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12:39 AM
@egreg Hi!
I was quite absent from the chat these days, but I'll be more present from now on. :)
 
 
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2:04 AM
Anyone around right now?
 
@AlanMunn
 
Hi, do you have any experience using ShareLaTeX?
 
uhm i did use mostly writelatex but i'm assuming there's little difference between the two
 
@izabera Well this is a problem I'm having with sharing in particular, rather than LaTeX, so it is probably quite specific unfortunately. Do you have a ShareLaTeX account? If so, perhaps you could help me test the problem I'm having.
 
i have a free one, is it ok?
 
2:13 AM
Yes, that should be fine.
 
ok how can i help you?
 
Here's a link to a public project of mine. I'd like it to be read only and not publically editable but when I try to share it that way it seems not to work. But maybe it's just the message and not the actual status. sharelatex.com/project/541ac71edb749944790b9e78
Can you see if you can edit it?
 
nope, i can't even type there
i may be in a read-only mode
 
Perfect! Thanks then. That's what I wanted to be true (I will share this with my students, but I don't want them to edit it). So it must be a bug in the message ShareLaTeX gives you when you share the document.
 
    In the answer to this question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5148/…  it shows this:
    \begingroup
    \everymath{\scriptstyle}
    \scriptsize
    %your equation
    \endgroup

Is the second \scriptsize above (one just before %your equation)  will have its effect also end after \endgroup as well?  When I used the above in scientific word, it ended up making all the rest of the document scriptsize as well!
 
2:22 AM
@Nasser it shouldn't, that's the point of \endgroup. can you post a MWE showing your problem?
 
The above solution is not working in SW, it is confusing it. It works in pdflatex. I need a way to reduce math size, just for one equation in the whole document.
@izabera it works ok in pdflatex, but SW gets confused, and it ended up adding {\scriptsize....} to all the rest of the document, starting from the above. I think it is a bug in SW
 
ah, sorry, it's pretty late at night here and i can't read anymore
@Nasser btw i'm pretty sure that \everymath was used to ensure that all math equations are typeset in \scriptsize
\begin{equation}
big
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
\scriptsize small
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
big
\end{equation}
 
@izabera Thanks again for your help. Good night.
 
np @AlanMunn good night to you too
 
 
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7:44 AM
Good maen....
 
@ChristianHupfer Hello
 
@JosephWright: Hello
@JosephWright: What is an anonymous user in the sense of TeX.SX? Why is such a user allowed to edit posts?
 
@ChristianHupfer I think it must be something to do with un-registered users (I'm not certain)
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes, I think something to do with unregistered users
 
7:49 AM
@JosephWright: I always thought only registered users having some reputation are allowed to edit posts, but I fear, this was a misunderstanding
 
@ChristianHupfer Rep is needed to edit without a review
 
@JosephWright: Yes, after 2000 rep, but I did not know that even unregistered users may edit. Thanks for clearification
@JosephWright: Another technical question: Is a user, whose post has been flagged for low quality (and it was deleted then) notified about the reasons, apart from the usual comments below the post?
 
@ChristianHupfer No, I don't think so other than any comments left for them
 
@JosephWright: Sometimes I feel that the whole SX bunch misses a message system, a real inbox, not only a comment notification, but I am not the first one having this request most likely ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer It's a deliberate design decision not to have general private messaging
@ChristianHupfer Reasoning: the aim of the network is to build useful 'community' (reusable) content, and private messages are not part of that
@ChristianHupfer Mods can send private messages to allow some way to try to handle issues without public 'naming and shaming'
 
8:01 AM
@JosephWright: Then give me mod rights ;-)
@JosephWright: No, I see the disadvantages of a private message system too -- too much traffic and abuse, for example
 
Hey. Does anyone here have experience using flowfram?
 
@1010011010: Perhaps Nicola Talbot, but that was just an educated guess - I am unsure ;-)
 
Is anyone here familiar with LaTeXIt? If so, could you have a glance at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/201439/…
 
@ChristianHupfer She doesn't frequent the chat room... :-(
 
@1010011010: Well, it seems, she was here yesterday... You missed her just by one day
 
8:12 AM
@TorbjørnT. I was about to mark that one as useful for the transcript. :-D
 
@1010011010 Sorry, I thought another window was active.
 
