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12:17 AM
@barbarabeeton you can't search for \@ as it is too short but if you know the answer you can search for \spacefactor ;-)
@ChristianHupfer English is such a regular language, you can put er on anything:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- actually, if you search for "backslash at" a number of interesting questions come up, including the one you cited. since i find the "often referenced questions" list useful, i am not averse to adding to it when a particularly good item turns up.
 
 
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6:51 AM
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@PauloCereda @UlrikeFischer @barbarabeeton @Johannes_B Part 2!
 
7:13 AM
@CarLaTeX Señor pengüino :-)
 
@Johannes_B :):):)
 
 
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8:55 AM
@CarLaTeX Very nice tour!
 
9:07 AM
@CarLaTeX Amazing!
 
@egreg @PauloCereda I had a lot of fun taking this photos :):):)
 
@CarLaTeX Yay, that's the idea. :)
@CarLaTeX: did anybody ask about the duck? :)
 
@PauloCereda No, nobody, but children who saw me were very envious!
 
@CarLaTeX awwwww <3
 
@CarLaTeX it probably made them feel hungry
 
9:22 AM
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
@DavidCarlisle Hahaha!
 
@CarLaTeX David is mean
 
@PauloCereda Such a cruel person!
 
9:36 AM
@PauloCereda I used the last photo as my profile image on FB (don't search for me with my real name because I have a nickname, I don't trust FB very much, I use it only to keep in touch with faraway friends)
 
@CarLaTeX I don't have social stuff, besides of an almost unused Twitter account. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm only on FB for that reason, I don't like social network in general...
 
@CarLaTeX oh
 
Jan
@DavidCarlisle: what was the concern about the ping?
 
@PauloCereda TeX.SE excluded, of course, if we can call it a social network!
 
9:46 AM
@Jan on luatex list? see my previous messages to the list, example of a png and jpg of same image (one made from the other by image magic) pdftex, xetex, firefox, chrome, all displayed the two images the same size, luatex made the jpg 20% larger
latex2e 2017/01/01 already in texlive this morning I see....
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Jan
@DavidCarlisle I am confused. I am not on the lualatex-list.
 
@Jan oh so what png were you asking about then (there was discussion about png on luatex list this morning, I thought you were referring to that)
 
Jan
On this weekend you asked, whom a ping at jan would reach. At least I was reached.
pIng, not PNG. :-)
 
@Jan !!! sorry misread ping for png:-)
 
Jan
@DavidCarlisle This was the ping I was talking about today.
@DavidCarlisle No Problem.
 
9:51 AM
@Jan at the time of that message there were two users who had been in chat recently enough to be in the list of icons on the right, one called Jan and the other called Jan but different avatars and user numbers, so I wondered what @Jan would do....
 
@CarLaTeX :)
 
Jan
@DavidCarlisle I am the one with the naughty Lego man, forging his sword on a special n****-anvil.
 
(1)	A sheet of paper is an ink-lined plane.
(2)	An inclined plane is a slope up.
(3)	A slow pup is a lazy dog.

QED: A sheet of paper is a lazy dog.
		-- Willard Espy, "An Almanac of Words at Play"

[paulo@cambridge ~] $
@barbarabeeton ^^ :)
 
Jan
@PauloCereda Big grin!
 
@Jan yes but actually I don't think there is any way to distinguish you with the @ syntax, I don't think you can be pinged by user number, only by name which is a bit odd as names are far from unique in the network.
 
9:55 AM
@PauloCereda I can ping myself in the future.
@DavidCarlisle ^^ :)
 
@DavidCarlisle True: idea is that most of the time there will be some obvious differentiation in an 'active' room
 
Jan
@DavidCarlisle Ah, I see. I was wondering, that my user name "Jan" was not already taken by someone else. I suspected the system to watch for unambiguous user names. I was mistaken there.
 
@DavidCarlisle User numbers for chat are different from those for sites, BTW (I see them why I use a mod ping)
 
@Jan you are not alone ^^ :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Weirdness on the Travis-CI set up: for some reason, it's trying and failing to build cslatex! That didn't used to happen ...
 
10:02 AM
@JosephWright used to not try or not fail?
 
@DavidCarlisle Not sure: I'll have to track it back
 
@JosephWright You have become a light blue square
 
@DavidCarlisle I've never included cslatex in the installation
@egreg Must be a Gravatar issue: all looks normal here
 
@JosephWright It's confusing: sometimes I see @DavidCarlisle, sometimes a purple square.
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Q: One user's chat icon is sometimes displaying as default gravatar for me

Byte CommanderIn Ask Ubuntu chat, there is one user (cl-netbox) of which the user icon is recently displaying wrongly most of the time: His icon on all sites id a blue square with the white letters cl. It shows up this way in the user list on the right and even in the popup bubble opening when I click his n...

 
@DavidCarlisle See TL list
 
Jan
10:32 AM
@DavidCarlisle I know. In the meantime, the meaning of Jan changed from an individuals name to a generic term :-)
 
10:59 AM
@JosephWright PL1 ....
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes: give it a few more days though!
 
