if it is not exactly compatible with appendix g of the texbook, then i think it shouldn't claim to be a plausible successor to tex.
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@barbarabeeton It can't be exactly compatible and let you use your new funky opentype stix fonts with MATH table data etc. But you do want it to be able to use those fonts don't you?
 
6:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle -- well, yes, at least some folks higher up in the management hierarchy are quite eager to use the stix fonts, but everybody expects that, if we feed in an "old" journal article file, having modified the document class to replace only the fonts, the math will come out with the same structural appearance, changed only with respect to glyph shapes and associated metrics. and the job shouldn't fail because of undefined control sequences or syntax changes.
 
6:57 PM
@barbarabeeton Partly depends of course what you mean by 'successor'
@barbarabeeton E.g. Windows is a successor to DOS which was a successor to CP/M, but I don't think you'll find many CP/M programs running on Win10
@barbarabeeton At present, the syntax changes as far as I know not likely to break docs, although see how ^^ syntax can be used to test for 8-bit vs Unicode engines. What is different is hyphenation, etc.
 
@JosephWright -- for a production shop like ams, what would be expected in a "successor" is pretty close to "drop-in-replacement". radically changed hyphenation might be a problem, but changed math behaviour would be s distinct no-go criterion.
 
@barbarabeeton As I said earlier, my feeling is that the LuaTeX team will at some stage need a large-ish test set sorting out: as both @DavidCarlisle and I have found, there are lots of small things in LuaTeX which are not deliberate differences from pdfTeX
 
Does anyone know which is the TEXMF dir in MacTeX distro?
@egreg do you have MacTeX installed?
 
@karlkoeller /usr/local/texlive/<year>/texmf-dist
 
7:13 PM
@Joseph Thanks.
 
@karlkoeller Why you asking?
 
@Joseph I was quite sure it was that one. It is to help the OP in my answer to this question
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Q: How to print Bibtex entry volume with uppercase V

Sebastian_92I'm using Bibtex and would like to cite a book that is part of a series. The relevant entry in my bib.bib file is @book{key, author = {author}, title = {title}, series = {series title}, volume = {1: volume title}, publisher = {publisher}, year = {2015} } Instead of "volume 1: volume_title of s...

 
@karlkoeller Easier surely kpsewhich plainnat.bst in the Terminal
 
@Joseph Right. Thanks
 
7:54 PM
Typical: our graduation session is the second day of TUG2015!
 
yo'
@JosephWright oh no! :(
@JosephWright there's anything else than conferences happening in July and August? :-/
 
@yo' Oh yes: marking for a start
 
yo'
@JosephWright ah you have trimesters?
 
@yo' No, resits: mid to late August
 
yo'
@JosephWright ah ok. The schedule is different here: the terms ends mid May, then the exams are until the end of June and then the retakes are for two weeks in September
 
8:07 PM
@yo' Not dissimilar, but how do you get resits done, marked, etc., before the new term?
 
yo'
@JosephWright well, it's more complicated here: Each student can come 3 times to the exam, so you just publish the dates of the exams and they register. Marking is mostly done the same day as the exam
and you can do the exams until the Friday before the next year starts. Of course, the problem of taking the exams this late is that you don't know whether you'll be a student in 3 days, but that's your business if yyou don't manage to pass theeaxms in June
 
@yo' How? Surely there has to be a formal process to OK the results, inform students, etc.?
@yo' Also, how can you be sure that staff will be around to mark on the day? You need (at least) two people per exam for a start
 
yo'
@JosephWright Well, most exams are oral, so the result is instant
 
@yo' Oh, vivas not exams then
@yo' Still need to go for formal approval: vivas can only recommend a pass/fail
 
yo'
@JosephWright you don't, here. Most exams are one-to-one. Both the student and the teacher can ask for an exam with supervision, but not for the 1st attempt of the student. Also, this happens only like once per couple thousand student-exams
@JosephWright The system here is very different
 
8:12 PM
@yo' One-to-one fine but results surely have to be OK'd by the faculty/university as a whole (they are the degree-awarding body)
 
yo'
@JosephWright eeeee no? we trust our teachers ;)
 
@yo' Doesn't matter
@yo' Not about trust: degrees are awarded by the corporate body
 
yo'
@JosephWright so: me, the student, I register for the exam, I come there (often to the teacher's office), I'm examined, he says: A, B, C, D, E or Fail, and puts this information in the system online. For 99.99% of cases, that's all.
 