@TorbjørnT.: Norwegian? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes.
 
What about OopsItypedinthewrongwindowian?
 
@TorbjørnT.: My only line in Norwegian: Jeg heter Christian ;-)
@TorbjørnT.: You just earned: 'Oops-Wrong-Chat-Window-Badge' ... it can be multiple earned ;-)
@1010011010: I have not used that package so far, but it seems to come out of hell, regarding the effort and functionality ;-)
 
8:32 AM
@ChristianHupfer just start discussing cricket, then @Nicola usually shows up
 
Percusse's question on meta is going to be the one with most comments, I suppose ;-)
@DavidCarlisle: I won't open the box of pandora by starting a discussion on that cricket thingy :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Thanks. I've been digging through that for almost twenty-four hours now with results that leave too much to be desired for what is acceptable in terms of visual appeal. Even simple three column, predefined layouts, give outright horrible results.
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[margin=2cm]{geometry}
\usepackage{flowfram}
\usepackage{kantlipsum}

\onecolumninarea[1,2]{0.6\textwidth}{\textheight}{0.4\textwidth}{0pt}
\twocolumninarea[>2]{0.6\textwidth}{\textheight}{0.4\textwidth}{0pt}
\begin{document}
\kant\kant

\end{document}
And to think that this was the one-to-one example from the brochure. :-(
 
@1010011010: As I said: I never used the package so far -- I don't know anything about it's configuration.
 
@1010011010 have a look at Frank's talk from tug 2013 (slides and recording are available here) he discusses multicolumn layout in tex and mentions flowfam and multicol and other attempts latex-project.org/papers
4
 
9:06 AM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. This is actually really useful.
 
9:46 AM
Well.. short version is.. it's not possible.
 
@1010011010: No 3-column and flowfram - approach? :-(
 
@ChristianHupfer Flowfram is just extremely flawed. Consider \Ncolumninarea[1]{3}{\textwidth}{\textheight}{0pt}{0pt} vs. the regular {multicols}{3} environment. Linebreaking, hyphenation and so on and so forth are all changed for the worse, with column overflow being a rule rather than an exception. Even if you fix that (manually), there's the next issue: flowframes are defined on a page-by-page basis, so what happens to flowing frames when they occupy two seperate pages?
The question has no single answer, since the algorithm just gets messed up completely. My earlier code example shows exactly that, but even more simple cases exist.
 
@1010011010: Well, getting the rest of some boxed content to the next page is always a tricky stuff
 
Unfortunately, the multicols algorithm is simply of superior quality. Look at this screenshot, made using flowfram:
 
@1010011010 the pronlem there seem to be with linebreaking so multicol/flowfam not relevant
 
9:55 AM
@DavidCarlisle This screenshot from the usage of the multicols environment contradicts your statement:
 
@1010011010 flowfam isn't really addressing the same problems as multicol (and it's a problem tex doesn't really address at all) having multiple flows in tex is hard and all solutions are only partial (eg the various environments for parallel paragraph settings)
@1010011010 Not really:-)
@1010011010 multicol and flowfam do (differnt) vast amounts of work chopping up vertical lists and arranging them as specified, typically in either case you are typesetting to a different (small) measure so they may have slightly different settings for tolerance (\sloppy etc) or multicol may have just got lucky, but in either case neither package does essentially anything about linebreaking
@1010011010 that said I know multicol quite well but I've not llooked at flowfam internals (but essentially tex's linebreaker has no hooks so there is not much a package can do about it other than set \emergencystreth and \tolerance etc)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, e.g. \tolerance=5000 does the trick for flowfram multicolumn layouts. Still disappointing that the output on the transition from page 1 to 2 is soooooo underwhelming.
 
10:31 AM
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Ideal answer : Sorry I had to leave in a hurry
 
@ChristianHupfer From the user guide: "The flowfram package tries to make TeX do something it wasn't originally designed to do. It modifies the output routine and may not always perform as desired." The problem is that it's hellishly difficult modifying TeX's output routine, which, I suspect, is why xor isn't finished.
 
