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7:28 AM

@DavidCarlisle Shortcut question: Copy pasting a MathJax equation gives the macro ddt which is undefined according to the user. I don't recognize it from the top of my head. Do you have a suggestion?

@DavidCarlisle For some odd reason the page linked by the OP didn't load to finish and i saw all the definitions -> \def\ddt#1#2{\frac{d{#2}}{d{#1}}}

David Carlisle

8:35 AM

@Manuel this seems relevant to big brackets as well 9if you ignore the dashed part) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/202461/…

David Carlisle

9:36 AM

@egreg You missed a comment on the * form question:-)

You need a % on each of the lines of the definition that doesn't have a % and do not need a % on the line that has one. — David Carlisle 45 secs ago

egreg

@DavidCarlisle :)

Paulo Cereda

10:02 AM

@DavidCarlisle LOL

Paulo Cereda

10:19 AM

16

Q: Why don't developers make installation wizards on linux?

I'm sure it's not about laziness or anything like that but I fail to understand why developers of even mainly consumer facing apps don't make any sort of installation wizard where you go next-next-finish. The same apps usually have installers for Windows and Mac OS so why not Linux? Is there any...

linux

There is no lack. Windows is not Linux. Linux is not Windows. — black 24 hours ago

and

We don't want wizards. We are the wizards. — Michael Hampton 19 hours ago

:)

Manuel

10:44 AM

@DavidCarlisle I know, that's what told me that those exist, and that's why I wanted AndrewStacey :)

Claudio Fiandrino

This is fast!!

@percusse: I guess it's one of the best performance ever ;)

Joseph Wright

@ClaudioFiandrino Yes, but these ones really are off-topic (and here there is not even a TeX link in the question): I can understand the motivation

Claudio Fiandrino

@JosephWright: absolutely

Joseph Wright

@ClaudioFiandrino I get more annoyed if they are questions that have some reasonable chance of improvement

Claudio Fiandrino

Indeed! I was just pointing out that we're getting faster and faster :)

Joseph Wright

10:50 AM

@ClaudioFiandrino Understood

@ClaudioFiandrino Closing as a clear dupe is probably fine in this case: I don't think it's unhelpful to say 'there is a general method'

Claudio Fiandrino

I totally agree! In this case it is clear what to do in my opinion.

And interestingly, nobody asked for MWE ;)

Joseph Wright

@egreg Did you see the comment/edit on tex.stackexchange.com/questions/202504/…? The OP seems to be looking not for how to define starred commands but how to create the mechanism.

egreg

@JosephWright Reopened

Joseph Wright

@egreg :-)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Notlob!

Joseph Wright

11:00 AM

@PauloCereda Did you want to be a brain surgeon?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Lookout of the Yard!

1010011010

Hi.. ehh.. if I want to cite something that I only saw cited in another article, e.g. 1. Mittelbach, as cited in Carlisle et al., 2009, how do I go about doing that with e.g. natbib or whatever package

Surely there's a more elegant way than \citep[as cited in Carlisle et al.]{mittelbach09}

David Carlisle

@1010011010 add my wonderful opus to your references then use \cite{frank} as cited in \cite{david} ?

Paulo Cereda

11:30 AM

I'm quite pleased to see my papers written 100% in LaTeX (even diagrams!). :)

10

1010011010

11:43 AM

@DavidCarlisle I want this to appear in my references, not in the body text. :-)

e.g. the reference should be self-contained: [1] should refer to "[1] Mittelbach, as cited in Carlisle" in references

Paulo Cereda

@1010011010 You want the apud thing, I guess?

1010011010

@PauloCereda I don't know. Do I?

Paulo Cereda

@1010011010 Neither do I know. :) You want to cite something from a work of somebody else?

Christian Hupfer

Hello and good maen....

1010011010

@PauloCereda I don't have access to the article I saw cited elsewhere, but I do wish to use information from it, so the solution to that is using the information as explicitly cited in the article I do have, but I'd still have to mention that I didn't use the original article.

Christian Hupfer

11:56 AM

There was a question about a foo and starred version about two hours ago, but I don't find it.

Paulo Cereda

@1010011010 Ah, that's the apud thing: Used in scholarly works to cite a reference at second hand. :) The trend in here is to avoid those indirect citations like Dracula avoids the sunlight, but I'm not sure how things work in other places. But if I recall correctly, both entries should appear in the references, and not the "self-contained" as you proposed; the distinction happens at the text level, IMHO. :)

1010011010

@PauloCereda I've seen instances where Dracula in fact did see daylight.

@PauloCereda Furthermore, I don't think it's a good idea to contest the format my faculty solemnly adheres to.

