TeX, LaTeX and Friends

5:42 AM

@DavidCarlisle What are the relative strong aspects of NAG numerical libraries compared to Mathematica numerical libraries? :-)

@PauloCereda It becomes a second option for my current condition. Thanks.

By joining the NAG team you’ll enjoy the following benefits:

Outstanding pension scheme
Flexible working hours
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Johannes_B

6:27 AM

1

Q: Basic setup for LaTeX for Mac?

I have a professor who requires me to use Latex but he mainly speaks in terms of PC. I have a Mac so I have to find appropriate alternatives. So far I have purchased "Latexian" as an editor, and see that the MikTeX distribution is mainly for PC. It seems that the alternative for Mac is Mactex. ...

@JosephWright I think the above question needs moderator attention. The question is more or less answerable (and maybe a duplicate). All answers are by now opinion-based.

subham soni

7:11 AM

does anybody know implementation of soap web services in jsp?

Christian Hupfer

7:30 AM

@egreg: Why beware? Do you have secret knowledge of Italian food and cooking? ;-)

@Johannes_B: I think that question is rather too broad and should be closed

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Or make it more precise, and answer »Mactex, TL with some fancy Mac stuff«

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Propose it to the OP ;-) I fear, he is one of the post a question and then run away, don't care users :-(

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer There are so many of them.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I think, it should not be possible to post a question without registration

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Propose it to meta ;-)

Christian Hupfer

7:36 AM

@Johannes_B: It will not prevent such users, but reduce their number perhaps

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Did you see @andrew and my mystical adventure? tex.stackexchange.com/q/197295/37907

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I don't know the user meta :D

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Golatex is full of those.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Wait, let me see what's behind the link, please

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer tex.stackexchange.com/users/3160/meta

Christian Hupfer

7:38 AM

@Johannes_B: Lol, there is even a user meta...and 20 upvotes for a silly question. Incredible

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer The question isn't silly at all. Many, maaaaany users aren't aware of that.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I remember that question from yesterday. I considered posting an answer

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I did so too, but ... as you can see ...

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Yes, I see ... It did not work for me... ;-) Off-topic: I would post a screen-shot of the output, to get an impression.

@Johannes_B: You got 10 rep more ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Yeah! :-D

Christian Hupfer

7:46 AM

@Johannes_B: Do you remember: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/185575/…... our first encounter here ;-)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer You remember things like that?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I remember a lot of 'unimportant' things ;-)

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B One part ('Which TeX system to use on the Mac?') might be answerable but I can't believe it's not been asked before

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer @JosephWright This must be a duplicate. Many mac users barely know how to switch on the thing.

Sorry @egreg ^ ^

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: egreg is a Mac user? I will immediately unaccept his answers :D

Johannes_B

7:55 AM

@ChristianHupfer Afair, yes.

subham soni

8:07 AM

hello

any programmers here?

Joseph Wright

@subhamsoni What sort of programmers?

subham soni

Actually to be frank. I joined stack overflow 3 years ago.

Due to my silly questions they closed my account

I am not able to post questions related to programming

I need help in that. Are there java programmers here?

Joseph Wright

@subhamsoni Do you mean you got banned?

subham soni

not exactly

but the account was closed

Joseph Wright

@subhamsoni @PauloCereda is a Java person

@subhamsoni Don't really understand! As far as I know, we can ban people for periods but only delete accounts if they are 'not constructive', and in that case you can re-register I think.

Johannes_B

8:12 AM

@JosephWright Does closing accounts happen often on other sites?

subham soni

I did everything possible

but

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B No idea

subham soni

for them

my questions

appear silly everytime

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Bans certainly are available so presumably used

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Thanks.

@subhamsoni I wonder what kinds of questions appear silly?

subham soni

8:14 AM

I was a beginner that time

so what I did

when I got -4 or so for a question

I changed the question totally to a new one

as an analogy

if I first posted on beamer

I changed it to TikZ

Joseph Wright

@subhamsoni I can see that

@subhamsoni From what I see, your account on SO wasn't deleted: I've no idea if you've got a ban there, of course

subham soni

Now what should I do?

Need help very badly

Christian Hupfer

I think there is some paragraph on the help center (TeX.SX)... Why was my account closed or something similar...

Joseph Wright

@subhamsoni Are you banned from asking questions on SO?