@NicolaTalbot I was defending your honour best could:-) People with complex layouts should use Word:-)
 
@percusse LOL
 
10:55 AM
@DavidCarlisle And comic sans? :-D
 
@NicolaTalbot: Well, I did not say anything against flowfram I am impressed by that package/examples, but I have not used so far ;-)
 
Should I summon my duck army?
 
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[demo]{graphicx} % Demo for MWE
\usepackage[margin=2cm]{geometry}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\usepackage{flowfram}
\usepackage{lipsum}
\usepackage{kantlipsum}
\usepackage{microtype}

\definecolor{infocolor}{RGB}{216,237,237}

\newflowframe{\dimexpr\textwidth/3}{\textheight}{0pt}{0pt}[leftcolumn]
\newflowframe[1]{\dimexpr\textwidth/3}{.2\textheight}{\dimexpr\textwidth/3+\columnsep}{0pt}[shortcentercolumn]
\newflowframe[1]{\dimexpr\textwidth/3}{.2\textheight}{\dimexpr2\textwidth/3+2\columnsep}{0pt}[shortrightcolumn]
 
@PauloCereda: Do you need the mighty duck army again?
 
@ChristianHupfer This does something. The multicols aren't balanced as well as they could but it's a start. :-P
In case you're interested....
 
11:00 AM
@ChristianHupfer Maybe. :)
 
@1010011010: I am interested, but I am on another track currently ;-)
 
@1010011010 flowfam doesn't balance at all does it?
 
@PauloCereda: All those innocent ducks, in a fight against word?
 
@DavidCarlisle Nope, but when I have more time I can balance them manually using LaTeX page dimensions.
 
@ChristianHupfer they need @percusse's underpants
 
11:04 AM
@PauloCereda Did you see yesterday's match?
 
@DavidCarlisle: Well, who doesn't need them anyway? ;-)
 
@egreg troublesome users on latex-bugs again :-(
 
@DavidCarlisle That's babel, though. ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) So where's all this cricket talk I was promised?
 
@NicolaTalbot xor actually works, but Frank needs to do some tidying up :-)
 
11:09 AM
@NicolaTalbot see you arrived in chat even at the prospect of cricket talk
@JosephWright sometimes:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@ChristianHupfer :-) What I'd really like to be able to do is automatically adjust the line width at a page break for the cases where a paragraph needs to span frames of different widths, but that's not possible with the way TeX's output routine works.
@DavidCarlisle The frames work essentially like the standard columns in two-column mode.
 
@NicolaTalbot don't get Frank started on "reconsider paragraphs" he's been pushing for that for almost 30 years:-)
@NicolaTalbot yep
 
@NicolaTalbot: Yes, that would be nice indeed if that would work (someday, in the future ;-) )
 
 
@egreg too far from East Anglia
 
11:17 AM
@egreg Yay, at last some cricket! :-) With added nostalgia value. I used to live around there.
 
 
@DavidCarlisle But it brings back happy memories :-)
My dad used to play against some of those clubs.
 
@NicolaTalbot seems the subject's moved back to football:(
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh no! We'll have to get some of @Paulo's duck army to form a cricket team.
 
11:21 AM
@egreg you're a long way behind today
 
@1010011010 Out of curiosity, why are you using \colorbox rather than setting the background colour with the backcolor option?
 
@NicolaTalbot I'm using colorbox elsewhere in my document. I figured it would be a good idea to remain as consistent as possible, e.g. if I decided to use a hook that I would want to affect all coloured boxes.
 
@1010011010 Okay.
 
@NicolaTalbot You're correct that without that reason, there's little reason to use colorbox over your built-in backcolor option.
 
@1010011010 colorbox adds fboxsep padding which you probably want to zero, that's presumably why you have the approximation .95\linewidth
 
11:43 AM
There seems to be more to it:

\showthe\dimexpr\linewidth-3\fboxsep 153.7361pt.

and

\showthe\dimexpr.95\linewidth > 153.7361pt.
Three times fboxsep....
 