@JosephWright agreed
 
11:38 AM
Got a Populist gold badge for an answer with more than twice the votes than the accepted one (currently 37 and 18). :) Guess whose is the accepted answer?
 
@egreg DPC: Donald P. Cnuth!
 
@PauloCereda Small joys of life. :)
 
@egreg :D
 
yo'
12:17 PM
@egreg take that you traded 15 rep for a golden badge -- not a bad deal!
 
@yo' brexit all over again
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle now I lose you...
 
@yo' wrong things being decided by popular vote
@egreg ^^
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle lol
 
@yo' glad you can laugh, I find both rather depressing
 
12:45 PM
Yay @PaulMcCartney @PaulGessler is here
 
@PauloCereda Bom Dia! (Hope Google Translate hasn't failed me...)
 
@PaulGessler bom dia! It's correct! :)
 
@PauloCereda are you on the bus this morning? I wonder if our schedules are still aligned.
 
@PaulGessler No, this week I will go to SP on Wednesday. :)
 
@PauloCereda ah ok, so you're writing your dissertation today then?
;-)
 
12:50 PM
well... sort of. :)
 
1:17 PM
@CarLaTeX -- absolutely delightful! the little fellow is certainly getting around!
@DavidCarlisle -- with your spelling, that's not surprising.
@PauloCereda -- charming ... i'm quite fond of willard espy's word-play.
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton ouch that hurts. How's Gordon?
 
@barbarabeeton wats rong wiv mie speling?
 
@yo' -- still incarcerated, and the docs are still puzzlng over his symptoms, which are apparently atypical. (but so is gordon, for that matter.) one thing for sure, since he's getting tired out by just a walk to the end of the corridor and back, he'll not be up for any strenuous hikes in the near future. but at least he's able to breathe again -- a useful facility.
@DavidCarlisle -- depends on what language you think it's supposed to be.
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton oh, well, breathing is useful!
@barbarabeeton is Drunken English a thing?
 
1:37 PM
@barbarabeeton He likes sightseeing very much!
 
@DavidCarlisle Did you manage to get contact to Philipp Gesang?
 
@UlrikeFischer yes, I'll forward you some mail
 
1:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. That's great. I looked a bit around and hat the impression that he hasn't been seen since end of october and was a bit worried. Regarding the testing of the luaotfload release: I'm using it since miktex got luatex 1.0 both with miktex and with TL16 and had no problems. And I didn't heard of problems from any of the miktex users who installed the prerelease.
 
@UlrikeFischer Hopefully the kernel changes (plus a few patches) will prod him
 
@yo' -- never heard of it, but of course i'm rather an old fogey about this sort of thing. if you google "drunken english" there are several likely prospects. and if you don't get the same google results that i do, i'll be happy to send the urls -- let me know.
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton it's not me. It's @DavidCarlisle who should know his language.
 
@yo' -- heehee!
 
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle: I'm just back and can now update the kernel and test what happens in the combination TL16 + luaotfload release version + new kernel + new fontspec. If something explodes I will report back ...
 
1:58 PM
@UlrikeFischer There are a couple of issues: one minor in tuenc.def, one in fontspec (\emph is not working)
 
@JosephWright I saw the question about \emph but what is the issue in tuenc.def?
 
@UlrikeFischer A few positions use OT1 not TU, e.g. \{, \}
 
yo'
How in the world can I make unicode-math do at least a bit of what I want?!
And is there any option for symbols? I mean: how do I use one font for greek+latin+num and another font for all the math symbols?!
(Sorry if I sound angry, I am just frustrated from beamer+lualatex)
 
2:15 PM
@yo' the model is mostly you use one font for everything but Will has range= options so you can declare different math fonts for different ranges
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle yeah, seemingly the range for symbols is missing. And if I set up TGTermesMath and then use Foo for specific ranges, I get all operators in TGTermesMath rather than Foo, no matter how hard I try with \setoperatorfont
 
@yo' there were some issues on github with range leaking, (may have been from @UlrikeFischer as I recall:-)
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle seems that if I set up \mathbfup to be non-bold and use \setoperatorfont\mathbfup I get what I want. I just lose bold math, which seemingly (hopefully) I won't miss.
 
@yo' leave an issue at github if you can, once fontspec settles down, attention will turn back to unicode-math and a list of issues would be good to have
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle I'll try to fix a MWE. The thing is, it's also a mixture with beamer font issues
(I still have actually zero idea of how beamer sets up fonts, I just do whatever works, and if someone says "use professionalfonts", I do so without asking why)
 
2:25 PM
@yo' That sounds very...professional.
 
yo'
@wilx no pun intended.
 
@yo' the general approach to math fonts in beamer is "you have no chance to get this right, add professionalfonts and hope for the best"
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle ok, so I' actually doing it right! :)
 
@yo' then of course if it doesn't work, blame @JosephWright
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle but anyway, my issue seems perpendicular to beamer
 
2:34 PM
@yo' blame @WillRobertson then, so long as you have someone to blame, that's what matters.
 