@ChristianHupfer tex.stackexchange.com/help/question-bans

subham soni

I have no idea. Its long since I have been there. But I need help now from SO

Joseph Wright

8:21 AM

@subhamsoni Well, I'd try to write a good question and see if you can post it. If you can, there is no issue. If you can't then you will have to try to regain this ability, for example by fixing your other questions there. (I've no idea if you have deleted questions on SO: they make a difference.)

One slight issue there is that if your old questions are not really 'salvageable' it can be tricky to actually do anything: one for their meta, of course

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Yes, that's what I referred to... thanks

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer :-)

subham soni

@JosephWright sure

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer Not really an issue for us but it is for others

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: I assume, the same rules hold for the whole SO/SX network?

Joseph Wright

8:25 AM

@ChristianHupfer Broadly yes: there are a few 'special case' things on SO but I think that's mainly stuff like how the 'main page' is shown to different users, rather than privileges, etc.

subham soni

Anyone there

what should I do

Joseph Wright

@subhamsoni Like I say, first step is to draft a question and try to make sure it is a 'good' one. Then try to post it to SO. I assume SO has a chat room where you might ask for some feedback on your draft question.

Christian Hupfer

@subhamsoni: Not the best solution perhaps, but can you delete some of your 'silly' (as you called it) questions by yourself? This would remove the downvotes as well.

subham soni

ok done

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer No!

@ChristianHupfer Bad, bad idea

@ChristianHupfer Question/answer bans are not circumvented by deleting material

Christian Hupfer

8:31 AM

@JosephWright: Does it affect the acceptance either?

subham soni

This question has answers and cannot be deleted

Johannes_B

@JosephWright In my head i just saw you spank @ChristianHupfer with a rolled newspaper :-)

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Yes, I feel mobbed by Joseph ;-)

Joseph Wright

209

Q: What can I do when getting "We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"?

Do not repost the question you were about to ask until you have READ EVERYTHING WE ARE ABOUT TO TELL YOU. While trying to ask a question, one could get: We are no longer accepting questions from this account. See the Help Center to learn more. Likewise, for answers: We are no longe...

support faq asking-questions post-ban

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: I feared that, yes, it was just a thought... I have no intention to get a ban for my posts here

Joseph Wright

8:34 AM

@ChristianHupfer :-)

subham soni

I am going to post my question on the chat

should I tell them that I have a question ban

?

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer The issue I do see with the system is that if you've made mistakes in the past there is a limited amount you can do. As the ban never expires, if the old questions are simply not salvageable then it's not clear what you can do to get an account 'working' again.

@subhamsoni I don't know how their chat works, but people are not stupid so it might be best to be honest

subham soni

ok @JosephWright

Christian Hupfer

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@JosephWright: I feel like the peasant, at 2:58 ;-)

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer :-)

@subhamsoni Looking at chat.stackoverflow.com they have lots of chat rooms for different topics: I guess pick the Java one

@subhamsoni Oh, I see you did :-)

egreg

8:44 AM

@ChristianHupfer How was the food?

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Very delicious...

egreg

@ChristianHupfer I've never been in Italian restaurants abroad; except once: they had something that would hardly be found in Italy. ;-)

Joseph Wright

@subhamsoni I see you got a comment much as I've tried to say: you'll need to improve your existing material. Essentially, the StackExchange model is that people have to 'give and take': just asking questions without some evidence of either them being good and/or giving good answers will get you into trouble.

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Do you have an example? I visited my favourite Italian restaurant and the owner comes from Northern Italy, Firenze, I think. Of course, there are some 'localized' styles of pizza, but no German food otherwise.

egreg

@ChristianHupfer That was in the USA. It's normal that the style somewhat adapts to the local tastes.

Joseph Wright

9:36 AM

1

Q: Double or one-half spacing

How do I double space just a portion of a document, and not the entire thing? How do I double space an entire document? What package should I use?

line-spacing

Should this one be marked as a dupe as suggested?

egreg

@JosephWright It might be misleading.

