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2:28 AM
I am having an error with bibtex. bibtex while reading the top level .aux file (created by compiling main.tex) says that it cannot find any \citation commands. That's because the commands are in the second level .aux files (e.g. chapter1.aux, chapter2.aux). How to make bibtex see those \citations commands? As a result of this I don't have any references in the final .pdf.
 
 
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6:42 AM
Some of you may be interested in a new development on the "LaTeX maths in the browser" front:
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Q: A contender for MathJax?

RaphaelKhan Academy released KaTeX, a library that does essentially the same job as MathJax does today -- only faster. Part of that is probably because (the hard?) part of the layout can be preprocessed on the server. This may also enable mathematics typesetting in apps more easily. As of now, it does ...

Maybe they have use for one or the other interested LaTeX expert?
 
7:22 AM
leaving home and heading for the exam. Cross your fingers please!
 
@tohecz good luck, have fun:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle you have a very sarcastic idea of fun, obviously :D
but thanks, anyways!
 
@tohecz If in doubt add an extra \expandafter that usually works
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@DavidCarlisle hey, this is not fair! :D
well, I go, bye!
 
7:26 AM
hello David
Is the 50 lines similar to your guess about thousands lines of code?
 
@wipet I susepct @DavidCarlisle, like me, had in mind a more conceptually simple but token-expensive approach
@Raphael More off-topic questions for us :-)
@Raphael More seriously, thanks for the heads-up
 
@JosephWright I don't understand. Can you more specify this mind?
Is here (in 50-line solution) something what is doesn't cover the original question?
 
@wipet I can only speak for myself, but my approach would be to define a series of collector macros for each letter of each word that might appear. Thus \foo@collect@first@f, \foo@collect@first@fi, \foo@collect@first@fir and so on for a branch which might end up finding #1 followed by first (each a delimited macro including a \futurelet to find the next token and branch as appropriate).
This needs one auxiliary per char in the possible delimiter plus associated support to handle spaces and so on, so gets very expensive very quickly but is easy to follow conceptually.
Of course, for lots of possibilities I'd define a generator system, but it would still be expensive
@wipet Not a criticism of your approach: I was just commenting on how I'd tackle the same issue. I usually leave this sort of tricky thing to Bruno Le Floch!
 
7:50 AM
@JosephWright Maybe I can write a little article about this code with step-by-step description. But I am not sure if somebody interest in this.
 
@wipet I can imagine more efficient ways than my own: I just wouldn't start with them :-) (For example, as it's non-expandable anyway we don't need multiple auxiliaries, as a single one can be re-purposed.)
@wipet Karl is always after articles for TUGBoat
 
8:21 AM
@wipet I haven't looked yet but I thought that question would interest you:-)
 
8:32 AM
Phew finally I can answer a question, I didn't answer any yesterday as I didn't want an accept to throw me out of parity:
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9:42 AM
@DavidCarlisle: You could as well post a question, to get rep ;-) I suggest a question on TikZ --- it will give you \infty rep ;-)
 
10:35 AM
@ChristianHupfer what's tikz?
 
@DavidCarlisle ;-)
@HenriMenke: Yes, I heard of them, but I never use them ;-)
 
 
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12:09 PM
@DavidCarlisle Some sort of picture mode for those who don't know picture mode. :)
 
@PauloCereda Welcome back! Are you still in Campo Grande?
 
@egreg Hi! :) I'm back home. I left CG yesterday night. Quite an interesting trip. You won't believe: there are araras everywhere!
I've never seen them in the wild.
 
@PauloCereda Continually typesetting?
 
@egreg I wish. :)
I forgot to take my camera, but in the beginning of a big avenue there's this:
The rightmost one (red) is apparently the most common. It's called arara canindé.
@egreg: how are you doing? Did I miss something important? :)
 
@PauloCereda You just missed about a hundred votes. You must have a very full backlog.
 
12:17 PM
@egreg :) That's true, almost 100% of my votes today went to you and David. :)
 
@PauloCereda What??? ;-)
 
@egreg I had to do heavy math in order to accomodate all my votes. :)
 
@PauloCereda ah OK I don't need it then
 
1:20 PM
@PauloCereda Was the conference interesting?
 