@1010011010 yes so .95 is wrong, you just want to subtract 2fboxsep (or better not subtract anything and set colorbox with no padding
@1010011010 and this one is overfull isn't it? `\colorbox{infocolor}{%
\parbox[b][.775\textheight][t]{\textwidth}{%`
 
@DavidCarlisle I think the warnings are getting suppressed by some kind of mechanism in flowfram, since my console looks clean.
Actually I was suppressing them myself... oops
 
@1010011010 I didn't try running it, just looking at the code, since it's specified as being overfull you don't need to be warned that it is:-)
 
Visually it's already heading in the right direction, after specifying all the heights in terms of \textwidth, \textheight, \columnsep and \fboxsep...
 
11:59 AM
@DavidCarlisle Superheros also need some time off w/o underpants
 
cis
@PauloCereda: Maybe `arara` has a problem with the sign '|'?

I want to execute

`% arara: console: { command: 'cmd /c dir /s/p *.tex | find ".tex" > Files.csv' }`

with the rule `console.yaml` from @cgnieder - see: http://texwelt.de/wissen/fragen/5097/wie-kann-ich-mit-arara-einen-kommandozeilenbefehl-ausfuhren/5109
===> FIND: "Parameterformat wrong"
The version % arara: console: { command: 'cmd /c dir /b *.tex >Files.csv' } works well....
 
@cis arara doesn't spawn a shell
 
cis
@izabera: Why not? With the rule 'console.yaml' (maybe I do not understand the word 'spawn')
 
| is passed as an argument to your command
 
cis
@izabera Mmmh, and the quotation marks are ignored :(
 
12:21 PM
@DavidCarlisle Do you happen to know where I can study some examples for the usage of keys? Maybe I can define a set of macros that will allow building these boxes almost automatically... I just need to be able to allow the use of an argument such as [TR] for TopRight, [BL] for BottomLeft, etc.
 
@DavidCarlisle :P :P :P
@DavidCarlisle Go at the 1:45 mark
 
@ChristianHupfer I have killer ducks. :)
 
@PauloCereda: I am scared :D
 
@egreg Sadly, I missed it. :( I need to organize my schedule to include those games. :)
Back to the mass. :) I came home to get me an umbrella, it's raining a lot!
 
@PauloCereda: Ways back in the late 90s, we were doing Age Of Empires II campaigns, renaming the turkeys to Combat turkeys and the sheep to Elite Combat sheep, but unfortunately, their usage was limited ;-)
 
12:35 PM
@1010011010 I here the documentation of the keyval package is particularly brilliant and clear with its key examples:-)
@egreg I had difficulty translating the Italian at that point
 
@1010011010: Yes, keyval package has one of the largest documentation files -- it's full 5 (five!!!!!) pages long ;-)
 
@egeeg since you have no chance of catching up I voted for your shipout answer
 
@ChristianHupfer The length of this documentation is a bit too overwhelming for me right now. Time for lunch.
 
@1010011010: Enjoy you meal ;-)
 
1:04 PM
@tohecz Oh, that sounds good. I guess you had a lot of fun.
@tohecz By the way, did i miss the big party here in chat?
 
@DavidCarlisle I understand. Italian might be quite difficult. /insert pernacchio here
 
@egreg clearly the English are not rude often enough to require a dedicated word just for that
 
Debugging TeX errors (well, self-written code actually) is feeling like being a member on TeX.StuckExchange
 
1:28 PM
@Johannes_B dunno
btw, my flight from Prague to Paris was cancelled.
 
@tohecz You mentioned a presentation.
 
@Johannes_B ah this, there wasn't quite a big party
 
@tohecz Stuck in Prague? Could be worse ;-)
 
@Johannes_B not really, just re-booking, getting new train tickets etc.
 
@tohecz Why not?
 
1:29 PM
@Johannes_B I dunno
 
@tohecz Do you now have thos extra few letters in front of your name?
 