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: For me it was a dupe ;-)

David Carlisle

@cyanide-basedfood sorry that's too close to the day job for casual chat in public forums

tohecz

9:53 AM

Seen on SE: Your bottom and my bottom are probably different things. (link)

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: On Bottom.SX or where else? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

10:15 AM

Phew, now it's safe to join. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Join to.... Bottom.SX ? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

►

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: My fiancée loves the minions :D

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Hilarious ;-)

Christian Hupfer

10:36 AM

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@PauloCereda: ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer I want one of those sound thingies. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda \begin{Form} \CheckBox{Order Cow Box} \SubmitButton \end{Form} ;-)

Christian Hupfer

10:54 AM

A question for the Nobody expects the typography inquisition guys : tex.stackexchange.com/questions/197470/…

Christian Hupfer

11:45 AM

@PauloCereda: Thanks about the pasta time :D

How can I force Let us continue this disscusion in chat manually?

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer I think you cannot

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Bl... hell ... Invite someone to a room?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer How rude, invite to dinner first. :P

/bad joke detected

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Thou art banned from chat from hence on forever ...

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer o.O

/cries

/walks in shame

Goodbye. :(

Christian Hupfer

11:59 AM

@PauloCereda: Too late... :D

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer send a dozen pointless comments until the system gets cross and inserts the suggestion automatically?

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: I am doing that already :D Thanks

Paulo Cereda

Hey guys, did I miss something? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda yes but it's a secret

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Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Oh. :(

Christian Hupfer

12:04 PM

@DavidCarlisle: I hate this 15sec time lag...

@DavidCarlisle: I assume, this forcing will only work if using the @ username ?;-)

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer Well, you can open a room, and you can send them a link in the comment

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Thanks, I try that

Bye the way, is there any (huge?) database/website, which contains somehow references of package commands (not only LaTeX2e etc.) , say for example \cmidrule and it will show up with booktabs etc?

David Carlisle

12:22 PM

$ grep -l cmidrule $(kpsewhich latex.ltx | sed -e "s@base/.*@*/*\\.*@")
/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/latex/booktabs/booktabs.sty
/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/latex/memoir/memoir.cls
/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/latex/nostarch/nostarch.cls
/usr/local/texlive/2014/texmf-dist/tex/latex/spreadtab/spreadtab.sty

@ChristianHupfer ^^

Johannes_B

Packages skamath and physics have a lot in common. From the top off your heads, is there another one with similar features?

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: Of course, that's a way ;-)

@tohecz: That worked, but the other user does not have enough reputation.... :-(

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer who's the user?

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: It's a new user, I would like to explain my answer more in detail than in the answer or in comments

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer well, do you have a link to their profile?

Torbjørn T.

12:35 PM

@Johannes_B cool?

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: tex.stackexchange.com/users/61135/bj%C3%B6rn

@tohecz: Do you want to upvote him beyond 20 ;-)

@TorbjørnT.: Yes, thanks, I have learned that now too :D

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer no, if he visits a chat, you can then invite him into any room you own

Torbjørn T.

@ChristianHupfer Sorry, I didn't see that you had already said so.

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: He wrote a comment that he couldn't ... see that question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/197430/…

@TorbjørnT.: No problem... you couldn't not know of course. Thanks again, anyway

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer I left him a comment. It's a bit ridiculous because you can't know his chat ID unless he's in some chat room.

Christian Hupfer

12:44 PM

@tohecz:Designed to be not user friendly ;-)

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer quite. The chat profile is not considered a profile, yet it is considered a profile

@ChristianHupfer Another option is to ask @Joseph to ping-bring Björn here.

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: No, Joseph hit me with the newspaper roll this morning ... I won't ask him :D

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer huh?

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Never mind, it was a joke anyway :D

cyanide-based food

@DavidCarlisle Sorry. :-)

tohecz

12:53 PM

@JosephWright @Christian wanted to discuss something with the OP here:

2

Q: Latex - Headlines with Chapter (odd page) and Section + Subsection (even page)

I would like to format my headlines like that: left page: left side: Chapter x, right side: name of chapter rigt page: left side: subsection, right side: name of subsubsection but only if there is an existing subsubsection. With the fancyhdr package I could get so far that I got chapter and su...

header-footer fancyhdr

But we didn't manage (yet) to bring him into the chat

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Yes, we could not convince him of the dark side ;-)

Faheem Mitha

1:21 PM

@DavidCarlisle As you predicted, the mercurial person in charge was not enthusiastic. See my updates to tex.stackexchange.com/q/197325/3406

Paulo Cereda

@FaheemMitha IMHO that conversation should have taken place off site. The way your question stands now, IMHO, looks terribly awkward for me.

Joseph Wright

1:36 PM

$TeX - LaTeX$ Discussion on answer by Christian Hup…

Imported from a comment discussion on tex.stackexchange.com/qu...

