TeX, LaTeX and Friends

yo'

7:18 AM

@PauloCereda And the carneval is this week, right? :)

yo'

7:34 AM

We will, for the first year, have an "Ash Blessing" service this Wednesday, and I'm going to keep the lent fasting.

egreg

@yo' You're dangerously near to becoming a catholic. ;-)

yo'

@egreg :)

Not really. I would never survive without Luther's Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott :D

Also, it's nice to be able to go crazy at the organ :)

@PauloCereda btw, I think I'm buying the Z3 Compact :-)

just tell me. The price in "anonymous" shops: €290. The price in renowned shops: €370. What to do?

David Carlisle

8:02 AM

@yo' yeh it must be pancakes on Tuesday then!

Johannes_B

@StefanKottwitz Nice one :-)

42 packages to update. Wow.

Johannes_B

8:25 AM

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright @egreg @UlrikeFischer @barbarabeeton l2tabu got an update, so the english version should be updated as well. Are there any things you consider a taboo that should be added to l2tabu and its english translation?

yo'

8:42 AM

@DavidCarlisle it will, maybe :)

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B And what are the new contents in l2tabu? The author does not say anything what has been added :-(

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer No idea. Only thing i can see is the addition of scrlayer-scrpage.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I have a personal addition to l2tabu: Don't use KOMA :-P

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer l2tabu uses scrartcl ;-)

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: \ban l2tabu :D

Johannes_B

8:47 AM

@ChristianHupfer nooooo :-)

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooch! :-P

David Carlisle

9:01 AM

@Johannes_B I think it should add tabu :-) a faq along the lines of "l2tabu says tabu is taboo" would be good, don't you think?

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle ?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Uh-oh. :)

@yo' Yep. :) It started in Friday. :)

@yo' Cool!

yo'

@PauloCereda the only bad thing: No integrated Qi, which means an external case => losing waterproofness. Or: Plugging every night => port cover going loose => losing waterproofness

Paulo Cereda

@yo' What's Qi?

yo'

@PauloCereda wireless charging

Paulo Cereda

9:06 AM

@yo' Ah.

yo'

@PauloCereda Like this built in into a nightstand: ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/90291877

That's a big disappointment for me :(

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Well, for me, I charge my Z2 once 4-5 days.

Johannes_B

@yo' wireless charging? Really?

yo'

@Johannes_B yep. Really useful, you just put the phone on the night stand and when you regenerate, so does your phone :)

@PauloCereda the Z3 lasts 2 days :(

Johannes_B

@yo' I thought this would be science fiction. I have a cable to charge my phone. Every two weeks is perfectly fine.

yo'

9:11 AM

@Johannes_B that's what I have now: charging c. after a week (I don't know, I don't really need to care)

but I more and more miss the smart features, so ...

also, all android phones are wifi hotspots and I pay for LTE, so why don't have LTE in both my phone and my notebook for one price :)

Johannes_B

2

Q: What about ClassicThesis?

I am a student and I'm looking for a nice and enjoyable "layout" for writing my thesis (which is not so close: I'm forestalling). Now, I've read about ClassicThesis, and I gathered that this is a very good candidate. My questions for you are: Are there other styles which you would recommend, or C...

The question as stated isn't really good. Is it on-topic? Is it too broad? It could be duped to the dir-structure question.

yo'

@Johannes_B oh you gotta love the answers!

Johannes_B

@yo' :-)

@yo' Yes, i really do :-(

yo'

It's bad for its answers, if not for the question itself.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Personally I think it's opinion-based, but I don't feel it's so clear as to be 'mod action'

yo'

9:14 AM

I think I'm about to deliver some downvotes today, haven't done so in a while

btw, @egreg has to love the Q!

Romain Picot

@yo' If it's not on my answers/questions it's fine for me :P

@PauloCereda Coin Coin: :)

yo'

@RomainPicot no, not quite

Paulo Cereda

@RomainPicot quack quack!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda making me hungry

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Are there other stylesrecommended ? Yes (opinion-based); Help udnerstanding how to use (too broad, read introduction); organize stuff in folders (opinion based) and where to put them (introduction needed). An answer to that question as posted would be insanely ...