(sorry, I leave tomorrow for 3 months, I spent 2 hours re-booking flights and trains and the new flight will be tomorrow at 7am, so I'll be getting up at 4am. Today, I have to prepare for the stay and go to my parents' place for my bro's Bday and stuff, so I'm not quite in a chatty mood.) No new title now, it's only the exams, the defense will be probably autumn 2015
 
@tohecz Have fun, see you in a bit. ;-)
 
@Johannes_B see you, and sorry for impoliteness
 
@tohecz Don't worry, gotta run myself. :-p
 
1:48 PM
@ChristianHupfer aoE, I didn't play it. :)
 
1:58 PM
@TorbjørnT. I think I answered, the problem is that he uses Align rather than Text.
 
2:11 PM
@Manuel I noticed those options in a screenshot on the website, so that was my thought as well, but as I've never used it I hesitated with answering.
 
2:23 PM
Friends: by chance, does TikZ have some key to draw a node on top on another?
Something like bring a node to front.
 
@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle has a silver badge, so he'll be happy to solve your problem.
 
@egreg ooh that's true. :)
 
@egreg print the top node later
 
I actually had an idea, it might work. :)
 
@egreg see expert advice from me, as usual
 
2:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle Invaluable!
 
@DavidCarlisle That's one solution, but since I'm using fit, I cannot use an id not defined before. :)
 
Hello
 
@PauloCereda I understand that as well as I understood @egreg's video
@WilliamYi hi
 
@PauloCereda I suggest looking at sections 3.13 and 109
 
@egreg manual reference, cheating as usual.
 
2:33 PM
@egreg Danke. :)
@DavidCarlisle: ManUtd is winning, you should be happy. :)
 
@PauloCereda it's not listed here yet, strange. bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/live-scores
 
@PauloCereda There's the backgrounds library to draw stuff on the background. You can also declare layers somehow.
 
@TorbjørnT. Thank you, looking at it. :)
 
2:48 PM
Hi @Paulo, have you heard the news?
 
@tohecz Hi Tom! What happened?
 
@PauloCereda my plane is cancelled grace à la grève
 
@tohecz oh no! Sorry to hear. :(
 
@PauloCereda well, I've got another one, but to Strasbourg instead of Paris. Additional train cost: €28 not that bad
but I've always been scared of these small ships, I've never flew one
 
@percusse after commenting I noticed you said to come here rather than comment, I'm not sure that works, it just fragments any discussion.
 
2:51 PM
 
@tohecz that a dash something-or-other?
 
@DavidCarlisle ATR 42-500
 
@tohecz I;ve been in a few of these and survived:-) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Dash_8
 
@DavidCarlisle looks rather similar. Have they ever weighted you on boarding to balance the the cabin mass?
 
cis
@PauloCereda: This is insolveable, yes? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/17780740#17780740
 
2:57 PM
@tohecz I don't think so (but they do get strict about baggage allowance)
 
@DavidCarlisle that's what scares me a bit, I'll have a lot of stuff with me
however, it's all not my fault, so I'll just scream at them in agony that this whole business is screwed if they aren't able to deliver you to your destination, and they'll hopefully let me in ;)
 
@tohecz and then spend a day sitting on the runway when the plane is too heavy to lift off the ground:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle because of ~3 kilos of all my luggage overweight? especially since my schoolmate travels only for couple days so he won't be quite overweight? (yes, we'll drop the luggage off together)
 
@tohecz something about camels, backs and straw.....
 
@tohecz I once flied on that kind of airplane: its very badly chosen name was “The sound of silence”. It was the most noisy plane I've ever been on.
 
3:01 PM
@cis Considering the current scheme, yes. :( I'm testing a new way of creating complex commands and it might be possible to achieve this via shell invocation, but the current scheme will make bash -c 'foo bar' fail. :(
@cis: I can test it with nightingale; if it works, I can assure the upcoming version of arara will work as well. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle about what?
 
@PauloCereda M-x shell to the rescue!
 
