TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Heiko Oberdiek

4:43 AM

@JosephWright The daily spammer: tex.stackexchange.com/users/59777/ling

@JosephWright The daily spammer, different account: tex.stackexchange.com/users/59478/user59478

@StefanKottwitz @MartinScharrer Who wants to delete the accounts of the daily spammer, when Joseph is on holiday?

Stefan Kottwitz

6:34 AM

@HeikoOberdiek I will gladly do it. I already deleted those two mentioned spammer accounts.

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

7:08 AM

How can I use hyperref's autoref but with on-the-fly provided name? I want to be able to say something like \label[Thing]{xxx} so that \autoref{xxx} gives Thing~3.4

with hyperref, \label gets the refernce prefix to be used by autoref from the counter

the source of hyperref has always been quite opaque to me :-/

Johannes_B

@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez You can do it globally pretty easy. But changing it for just one (or two) instances is cofusing for the reader.

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

Trust me that this is not goign to be confusing (it'd be long to explain...)

cgnieder

8:55 AM

@percusse not so esoteric in my experience: most big band arrangements I have seen so far have it

Paulo Cereda

9:59 AM

On my way to SP. :) Half way there. :)

David Carlisle

10:50 AM

@PauloCereda India: 60-2 (24.1 overs)

egreg

The \begingroup\lccode`~= trick is always good for getting points. ;-)

David Carlisle

11:09 AM

@egreg I was just thinking same looking at your answer, then I come here and see at least you admit your sins:-)

egreg

11:33 AM

Let me got forgiven: England: 569-7 (163.4 overs) India: 90-3 (32.2 overs)

@DavidCarlisle I won't add an answer to the “redefining \v” question, I promise.

3

Q: Small indentation appears when adding custom header

A small indentation appears on the first line of the paragraph when I add \pagestyle{myheader} to the MWE. I don't want it there. Thanks to Gonzalo Medina's answer I did the part described in Section format. MWE: \documentclass[11pt,oneside,article]{memoir} \usepackage{lipsum} % Begin Section ...

@DavidCarlisle If you want to have fun with \tracingall, here is one for you

The space that appears is from the boldface serif font.

subham soni

11:54 AM

hi guys

please help me with this

0

Q: Customization on moderntimeline

Referring to artcile with moderntimeline, I tried to implement the same. I wish to have the entries which are in the tabular form: To like this(similar structure): But, with the use of moderntimeline, package. Here is what I have done till now. I need help in improving it. \documentclass{artic...

article moderntimeline

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Never mind, I found out the culprit!

Paulo Cereda

My phone indicates SP with a freezing 14C. Brrrr. :)

David Carlisle

12:23 PM

@egreg If you did, would it back up my "don't do that" or would you give a detailed exposition of how to elegantly shoot yourself in the foot?

Paulo Cereda

@David: ooh!

egreg

12:52 PM

@DavidCarlisle It was a missing %, of course.

3

Q: Small indentation appears when adding custom header

A small indentation appears on the first line of the paragraph when I add \pagestyle{myheader} to the MWE. I don't want it there. Thanks to Gonzalo Medina's answer I did the part described in Section format. MWE: \documentclass[11pt,oneside,article]{memoir} \usepackage{lipsum} % Begin Section ...

sectioning memoir paragraphs

Johannes_B

0

Q: Install listings package manually

How do I install the listings package manually ?. With other packages I used to download all the files needed and copied in the right folders and then refreshing the packages and it worked perfectly, but some of the files I need now for this package is listings.sty and lstlang1.sty, but I don't ...

listings

^^ I would consider this a what's it called? reason to close.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle In this case your explanation is short and enough elegant. I could have remembered the case when a colleague was surprised that the name of his Turkish coauthor produced errors in the TeX file. Of course it was \def\c{\gamma} with the Turkish name having \c{S} at the beginning. ;-)

In the meantime England: 569-7 (163.4 overs) India: 128-3 (44.4 overs)

Johannes_B

The problem can be solved by updating the distro, or in this case installing the current version.

Paulo Cereda

1:20 PM

@egreg ooh they are everywhere! :)

David Carlisle

1:49 PM

@egreg so i assumed:-)

@egreg I gave you a +1 for missing %

egreg

@DavidCarlisle This was like a treasure hunt

Another wicket!