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh should we all hop in? :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda We may still have the 'can't add users to chat' issue :-(

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Look at this:

This looks like a very interesting feature for us! :)

Christian Hupfer

1:54 PM

I'm off for a while

Bye

Paul Gessler

Bye @ChristianHupfer, sorry for jumping into your other room for a moment. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

2:08 PM

What. The. Flying. Duck.

Mike the Headless Chicken

Mike the Headless Chicken (April 1945 – March 1947), also known as Miracle Mike, was a Wyandotte chicken that lived for 18 months after his head had been cut off. Although the story was thought by many to be a hoax, the bird's owner took him to the University of Utah in Salt Lake City to establish the facts of the story. == Beheading == On September 10, 1945, farmer Lloyd Olsen of Fruita, Colorado, United States, was eating supper with his mother-in-law and was sent out to the yard by his wife to bring back a chicken. Olsen chose a five-and-a-half-month-old cockerel named Mike. The axe missed the...

Faheem Mitha

2:30 PM

@PauloCereda Not sure what you mean. What conversation? What site?

What's awkward?

Paulo Cereda

@FaheemMitha Your question in here about TikZ and Evolve.

Johannes_B

@TorbjørnT. Thanks, i'll take a look at it.

Christian Hupfer

2:47 PM

Does \apptocmd from etoolbox package work for macros with an optional argument? It seems to ignore the opt. argument ....

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I would have said yes, but ...

@ChristianHupfer Actually, i think i never tried.

Faheem Mitha

@PauloCereda I got that. Didn't really get the rest.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: It annoys me for days now... :-(

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer I'll have a look at it tonight.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Yes, and perhaps I ask a question... I have not found a similar one up to now

Paul Gessler

3:02 PM

Ooo now I can relive my childhood in TeXnical form :D vvv

ctan.org/pkg/pst-spirograph

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I think, I have an answer by (guess who!) ;-) : tex.stackexchange.com/questions/152773/… ..it helped

Faheem Mitha

Should I go ahead and close that evolve question, then?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Yes, it helped!

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle ?

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer no. but you can use \xapptocmd from @egreg's xpatch package

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Q: How can I use \patchcmd with commands with optional arguments?

This question led to a new package: xpatch This is likely a simple question, but I'm getting stuck on the small details. I have an internal command, defined by a package as \newcommand\foo@[3][]{...stuff...} and somewhere in there I'd like to patch the command to include a call to \la...

macros etoolbox optional-arguments

Or you patch the internal command (the one with the two backslashs)

Christian Hupfer

3:08 PM

@cgnieder: Yes, I found it already too... a different question however, but thanks!

@cgnieder: I tested \xapptocmd a few minutes ago... it's exactly what I requested!

egreg

@ChristianHupfer :)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer It's my favourite package. :) I wonder who wrote it. :) /wink wink ^^

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: I don't know who you mean :D

@egreg: That's what I realized just now :-(

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: can I apply xpatch commands on xpatch commands?

egreg

@ChristianHupfer No; \section is usually defined without arguments to call \@startsection

Paulo Cereda

3:19 PM

@PaulGessler Great, my weekend is ruined now. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda No. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg oh. :)

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Yes, that's what I've feared

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Sectional commands are best redefined with titlesec

Paul Gessler

@PauloCereda You're welcome! :D

David Carlisle

3:28 PM

@FaheemMitha ? but what was the question?

Faheem Mitha

3:51 PM

44 mins ago, by Faheem Mitha

Should I go ahead and close that evolve question, then?

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha ah, probably, I'm not sure the quoted chat session really improves it.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle It wasn't intended as an improvement.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha well I mean its updated with extra information but as Paulo commented it looks a bit odd now. I don't think its fair to ask people to put time into doing them in tikz if they are not going to be used.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle My thoughts exactly.

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle Well, the comments were to make clear the stance of the maintainer.

While it wasn't the final word, it certainly wasn't encouraging. So, I thought, full disclosure...

tohecz

4:02 PM

@ChristianHupfer it does not, xpatch should work tho

cgnieder

56 mins ago, by cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer no. but you can use \xapptocmd from @egreg's xpatch package

:)

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: ;-)

tohecz

@cgnieder well, I got back to the chat, and I saw that single message out of context. And I'm good in answering questions out of context ;)

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha I think you'd get the same from any maintainer of any software:-) I wouldn't accept contributed tikz images to one of my manuals, unless I was confident I could update them myself if needed.

tohecz

btw, got two mod argue over whether my Q is on-topic on Sound.SE ;)

cgnieder

4:05 PM

@tohecz :) sounds like a useful skill

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle But you could, couldn't you? :-)

You're, like, an expert.