Paulo Cereda

9:19 AM

@DavidCarlisle Joseph has a duck as avatar too, and he technically nearer than me. :)

Romain Picot

@yo' But you can upvote them :P

@PauloCereda <3

Paulo Cereda

@RomainPicot <3

Romain Picot

@PauloCereda By the way, what about your thesis? :P

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda scraggy looking thing not worth cooking, if you ask me.

Paulo Cereda

@RomainPicot Writing it as we speak. :)

@DavidCarlisle ooh

yo'

9:23 AM

@Johannes_B I answered. This is probably the first case when I answered a question I VTC'd at the same time; please excuse this misbehaviour, it is of a pure despair.

Johannes_B

@yo' checking

yo'

@Johannes_B comments welcome of course.

Romain Picot

@PauloCereda good my favorite duck :)

yo'

@PauloCereda is it in classicthesis? <3

ah the magnetic port on Z3 does not have a cover! Gotta get it now :)

Johannes_B

\documentclass[%headinclude,footinclude
]{scrbook}
\usepackage{classicthesis}
%\usepackage{blindtext}
\usepackage{lipsum}
\begin{document}
%\blinddocument
\lipsum
\end{document}

@yo' ^^^^

yo'

9:29 AM

@Johannes_B no need to test it, I know this "feature" :)

Johannes_B

@yo' Such a mess.

yo'

@Johannes_B well, falls under "is a ~~class~~ package"

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B why isn't classicthesis a class anyway

yo'

@DavidCarlisle that's one of the points:

2

A: What about ClassicThesis?

I have never understood the love for classicthesis. The design is ugly, both graphically and internally. It allows for certain (very limited and specific) modifications by default, any other changes are really painful. Just to mention a couple of the flaws: Exactly two fonts are preset (why?!), ...

David Carlisle

@yo' oh yes that's what you said in your answer, I hadn't looked on site just saw the example code above:-)

Johannes_B

9:33 AM

@DavidCarlisle "People interested only in the nice style and not the whole bundle can now use the style stand-alone via the file classicthesis.sty. This works now also with "plain" LaTeX.

Paulo Cereda

@yo' nope. :P

yo'

@PauloCereda you'll fail then :P

Joseph Wright

9:48 AM

@DavidCarlisle Interestingly, this seems to be XeTeX-specific though I can't work out exactly how to get LuaTeX to read the various \Umath... things without all of luaotfload (the bar placement is the same in both cases but neither has \Umathradicalrule with the 'simple hack' loader)

@DavidCarlisle Probably for the moment I won't worry about that :-) The idea isn't to get 'everything right', it's to make sure we can at least switch into math mode without an error. There are lots of parameters that really need to be set: one for the team meeting!

yo'

10:07 AM

\textbf{Definition 1} [\cite{book:Zexiang}]: A

@egreg ^^

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes agreed, also I notice quite different handling between luatex and xetex anyway (eg double accents \hat{\hat{f}} work in one and not the other (without the ams double accent hacks)

yo'

The six initial poses are given by
\begin{center}
	\begin{tabular}{ccc}
		$p_1=(0,0,0)$, & $p_2=(5,3,0)$,\\
		$p_3=(-1,6,\pi/6)$, &
		$p_4=(6,-5,-\pi/2)$, \\
		$p_5=(0,-5,\pi/3)$, & $p_3=(-5,-4,-\pi/2)$.
	\end{tabular}
\end{center}
and the desired formation

@egreg ^^

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I just saw that question with the paid template. What the heck?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B don't mention the ~~war~~ that question ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer By the way, if somebody implements the CD of a university or a company, i think paying for it is perfectly fine.

Christian Hupfer

10:18 AM

@Johannes_B Perhaps, but that's another topic, isn't it?

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Yes.