Joseph Wright

2:20 PM

@egreg England may be able to enforce the follow-on at this rate

(Am back from the holiday by the coast so on a fast connection, still on hols)

egreg

@JosephWright I can't understand what you're talking about. ;-)

Joseph Wright

@egreg If team A bat first, then team B bat, the standard rule is that A then have a second go, then B do giving A-B-A-B

@egreg However, if team A are a long way ahead after B have their first inning, team A can 'enforce the follow-on' so team B have to bat again, leading to A-B-B-A

egreg

@JosephWright And who decides if they are a long way ahead?

Joseph Wright

@egreg Team A have to be over 200 runs ahead after team B have batted

@egreg There is a lot of debate about whether to enforce the follow-on or not: it is down to the captain of team A

egreg

@JosephWright Interesting. So India must do another 165 runs.

Joseph Wright

2:30 PM

@egreg Yes

egreg

Rahane has 50. And did 100+ at Lord's. ;-)

Joseph Wright

@egreg Wicket

Joseph Wright

3:17 PM

@egreg Wicket

egreg

3:37 PM

@JosephWright Going well for England.

@JosephWright No century for Rahane, today.

Joseph Wright

@egreg No

egreg

Now I'm officially on holiday. :)

Manuel

Hello chat. Imagine I wanted to make ^ active. What would be a straightforward way of accessing, e.g., ^^@ (that TeX “superscript-superscript” notation)? Create a macro similar to \ExplSyntaxOn which changes catcodes is the first idea, but is there something possible to enclose it in a command like Here ^ is active, but \here{^^2^^9 it outputs “r y”} and here it's back active ^.

Joseph Wright

3:54 PM

@Manuel You need to make some other token catcode 7 or use \scantokens with appropriate grouping

@Manuel I've been away for a few days, but will try to come up with something about LaTeX3 plans. Might help if I know what sort of thing you are after

Manuel

@JosephWright Thanks. I will look later into \scantokens. Making other token catcode 7 wouldn't work either inside a command… if it works, then why not ^? My reason to use ^ is because I don't want to loose any other character, and ^ is the default one.

Joseph Wright

@Manuel At the document level, I'm suspicious of needing ^^X syntax at all: example?\

Manuel

@JosephWright I'm not after anything in particular, just playing a bit, and trying to understand (which I wasn't sure if it was possible). It's not needed, but I would want to keep it usable while ^ is “other” or “active”.

Joseph Wright

@Manuel Did you consider using an active ^ with a look-ahead for a second ^, which can then switch to two catcode-7 tokens stored internally?

Manuel

@JosephWright :D That means making it more intelligent that it already was... but it's great! I hadn't considered that.

@JosephWright Thank you, I will try that later. I've to go now.

egreg

4:12 PM

@JosephWright It wouldn't work; when tokens are already formed, the ^^ notation cannot be used.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Was just considering this

Joseph Wright

4:40 PM

@egreg Wicket

egreg

@JosephWright And still about 100 to do.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Yes, but probably won't enforce the follow-on even if available

@egreg bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28530721 at 17:18

egreg

@JosephWright Faith in good batting again?

Joseph Wright

@egreg The current fashion is not to enforce: this way, you are almost certain not to loose. Batting fourth, it's always possible that the wicket has got worse and you risk at least a little the possibility of loosing.

egreg

@JosephWright Or it can happen like here now: hard rain. ;-)

tohecz

5:27 PM

good evening!

egreg

Kumar was sent out a few minutes ago. Not our Kumar.

Oh, by the way I received my TeX Live DVD from TUG!

tohecz

@egreg I got it last week. Seems that Italian post is slower than the Czech one :p

egreg

@tohecz Very possible. ;-)

But last week I didn't look in my box at the office.

tohecz

@egreg and that was the mistake. Since I don't have an inbox, the officer leaves all the incoming mail on my table

egreg

@tohecz Handier!

Joseph Wright

5:35 PM

@egreg Cool

tohecz

@egreg no, not at all /whistle

Joseph Wright

@egreg What colour are the covers for the ones TUG produced? The DANTE ones are green

tohecz

@JosephWright green as well

on the other hand, I'm officially ~~home~~ officeless

egreg

@JosephWright I have yet to look! It's still in the cardboard envelope.