@egreg Very interesting. :) And the university infrastructure is simply amazing.
 
@PauloCereda Should I apply for a position there?
 
@egreg You are already connected to it. :) Their founder is an Italian: Giovanni Bosco. :)
It's an university managed by the Società Salesiana di San Giovanni Bosco. :)
 
@PauloCereda Interesting!
 
@egreg I'll send you an e-mail later on. :)
 
 
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3:31 PM
ooh @Nicola has a new hat! Yay!
 
@tohecz survived?
 
3:53 PM
@DavidCarlisle quite
 
4:41 PM
@percusse What would actually count as an answer to your meta question? At the moment, all I can imagine is summing up the comments (broadly: reviews take time, there is no need worry about closing most questions in the first couple of days, read the comments and thing, ....).
 
5:20 PM
@DavidCarlisle Those are some pretty big green-tick assumptions...
 
@Werner A message such as “Dear egreg, answer these questions too, so I won't get a green tick from them” would have sufficed.
 
@egreg :D
 
5:34 PM
@JosephWright I was expecting some counter arguments from the frequent voters but apparently none of them showed up. Judging from their reviewing pattern, I'm not even sure if they ever read the question :)
 
@percusse: if one of the reviewers say s/he eats duck in das breakfast, burn the infidel. :)
 
But yes, you hit most of the key points such that we can refer to it later as a pseudo-policy.
@PauloCereda How about using this?
 
@percusse OMG there's one of those nearby.
 
@PauloCereda Stop the animal suffering
 
@percusse :)
@percusse: plot twist: what if the meta question gets closed because it lacks a MWE? :)
 
5:44 PM
@PauloCereda I wouldn't be surprised given the current situation.
 
@percusse :(
@percusse: I wrote a comment with a suggestion. :)
 
@PauloCereda I've had the hat a while, but the picture's new. I've finally got round to updating my avatar!
 
@NicolaTalbot :)
 
@PauloCereda We should be able to deal with this as a community. If you see how things are decided on SO, we are better off by just dumping this place and moving to Stefan's site if it comes to dealing with powers-that-be.
 
@percusse Oh.
 
5:53 PM
Some of their mod decisions are and I'm measuring my language here, socially-crippled.
 
@percusse Got it.
 
@percusse The model is not prefect, certainly
@percusse However, I don't think the issue is (primarily) deliberate
 
@JosephWright Everybody can read the TeXBook and handle things by themselves. It's the social context that makes this model attractive otherwise there is no point hanging out here.
But if you take away the fun and the incentive to contribute with this stupid behavior then there is no point in this model
New users are the fuel of this model
 
@percusse I think you are perhaps more sensitive to this than some others are: I view the varying dynamic more as 'one of those things'
 
If you scare them away because some OCD people are liking to click buttons and seeing their metrics are increasing, that's meaningless
 
5:59 PM
@percusse We've no evidence that takes place
 
Some networks might not be able to deal with their intake, we can.
@JosephWright Do we have to to prevent something?
This data-based argument necessites that something must happen before we act, which is really really not smart.
 
@percusse I mean that how comments, review, etc. look to new users is at best speculation on the part of more established people
@percusse I assume that the Powers have good evidence that they continue to gain new users for the network as a whole: they after all have hard cash involved
 
@JosephWright I don't know how to argue with that mindset. They are making cash over us. So they should shut up and listen once in a while then
 
@percusse I don't think that the review queues are meant as a hindrance: I very much doubt anyone sat down and thought 'how can we annoy users'
 
But anyway, it is really boring to discuss this with people who are not involved in anyway with this behavior. My target was other people.
@JosephWright It's implied behavior. They are always thinking how can we ease the pain of the reviewer assuming that the reviewer is all-knowing. That's a terrible mistake on the social part.
 
6:03 PM
@percusse I'm simply trying to understand things: as a mod I try to be careful to think about all the possible points of view before acting
 
I'm sure coding it was fun
@JosephWright Don't get me wrong I know you are poking the devil's advocate strings anyway.
 
