Good maen...

Good morning!

What language is it?

@ShashankSawant: Good morning/afternoon/evening/night ... depending on the current time, 'globally valid' ;-)

:)

@PauloCereda: Good morning, how are you?

@ChristianHupfer Ohai, in a hurry as always. :) And you?

@PauloCereda: Well, I have more time for TeX.SX now... the move is over ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Yay, congrats!

Time to go to SP! See ya, guys!

@PauloCereda: See you ;-)

@PauloCereda Nicola had a book launch last night: I have a copy of her first full-length fiction work :-)

@Navaneeth Nothing to do with us :-)

@JosephWright dw, he's doing it on gaming, SF, and computer science.

@tombull89 Ah

@JosephWright: ooh cool!

@DavidCarlisle I see that my strategy of saying 'all LaTeX3 stuff should just be down as belonging to the team as a whole' is a Good Thing when it comes to CTAN!

@PauloCereda Do you want the 1030 GMT slot at UK-TUG 2014? Assuming Skype works fine again, it would be a good opener

From a question: “I'm pretty new to Latex, so please bare with me.” Should we do it or is it better to fix the grammar?

@JosephWright: fine with me. :) I will poke you later on about some details. :)

hi, can somebody help me make a glossary? I've read the package manual but I could not make one... :(

@EnthusiasticStudent: There are many questions on this topic on TeX.SX! I think the example/solutions there will guide you... and the manual will help too, anyway

@ChristianHupfer Yes.. but I could not...

I need a better phone.

I cant haz proper interwebz in here.

At least I don't have emacs installed. :)

@EnthusiasticStudent: This is an answer by me I made some time ago... with descriptions: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/192378/…

@PauloCereda: Yes, you a need real smartphone, with Android on it, not that fruit company thingy

@ChristianHupfer: mine is an Android.

@PauloCereda: You corrupted it by installing vim on it? :-P

@ChristianHupfer The problem is that I don't want the page numbers be listed. I want a list of definitions at the end of my book. On the left side a term and on the right side a three word definition.

@ChristianHupfer: nope. :)

@EnthusiasticStudent: That's an important information -- it would be worth to give that before let us guessing around wildly

@JosephWright I nearly responded by saying "who's Frank?" but I thought that might not have clarified the situation.

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@ChristianHupfer see, there is something here as a list of acronyms; but the definitions are so near to each other. I want one term be on the left and its definitions be on the right. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/86666/…

@EnthusiasticStudent Which package? If you're talking about glossaries, have you tried the beginner's guide (HTML or PDF)

@JosephWright Thanks for turning up! :-)

@NicolaTalbot acro package.

@NicolaTalbot I could not make such list by glossary package

@EnthusiasticStudent glossary isn't the same as glossaries. They're two different packages. (glossary is obsolete and has been replaced by glossaries.)

Yes I have read that beginer's guide

I posted a question about this: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/209870/…

@DavidCarlisle I'll be there one week earlier ;) staying close to Hyde Park

@NicolaTalbot: I will talk on the UK-TUG about our tool! Yay! :)

@PauloCereda Cool! :-) I'm hoping I'll be able to make it.

@PauloCereda I've made my first set of video tutorials :-) The audio is occasionally a bit out of sync with the video, but I ended up doing them separately and then merging the mp3 into the mp4 file.

@NicolaTalbot Wow, how nice! Congrats!

@NicolaTalbot Huston, we have a problem:

@tohecz Oh no! It's just an mp4 file. I tried to convert it to ogv, but the ogv file ended up far too large. I'll have another try.

@tohecz I've added ogv versions, but they're quite a bit bigger so they may take longer to load.

Hello, I'm struggling with compiling some tikz graphs. They're generated in Matlab and then I save them with matlab2tikz. Some of them have millions of points, so I preprocess the files and comment out 99% of the points. On one particular graph I'm looking to zoom in, by changing the xmin and xmax and same for y. However it's exceeding it's memory capacity, even though within the small window that I want to plot there are not that many points. Any general techniques for situations like these?

Also, maybe more frustratingly, even when I comment out most of the lines I get a dimension too large error when I try and make the window small. What's so strange is that when I make it a little bigger, the error goes away and everything compiles. This seems completely counterintuitive - I plot a larger window with more points and that decreases some internal "dimension"?

Tikz and I have never gotten along...

@bjorne do you need tikz here (as opposed to just getting matlab to write an EPS file that you could include)?

@DavidCarlisle, I've never tried it like that. I don't like the way the graph looks in Matlab. I like the way it renders in tikz though, and the small tweeks that I make, like enlarging the window, and changing the plot colors and styles etc. That's crucial.

I like tikz externalisation, and some other similar features as well. Not sure how much of that I would be sacrificing if I changed

Plus, I presume I would end up having to solve similar issues with a different technique. No free lunch.