@ChristianHupfer I voted to close as unclear.

egreg

@PauloCereda I have the fix: after loading newfloat add the line \makeatletter\g@addto@macro\newfloat@list{\@elt{algorithm}}\makeatother so each \chapter command will write \addvspace{10\p@} also in the .loa file.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Hasn't it been closed and reopened already?

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Really?

egreg

@yo' Very nice examples!

Paulo Cereda

10:22 AM

@egreg Oh my! You are a genius! <3

@egreg: thank you very, very, very much! <3

yo'

@egreg yeah, there are more in the paper. Basically, the author knows two math environments: \[...\] and array. Everything is built of them: matrices, cases, eqnarray, multiline equations, ...

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B No, wait. The O.P. posted the same rubbish question twice. The first one was closed etc., I believe

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Indeed, reopened by @Werner.

egreg

@PauloCereda Let me say the format is not what I'd use for a document of mine. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I know. :) But I have no choice, sadly. ABNT! /shakes fist

Christian Hupfer

10:26 AM

@Johannes_B VTC too

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: you know that Lucida seems to greatly improve the output? I am quite impressed and not so depressed of using ABNT stuff. :)

Vrouvrou

Hello, how to do to give a name to this: $$\begin{cases} -\Delta_{\Phi}u+\phi(|u|)u= f(u)~\text{in}~\mathbb{R}^N,\\ u>0~\text{in}~ \mathbb{R}^N\\u\in W^{1,\Phi}(\mathbb{R}^N)\end{cases}$$

i want to name it $(P_{\infty})$

Christian Hupfer

@Vrouvrou I have a name: don't_use_$$ ;-)

Vrouvrou

@ChristianHupfer i don't understand

Christian Hupfer

@Vrouvrou Don't use $$ for display math, use \[....\] instead. $$ is deprecated syntax

Vrouvrou

10:30 AM

[\begin{cases} -\Delta_{\Phi}u+\phi(|u|)u= f(u)~\text{in}~\mathbb{R}^N,\\ u>0~\text{in}~ \mathbb{R}^N\\u\in W^{1,\Phi}(\mathbb{R}^N)\end{cases}] like this ?

how to give the name

?

Christian Hupfer

@Vrouvrou No, [.... ] ... and the name depends on the topic, I would say

Johannes_B

@Vrouvrou Please use markup also in chat.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright did you mean to include a link to a doodle poll?

Vrouvrou

@Johannes_B what ?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I'd never say that!

Johannes_B

10:33 AM

@Vrouvrou Compare \pi \times \sqrt{\i} with \pi \times \sqrt{\i}

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle You are a genius too!

Vrouvrou

@ChristianHupfer \documentclass[11pt,dvips,twoside,letterpaper]{article}
\usepackage[usenames]{color}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{fancyhdr}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{geometry}

\RequirePackage{amsfonts,amssymb,amsmath,amscd,amsthm}
\RequirePackage{txfonts}
\RequirePackage{graphicx}
\RequirePackage{xcolor}

\def\figurename{Figure}
\makeatletter
\renewcommand{\fnum@figure}[1]{\figurename~\thefigure.}
\makeatother

\def\tablename{Table}
\makeatletter
\renewcommand{\fnum@table}[1]{\tablename~\thetable.}

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I'd never say that either!

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle <3

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou why is your preamble like that!!!

Johannes_B

10:36 AM

@DavidCarlisle :-D

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Should have gone to the list but I'll resend

egreg

@PauloCereda A different fix would be to redefine the algorithm float using newfloat features (but of course you lose the rules typical of the algorithm package)

\let\algorithm\relax
\let\endalgorithm\relax
\expandafter\let\csname algorithm*\endcsname\relax
\expandafter\let\csname endalgorithm*\endcsname\relax
\DeclareFloatingEnvironment[
  listname={Lista de Algoritmos},
  fileext=loa,
  name=Algoritmo,
  within=none,
  chapterlistsgaps=on,
]{algorithm}
\makeatletter
\renewcommand\listofalgorithms{\newfloat@listof{algorithm}}
\makeatother

@PauloCereda The code should go after \usepackage{newfloat} (and after \usepackage{algorithm}, of course) and replace the other fixes. Take your pick.