@percusse I guess in part it's because the number of users with sufficient rep to do reviews is actually very small, even for us and definitely on SO, and so there is an assumption that people who can review know what they are doing
 
But as we have seen yesterday, the attitude is just funny :)
 
@percusse It seems pretty clear that the review system has issues even on SO, reading the main meta, but I don't see the Powers budging
 
Well, for example, I can safely say that I'm really having hard time deciding voting; let me give an example
 
6:05 PM
@percusse Like I said in the meta question, my feeling is that the issue is really the system rather than any one individual
 
I can't vote for TikZ questions because I have the yellow dot. And I don't like closing the question like that
 
@percusse I know the feeling: I have very little scope to review anything
 
I can't vote for other questions, because I know there is a legion of reviewers waiting to close it
So in essence, I'm stripped off of any possible way of voting
 
@percusse The review system is clearly based around the SO model where there is a working assumption that most questions will need an improvement cycle
@percusse See the turned-down request on the main meta for mods to be able to vote without it being binding
 
@JosephWright Precisely. So if we really want to let the hi-reps act like they know what they are doing, then we need to give more options. Not restricting them to a bunch of socially-terrible options.
 
6:08 PM
@percusse There has always been a concern with the site that ultimately the Powers have their own agenda
 
@JosephWright Possible. I don't have any knowledge of the trending issues around the network, but since the election for Scotland is approaching I don't want to poke this sub independence issue anymore :P
 
@percusse I actually can see why that one got turned down: I suspect it would get messy very quickly
@percusse :-)
@percusse If you have good evidence of poor reviewing, or indeed anything else, from individuals you know how to get hold of me directly, I guess
 
@JosephWright Yes but it's really not my cup of tea as I noted at the bottom of the question. Instead of snitching we should be able to shape a social context I hope.
 
Hi folks, how to ONLY change the text font to fourier and keep the math untouched?
 
@percusse Totally agree: the mod team are very reluctant to go down this route as in the end that's not a community thing!
Right, I have to head out
 
6:12 PM
OK, thanks for the agony aunting :)
 
6:26 PM
@Ohmyghost Possibly just redefine \rmdefault to use one of the fourier fonts. Someone with a better knowledge of fonts than me can correct me. Here's a mwe using futs:
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

\usepackage{lipsum}

\renewcommand{\rmdefault}{futs}

\begin{document}

\lipsum[1]

\[
y = \alpha x + \beta
\]

\end{document}
The maths is in the default computer modern.
 
6:57 PM
@NicolaTalbot Thank you. I just arrived.
 
7:08 PM
Hello everybody!
 
Why does not my default options in the following take effect?
\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}[1994/06/01]
\ProvidesClass{MyLectureNote}[2014/08/10 v0.01 package for my lecture notes]
\DeclareOption*{\PassOptionsToClass{\CurrentOption}{book}}% or whatever
\ProcessOptions\relax
\LoadClass
[
	% the default options
	12pt,
	leqno,
]{book}
 
Is there something like \protected{\a\b\c} in e-TeX or do I have to do \protect\a\protect\b\protect\c?
@ChristianHupfer Here is my KOMA font answer tex.stackexchange.com/a/201524/10995
 
7:30 PM
@Werner when you have comments saying "please make that an answer so it can be accepted" it's not ''too'' much of an assumption to assume that an odd number of ticks may result:-0
 
@DavidCarlisle By odd you mean strange/undesired, or not even?
 
7:51 PM
Good MAEN;-)
 
8:03 PM
@ChristianHupfer Yo! :)
 
@PauloCereda: Ah, you're back from your trip around the world? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I guess so. :)
 
@PauloCereda: Well, I am back to school since yesterday, teaching again, after six week summer vacation :-(
 
8:39 PM
@ChristianHupfer Oh no! :(
 
Hi, I am wondering if anyone knows the syntax for the epsilon delta formulas in this pdf?
Especially the part where he starts building the argument and neatly typesets the implies in the middle. I assume he's using alignat but I can't seem to get it right.
 
@Werner not even, since I got downvoted by some vim users I've been on a 2-7 cycle which means for the last 100000 points I had no chance of a palindrome, I missed 200002 so this was the first one for ages:-)
@Jun-GooKwak just looks like align* with \longrightarrow ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, I believe you are correct. Instead of \longrightarrow I believe it is just \implies. I'll try it out and report my results. Thank you very much.
 