(that's the benefit of having a working code sandbox)
@DavidCarlisle boo. :)
 
@egreg well, they claim that the new ones with 6-blade propellers
@DavidCarlisle ah I see
 
cis
3:04 PM
@PauloCereda: Yes, a "console-rule" is most important ;)
 
@tohecz sorry, a bit cruel to make oblique references to english proverbs in an international forum:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle no worries, it's a way to learn something new in your language, as long as you don't mind us molesting it :p
 
@tohecz after the Americans have finished with it there's not much left to molest
 
@DavidCarlisle sad but true
shoes!
 
@DavidCarlisle Very true but I don't know what else to do :) The actual question has I-don't-know-how-many comments :)
 
3:12 PM
@percusse yes but that's OK I think.
 
@DavidCarlisle It's frowned upon by the main network. Maybe makes the database calls heavier or something... who knows why. I would assume to be OK too.
Maybe I should create a chat room for this
 
@percusse on the main site the system tries to curtail comments and get you to make an answer or shut up, but I thought it was OK in meta
 
@DavidCarlisle Our hammers know better I guess @JosephWright @StefanKottwitz
 
@percusse what's the actual question? :-)
 
@StefanKottwitz Whether comment trains such as these meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/4622/… are OK or not on Meta questions?
Should we expect a networkwide mod showing up cleaning all of them?
Because they don't care about the internal affairs and do whatever they want.
 
3:26 PM
@percusse I assume they are ok because I often get an automatically generated flag because of too long comment threads on the main site, but never one on the meta site
 
@StefanKottwitz OK, great. Thanks.
 
it would be better for all though to produce a summary and remove the respective part, at some time
who would read all this later
want to keep the information, make it visible
 
@StefanKottwitz Joseph already did that in his answer.
We can't get enough of it :)
 
Hi. Is XCharter thinner and smaller than the vanilla or am I going crazy? Looking at Siarhei Khire...'s thesis and my own document, I definitely got something thinner and smaller... hm. :/
 
Self-contained minimal examples always help me a lot when trying to get the hang of a new package. TeXample doesn't offer anything on the keyval package though. :-(
 
3:43 PM
@1010011010 Try something with more documentation like l3keys or pgfkeys
Though I guess it's just expl3 these days
 
3 hours ago, by David Carlisle
@1010011010 I here the documentation of the keyval package is particularly brilliant and clear with its key examples:-)
seems I can't spell hear though:-(
 
@DavidCarlisle Wow. 2014/05/08?
I didn't know that the team is still actively supporting it.
:P
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm just a bit confused how the output is linked to the input. I'm not a LaTeX god like you, you see. :-(
 
@henry Maybe you have a different encoding or different engine.
 
I foolishly adopted some suggestions in a 10 year old bug report from
Stephan Lehmke and broke biblatex and lxkeyval and lots of other things:-)
 
3:49 PM
@percusse Hm, metadata on the PDF file says it was pdflatex 1.40.10. I have 1.40.15 now.
@percusse khirevich.com/latex/font -> we use the same encoding as well
 
@DavidCarlisle I really don't know how you keep your cool when so many people depend on something you possibly wrote in a weekend or for fun or the worst that you know it's broken and you forgot and found out later that people built on top of it. .
 
@1010011010 it is just \def in disguise \includegraphics[height=3cm]{file} just does \def\something@height{3cm} then calls the macro it would have done anyway, which can, if it wants, look at the value of \something@height so the default behaviour is that nothing happens.
@percusse after a while you get used to it:-)
@percusse I really thought afterpage was a joke, It's shocking how often it gets used in answers here:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) Is it one of those Let's add David Carlisle as author type of packaging?
 
@percusse oh no, I wrote it, but I wasn't trying to do anything, I was just reading about output routines in the texbook and musing what would happen if you \aftergroup out of the output routine, where do you end up, I just made some little test cases and some joke documentation, I didn't think anyone would use it
 
@DavidCarlisle I actually am using it.
:)
 
3:56 PM
@percusse see what I mean? :-) ^^^
 
It does not work that well. Damn you.
Just kidding. :) :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Hahahah
 
Random bit: sold my copy of the companion 2 years ago.
... do you want me to leaven now? :P
 
@DavidCarlisle You should keep your sandbox offline next time :)
 
@percusse I don't think UK was on the internet: Michel Goossens put it in that flippin book:-)
bye..
 