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou you load almost all the packages twice so it is twice as long as it need be, and force dvips options everywhere so the document can't be used with pdflatex? and load geometry package but then set the page dimensions by hand.

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle There are some specials in there :-)

Vrouvrou

@DavidCarlisle i use pdflatex

@DavidCarlisle How i cn chage it ?

David Carlisle

10:41 AM

@Vrouvrou well why does your document explicitly use options saying you don't!!!!! Don't you see these warnings every time?:

Package epstopdf Warning: Drivers other than `pdftex.def' are not supported.

)
*geometry* detected driver: dvips
[1
Non-PDF special ignored!
Non-PDF special ignored!
Non-PDF special ignored!
Non-PDF special ignored!
Non-PDF special ignored!{/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/upd
map/pdftex.map}
Non-PDF special ignored!
Non-PDF special ignored!]

Vrouvrou

Yes

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou as I haven't seen any of your document I'd suggest just starting \documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{article}\begin{document} and then just add lines to the preamble if you need them.

Vrouvrou

But i don't know what i must added

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou They are saying to fix your preamble before even thinking of looking at any typeset output from the docuemnt.

@Vrouvrou better to add nothing than add multiple lines of code that breaks your document.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Thank you.<3

Johannes_B

10:51 AM

@egreg One for you latex-community.org/forum/…

Christian Hupfer

Is the CTAN package database accessible (readonly) from outside with MySQL?

David Carlisle

@Vrouvrou in case you don't want to follow my (excellent!!!) advice of starting from an empty preamble, at a minimum delete the dvips option and the \special commands, so that your document has a chance of working correctly with pdftex.

@ChristianHupfer it's not that kind of database as far as I know.

Vrouvrou

i try to do some thing

@DavidCarlisle

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle That's bad/sad. I think I should ask Petra etc. directly, perhaps there's a way? Or ask a question? (But that would be more or less off-topic, I fear)

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer but no the data isn't readable partly as it has email addresses and other data that is not public.

@ChristianHupfer certainly it used to be a collection of xml files, I'm not sure quite how they store it these days

Christian Hupfer

10:58 AM

@DavidCarlisle Well, I just wanted to have a quick overview who wrote which package/class (and perhaps, the package version etc.)

@DavidCarlisle Hm, xml ... too modern for me :-)

egreg

@Johannes_B The warning is cured by adding \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}, of course. For the error, it's a syntax error for skak which I know nothing about.

@Johannes_B In the file there's a hilarious \tt \bf

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer gtl.hig.no/index.php/Resources

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer you can do some queries as described here

ctan.org/help/xml/package?lang=en

Johannes_B

@egreg Me too. Gotta look into this later. Now: Fischstäbchen

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer you can get JSON if XML is too old a format for you.

Christian Hupfer

11:06 AM

@Johannes_B @DavidCarlisle: Thanks to you both ! I'll give them a try

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Better not try what i have linked.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I can have a look on it anyway ;-)

Johannes_B

11:35 AM

\def\@chapter[#1]#2{\ifnum \c@secnumdepth >\m@ne
  \c@tmpfig=\c@figure           % hack for figure and table numbering
  \c@tmptab=\c@table
  \refstepcounter{chapter}%
  \c@figure=\c@tmpfig
  \c@table=\c@tmptab
  \ifnum\c@firstchapter = 1     % hack for page numbering
  \pagenumbering{arabic}
  \c@page=1 \c@firstchapter=0
  \fi
  \typeout{\@chapapp\space\thechapter.}%
  \phantomsection
  \addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}%
  {\protect\numberline{\thechapter}#1}%
  \else
  \phantomsection
  \addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{#1}%

@egreg If you are interested ^^^^^

Johannes_B

11:52 AM

@egreg I like the paragraph spacing in that skak.tex :-)

Kaveh1000

1:28 PM

FYI, I put a note about the "suspension" of presidency on CTT:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.text.tex/_Ir3CaL_xQs

4

Paulo Cereda

Math friends, I know it's a matter of me defining the symbol I want, but by chance do you have any suggestions on a nice symbol to indicate concatenation?