Paulo Cereda

@1010011010 In that case, find a way to find the paper you need. :)

@1010011010 Twilight doesn't count, I'm afraid.

Christian Hupfer

Got it ;-)

1010011010

@PauloCereda Don't think I can get it in a week and read it besides everything else. :-(

Paulo Cereda

12:07 PM

@1010011010 :(

@ChristianHupfer woohoo

Christian Hupfer

12:24 PM

@PauloCereda: I am typing mails and mails, it's a mess here -- maintaining, organising an advanced training day for teachers is ... tedious ...

1010011010

@PauloCereda It's a christmas miracle. I have, in fact, just found it.

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Mark everything as spam. :)

@1010011010 woooo

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Spam, lovely spam? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Yep. :)

With vikings and stuff. :)

David Carlisle

@1010011010 well you can add \cite{carlisle} to your bib entry for Frank's paper then run latex bibtex latex bibtex and it'll all get generated,...

Christian Hupfer

12:39 PM

@PauloCereda: Well, I expect some kind of promotion for successful organization, so marking everything as spam will probably not promote my promotion ;-)

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle You mean \citep[as cited in \cite{david}]{frank}?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

David Carlisle

@1010011010 no I mean in the bib file put @Article{Mittelbach, author=frank, title=something citeded by \cite{carlisle}

Buni

Hello

Christian Hupfer

@Buni: Hello

Paulo Cereda

12:43 PM

bla.

Can't make it work. grrrrrr

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle Oh, yeah. Works. Thanks.

Joseph Wright

@Buni Hello

@Buni For you question, I tried something alone the lines

@echo off

cd /d "%~dp0"

pdflatex -draftmode -interaction=batchmode %1
if ERRORLEVEL 1 (
  echo ! Compilation failed
) else (
  makeindex -q -s %~n1.ist -t %~n1.glg -o %~n1.gls %~n1.glo
  makeindex -q -s %~n1.ist -t %~n1.nlg -o %~n1.not %~n1.ntn
  pdflatex -interaction=batchmode %1
  pdflatex -interaction=batchmode %1
)

where I've used a demo from the glossaries examples folder (with a few changes)

Buni

@JosephWright Hello and thank you very much!
I think I need a few moments to go through this, it took me almost 2 days to get the glossaries working

Joseph Wright

@Buni No problem

@Buni I've got quite a lot of batch file experience, so the above is based on accumulated 'fun'!

David Carlisle

12:59 PM

@JosephWright I thought you'd have written it in lua:-)

@1010011010 oh good (I'd never done that;-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle London bridge is falling down. :)

tohecz

1:24 PM

@PauloCereda Thanks, and good afternoon from Nancy! :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Bonjour Tom! :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda hi :)

David Carlisle

@tohecz the propellers worked then?

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle Soon after they started rotating, they seemed to have disappear :p

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz witchcraft!

egreg

1:27 PM

@tohecz So, what airport did you end at?

tohecz

@egreg Entzheim (disclaimer: it's in France), went to Strasborough for 2 hours and then by train here :)

egreg

@tohecz Nice tour!

tohecz

@egreg indeed. In the end, it wasn't a bad thing, the change. The only problem is that each of the two of us now has tickets worth €28 that can't be easily reimbursed. We'll have to try to claim them at Czech Airlines

David Carlisle

1:49 PM

@tohecz probably they fell off with all the vibration

Torbjørn T.

@JosephWright Did you get any response from Gael? I see he's deleted all his posts but one.

Joseph Wright

@TorbjørnT. I have had some communication about this

Torbjørn T.

@JosephWright OK. Was just wondering if he had followed up on that, seemed like an unfortunate 'situation' (for lack of a better word).

Joseph Wright

@TorbjørnT. I'm sure you understand I can't comment beyond saying I have had communication

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright MI5. :)

David Carlisle

2:02 PM

@PauloCereda I think Joseph is Spectre

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh! :)

@David: SPECTRE: Special Program for Compilation, TeX, Rewriting and EXPL3 :)

2

tohecz

/wink /whistle

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda have you seen the latex3 team cat?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle No. :(

David Carlisle

Paulo Cereda

2:07 PM

@DavidCarlisle OMG

Torbjørn T.

@JosephWright Of course, I didn't expect you to.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Ernst Stavro Blofeld. :)

Pjotr

2:37 PM

Is there a difference between $a,...,b$ and $a,\ldots,b$ ?

Claudio Fiandrino

@egreg: I remember having seen a post of yours about how to sanitize encoding in urls (or similar... long time ago ;) ), but I can't find it right now. Am I correct? If so, can you point me the link? Thanks :)

egreg

@ClaudioFiandrino Maybe Heiko is a better candidate for this.