Joseph Wright

@tohecz I suspected this :-)

tohecz

5:36 PM

@JosephWright and I think that they come from the US in large doses, one for each European country or something like this, since the etiquette on the envelope contains some strange data

egreg

Close of play: England: 569-7 (163.4 overs) India: 323-8 (102.0 overs)

tohecz

(I don't have the CD here, so I can't provide more details just now)

@egreg if I understand it correctly, England managed to win

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Odd you got a US one: we (UK-TUG) got ours from DANTE not TUG this year. The one year they were all made in the US we had to pay VAT on delivery

@tohecz The day, yes

tohecz

@JosephWright "the day" ?

Joseph Wright

@tohecz The test is ongoing: England did well today, but that does not mean they will win the overall event

tohecz

5:38 PM

@JosephWright ah ok, it's not over yet?

Joseph Wright

@tohecz No

tohecz

ach so

egreg

@tohecz India has not yet finished their first innings. It's just day three of a five day match.

Off topic? I believe so.

0

Q: How to use line styles in gnuplot?

I am using gnuplot to plot some complicated funtions, but I can not produce many different line types. This is what described in this page and I want to make similar line styles like this picture in this website. My own codes are this: set samples 1000 # Set to get more accurate, but slo...

gnuplot

tohecz

@egreg could go to SU, but I think it's too trivial, so I wouldn't move it. @Joseph?

Joseph Wright

@tohecz I'll give the OP chance to respond first, but I agree at present it looks OT

Manuel

5:51 PM

@JosephWright That's exactly the reason why I posted (egreg's comment), I thought it wouldn't be easier. Then when you said that about it being active and I had to go, but when I was by the front door I thought “no, that doesn't work”. So… Is it possible? \scantokens? May be a \lowercase trick? If the only solution is to revert ^ to its original category code in switch that's okey, but if it's possible to put it in an argument to a macro that would be great.

Please don't touch

7:09 PM

Is it safe to always alias as follows for the sake of simplicity?

\documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
\usepackage{array,multirow}

\let\mc=\multicolumn
\let\mr=\multirow
\let\cl=\cline

\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{|*6{c|}l}
\cl{3-6}
\mc{2}{c|}{\mr{2}{*}{empty}} & \mc{4}{c|}{Primes} \\\cl{3-6}
\mc{2}{c|}{} & 2 & 3 & 5 & 7 \\\cl{1-6}
\mr{2}{*}{Powers} & 504 & 3 & 2 & 0 & 1 \\\cl{2-6}
& 540 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 0 \\\cl{1-6}
\mr{2}{*}{Powers} & HCF & 2 & 2 & 0 & 0 & min \\\cl{2-6}
& LCM & 3 & 3 & 1 & 1 & max \\\cl{1-6}

David Carlisle

7:20 PM

@Pleasedon'ttouch no

egreg

@Pleasedon'ttouch Safe, maybe; but short command names are not good in general, because they hinder legibility.

My answers are always much longer than @DavidCarlisle's

Please don't touch

7:45 PM

@egreg and @DavidCarlisle: Is there a warning if I accidentally overridden the existing macro with the same alias?

egreg

@Pleasedon'ttouch No. There would be if you did \newcommand{\mc}{\multicolumn} which is just as good.

Please don't touch

@egreg Oh. I need providelet :-)

@egreg But I have to specify the args.

egreg

@Pleasedon'ttouch Sorry? Why should you?

@Pleasedon'ttouch TeX uses macro expansion; when it finds \mc it just replaces it with \multicolumn, when \newcommand{\mc}{\multicolumn} has been given.

Please don't touch

@egreg In my understanding, with let we don't need to specify the args but if I use \newcommand then I have to specify the args , for example, \newcommand\mc[3]{\multicolum{#1}{#2}{#3}}.

egreg

@Pleasedon'ttouch Your understanding is faulty. ;-)

Please don't touch

7:49 PM

@egreg Oh. I see. :-)

egreg

@Pleasedon'ttouch There is a key difference between \let\mc\multicolumn and \def\mc{\multicolumn} (which \newcommand{\mc}{\multicolumn} eventually reduces to): in the first case \mc will get the meaning of \multicolumn at the time of \let, while in the second case \mc will expand to \multicolumn, so to whatever is the current meaning of it.

For \multicolumn it's unlikely that the meaning changes. But it's the reason why the kernel says \let\@@par\par and not \def\@@par{\par}.

Please don't touch

@egreg So let behaves like edef?

egreg

And it's the same reason why, when you want to redefine a macro in terms of itself, for changing a bit its behavior, you use \let (or better commands such as \LetLtxMacro)

@Pleasedon'ttouch No.