Romain Picot

1:40 PM

@PauloCereda "+" as in Python?

Paulo Cereda

@RomainPicot No, I wanted another symbol, just to not mix types. :)

yo'

@PauloCereda \circ

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ooh I like it! Thanks!

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: \oplus like for vector spaces? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer too much complicated. :)

yo'

1:41 PM

@PauloCereda you're welcome :)

Romain Picot

@PauloCereda Oh :(

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda vector spaces? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@RomainPicot Since I am using untyped lambda calculus, I would like to use a different operator, that's all. :)

yo'

@Paulo of course, the right answer is that concatenation is the multiplication in the monoid of words, so you don't need any symbol at all :-)

Paulo Cereda

@Romain: coin coin!

egreg

1:42 PM

@PauloCereda Sometimes \mathbin{\&} is used

Paulo Cereda

@yo' o.O

Romain Picot

@PauloCereda Quack ! :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh!

@yo' I wonder if I say that during a keynote will make me look smart, but the plan might backfire if someone contests that... :)

yo'

@egreg which sometimes means logical and. The message is: Make it clear (a list of symbols is deemed helpful)

egreg

@yo' Of course, \newcommand{\concat}{whatever} is the way to go.

yo'

1:44 PM

@PauloCereda well, you don't need that argument to justify yourself, do you? :)

@egreg yeah, for things that are not a fixed notation, certainly.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda be modern trendy Brazilian use .. like Lua.

Johannes_B

Brad Efron's 13 rules for giving a bad talk (via @stat110, @kwbroman) http://statweb.stanford.edu/~ckirby/brad/other/2013ThirteenRules.pdf https://t.co/pyca6jxF2S

Tweeted by StatsbyLopez on January 30, 2016 at 1:19 AM

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ooh

@DavidCarlisle <3

JP-Ellis

2:20 PM

Regarding trivial questions which have already been asked and answered (many times) before, I'll obviously flag it as a duplicate, but should I also post the one-line answer? Or should that be in the comments?

David Carlisle

@JP-Ellis comment or just close if the answer there obviously answers the question without "translation"

JP-Ellis

@DavidCarlisle Cool thanks, I'll just give a quick comment and flag then :) I don't (yet) have the privilege to close questions...

egreg

@Johannes_B Well, Chebyshev is spelled wrong. ;-)

Johannes_B

@egreg :-)

yo'

@egreg oh no, not again :) Do you mean Tchebycheff, right? :)

egreg

2:31 PM

@yo' There are three f's at the end. :P

yo'

@egreg Tchebychef$^{+}$

Paulo Cereda

@yo' LOL

Who was this bloke?

I am eating donuts. :)

yo'

@PauloCereda THC donuts?

David Carlisle

@yo' Чебышёв ?

BMWurm

@PauloCereda Some Russian dude with a cool beard :D

Pafnuty Chebyshev

Pafnuty Lvovich Chebyshev (Russian: Пафну́тий Льво́вич Чебышёв; IPA: [pɐfˈnutʲɪj ˈlʲvovʲɪtɕ tɕɪbɨˈʂof]) (May 16 [O.S. May 4] 1821 – December 8 [O.S. November 26] 1894) was a Russian mathematician. His name can be alternatively transliterated as Chebychev, Chebysheff, Chebyshov; or Tchebychev, Tchebycheff (French transcriptions); or Tschebyschev, Tschebyschef, Tschebyscheff (German transcriptions). == Biography == One of nine children, Chebyshev was born in the central Russian village of Akatovo near Borovsk, to Agrafena Ivanova Pozniakova and Lev Pavlovich Chebyshev. His father had fought as an...

Paulo Cereda

2:44 PM

@yo' the collider thingy? :)

@BMWurm ooh I like this description.

yo'

@PauloCereda :) you seem to be upside down, messing T and L :)

Oh an upside-down duck that can read and play cricket! <3

Paulo Cereda

@yo' oooh sorry

@yo' <3

yo'

going to see my GSM provider and negotiate for discounts. See you later!