@bjorne ah well I was just going by "Tikz and I have never gotten along..." and looking after your well-being, I wasn't considering the quality of the resulting document:-)

Thanks. Unfortunately my well-being is also a function of the quality of the resulting document :)

It's a difficult optimisation problem that probably warrants its own paper

I thought etex would solve the no room for a new \dimen error?

@Johannes_B \usepackage{etex}

@DavidCarlisle latex-community.org/forum/…

@Johannes_B ? anyway etex has more dimen registers but latex doesn't know that unless you load etex package

@DavidCarlisle I am trying this right now, but ...; maybe cause it's friday.

\RequirePackage{etex}
\listfiles
\documentclass[a4paper, 11pt]{scrartcl}
\usepackage[margin=0.8 in]{geometry}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[ngermanb]{babel}
\addtokomafont{sectioning}{\rmfamily}
\usepackage{array}
\usepackage{multirow}
\usepackage{enumerate}
\usepackage{multicol}
\usepackage{booktabs}
\usepackage{tabularx}
\usepackage[usenames]{color}
\newcolumntype{L}[1]{>{\raggedright\arraybackslash}p{#1}}
\newcolumntype{C}[1]{>{\centering\arraybackslash}p{#1}}

Hi. How does \widthof{..} work? It seems to be expandable, so I don't understand. How is it possible that it goes as an argument instead of a dimension/length?

@Manuel it's not expandable, it just sets a box and gets `\wd of that box

Then how is it possible to use it inside arguments like \begin{minipage}{\widthof{something}}?

@DavidCarlisle Out of curiosity, does the above code thow the error?

@Manuel calc package parses its syntax and does all the calculations to one side, then passes a dimen to the actual width setting

@Johannes_B yes, but I got distracted by the day job, can';t look now

@DavidCarlisle Thanks.

@DavidCarlisle In case it's semi-easy to explain… how does it work? I mean, couldn't that be applied to other areas where “expandability” is a problem? It's definetly nice to be able to say \makebox[\widthof{something}]{blah}.

@Manuel Only if the outer 'wrapper' is not expandable: fine for \makebox but not say for use inside \dimexpr

@Manuel yes that's why we made every such argument eg p{...} in tabular use \setlength rather than just (as it used to in 2.09) just have \hsize=#1 that means calc can come in and redefine \setlength but it only works if no one uses a primtive tex assignment or expects length calculations to be safe in a \write` or....

@Manuel roughy speaking calc parses \setlength\foo{3pt+\widthof{zz}} term by term building up the result so it becomes \tempdim=3pt \setbox0\hbox{zz} \advance\tempdim\wd0 \foo=\tempdim

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Understood. That's a nice one.

@Manuel We both edited gather in our comments at nearly the same time.

@Johannes_B \reserveinserts{10}

@DavidCarlisle tex.stackexchange.com/a/38609/37907 mentioned morefloat and manyfoot. And i just found out, that bigfoot loads manyfoot.

I am feeling a little bit stupid now, Thanks @DavidCarlisle

@Johannes_B really we should fix etex.sty not to need \reserveinserts, I just copied the plain tex code the etex team used, but it's not that flexible really.

@Johannes_B You were faster, tough.

@DavidCarlisle Looking at the file it seems you wrote the first code a while back.

@DavidCarlisle Is Peter Breitenlohner still active?

@Manuel It is not a race, it is important that helpful information gets distributed.

Good maen ...

@ChristianHupfer Hi

@Johannes_B as I say I just made the etex team's plain macros not break latex and have a bit more of a latex interface, but I guess Peter Breitenlohner wrote the actual allocation code.

@Johannes_B tell that to @egreg

@DavidCarlisle See my comments on the team list

@DavidCarlisle Unfortunately, i don't have any knowledge there.

@Johannes_B: Hallo nach Freiberg ;-)

@Johannes_B Certainly contactable

@DavidCarlisle Should have bitten the bullet and baked into the format :-)

@ChristianHupfer Had the dog yesterday, first walk 20 km, and again 7 in the evening. With my extra milelage, i guess i walked 30 km.

@ChristianHupfer Measured distance this month: 118 km

@Johannes_B: had to move last weekend ... travelled distance: 45 km... happy now :D

@ChristianHupfer I hope you used a transporter and didn't carry all the stuff by hand walking to the new place.

@JosephWright 2015 and unfixltx2e ? but then what to do about inserts, start again coming down from 2^16 ?

@Johannes_B: there are transporters? Damn... I should have known that before

@ChristianHupfer Sure, available in any color imaginable. There are special trailers available to transport stuff. You should check it out sometime. Driving those things is awesome and hell of a ride.