@yo' Yes, but that's surely a recommendation to Senate or whatever is the governing body of the university
 
yo'
@JosephWright no. That's the final grade for the subject.
 
8:15 PM
@yo' Weird
 
yo'
@JosephWright not at all?
I consider the US system weird: only ABCD tests. How the hell can you know from an ABCD test if the student understands the math?
 
@yo' For example, I did a (PhD) viva today. We recommend to the Faculty of Science that a PhD is awarded subject to corrections. However, that decision has to be agreed by faculty then the degree awarded by the senate.
 
yo'
@JosephWright ah for the degrees, that's different. This all was for the subjects. For the degree, there's a state exam, these are in June and September here.
 
@yo' How do you get away with 1-to-1? Surely anti-discrimination etc. prevents it?
 
yo'
@JosephWright I'm tempted to say: it's about culture
 
8:18 PM
@yo' Perhaps, but for example we can't interview for PhD students/postdocs nowadays on a 1-to-1 basis, there have to be at least two people present. That's relatively new (since I did my PhD)
 
yo'
Yes, there are exams where girls get in average better results and there're exams where it's vice versa. Yes, we've had corruption attempts etc.
 
@yo' I was thinking more ethnicity but ...
 
yo'
@JosephWright PhD is quite a different story, yeah
@JosephWright we don't have various ethnics here (well, it's quite negligible)
For PhD students, you have: 4 partial exams (which mostly look like standard bachelor/master subject exams), then a state exam (in front of a committee, tthe student presents a booklet with his results so far), then the defense (a committee again, two reviews etc.)
For bachelor/master, you have: subject exams (mostly oral), and then the final project defense (with 1 review from supervisor and 1 from a reviewer) together with 2 or 3 state exams in front of the committee.
And subject exams are mostly oral and mostly 1-to-1
 
@yo' As you say, the system in the UK is (largely) very different (although if one reads up on the history of tripos at Oxbridge it was more that way in the past)
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Q: What is your experience switching from TeXShop to Sublime Text?

A.G.I recently installed Sublime Text 3 on my mac and spent a couple of hours reading the doc and installing LaTeX tools. So far my long-time editor has been TeXShop, I have a number of text-expansion tricks that help my workflow quite a bit. I imagine, although I could be wrong, that switching to ST...

Is this opinion-based?
 
yo'
@JosephWright IMHO yes, do you wish me to cast the first vote and comment?
@JosephWright yeah, I dunno which is better. My experience is this: oral exam has a better resolution of the student's abilities, but more inclination to bias. The written exam is unbiased, but impossible to tell which students are actually good :-/
 
8:27 PM
@yo' Please: as you know, I can only vote if I'm really sure
 
yo'
@JosephWright yeah :)
 
@yo' My experience is that the written exam results usually are broadly in line with what you expect, over all
 
@JosephWright @yo' I thought the same on that one but wasn't totally sure; I'll cast a vote too.
 
yo'
@JosephWright @PaulGessler commented and voted. @Johannes_B will love me for this one :)
 
@yo' Johannes will, for sure, haha :-)
 
8:30 PM
@yo' :-)
OK, new interview name: how about @Johannes_B?
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yo'
@JosephWright you should have put the two things on one line ;)
 
@yo' Fixed
 
yo'
oh Quack!
@JosephWright :)
 
@yo' Remember I can edit all the messages :-)
 
yo'
@JosephWright and you don't do it :) and that's the idea of TAs not cheating the exams: Why would you do that? :)
btw, got a new puzzle today, and I love it (and I've got no idea how to solve it of course)
 
8:55 PM
Right, back to that blog post ...
 
9:28 PM
I've been considering moving to KOMA and I have an honest question that I'm afraid sounds like troll.
What is with the formatting of the documentation at mirror.utexas.edu/ctan/macros/latex/contrib/koma-script/doc/…?
The almost non-existent right margin and the mix of serif and sans-serif fonts have me rather baffled.
 
@Gregory I've always thought it's a bit odd
 
@Gregory don't think I've ever looked before but the margins are weird, unless it's a self referential example somewhere of some extreme setting I can't imagine why it's like that:-)
 
@Da
 
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Q: How to force a math font regardless of any other factors?

EricI am using Charter for math (mathdesign package) and Bitstream Vera for body text (through XeLaTeX's fontspec package. However, when using things like \text{} in math mode, the text still appears in the Vera font. It's hard to explain without a visual, so here is one now: $$\Delta v = v_\text{e...