Paulo Cereda

I was reading one of Don't interviews yesterday (a nice book about Don's suspicions on P=NP). Somewhere in the book, he said some conference was not a success because there weren't enough Germans. :)

@yo' See ya, Tom!

Christian Hupfer

3:04 PM

@Johannes_B: Work for you: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/291813/…

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Not sure i should click on that link.

@ChristianHupfer You know i have a high blood pressure, do you? Bombarding me with a template question does not add to my health score.

@ChristianHupfer Commented.

Christian Hupfer

3:35 PM

@Johannes_B I do know but not before. Please state this explicitly in your profile!

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer :-)

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: You commented ... well, a bunch of comments ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Freaking templates

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I've got a recommendation: Don't use them :-P

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer But @Ulrike nicely put into a comment, what i was also thinking.

Christian Hupfer

3:44 PM

@Johannes_B Yes, apparently it's a lazy bloke that tries to get the merits ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I think that putting name and hometown huge and boldface and the title Large and in small caps looks strange.

@ChristianHupfer Work for you: latex-community.org/forum/…

You are the only expert i know.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Is it on counters? Then count on me ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer No :-p

@ChristianHupfer The famous Le Grand Orange Book.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B And by which madness did you come to the conclusion I can answer this Grand Orange ~~madness~~ Book?

@Johannes_B: File `' not found. \tableofcontents??? Wtf??

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I guess a crumbled linebreak. If \chapterimage is empty you basically get \includegraphics{}.

Christian Hupfer

4:01 PM

@Johannes_B \chapterimage is defining \thechapterimage, which is empty then, of course, if \chapterimage is never used. Now \thechapterimage is used a lot of times as being the argument ot \includegraphics -- rubbish definition

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Not my task to take care of this. not my task. not my task. I have writing access to the dev repositories, but not my task. not my task.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I'll try to fix the structure.tex locally (at least for this issue)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Very good.

Christian Hupfer

4:28 PM

@Johannes_B done

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Nice, thank you. How about an addition to the official template?

I think a switch was needed badly.

Of course, with attribution if you want.

Bin erst mal weg.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I'll think about it

yo'

5:37 PM

GSM providers are so ... (looking for a non-vulgar word)

Joseph Wright

@yo' I guess you mean mobile phone operators (most people are on LTE nowadays)

yo'

@JosephWright yeah, that's what I mean.

after 30 minutes of discussion it turned out that their CZK 499 (about EUR 19) is actually CZK 749 (about EUR 28)

so I'll likely end with paying EUR 38 for the cell phone. That's just unbelievable. In France, you get more for EUR 20 :-(

Joseph Wright

6:02 PM

@yo' That's the phone itself or the monthly cost?

yo'

@JosephWright the monthly cost. There's no "phone discounts with tariffs" here, so I'll first have to buy the phone for the retail price.

Joseph Wright

@yo' Ah, right, so what's I'd think of as 'SIM-only' (I've got a SIM-only as I don't really like the entire cross-subsidy thing)

yo'

@JosephWright SIM-only would be the word, yeah

now I gotta go, the scout business meeting starts in 10 minutes, and I'm still sipping my coffee in a salon de thé

Joseph Wright

@yo' I pay about 7 €/month :-) 100 mins, 300 texts, 100 Mb of data (no smart phone)

yo'

@JosephWright yeah, that's the difference, I pay now €6 for some good calls and SMS deal, and €18 for 20GB data. And the MF idiots are not willing to join it to a single number. So I'll either have to pay more, or forget about a neat smartphone :-(

ok, see you later!

Paulo Cereda

6:07 PM

@JosephWright Do you guys gave prepaid stuff for cellphones?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Technically mine is: I'm not on a credit contract, I have a pay-as-you-go (prepaid) phone but they also do a 'bundle' deal

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I see.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I pay £5 a month for the bits and pieces I mentioned, and have to have pre-paid credit for anything else

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Ah.

yo'

@PauloCereda well, I pay €6 a month, get some free minutes and then I pay after the month the extras (mostly international calls)

Paulo Cereda

6:11 PM

@yo' Oh I see.