@ChristianHupfer For future reference -> cdn.simba-dickie-group.de/media/shop-big/products/800056280/01/…

@Johannes_B yes he shows up on texlive list sometimes

@JosephWright old ones?, I don't see any new mail?

@Johannes_B: I have driven them already... and there will be no move again in near future... I am at my home, in my castle ;-)

@ChristianHupfer I would love to see a photo of you on such a linked truck.

so @egreg gets the tick for gather* and \\[..] now wherever did those come from.....

@Johannes_B: No chance :-P

@DavidCarlisle A few months ago, yes

@DavidCarlisle Sounds reasonable: reserve more inserts 'up front' (expl3 grabs 32)

@DavidCarlisle Long time amsart user. ;-)

@JosephWright That means instead of loading package etex and reserveinsserts one could load expl3 instead; or in other words, any package based on L3 will make the new room for ne \dimen error disappear.

@DavidCarlisle And I had to tell you where \nonbreakingspace came from, as you appeared not being aware of that. :P

@Johannes_B Under most circumstances, but it needs to be 'early'

@Johannes_B There is a bug in etex.sty that can still bite

@JosephWright Ah right, i forgot the early part.

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Would fixing the bug in etex.sty cause any compatibility issues?

@Johannes_B No

@egreg just after I'd prised it put of the OP:-)

@JosephWright well I was thinking of either: if you are out of inserts bump all the allocations up to the current maximum and allocate them all normally for the next insert, or.. just start allocating inserts backwards from 2^16

@DavidCarlisle Both reasonable plans

@DavidCarlisle Note for LuaTeX the best plan is to allocate everything from 2^16 +1 to start with, and leave all of the 'precious' set for inserts (that's what luatex.sty does)

@DavidCarlisle If we are going to make these changes, we need to get on with it soon

@Johannes_B not really a bug,

@JosephWright good plan, I'll just finish xor then we'll get on and do it

@DavidCarlisle tell it to @JosephWright :-p

:-)

@Johannes_B It's an odd one, perhaps more of a 'quirk'

@Johannes_B oh I thought you meant neediung reserveinserts, I was driving home not scrolled the thread back:-)

@DavidCarlisle In all seriousness, if we are going to make what would be relatively 'large' (if necessary) changes in latex.ltx we need to decide on them soon and get the information 'out there' for testing.

@DavidCarlisle I really do think we need to address the allocation routine business, not just for e-TeX but also for XeTeX/LuaTeX additional register types, etc.

@DavidCarlisle I guess the (un)fix stuff is relatively easy to do (more or less a straight swap), but anything else is more tricky

@JosephWright yes I was thinking same the other day

@DavidCarlisle Team list for a plan, then some publicity (my blog, team site), I think

@DavidCarlisle Do you want to raise this or should I?

@JosephWright you mean don't discuss secret plans on public chat sites?

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@JosephWright I could, I think Frank wants me to update graphics first (once I work out what the recent thread was about)

@DavidCarlisle I'd happily do all the talking on LaTeX-L, but that might not be universally popular

@DavidCarlisle OK

@DavidCarlisle I guess I should take a look at the build process and see if we can switch to l3build

@DavidCarlisle Cool

@JosephWright I thought it was that, more or less?

@DavidCarlisle Need to check: as with many L3-related things, it seems it's my job

@DavidCarlisle What needs doing with graphics?

@JosephWright well as far as I understand the thread Frank's made all the changes so it just needs packaging and shipping to ctan

@DavidCarlisle Ah

@JosephWright which means reminding myself how we're supposed to build it these days:-)

@DavidCarlisle I'm very pleased we've standardised for the L3 stuff on 'Copyright <year> Team' and a clear 'release manager' (= me) :-)

@DavidCarlisle Currently Windows batch file, hence needing to sort out l3build for LaTeX2e

@JosephWright oh I thought you had the lua one working I seem to recall there were issues with the bat file in my cygwin setup (as in, it didn't work)

@DavidCarlisle I'll check

I just typed $ texlua build.lua ctan and it's doing something.. oops tex error :(

@JosephWright I had an edited make.bat in graphics, tunning make.bat ctan there, see what athat does

@StefanKottwitz btw: did you get my mail a few weeks back?

@Johannes_B Yes, I did, thank you very much!

@StefanKottwitz You're welcome

@Johannes_B Very useful, also regarding better English

@StefanKottwitz I can't help it, it's just there. I can't skip typos.

@Johannes_B I also read most of your posts on LaTeX-Community.org. Now that I have another reason to procrastinate, I'm posting more there :-)

@StefanKottwitz Can't do much LyX support.

@StefanKottwitz but Scott and Starvalkyrie take care of this.

@Johannes_B Me either, but asking for a LaTeX export is often helpful, so we saw that fragile caption thingy

@StefanKottwitz Just sitting over tocbasic.