Christian Hupfer

Good evening

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Ciao!

Christian Hupfer

7:58 PM

Good morning, good afternoon ...

egreg

@ChristianHupfer How's the weather in the Black Forest/Schwarzwald?

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: A lot of rain, rivers flooded, but nice temperatures (about 20 degrees Celsius). And in your region (Italy, as far as I remember?)

egreg

@ChristianHupfer You know, I always teach my students to write CS instead of Cauchy-Schwarz and GS instead of Gram-Schmidt, telling them that I have a collection with scores of different spellings of those names.

@ChristianHupfer Much alike.

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: CS and GS, somehow connected, via the norm ;-)

egreg

@ChristianHupfer The worst case was when I asked a student how could she have misspelled Gram-Schmidt; she reddened and told me that her mother's maiden name was Schmidt! She was from Südtirol, German speaking.

Christian Hupfer

8:04 PM

@egreg: Well, the name Schmidt has a variety of spellings, actually: Schmid, Schmidt, Schmiedt, Schmied, Schmitt, however, the pronounciation is different too

egreg

@ChristianHupfer We also have the same name, usually Fabbri; but in my region it's usually Favaro, Favero or even Favaron (big smith). Other regions have different variants.

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: It's possibly the same confusion about (Hendrik) Lorentz and (Edward) Lorenz (Lorenz equations) and (Konrad) Lorenz, the behaviour scientist. My students are also confused and provide a multitude of spellings

egreg

@ChristianHupfer You forget Schmitz

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Are there idioms in Italian language too, i.e. (totally) different pronounciation and spellings/grammar in different regions?

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Not to mention Jordan: the French, the Scottish and the German.

@ChristianHupfer Yes, of course. The local language of Sicily can't be understood by people of Northern Italy, for instance.

Christian Hupfer

8:10 PM

@egreg: Yes, Schmitz is a variant, however, the z makes it sound differently, but the origin is from Schmied (smith) for sure

egreg

But dialects are being lost.

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Yes, the same is true for German dialects... too much of the Lutherian (;-)) standard German ;-) Whenever it's possible, I talk in my Black Forest dialect, which is not Swabian ;-)

egreg

@ChristianHupfer The dialect spoken in the province of Belluno, not farther than 100km from where I live, is almost incomprehensible, when spoken. But it has the same roots as mine.

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer standard German too is only a dialect. If they had chosen Goethe's German as standard version we'd all be speaking Saxon :)

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: I know about the standard German dialect.... Saxon? I thought Goethe was a Frankfurter? :D

egreg

8:16 PM

@ChristianHupfer A sausage?

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Ok, 100 km, that's not too far away from each other. Strange, how dialects developped

@egreg: No, not a sausage :D Goethe, the 'king' of German Literature, was born in Frankfurt

egreg

@ChristianHupfer That's the alpine part of Veneto, which explains something.

@ChristianHupfer Well, I think I've heard about Goethe, mostly in connection with Zitronen.

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Yes, that's the Lemon guy ;-) And he lived in Frankfurt until he was about 15, then he was sent to Leipzig, in Saxony, so perhaps, I adopted the Saxon dialect there? I have no idea.

egreg

Kennst du das Land, wo die Zitronen blühn,
Im dunklen Laub die Goldorangen glühn,
Ein sanfter Wind vom blauen Himmel weht,
Die Myrte still und hoch der Lorbeer steht,
Kennst du es wohl?
Dahin! Dahin
Möcht ich mit dir, o mein Geliebter, ziehn!

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer yes but Saxon was the dialect of the educated at the time. It is said that the language was one of the reasons why Goethe studied in Leipzig

Christian Hupfer

8:21 PM

@egreg: Ah, yes, the famous lines by Goethe. I once had to know them by heart in school...

egreg

@ChristianHupfer It seems he was very fond of Italy. ;-)

David Carlisle

@egreg @Pleasedon'ttouch the reason I said no was that multicolumn does change in tabularx

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: Agreed, but nevertheless, Luther as something like a half - Saxon (well, to be fair, a Thuringian) anyway, so we have basically Saxon as the German standard

Please don't touch

@DavidCarlisle OK. Thanks. I will use \newcommand from now on.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Another reason for not using the package. :P

@Pleasedon'ttouch Use \multicolumn. It's much easier.