Joseph Wright

@yo', @PauloCereda 20 Gb/month would be £20 (€26): giffgaff.com/goodybags (Or rather it's 'always on')

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Plans look cheap.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Yes, all SIM-only so you have to pay for the phone up-front

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle: do you have these fancy dancy cool 4G plans too? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda not that there is any 4G coverage in these parts. But as of last week I do have a fibre optic cable to the house!

@PauloCereda phone I pay about £10 pound a month which includes more data and minutes than I use, can't remember how much really:-)

Paulo Cereda

6:22 PM

@DavidCarlisle ooooh

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda The fibre connects my house to a hole at the end of the village. internet connection still uses the coper wire strung between poles, so not noticed any great difference so far.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Oh. :)

@David: does M have a Steam account?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda no

Paulo Cereda

Speaking of which, I have no friends in Steam. /pokes @JosephWright

@DavidCarlisle oh. :(

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda don't know what it is, one of his cousins said something about it when we saw them at christmas I think.

Paulo Cereda

6:31 PM

@DavidCarlisle It's an online gameplay framework where you can buy games and get bankrupt. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda @yo' I have a pre-paid thingy. But my last EUR 15 worth code at the end of september with only a few cents left. I just checked, still Eur 2.89 on the card.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda sounds like not having an account is good. he did get a minecraft mod maker program thing the other day, kind of interesting really it's a graphical thing that lets you design new blocks and assign actions and things to them but then you can get it to show you the generated java code for the mod then it packages it up as a jar and it works.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle How nice!

@egreg: do you have a Steam account? :)

egreg

@PauloCereda No, but I'm waiting for my glass of wine.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh even better. :)

egreg

6:37 PM

@PauloCereda Just opened a new bottle!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Valpolicella?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda minecraft is scarier now as it seems most mods get distributed as ms self installing exe files when it was a matter of dropping a .jar in a .minecraft/mod directory it seemed relatively safe but downloading a exe from some random add-laden addfly wiki page and being told to run the file seems... dangerous.

egreg

@PauloCereda Berlucchi (sparkling)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Really? It's been a while since I played. Even then, I have it on my Mac, so I believe it's mostly Java. I once heard a good thing to have is something called FTB (Feed The Beast).

@egreg Wow, this wine is insanely pricey around here!

egreg

@PauloCereda They treat us very well.

David Carlisle

6:42 PM

@PauloCereda well the company got bought by you-know-who and seems that things moved to "simplified" one click install, I haven't played in ages (not got it on this machine) but M does ask if it's OK to install things and last couple he's found I had really no confidence in the files at all. It's still all java really so all the exe is probably doing is unpacking itself into the right place, but it seems a lot to expect people to trust that's really what it's going to do:(

Paulo Cereda

@egreg "Sorry for being late, here's our best reserve while we play an Aria in the background, have fun!

@DavidCarlisle Indeed.

egreg

@PauloCereda Just seven minutes late; nothing to worry about. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Bah. :)

@DavidCarlisle: Question! How does an Englishman say France? I mean, the Fran part. Is is similar to fen in fence or more like run in grunt?

Coin coin fait le canard!

egreg

@PauloCereda “The nugatory land the other side of the Channel”

Paulo Cereda

6:57 PM

@egreg LOL I was expecting something along these lines. :D

egreg

7:10 PM

@PauloCereda I spared @DavidCarlisle these silly grammatical questions.

David Carlisle

7:22 PM

@PauloCereda like "an" not "en"

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I sent a request ...

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

@Johannes_B Thanks for the comments (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/291156/…).

@Johannes_B It's ok if people think, that the question in too broad. I still think that there are general recommendations that can be helpful, like use amsmath instead of the default LaTeX environments. Or use geometry to change the page layout instead of the pure LaTeX codes.