 
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright. Thanks. I was afraid it was just me.
 
9:36 PM
A dupe of something or ...?
@Gregory :-)
@DavidCarlisle Blog post posted:
 
@JosephWright hope it's all true:-) will look...
 
@DavidCarlisle Fingers-crossed
 
s/thing/think/ @JosephWright
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
yo'
@JosephWright there's a mistake for sure: the two MWEs with [T2A] appear identical...
 
9:39 PM
@yo' Fixed
 
yo'
@JosephWright good. :)
 
@JosephWright not finished yet but noting things as I spot them, thin(gk) as above and saying only English is a bit pessimistic, as javier commented it works OK for spanish (and probably French) or in general if T1=latin1=unicode, it's mainly the latin2 slots and \ss that fail
 
@DavidCarlisle OK, I'll adjust
 
@JosephWright special case s it s -> as
 
@JosephWright -- "LuaTeX is something of a special case s it doesn’t save" --> "... as it ..."
 
9:45 PM
@barbarabeeton look at my comment the line above:-)
@JosephWright looks good apart from those,
 
@DavidCarlisle See updated version
@barbarabeeton :-)
@DavidCarlisle This is where blogs are good :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- yeah, yeah. i'm working on laptop. i had that before you did, but not so fast on laptop as on workstation.
 
@DavidCarlisle T1 isn't quite Latin-1, is it?
 
10:05 PM
@yo' @JosephWright You called? What is going on?
 
@Johannes_B See starred message
 
yo'
@Johannes_B we've sent you someone to LC ;)
@JosephWright ah, that, too :)
 
@yo' Oy
@JosephWright Oy vey
:-)
 
@JosephWright you can get accented characters in luaLaTeX with \usepackage[utf8]{luainputenc}. hyphenation still doesn't work with this, though
 
@michal.h21 luainputenc is about a slightly different (though related) area
 
10:15 PM
@percusse Are you around?
 
@AlanMunn reporting for duty
 
@percusse :) So I have an odd TikZ puzzle (or it's an illusion). It relates to the answer in this question. It seems to me that the line is not straight, but I don't know why. Any ideas?
 
@AlanMunn The ncbar line?
 
@JosephWright yeah, it is, I was reacting that you can get at least diacritics to work. I am using luainputenc with tex4ht, as we don't need hyphenation, I use fontspec otherwise
 
@percusse Yes. To me it looks like the arrow line is just a tiny bit longer than the non-arrow line and as a result the horizontal line slopes.
 
10:20 PM
@michal.h21 You only need luainputenc to deal with non-Unicode input with LuaTeX: the font encoding side is handled separately (that's rather the point of fontenc and inputenc)
 
@AlanMunn It can happen try g instead of t. (I'm still installing gb4e)
 
@michal.h21 As I said in my blog, LuaTeX is something of a special case so the issues are somewhat different from XeTeX
 
@percusse Sorry? 'g' instead of 't' where?
 
@michal.h21 @DavidCarlisle has some plans at least for LuaTeX, but to add them to the kernel we need to sort out some other issues first (callback management, etc.). Too tight for TL2015, but hopefully after that.
 
@AlanMunn In the starting position \tikzmark{g} descender would make it obvious. You are right about it. It is clearly not straight. And that's probably because they are not on the same baseline
 
10:25 PM
@percusse Ah, ok. I vaguely had that thought at some point. So what's the best solution for that?
 
@JosephWright try to add \usepackage[utf8]{luainputenc} to your example with "straße", you will get "ß" in the output
 
@michal.h21 Yes, but essentially by making LuaTeX act as an 8-bit engine for the purpose of this excercise
@michal.h21 An alternative (which I suspect ConTeXt MkIV uses) is to recode the fonts on-the-fly
 
@AlanMunn Scratch that. Baselines are fine. It's a to path weirdness. Let me check.
 
@JosephWright yes, which is why we can use LuaTeX with tex4ht, as it doesn't support unicode fonts
 
@AlanMunn change your arrow macro to \draw[->,shorten >=3pt,shorten <=3pt] (#1.base) to [ncbar=\arrowht] (#2.base); (added .base anchor to each point). Another method is to set text width and text height, IIRC. But in either case, then you need to adjust your ncbar distances to account for the changed height.
Even though the baselines are aligned, the node takes the natural size of the text inside it, so when you use the center anchor, the height is not the same.
 
10:32 PM
@PaulGessler That makes it much worse!
@PaulGessler Yes, this is the problem. So really I need to set a minimum size for the nodes.
 