Christian Hupfer

8:24 PM

@egreg: Yes, Goethe spent there about three years in a row on his Italienische Reise, in the years before the French Revolution took place

Please don't touch

@egreg \multicolumn is too long, it makes the code difficult to read especially for complex table.

egreg

@Pleasedon'ttouch I beg to differ.

Please don't touch

@egreg :-)

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer don't they speak Saxon (or something related) in Thüringen?

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Incidentally, Goethe's sister was married to a 'minister' of the count of Baden and lived in Emmendingen, which is not far away from here. However, she died very young, at the age of 27

@cgnieder: No, of course not. Saxon dialect is a little bit different, but there are some melting pots of that language. Don't tell a Thüringer he speaks Saxon :D Bad idea ... I have some family relationships to Eisenach, in Thüringen

@cgnieder: I am no linguist or scientist in German language, but my very excellent teacher in German at school always told us, that the Luther's dialect was somewhat Saxon and that his translation of the Bible (on the Wartburg in Eisenach ;-)) from Latin to German and consecutive printing made his German dialect spread out

cgnieder

8:35 PM

@ChristianHupfer Wikipedia says differently:

Thüringisch-obersächsische Dialektgruppe

Thüringisch-Obersächsisch ist eine Dialektgruppe des Mitteldeutschen, deren Dialekte je nach Untergruppe ursprünglich nur Thüringisch oder Meißenisch genannt wurden und heute umgangssprachlich – aber sprachwissenschaftlich falsch – auch als Sächsisch bekannt sind. Thüringisch-Obersächsisch wird überwiegend in den Ländern Sachsen und Thüringen sowie im Südteil Sachsen-Anhalts gesprochen. Außerdem ist es im südöstlichen Niedersachsen (Harz, Landkreis Osterode), im Nordosten Hessens (Eschwege, Wanfried), im äußersten Nordwesten des Regierungsbezirkes Oberfranken in Bayern (Ludwigsstadt) sowie im Süden…

that's what I meant by related

@ChristianHupfer BTW: Swabian belongs to the alemannischen Dialekten so our dialects probably are related, too :p

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: I think we are talking about two different terms: Of course there are relationships between "Thüringisch-Obersächsisch" and "Sächsisch" (which might differ in Saxony as well). I meant the Saxon language at the time when Luther lived, which was probably pronounced differently as nowadays and perhaps would not be understandable for us anyway

@cgnieder: I have no problems with Swabian: I am not a Badener :D

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer they're even closer related I guess. ;)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer @cgnieder Do you guys know Mansfeld? My hometown Zeitz is a a bit south. So what i am speaking is a mischmasch of thüringisch, sächsisch our own zeitzerisch and a bit of :

►

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Ei verbibbsch ;-)

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer that goes without saying. But spoken language is evolving, anyway. In five hundred years our German will without a doubt have changed just as much as in the last five hundred years

Johannes_B

8:42 PM

@ChristianHupfer :-)

Joseph Wright

@cgnieder I wonder what the feeling is on the influence of recording etc. on the evolution of natural languages: one for @AlanMunn.

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: 500 years? That's too much. It will have changed in 100 years almost completely. If I listen to students in school yard.... I don't understand some sentences

cgnieder

@JosephWright interesting question

@ChristianHupfer The German of 1914 is not that difficult to understand :)

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: No, I meant the change within the next 100 years, not the change in the past 500 years since Luther etc.

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer Teenagers have their own language. Must be some kind of law...

@ChristianHupfer I know, but why should it change faster in the future than it did in the past?

Johannes_B

8:47 PM

@cgnieder @ChristianHupfer Disclaimer: Only watch while drunk: youtube.com/watch?v=LoRzNFzVmJs

cgnieder

@JosephWright probably actually a question for research I could imagine

Joseph Wright

@cgnieder I suspect so: seems like an obvious question but not one with obvious answers

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: egreg told us about the natural barrier (alpine mountain range) between two towns, leaving totally different dialects, but nowadays, there is no such barrier: The internet, the social networks, smartphone, dialects vanish, words from other languages 'immigrate' very quickly. This will change style of language, words, grammar

cgnieder

@Johannes_B :)

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I was not drunk enough :D

Johannes_B

8:54 PM

@cgnieder @ChristianHupfer I watched this film with friends, lots of beer and lots of german sushi :-)

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer this sounds plausible. Nonetheless I'd like to hear what linguists know/think about the influence of globalization and how big it is. (Actually I don't care that much, I'm just curious...)