4:00 PM
@DavidCarlisle Or you have an evil agenda and all our machines will be formatted on 2012.
Bye
 
4:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle So, David accidentally created a package. :P
 
4:32 PM
\newenvironment{<env-name>}{}{} produces something along the lines of \begingroup\<env-name>#1#2\end<env-name>\endgroup???? Can I define all of that manually?
 
@1010011010 Mostly, but not really just that.
 
@egreg: can I ask for enlightment? :)
 
@PauloCereda You have three minutes.
 
@egreg OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
 
@egreg I'm trying to define an environment, where I wish to measure the contents of the environment, to then typeset them into a box with extra specifications... Should I use a macro instead then? An environment feels intuitive...
 
4:43 PM
@PauloCereda The bells will ring for mass in three minutes.
@1010011010 Look for the environ package
@PauloCereda I'll be back in an hour. But then I'll have dinner. See you later.
 
@egreg: so I have a couple of songs typeset with songs. Sometimes, I have to transpose the notes from a specific song (I simply use \transpose{<integer>} inside the song environment). I was wondering if I could create a command like \transposesong{<comma separated integer list>}{<song environment>} and use an inline mapping to replicate the song to each transpose value. I managed to come up with a nice idea, but I'm failing to pass the whole environment via macros. :)
@egreg Oopsie. :) Have a nice mass and a nice dinner. :) See ya!
 
5:22 PM
@1010011010 you can use lrbox envrionment if you want to box the contents of an environment
 
5:46 PM
@PauloCereda sounds like ManU should have stuck to cricket
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed. :P
 
6:05 PM
hi everybody, could someone please upvote the OP here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/202249/… so that he can join to the chat?
 
@dcmst done
 
@DavidCarlisle thank you very much
 
@dcmst I always vote for tikz questions:-) (ask @PauloCereda)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm sorry for such a request, I had no better idea :)
 
@dcmst at least it wasn't about vim:-)
 
6:14 PM
@DavidCarlisle I was very lucky to find two people here when I requested the vote, now it would have been too late :D
 
7:04 PM
@PauloCereda \NewEnviron{transposesong}[1]{\@for\next:=#1\do{\begin{song}\transpose{\next}\B‌​ODY\end{song}}} with the usual \makeatletter and \makeatother?
 
7:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle It's a little more complex. I want to create an environment, which holds a content, say, \x, and some keys. I want to measure \x and save the contents of the environment into a box, to then measure the box and adjust the page layout according to where the \end{<env>} is issued, to then make the box fancier by applying some options to the frame (be it a minipage, tcolorbox, etc.) that holds the box. lrbox is still going to work for me? :-)
 
7:45 PM
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A: Why would clipping a wire cause a bomb to explode?

placeholderI suspect that there is an ISO standard that bomb makers follow. As evidence of this is the fact that in about 50% of the movies, there is a statement like "remember to clip the red wire and NOT the blue" or some similar statement. SO I suspect that embedded in the ISO document is a standard tha...

 
@1010011010 it depends. If you save a box you can't re-set it (you can of course put borders etc) but fonts and line breaking width etc are fixed. If you save it as a macro then you can reset it as often as you like but you have to be careful things don't get re-executed, eg counters incremented more then once
 
@percusse 've seen that before, it's a nice one :)
 
@tohecz Always check if there is any DIN equivalent before applying it :)
 
guess who: (no trailing %)
 
@DavidCarlisle I would say Dan.
:P
 
7:53 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yiannis is a friend.
 
@egreg he probably left the % out to encourage you to answer
 
@egreg Wow, that easy (for you, of course!)? :) Grazie, I was thinking along the lines of using expl3. :)
 
@PauloCereda You should use expl3. Why? Because you should use expl3.
 
@PauloCereda Well, with expl3 you have a fancier loop that trims off spaces at either ends of the items in the csv list. That's the exercise for the evening.
 
@egreg :)
 
8:00 PM
@DavidCarlisle And added several bad % too!
 
@egreg Question: if I want to pass a whole block, I need to postpone the expansion, is that right?
 