@AlanMunn The problem is that tikzmark placement is not playing well with the ncbar. Because the words are aligned with respect to their .base anchor and when they have descendants or tall letters(?!) their center, ah as Paul mentioned, moves around.
 
@AlanMunn huh? Not for me:
 
So one way is to fix the ncbar with repect to base anchors
% This code from tex.stackexchange.com/q/55068/2693
\tikzset{
    ncbar angle/.initial=90,
    ncbar/.style={
        to path=(\tikztostart)
        -- ($(\tikztostart.base)!#1!\pgfkeysvalueof{/tikz/ncbar angle}:(\tikztotarget.base)$)
        -- ($(\tikztotarget.base)!($(\tikztostart.base)!#1!\pgfkeysvalueof{/tikz/ncbar angle}:(\tikztotarget.base)$)!\pgfkeysvalueof{/tikz/ncbar angle}:(\tikztostart.base)$)
        -- (\tikztotarget)
    },
    ncbar/.default=0.5cm,
}
 
@AlanMunn ^^ that's with the code change I just sent you
 
@PaulGessler Sorry, you're right. I had changed the anchor in the tikzmark macro and forgot to change it back.
 
10:34 PM
@PaulGessler Why doesn't it start from the base (#1.base) to [ncbar=\arrowht] (#2.base);?
Ah not .text nevermind
 
@percusse That throws an error.
 
@AlanMunn Just compiled fine for me. What's the error?
 
:19776957 ./arrowex.tex:45: Package PGF Math Error: Unknown operator `.' or `.b' (in '0.0
pt.base').
@percusse Your mod + @PaulGessler 's are incompatible... :)
 
Weird. Is it the same code from the question you have linked ?
 
@percusse No it has Paul's suggestion too. WHen I remove his yours works.
 
10:39 PM
@AlanMunn Ah yes. Because then it would be (#1.base.base)
Paul's is more concise, so that would be better I guess.
 
@percusse Yes, I'm coming to that conclusion.
 
@AlanMunn What took you so long? :P
 
@percusse :D
@percusse Yes, I will probably change the name to something else if I make it a package for wider use.
 
@AlanMunn @percusse yeah, it could be fixed in either place, but if you change ncbar it's less general for other usage elsewhere. Though the same could be said about \arrow but I'm assuming that's used to mark text... :-)
 
@AlanMunn But keep in mind that coordinates don't have base anchors. So if you use other kinds of tikzmarks, expect all kind of weird stuff :)
And stop marking Dutch text :P
 
10:43 PM
@percusse Yes, I will probably change the name to something else if I make it a package for wider use.
@percusse Well give me some Turkish and I'll mark that... :P
@percusse And then I get to use cool dotless 'i'.
 
@AlanMunn You wouldn't want that. Especially while all the journalists are going to jail for trivial bullshit :)
 
@percusse Indeed.
@PaulGessler @percusse Thanks to you both.
 
@AlanMunn The pleasure is mine
 
@PaulGessler @percusse Thanks to you both.
 
Thanks for the new package ! :)
 
10:53 PM
@AlanMunn my pleasure; I actually just sorted a similar problem in my own work. :-)
 
@percusse Don't hold your breath...
 
yo'
@AlanMunn wow, I mean, that's a nice thing to my vocabulary of English idiomatic language :)
 
@yo' It's a pretty good one, isn't it!
 
yo'
@AlanMunn yep, completely self-explanatory! :D
 
@AlanMunn sortieenmer.com
I think I've pasted this one before but hold yo breath :P
 
11:03 PM
@percusse For some reason this video is unplayable for me. (Choppy, like the seas...). Maybe the home DSL is too slow.
 
@AlanMunn No worries. Some irrelevant link :)
 
@percusse I wouldn't have expected anything less. ;)
 
@AlanMunn Somehow sounded like a compliment.... la la la la la not listening la la la la
 
@percusse Actually you have impeccable taste in irrelevance.
 
@AlanMunn One day they will all suddenly make sense. You just wait
 
11:10 PM
@percusse Of course when that day arrives w.r.t. @PauloCereda 's contributions, you can just throw on the straitjacket and dump me into the padded cell...
 
@AlanMunn no way. inner sep=0!
 
@percusse LOL
 
11:58 PM
@JosephWright no that's the problem, characters where it differs mess up, eg \ss and all the latin2 ones
@michal.h21 yes but hyphenation not working means it's not really safe, hyphenation is fixable though
 

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