You have your name all over LaTeX 2e.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha no, I've never produced so much as a line using tikz

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle Huh. I thought you answered them here.

@tohecz Score!

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha knowledge isn't required to make answers

5

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle There you go, shattering my illusions.

David Carlisle

4:07 PM

@FaheemMitha I even have a silver tikz badge, but unless the OP provides an example document to start I honestly would not know how to do anything in tikz

Faheem Mitha

/me wonders how @DavidCarlisle got a silver TikZ badge without being able to draw anything in TikZ.

I guess it is just one of life's mysteries

Paulo Cereda

Here I go.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha I've also posted answers in Chinese, Japanese, and so @PauloCereda tells me Portuguese (I thought it was Spanish:-) and my Tikz is no better than my Chinese.

Paulo Cereda

Quite a long text.

@Faheem: Sorry for the following lines, but that's how I feel about it: IMHO that's definitely not the way to make things work on any project. For starters, we are entering a subjective cloud of do X instead of Y because Z, where Z is simply opinion-based. When one wants to effectively contribute to a project, the best way is to make the first step towards the intention. >>>

>>> In your specific case, if you are suggesting them to move from whatever to TikZ, I'd say the natural way of doing is you showing the effort of getting the documentation code, converting all things you want to TikZ, then submit a patch/pull request/whatever. From a developer perspective (and specially open source development), it's important to show the merits of what you want to achieve with commitment. >>>

>>> It's easy, say, to tell me Write the arara manual in koma instead of memoir just because one likes koma better, but that's the casual nitpicker because the gear gets stuck instead of moving. On the other hand, Dude, I forked your repo and replaced memoir with koma is helpful, even if at the end of the day I take the decision of not accepting the request: it showed commitment. Things like that work as a meritocracy. >>>

>>> Another example: Why don't you rewrite arara in X instead of Java? X is better. The key here is not the rewriting process, but the commitment to the task. Fine, I'd say, will you help me port the code? And a plethora of people just runs away. I really appreciate the effort on your part, but there are better ways to make things evolve (excuse the pun) healthily. Take the risk, bite the bullet. IMHO you are trying to solve a problem that isn't there in the first place. >>>

>>> As David mentioned before, maybe they are OK with their workflow so far. It's not nice to disrupt someone's universe just for the sake of this is better. If you want them to move, show them the following steps instead of making them walk on their own. Don't take what I said as personal, but it's something complicated. It's quite common for me to get mails and mails on do this and do that things; >>>

>>> I'd be very happy if 10% of these people actually commit themselves to the project, so I could effectively make the proposed changes. EOF

Phew, I need some Pringles now. :)

Faheem Mitha

@PauloCereda eek, I hope you are not expecting me to reply to that.

David Carlisle

4:10 PM

@FaheemMitha I just searched for something and found it was originally addressed to you:-) vvvvv

Jan 2 '13 at 16:46, by David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha The new years resolution is to get a tikz gold badge by answering tikz question with tex primitives, picture mode, or if really pushed pstricks, doing quite well so far this year.

Paulo Cereda

@FaheemMitha It's up to you. :)

Faheem Mitha

@PauloCereda I'm not really that inclined to take risks about this. I've done work on projects before only to have it mostly ignored. So... I check first.

In the case of this manual, I thought given the number of people here who make tikz diagrams for fun, they could make short work of it. I don't see myself doing them all by myself. I could maybe manage one or two. And even then they would not be good. But I guess the point is moot if the maintainer doesn't want it.

cgnieder

@PauloCereda I could do that. Are you using memoir right now? Or – if you already use KOMA – I could rewrite it using memoir (that'd be a challenge!)

Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder It was just an example. :) But secretly I want to move to KOMA (Brent will kill me). :)

@cgnieder: but first I have another manual to write. That tool in which you are part of the team. :P

Faheem Mitha

@cgnieder Go for it.

cgnieder

4:17 PM

@PauloCereda lol

@PauloCereda writing manuals is tedious...

Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder Dude, it's serious. Brent will go on a killing rampage if he finds out. :)

@cgnieder It is. :) Releasing stuff for me is 10% writing code and 90% writing boring manuals. :)

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle Clearly you have magical TIkz powers.

Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder: mail. :)

Christian Hupfer

4:45 PM

Bye for now ;-)

percusse

5:12 PM

@PauloCereda X = Python and you know it

I don't get how you love Monty this much and not use Python

The shame, the shame....

tohecz

@percusse LOL

Paulo Cereda

@percusse LOL

I will write a project in Python.

percusse

@PauloCereda I know you would write a wrapper and call it cuckoo

which would still run java in the background

Paulo Cereda

5:28 PM

@percusse LOL

@percusse That would betray the cause and my comrades. :)

percusse

@PauloCereda If the cause is to delay the inevitable fall of the Java empire yes it would

cgnieder

@PauloCereda I've just found the perfect vacation: formentera-guitars.com/en/info-a-booking/about-us.html

percusse

Some never learn, one should not repeat the same mistakes. Here is another Stackoverflow topuser in the java that got disappointed

Java Man

Java Man (Homo erectus erectus) is the popular name given to early human fossils discovered on the island of Java (Indonesia) in 1891 and 1892. Led by Eugène Dubois, the excavation team uncovered a tooth, a skullcap, and a thighbone at Trinil on the banks of the Solo River in East Java. Arguing that the fossils represented the "missing link" between apes and humans, Dubois gave the species the scientific name Anthropopithecus erectus, then later renamed it Pithecanthropus erectus. The fossil aroused much controversy. Less than ten years after 1891, almost eighty books or articles had been published...

Paulo Cereda

@percusse LOL

@cgnieder OMG

percusse

@cgnieder I am taking it

AMAZING

cgnieder

5:32 PM

@percusse it sounds like a lot of fun! Plus guitars! I have to save some money...

percusse

I couldn't find the price

cgnieder

@percusse 2100€ formentera-guitars.com/en/info-a-booking/…

Paulo Cereda

@percusse: github.com/cereda/cuckoo

percusse

@cgnieder holy guacaholy

@PauloCereda #$@%@#$!@!#$$%^&&*

Paulo Cereda

@percusse wub you sir. :)

tohecz

5:38 PM

@percusse I just met a nice guy from sound.SE :)

percusse

@tohecz First time I heard about that site. Damn, this thing is like bacteria. So many SE sites

cgnieder

@percusse probably plus accommodation and certainly plus flight...

tohecz

@percusse I'm tempted to say that this is not a very good direction

percusse

@cgnieder Yea, 22 euros per day.... pfff

tohecz

many sites don't get quite a lot of traffic

percusse

5:42 PM

@tohecz I've survived ICQ madness. I can easily handle this. hehe

tohecz

@percusse lol. I gotta go. see you later (maybe on Monday only) :)

percusse

@tohecz Take care.

@cgnieder I think you ruined my holiday plans. It's sooo tempting

cgnieder

@percusse sorry :) I can't afford it right now which is why I'm not tempted as much (but I'll probably start saving)

percusse

@cgnieder You think I can? I can sell stuff for this. But do you know the overall end product quality by any chance?

If it's worth it I can take a black eye or two (TR translation never works on proverbs :P )

tohecz

@percusse thanks and bye!

cgnieder

6:00 PM

@percusse I have no idea. I vaguely remember there was a review in Gitarre&Bass, though, which was not too bad IIRC

percusse

@cgnieder Oh my custom fret markers that goes over one fret to the other.....

Paulo Cereda

6:14 PM

@percusse How many digits did your number have? :) I meet a guy with 6 digits. :P

percusse

@PauloCereda It was seven I guess.

110427.... wow finally I'm starting forget it.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Wow.

Mine was 8 or more.

percusse

@PauloCereda Nevermind, how about these ? inlay-stickers-jockomo.myshopify.com/collections/fret-markers/…

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Oh my!

percusse

6:38 PM

3

hahahaha

percusse

7:01 PM

tomato-tomato discussion

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Q: Does the Oxford Comma increase readability?

There are many puns online where not having the Oxford comma (Serial comma) can be interpreted as something other than intended, such as the infamous Sky News notification: It’s hilarious, I know, but on a more serious note, does the optional serial comma have any effect on readability? Being ...

readability grammar

Paulo Cereda

@percusse One of the answerers is a gal hugging a tree. o.O

percusse

@PauloCereda Dutch.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Oh.

percusse

I have a mathematician friend working for that company.