@PauloCereda I don't get it.
 
@egreg Sorry, let me show an example, I think it's easier. :)
\transposesong{1,4,6}{\beginsong{foo}

\begin{verse}
blabla
\end{verse}

\endsong}
 
@PauloCereda I used a mock syntax for a hypothetical song environment. I don't really know the correct one.
 
@egreg I got that. :) My original code probably had problems. :) Now that I finished a paper, I'll work on the code. :)
 
8:29 PM
Good maen
 
@ChristianHupfer Hi!
 
@PauloCereda: Ah, the great Ducktator ;-)
 
@egreg: Thank you very much, the code worked like a charm! :) I just need to investigate why the song body is not aligned. :)
 
@ChristianHupfer hello from Prague, tomorrow this time hopefully from Nancy :)
 
@tohecz: Oh hello ... sorry, I forgot to ask how the exam was?
@tohecz: I hope, you mean Nancy, the city, not Nancy ... ;-)
 
8:37 PM
@ChristianHupfer comme ci comme ça
@ChristianHupfer sure
 
@tohecz: Dr. Tohecz then? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer not yet, it was the exams, not the defense
 
tohecz: Some `Not-Yet-Dr. Tohecz' ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer we use to call ourselves P or Ph.
 
@tohecz: Must be the same as in Germany: "Dr. cand" ....
 
8:44 PM
@ChristianHupfer sorry I can't really extensively chat now, I haven't packed up all my stuff yet and I get up in 5.5 hours
 
@tohecz: No problem at all. Have a nice trip!
Good night, it's late here!
 
9:09 PM
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Q: Documentation Generator for LaTeX

Rafael WörnerIs there Documentation Generator for LaTeX like Javadoc for Java or Doxygen for C++? Especially when defining macros or environments for LaTeX-files throughout a big project it would be useful for the team to have a nice documentation at best auto generated from commentary in the LaTeX-file.

We must have a .dtx question I assume
 
@JosephWright And luadoc for our .lua code. :)
 
@PauloCereda Sorry, don't follow: still use .dtx for that :-)
 
@JosephWright Ouch. :)
 
9:22 PM
@JosephWright looked through the ones tagged dtx and none really answers "what is doc/dtx format" just specific questions on using it
 
@DavidCarlisle No, I couldn't find one either
@DavidCarlisle I have lots of source material: texdev.net/index.php?s=dtx
 
@JosephWright you'll have to write an answer then:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Not tonight
 
9:50 PM
am getting up in 4.5 hours to catch the flight. Good night!
 
@tohecz Have a nice trip!
 
@egreg thanks. Well, I'll see a new airport because of the strike, at least something
 
@tohecz If you have time, pay a short visit to Nancy, it has a very beautiful town center.
 
@egreg I'll spend 5 days there
 
@tohecz Well, much more time than I had there. ;-)
 
9:53 PM
anyways, I really gotta go. bye!
@egreg it's a very dense conference
bye
 
10:17 PM
@tohecz Good night, Tom! <3
@egreg: everything works like a charm, thank you. :) Now I have a problem songs-wise, it might be worth a question. :)
 
@PauloCereda Happy to hear it. Did you find the way for asking a question? I've not yet been able to.
 
@egreg I heard there's a button somewhere. :) Maybe @DavidCarlisle knows about it. :)
 
@PauloCereda Not if there's some manual to read.
 
@egreg :)
 
10:33 PM
What's the best way to call an user to a question?
 
10:43 PM
@Manuel you can't: if @ doesn't prompt with their name, you can't ping them (unless ypu are a site mod)
@PauloCereda I learnt everything I know about this site from egreg
 
10:56 PM
@DavidCarlisle So through here is the only way?
 
@Manuel well same applies here, if someone has been here recently you can @ ping them but if not, you can't
@Manuel what you can do is @ ping them in a comment on any question theyve asked
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh… okey. My question undelimited delimiters with tikz seems to have another answer inside Loop Space's (Andrew Stacey, if I'm not mistaken) spath3 package.
 
@Manuel ah well if its andrew you're trying to contact you can probably google for his name and get an email address:-)
 

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