Claudio Fiandrino

@egreg Probably yes, but what I was looking for is an external website you pointed out in that answer (it checks a string according to the selection of a given encoding standard).

egreg

@ClaudioFiandrino rishida.net/tools/conversion

@ClaudioFiandrino Which was suggested to us by @DavidCarlisle

Claudio Fiandrino

@egreg Exactly! That's indeed the website I was looking for. Hence, thanks to both @DavidCarlisle and you!!!

BTW: this time I'll press that bookmark button ;)

David Carlisle

3:05 PM

@Pjotr yes

@Pjotr ... will just put three . with no space, \ldots will use three dots with specified space between and around them, or in some font setups may use a specific ... character eg unicode fonts have U+2026 … which is different to ...

Khallil

Quick question! Can you create subsections of subsubsections?

If so, how can you do it?

Joseph Wright

@Khallil \paragraph

45

Q: How to add an extra level of sections with headings below \subsubsection

I have a document which requires many levels of sectioning. I have sections, subsections and subsubsections, but require one more level below that. I can't change the sections to be parts and move everything up a level, as this document will eventually be included in another document which has pa...

sectioning sections-paragraphs

Khallil

3:26 PM

Thank you, @Joseph!
It was more appropriate for me to use bullet points this time, but I'll keep that in mind for the future. ^_^

Also, how did you write out the code for \paragraph in that way, @Joseph?

Joseph Wright

@Khallil You mean here in chat: `\paragraph`

Khallil

\paragraph

Joseph Wright

@Khallil Bear with me: trying to remember how to show it 'raw'!

Khallil

Got it. Thanks again, @Joseph!

What do you mean by raw?

Joseph Wright

@Khallil Got it!

@Khallil Trying to show the input I used: `\paragraph`

Khallil

3:30 PM

Oh, cool!

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I found a duplicate for the roman page numbering question, so you won't get a tick

David Carlisle

4:20 PM

@egreg I'm so far ahead of you today, I don't care

egreg

@DavidCarlisle /insert famous pernacchio here

Paulo Cereda

!!/battle

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 260 vs. 620 David. So far, David is winning.

Holy cow!

egreg

@PauloCereda Unmerited bounties.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Ah.

egreg

@PauloCereda For a horrible hack involving redefining \endlongtable. Pfui.

Paulo Cereda

4:33 PM

@egreg LOL

egreg

@PauloCereda That's @OhMyGhost's prize. He also gave one to me for a much more sophisticated solution of a problem of his that required deep surgery on a package: adding % at the end of a line.

Will Hunting

Hi @PauloCereda quack!

Hey guys, I am having a hard time choosing between Kopka Daly or Gratzer to buy. Any comments to help me choose the book?

Paulo Cereda

@WillHunting Hi Jasper! Quaaaack! :)

@egreg Ah that's a merited bounty. :)

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting Is the second one amazon.com/Practical-LaTeX-George-Gr%C3%A4tzer/dp/331906424X/…?

Will Hunting

@JosephWright No, it is "More math into LaTeX".

Joseph Wright

4:42 PM

@WillHunting Was my other guess :-)

Will Hunting

@JosephWright I shortlisted to these two as the "best" for myself.

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting Kopka and Daly is a good beginners guide

Will Hunting

@JosephWright OK, I just hope it is sufficient for math, because Gratzer's focus is math, as the title shows.

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting Indeed: I think if that's the real focus and you are OK with the broader basics you might be better with the Gratzer one

Will Hunting

OK, I guess I will think again, lol.

Joseph Wright

4:46 PM

@WillHunting Like I say, I guess depends on what you want

Will Hunting

@JosephWright I know for example that Kopka treats things like picture environment and letter class not covered in Gratzer, so there are always pros and cons.

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting Kopka and Daly has two chapters on math mode, one basic (30 pages) one more advance and about the same length

@WillHunting I don't really know the Gratzer one so it's harder to comment (I keep meaning to buy some more for my bookcase, of course)

@WillHunting You've added another one: Practical LaTeX looks quite interesting

Will Hunting

@JosephWright I currently have no LaTeX books in my bookcase, lol.

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting Here: The TeXbook, LaTeX: A Document Preparation System, Guide to LaTeX (Kopka/Daly), The LaTeX Companion, LaTeX and Friends, LaTeX Beginners Guide, LaTeX for Complete Novices (on loan somewhere!), Using LaTeX to Write a PhD Thesis, The LaTeX Graphics Companion,

Oh, and TeX by Topic in my flat

Will Hunting

@JosephWright You should definitely get Gratzer then, to complete your collection.