There he is ; math.stackexchange.com/users/5887/ilya

he was my office mate

Paulo Cereda

7:20 PM

@percusse ooh. :)

Johannes_B

7:44 PM

If anybody has some time, i made some late answers and i am not quite sure if they are working with TL 2014.

I am still running TL 13 :-(

@percusse I just looked at the linked Wikipedia entry in the Q and the other available languages. Nice selection.

cyanide-based food

online texdoc always seems to be out of date: for example texdoc.net/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pst-plot/pst-plot-doc.pdf, it is very old.

Joseph Wright

@cyanide-basedfood I'm not sure what TL version @StefanKottwitz has installed on it

cyanide-based food

@JosephWright OK. Thanks.

Johannes_B

@JosephWright @cyanide-basedfood @stefankottwitz Does texdoc.net link to the doc tree of a local TL install?

Joseph Wright

8:00 PM

@Johannes_B Yes: how did you think it works?

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Never thought about it, really. :-)

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B @PauloCereda wrote the script part

Johannes_B

@JosephWright But since some docs are old, it couldn't link to ctan directly.

I just had to tell the local Trunkenbold how the local soccer teams played.

And now, heading back home. Sleep tight guys.

Stefan Kottwitz

8:37 PM

@cyanide-basedfood It's of March 2014, so "very old" is a bit too hard. It came with TeX Live 2014

@cyanide-basedfood I planned to implement automatic updating, but did not have time yet, so I still update manually from time to time

Joseph Wright

@StefanKottwitz cron job?

Stefan Kottwitz

@JosephWright Yes, I use the cron tab for such things, just not yet in that case. There was some additional work to do, following an update

Joseph Wright

@StefanKottwitz Ah, right

For those interested: expl3 update to CTAN likely to happen tomorrow

Stefan Kottwitz

@JosephWright that bird thingy?

Joseph Wright

@StefanKottwitz Huh?

Stefan Kottwitz

8:42 PM

@JosephWright just imagined I would not know what it is but know the nice logo :-)

Joseph Wright

@StefanKottwitz Ah

@StefanKottwitz In that case: yes, the bird thingy

Stefan Kottwitz

@JosephWright Authors writing documents would not need to know about expl3, right? What would be the most significant change for writers in the future?

I recently saw a question "what is the future of LaTeX" and thought about what will happen for an actual user, not a programmer or designer

Joseph Wright

@StefanKottwitz Broadly correct

@StefanKottwitz Depends on whether you mean people who use LaTeX for the own work or those using it on a 'bigger' scale

@StefanKottwitz My 'big picture' aim in working on the team remains trying to make things more straight-forward

@StefanKottwitz Frank's position, stated some time ago, is that a new kernel should be able to do more-or-less everything that is in The LaTeX Companion 'out of the box'

Stefan Kottwitz

@JosephWright Hard to maintain that, I assume. To compare - hundreds of authors maintain a set of packages, but who maintains memoir which aggregated those packages at a certain state at some time ago.

Joseph Wright

@StefanKottwitz Compare the ConTeXt feature set, which is all done by a pretty small team

@StefanKottwitz A lot of the stuff is quite basic: being able to define new types of float, altering design elements (like page size), ...

Stefan Kottwitz

8:57 PM

Would the kernel for example work like fancyhdr or like scrlayer-scrpage?

Sure, there's pretty stable established functionality which can go to the kernel

Joseph Wright

@StefanKottwitz A lot of this is actually design-layer facing

@StefanKottwitz We need both the code-level hooks and design-level interfaces to use them

Stefan Kottwitz

I'm a bit distracted because Karate Kid is on TV :-)

Paulo Cereda

9:37 PM

@Joseph, @Stefan and others: expect texdoc 2.0. :)

egreg

9:51 PM

+1 for the last sentence alone. ;-) — Paul Gessler 26 mins ago

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda your first bug free project, congratulations!

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tohecz

10:29 PM

one for a good night (the comments are worth it, too):

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A: Is there a word which means whatever you want it to mean? Or has no meaning?

Well, the first word that comes to mind is smurf. It can act as just about any word you want, it can be use as a noun, a verb, an adjective, and the meaning is completely open. Can you smurf that for me? Who smurfed my smurfs? What a smurf outfit! You'll attract a lot of smurfs with that!

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