@Johannes_B I am not online so often - so please dob't consider it unpolite if it takes a while to reply.

yo'

9:52 PM

@DavidCarlisle so like "French" but with a different end? Ah sorry, no, not that. I see now

Alenanno

10:11 PM

Who reopened this question? It's clearly a duplicate and I can't even vote again. >_>

yo'

10:27 PM

@Alenanno seems that whoever it was, ~~Thor's~~ @egreg's hammer has spoken now.

@Alenanno tex.stackexchange.com/posts/291843/revisions

egreg

@yo' I have a tikz-pgf gold badge, after all! Which @DavidCarlisle still lacks.

yo'

@egreg :D

David Carlisle

@egreg it as well deserved as your other badges.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Sometimes you even speak the truth. Because my badges are well deserved.

David Carlisle

@egreg the edit somewhat spoiled the comment above

yo'

10:33 PM

An ADHD child is counting sheep: One sheep. Two sheep. Three hens. Goat. Cow. Horse. Old MacDonald had a farm heeeeeeeeey Macarena.

@Paulo ^^

Paulo Cereda

10:49 PM

@yo' LOL

@JosephWright <3

@DavidCarlisle ooh :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda more or less just as it is written

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Got it. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda english is simple like that, não é complicado, como Português.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle wow

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda some people master % at ends of lines, I master many languages.

Paulo Cereda

11:04 PM

@DavidCarlisle :)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I'm able to translate Kant into Russian

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Paulo Cereda

@egreg upvoted. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda You surely recognize Kant's immortal words

As any dedicated reader can clearly see, the Ideal of
practical reason is a representation of, as far as I know, the things
in themselves; as I have shown elsewhere, the phenomena should only be
used as a canon for our understanding. The paralogisms of practical
reason are what first give rise to the architectonic of practical
reason. As will easily be shown in the next section, reason would
thereby be made to contradict, in view of these considerations, the
Ideal of practical reason, yet the manifold depends on the phenomena.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I always remember the philosophers song from Monty Python. :)

egreg

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David Carlisle

11:13 PM

@PauloCereda vv

Иммануил Кант был настоящим pissant
Кто был очень редко стабильны.
Хайдеггер, Хайдеггер был пьяный нищий
Кто бы мог подумать вас под столом.
Дэвид Юм мог из-потреблять
Шопенгауэр и Гегель,
И Витгенштейн был пивной свиной
Кто же, как пьяный, как Шлегель.

Там нет ничего Ницше не мог научить Я. '
"Бут повышение запястье.
Сократ, сам, был надолго обозленный ...

Джон Стюарт Милль, его собственной воле,
На половине пинта шанди особенно больным.
Платон, мол, мог придерживаться его подальше;
Половина ящик виски каждый день.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: I once saw something very curious that almost make copy your Kant code logic into a new package: there was this comedian in the late 80's from a group named Os trapalhões; he used to end words with the is suffix. He was very funny. I once saw a lispum generator online based on his discourse. :)

@DavidCarlisle uh-oh!

@egreg: mussumipsum.com

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer "this is in fact (much, much, much) easier with tcolorbox" easier than the OP's code but more complicated than mine:-)

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle Of course it is ;-)

@DavidCarlisle But your text has the wrong alignment ;-)

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer why would you right align a name?

Christian Hupfer

11:29 PM

@DavidCarlisle I personally wouldn't but I don't smoke as well, but people do smoke, because it's their decision ;-)

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer ~~but I couldn't tell any alignment from the question~~ oh it says he wanted centred (lucky to get any text out at all) But I left a comment on how to change the alignment:-)

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: Yes, you're right, i missed the center alignment as you have ;-)

egreg

11:57 PM

@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure we're understanding each other: the OP needs something like blockarray because of the headers above the columns. Highlighting the column succeeds, but the problem is that the delimiters are too short.

David Carlisle

@egreg as i say that wasn't clear from the question, if he asks for that i'd just put the headers back with a hidden row or tikz or some such. If you want to edit blkarray to modify the delimiter scaling you are welcome to it:-)

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