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: I am a Physicist by 'nature', so its my theory about language change...

cgnieder

@Johannes_B if the whole film is like this scene it must have been a lot of beer :p

Christian Hupfer

Perhaps my theory is as good as this one: youtube.com/watch?v=771E0aOFS4Q

Johannes_B

@cgnieder It was ;-)

egreg

8:57 PM

Another gem about university requirements for fine typography

@ChristianHupfer Sorry if I didn't write it clearly. I meant that maybe LaTeX won't let me do different line spacing or maybe it is a simple command. For the reason, It is an obligation from my university. I have to write the report with 1 line spacing in one section and with 1.5 line spacing in other sections. — Chiba 2 hours ago

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: :D, yes I considered an additional comment about that, but I thought... useless

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Unfortunately, fighting stupidity is useless.

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: Yes... When I read that, I wondered, by what rule they decide, which section should have the spacing type one and the next section spacing type two. Is it alternating? ... Typographical heresy

Johannes_B

@egreg @ChristianHupfer Someone made a mistake writing the obligations, or the reader just misinterprets them.

^^^ I still have hope.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Abandon all hope ... Dante , the poet, not DANTE, the network;-)

cgnieder

9:03 PM

@ChristianHupfer :) Maybe I ask the sprachlog people. Some of them are quite active in social media

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Possibly an introductory section with single spacing and the rest of the chapter double spaced

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer :-) BTW: Are you a DANTE member?

Alan Munn

@JosephWright @cgnieder It's a question that is definitely of interest to linguists.

Christian Hupfer

@egreg: yes, but awkward anyway

@Johannes_B: Yes, I am , you too?

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Yes, i am.

@ChristianHupfer DANTE/TUG double memebrship

Alan Munn

9:06 PM

@JosephWright @cgnieder Language change is still going on, and since it takes place relatively slowly, it's quite difficult to tell the effects of recordings on the language. But my bet is that they contribute relatively little in fact, to real language change. I don't know what the consensus view is on that, though.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Before you ask: No, I won't be in Karlsruhe on the Herbstmeeting, I have a Fortbildungsklausur in Stuttgart that weekend, regarding the new Lehrplan in BaWü

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Unfortunately, i can't make it to Karlsruhe either.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: I confined myself to DANTE, at the moment

@Johannes_B: At the moment, I have not enough time for TeX.SX as well... too much stuff at many occasions ;-)

cgnieder

@AlanMunn what about globalization? @ChristianHupfer has the theory that it has the effect of accelerating the change?

@Johannes_B @ChristianHupfer I hope I can make it to Karlsruhe. Would be the first meeting I'd attend

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: I called it a 'theory', but there might be other reasons or counter-effects too!

Johannes_B

9:12 PM

@cgnieder @ChristianHupfer There will be a meeting where we all meet. :-)

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer which is why I'm asking :)

@Johannes_B I hope so :)

Christian Hupfer

@cgnieder: Sure, but I hope, the 'irony' was transported too ;-)

cgnieder

@ChristianHupfer that's the good thing about irony: you never can be sure ;)

Johannes_B

Guys, heading home for today. Good night.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Hopefully we don't talk in TeX as well: backslash begin

@cgnieder: Correct!

cgnieder

9:15 PM

@Johannes_B Good night!

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Have a good night

Alan Munn

@cgnieder It depends on what kinds of things you consider changes. For sure globalization can introduce new words, for example, but I don't think it has much effect on e.g. local pronunciations or syntax.

egreg

@AlanMunn Even more expert in Korean.

Christian Hupfer

It's time for bed for me too. Have a nice day/good night

Alan Munn

9:33 PM

@egreg Actually not, since my diagnosis is wrong. The problem is the utf8x package.

egreg

@AlanMunn Did you see my comment? ;-)

Alan Munn

@egreg No. :) I went from tracking down the source of the problem right to here...

@egreg Now I've updated the answer. It seems that inputenc is not required at all, and in fact screws things up if there.

egreg

@AlanMunn Which shouldn't happen, I guess

@AlanMunn CJKutf8 loads inputenc by itself and, apparently, loading inputenc explicitly breaks things. Of course, \addto\extrasthaicjk{\fontencoding{C90}\selectfont} and the Korean environment are useless.

Alan Munn

10:00 PM

@egreg Yes. I never know how much of that stuff to comment on in an answer if it's not explicitly bad.