@PauloCereda Nice game.
 
@Jun-GooKwak \implies: \long macro:->\DOTSB \;\Longrightarrow \; :)
@egreg Indeed! We are on track. :)
 
8:47 PM
@Jun-GooKwak not much difference:-) \newcommand{\implies}{\DOTSB\;\Longrightarrow\;} ah @Paulo beat me to it
 
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I'm pretty new to LaTeX. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle The power of an open terminal. :) But you knew that by heart, I didn't. :)
 
@PauloCereda power of an open emacs buffer
 
@Davi
 
@DavidCarlisle boo. :)
 
8:49 PM
@DavidCarlisle The \begin{align*} works perfectly. Thanks again for pointing me to the right one.
 
@Jun-GooKwak :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle You're dedicated!
@DavidCarlisle: You know that when (wink, wink) you ask a question and accept an answer, you get +2 rep... which could open up a whole new world of palindromes for you.
 
@Werner I'll consider it when I get past 400K so I get off my 2-7 to a 4-9 :-)
 
Hi, I have one more question. In the equation environment $$ $$, if I want to add text, what is more appropriate to use? \mbox? or would it be \text? Or is something different altogether. The specific case I am using it for is $$ \forall \epsilon > 0, \exists \delta(\epsilon) = \epsilon - 6 \mbox{such that} $$
 
@DavidCarlisle Also, questions with a downvote "adds" only -1, giving great palindrome strategy.
@DavidCarlisle: For answers though it's -2. Regardless, let me know when you want a down-vote. ;) I'm here to help...
 
8:56 PM
@Jun-GooKwak don't use $$ :-) use \[ \] \text or \mbox come to the same thing there. (main difference if you use amsmath that \text gets smaller in subscripts but \mbox does not
 
@DavidCarlisle Once again, thank you very much for your prompt reply. :) @Werner Thanks for providing a link to the exact question I had lol.
 
Guys, this is quite embarassing: is there a way to avoid multicols of doing this to my \item's?
 
9:11 PM
@PauloCereda is that multicols? or just the narrow measure, the first itemis overfull?
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh my, how embarassing indeed! You are right, I forgot I disabled hyphenation. Deeply sorry!
 
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Q: How about encouraging the users to provide MWE before asking questions?

PouyaIn the lights of increase in the number of questions without MWE, I was wondering how can we encourage the users to provide MWE prior to submitting the questions. Considering that in many cases these questions are asked by users who do not know about MWE and they will learn about it by the commen...

 
@DavidCarlisle Don't you MWE me. :P
@David: so I believe you are keeping an eye at KaTeX as well? :)
 
@PauloCereda I predict it'll fizzle out there have been others eg jqmath but it's easy to be faster if you only cover a fraction of the input, and mathjax will have a new output jax that's faster anyway (about 10x) so the speed advantage is only transient, and anyway both are horribly slow compared to a real implementation, everyone should use firefox or sfari:-)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, MWE has become a \verb.
 
9:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle I was thinking the same, to be honest. :)
@Werner :)
@Werner: for God's sake, don't go to UrbanDictionary. :)
 
@PauloCereda davide's testing a new "pure html" output that like jqmath or katex is browser independent and doesn't require reflowing and measuring, together with a combined config that does that first then goes back and does the slower version while you're not looking
 
@Werner: I think I'll go now with SSCCE (sscce.org) just for the fun of it. :)
@DavidCarlisle Oh.
 
9:36 PM
@HenriMenke etoolbox offers various things to ad LaTeX2e protection to macros, but if you are talking e-TeX I'm not sure what you are aiming at
 
 
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11:24 PM
"Greatly appreciate COMPLETE CODE to generate the Rectangular Grid Sheet, using PsTricks."
 
@Werner if I weren't seriously drunk, I would add a comment ;)
 
@tohecz Good then... it shows beerholder constraint.
 
@Werner well, I had an important exam today, I've got an excuse :D
no beer tho ;) wine, porto, whiskey, rhum and slivowitz
 
@tohecz What?! Step away from the keyboard!
 
@Werner lol
it wasn't too much, don't worry ;) Sure, I wouldn't drive a car, but I managed to lead my guests to the night bus stop and I got home safely ;)
 

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