3:27 PM
@DavidCarlisle: I cannot work on my thesis if fontspec is broken.
 
 
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4:30 PM
@PauloCereda just go to your thesis defence and say it's all Will's fault.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@PauloCereda the dog ate my homework....
 
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle do you remember that I tested TU enc some time ago with tex4ht and it worked? So, it doesn't work now, when I updated TL :(
 
@michal.h21 Yes, I remember you saying
 
@michal.h21 what broke? (not much changed really, except pulled into base and changed in a few places....)
 
4:32 PM
@michal.h21 We will almost certainly need at least one patch release here so details are good
 
@JosephWright I will have to test it little bit more, but the issue is that it really selects the OT fonts. I think that we can fix it when we select different fontenc after the LaTeX kernel loads, I just have to find the right place where to put it . So I don't expect this to be really issue that you should care of.
 
@michal.h21 \RequirePackage[OT1]{fontenc} immediately?
 
@JosephWright yeah, probably. And load some code we created for fontspec to support basic Latin Unicode, as LaTeX does now
 
 
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6:18 PM
In beamer, is there something like \descriptionlabel for description environments?
 
cfr
6:42 PM
@JosephWright Do you know what the rules are for TUG Boat articles? I'm wondering if I can distribute an article on packages for chemistry in class, but I found I need to login to access it, so I'm not sure if this would be permissible or not. Also, is there anything new for chemistry I should include? I've suddenly discovered I'm supposed to be teaching chemists to use LaTeX tomorrow. The workshop will be beginners, but I wanted to give them some further discipline-specific pointers.
 
7:00 PM
@cfr anything older than a year should be accessible to all (I can get the article from tug.org/TUGboat/Contents/contents36-3.html without any login prompt if that's what you're after)
 
7:32 PM
@ChristianHupfer can we blame Joseph for that?
 
7:49 PM
@cfr Copyright is held by the author, so you can always get a copy from them
@cfr Oooh
@cfr 'Use ChemDraw for figures'
 
8:03 PM
@cfr -- and if the author says you are welcome to use it, but doesn't happen to have a copy of the final published article, if you ask the editor nicely, she can arrange to send you a copy of the pdf file.
 
@DavidCarlisle You're obsessed of blaming @JosephWright for something/anything ;-)
 
cfr
@JosephWright What's that? It is not on ctan?
@DaiBowen Thanks. I guess that means it is probably OK.
 
@cfr Commercial program I and most other professional chemists use for 'real work' diagrams
 
8:30 PM
@JosephWright this evening's reading matter translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://…
 
 
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10:02 PM
Has Rubber Duck Debugging made its way to this chatroom?
(oh. apparently it has.)
 
yo'
@EmilioPisanty multiple times I think...
 
cfr
10:20 PM
@JosephWright I'd better omit that, I guess, in case the school doesn't provide access to it. Thanks.
@barbarabeeton Thanks. However, there's no problem with me giving me a copy, I assume, since I have access credentials at the moment. :-)
@JosephWright Does ChemDraw output LaTeX code? Or what's the LaTeX connection?
 
@cfr latex just just includes generated images I think
 
@cfr -- okay then. good luck with your class -- teach them all "best practices".
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle Oh. Not my pigeon then.
@barbarabeeton It is basically the workshop I published last semester, but it will have to be a little more squeezed timewise. But I am assuming that most of the students will have at least some programming experience, which means they need much less help and we get through it faster. (programming in a very broad sense.)
 
cfr
10:48 PM
@JosephWright So chemfig et al. are just fore amateurs? Real chemists use ChemDraw?
 
@cfr For publication-quality figures you can't really do the job with chemfig or similar: it's subtle but to me pretty clear
@cfr I talked about some of the issues in my blog ages ago
 
cfr
@JosephWright Ah. I'm so used to the idea that what it looks like is not under my control, so appearance is of minimal importance .... (Of course, it needs to be legible etc., but what it ends up looking like is not in my hands.)
@JosephWright Submitting something with a table seems daring enough .... I forget that some people publish pictures!
 
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Speaking of dvilualatex, look at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/350116/…
 
11:05 PM
@egreg blurghhh
@JosephWright does needing to do this (so xepersian loads) sound familiar?
ExplSyntaxOn

\cs_new:Nn \__fontspec_pass_args:nnn
{
\IfNoValueTF {#2}
{ \__fontspec_post_arg:w {#1} {#3} }
{ #1 {#2} {#3} }
}
\NewDocumentCommand \__fontspec_post_arg:w { m m O{} }
{ #1 {#3} {#2} }
\ExplSyntaxOff
@egreg so it'll need \usepackage[OT1]{fontenc} as well if it updates to 2017
 
@DavidCarlisle Good news for Asymptote users.
 
@egreg lualatex -output-format=dvi does that read the lualatex.fmt not dvilualatex.fmt, iIshould check, if it reads the luatex format then no point in making dvilualatex do any different
 
yo'
11:32 PM
I lol'd
 

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