Joseph Wright

4:52 PM

@WillHunting Indeed: now on my wish list, as are for example Herbert Voss's books

Will Hunting

I once threw away all the books I had to start all over, because I realised I had too many useless books. =(

Now I only have a few books on my shelf, but they are sufficient.

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting Oops

I hear rumours of another book from our own @StefanKottwiz, plus of course @egreg promises one on expl3 :-)

Will Hunting

I will go ahead and get a book because I am not sure when LaTeX 3 book will be out or when LaTeX 3 will be out indeed.

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting :-)

Will Hunting

@JosephWright But you said there won't be much change for the user right?

Joseph Wright

4:56 PM

@WillHunting Erm, fingers crossed

@WillHunting Probably more for the 'customising' than 'just using' side of things, but all up-in-the-air

Will Hunting

@JosephWright So would you advise me to not buy a LaTeX book now?

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting Oh no, I'd get one now and use it

Will Hunting

@JosephWright Thanks, your assurance is all I need, lol.

Joseph Wright

@WillHunting If and when we sort LaTeX3 there will be lots of opportunity to learn new stuff before it's widely used

David Carlisle

@egreg @PauloCereda what he meant to say was I'm due for 4*500 well earned points thanks to Garbage Collector (or whatever (s)he's called today:-)

@egreg sorry I really am bad at languages, I have forgotten again what that means.

egreg

5:34 PM

@DavidCarlisle /again, but longer

@PauloCereda Meanwhile I got my 14th gold tag badge. I can close as duplicate almost any question (except the tikz-pgf ones, but I'm working on it).

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Yay! :) Congrats!

@JosephWright And egreg's book too. :)

Werner

6:01 PM

@DavidCarlisle: Yes, didn't think about that (mono-spaced em-dash).

Hmmm... how would one do that?

Will Hunting

@JosephWright I have decided. I will get Kopka's book. Thanks.

David Carlisle

7:04 PM

@Werner traditionally -- (as two dashes:-) but you could do rule of 1 or 2 em of some suitable thickness and height I suppose

egreg

7:57 PM

@DavidCarlisle \makebox[\widthof{--}][s]{-\hss-\hss-}

David Carlisle

@egreg something like that, but I think I'd do -- :-)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I too. But we have used typewriters, so we don't count.

David Carlisle

@egreg well yes you have, being old

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Now you'll say you have never seen a typewriter in your long life.

David Carlisle

@egreg well at least if I'd used one more earlier I might be able to type now

Paulo Cereda

8:05 PM

@David: we have three typewriters in the house. :)

David Carlisle

8:34 PM

I seem to have given up on tex, last two answers Ive used grep sed and mkfifo:-)

egreg

9:47 PM

@DavidCarlisle Leave TeX to the real experts.

David Carlisle

@egreg do you know any?

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Heiko.

David Carlisle

@egreg good plan!

Khallil

Does anybody here know anything about the shadethm package and how to get rid of the numbering in the title?

I've got something that looks like this right now, but I want to get rid of the $\mathbf{1}$.

David Carlisle

@Khallil never heard of it sorry:-)

Khallil

9:54 PM

Ah, never mind!
Thanks for replying, @David. ^_^

Jun-Goo Kwak

@Khalil Your LaTeX output looks so nice... not like some of my documents. :3

Khallil

Haha thanks, @Jun!

I tried to use \text{d} for my derivatives in the shaded area, but it's not working. I'll try checking up on it later.

David Carlisle

@Khallil most theorem defining forms allow a * form for unnnumbered so if you have defined \begin{theorem} you also have \begin{theorem*} (amsthm certainly has that

Khallil

It doesn't seem to work, @David. T_T

David Carlisle

@Khallil had a quick look at texdoc shadethm it seems to use whatever newthorem you have, are you using the standard one or amsthm or theorem or ntheorem or ...

Khallil

10:04 PM

This is what I'm using, @David.
\usepackage{thmtools}
\usepackage{mdframed}
\usepackage{blindtext}
\definecolor{mybg}{rgb}{0.9,0.9,0.9}
\newmdtheoremenv [backgroundcolor=mybg, %
innertopmargin =8pt , %
splittopskip = \topskip, %
skipbelow= 6pt, %
skipabove=6pt, %
topline=true,bottomline=false,leftline=false,rightline=false,]{substitutions}{Substitution}

David Carlisle

@Khallil if not, if you want them all unnumbered you probably need \renewcommand\thesubstitutions{} after the declaration, unless thmtools has an unnumbered form, but got to go, bye

Khallil

Thanks for your help, @David!

I'll give it a shot.

It worked!

David Carlisle

10:31 PM

@Khallil happens, sometimes:-)

Khallil

I'm off! ^_^

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