@Johannes_B And I'm tired, got up at 4am.

@StefanKottwitz I could sleep in, we had a holiday in saxony.

@StefanKottwitz 4 am, work or kids?

I had to catch a flight early, to get home from a meeting

@DavidCarlisle Progressing on l3build for LaTeX2e base :-)

just to see 5:30 am, that they lost my flight booking somehow

But I managed it.

While discussing at the ticket counter, I quickly made a new booking via the mobile phone, to the surprise of the woman behind the counter who did not manage it yet

good to have the intranet of an airline :-)

@StefanKottwitz :-D

tex.stackexchange.com/revisions/209939/2

@Johannes_B David must have a TikZ to picture converting tool

@StefanKottwitz they all count towards my tikz gold badge...

@DavidCarlisle That's fine, because I assume you made fine drawings with TikZ and converted to picture

@StefanKottwitz in vim of course

@DavidCarlisle no emacs mode for this?

@StefanKottwitz not for tikz, emacs uses use picture.

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright latin abbreviations like e.g. and i.e. and c.f. ... Does one need to put a space in there? i.\,e. or i.e.

Hello everybody!

Any beamer experts here?

@JosephWright To the reception please...

I'd like to change the default color of the itemize symbol in normal text, but inside a block it should inherit from the block title.

Oh no, i found a typo in the KOMA-Script book

@Johannes_B not usually

@DavidCarlisle Thanks.

@Johannes_B In the TeXbook Knuth doesn't put a space, in case you need a reference.

@HenriMenke A simple Knuth reference suffices my needs :-)

it suffices? cannot be right. But it seems to be.

@Johannes_B suffices for

@DavidCarlisle suffices for my needs?

@Johannes_B yes

@Johannes_B don't ask me why:-)

@DavidCarlisle Oh, didn't know that. Thanks

@ChristianHupfer Do you mind if i send you a mail?

@Johannes_B hi

can I take you some minutes to ask a question?

@EnthusiasticStudent I will try to answer if it's not too tricky.

@HenriMenke thank you henri

I want to snap one or two pictures from my desktop

to show some software features

in part of my book I am working on

the format of the saved file is normally a .jpg or .png file

when I import it to my latex document

the quality of the picture is almost zero...

everything can hardly be seen in the final pdf document

do you know a way, that I can improve the quality of such image?

@Johannes_B: No, I don't mind... go ahead, but I will read it tomorrow etc. ;-) Have a good night

@EnthusiasticStudent That is weird. In principle pdflatex just takes your picture "as is" without modifying and embeds it into the pdf. I guess you scaled the picture using \includegraphics[scale=...]{...}.

@ChristianHupfer thank you so much for the answer to my question on website

It was so kind of you

@EnthusiasticStudent Can you provide a MWE?

I just import the picture, without any scaling

@EnthusiasticStudent: well, basically Nicola Talbot answered it much better, but she is the author of the glossary package, so she knows about the features. You should accept her answer

but, the size of the picture is a little bigger than the page wdth

width

that is why it is a little downscaled

automatically

@EnthusiasticStudent The picture is downscaled "automatically" without you specifying a scale factor?

@ChristianHupfer sure. but you also did help me. I have to thank you for your kindness and time you spent for my question...

yes

sorry, I posted my text twice

@EnthusiasticStudent In this case mtmain.png shouldn't loose any quality. Try adjusting your PDF viewer to zoom "100%". Some viewers have issues with interpolation of embedded pixel graphics.

@HenriMenke I did... but the quality is not what I want... :(

@EnthusiasticStudent This also happens to me frequently, that my included pictures have such a high pixel density that they look like rubbish on the screen but just fine when printed.

do you know any way to snap higher quality picture from my desktop?

I think the quality of the picture itself is not that much high

@EnthusiasticStudent There is none. Your screen has a fixed resolution and when you grab a subframe of it you will even lower the resolution to that of the subframe.

aha...

@EnthusiasticStudent If the software window you're trying to screenshot is scalable, just make it full screen.

@HenriMenke this way, some smaller icons may become invisible when the picture is downscaled in the pdf file

@JosephWright Do you have a second to help me with a beamer issue?

@HenriMenke By the way... Thank you so much for your time. I think I should think about changing my text instead of thinking about the pictures...

@HenriMenke I can try

@JosephWright I'd like to change the fg color of the itemize symbol in normal text, but inside a block it should inherit from the block title.fg.

Hi

@barznjy Figure~2

@barznjy ~ is called "tie", because it will tie two things together. It's like a non-breaking space. In HTML this is equivalent to  .

@HenriMenke Now is good

@HenriMenke Thanks

@barznjy Fig<linebreak>ure 2 is fine IMHO (I mean, as a copy editor, I allow such things regularly)