TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2014-11-25 (page 1 of 2)

3:59 AM

Good maen...

6:20 AM

@ChristianHupfer The son of Oengus Olmucaid wasn't as good as you think.

@Nick: Who? :D

@ChristianHupfer The Father of Rothechtaid. He lived a very dull life, he did.

@Nick: Yes, and in which connection did I mention one (or both) guys? :D

maen

@Nick: Oh my..... maen is an abbreviation for morning afternoon evening night ... globally valid for every time of day :D

6:29 AM

@ChristianHupfer I understood that but my knowledge of the High Kings of Ireland is so vast. I just wanted to let you know of the other meaning.

Now, onto more TeXy matters...

@Nick: You should write an essay with LaTeX on those High Kings ;-)

Question) Do I have to include the package colors, if I've already used xcolors

@ChristianHupfer Great jebus, you're a psychic.

@Nick: No, xcolor is more than sufficient

Sorry, I have to go...have a nice day

@ChristianHupfer It's weird to know that certain packages contain other packages. Is using redundant \usepackage{} bad LaTeX practice?

@ChristianHupfer You too, my friend. Have a wonderful day :D

Carpe Diem

7:15 AM

@ChristianHupfer I wasn't able to find you in my two minute search.

@Johannes_B You've got to search longer to find the one you love.

7:29 AM

@Nick I wouldn't go that far ;-)

@Johannes_B Good god man, I know this is the 21st century but not everything can be found in the production time of an unhealthy cheeseburger.

@Nick Sounds like fortune cookies

$ cookie
 _______________________________________
( A visit to a strange place will bring )
( fresh work.                           )
 ---------------------------------------
        o   ^__^
         o  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

@PauloCereda No hat, it's not me.

@Johannes_B :)

7:42 AM

@PauloCereda The library girl just walked by. Pretty pretty girl. ;-)

@Johannes_B ooh! How about getting some book from the library? :)

@Johannes_B I was born a normal cookie but I shoved that paper inside me and life seemed to have chinese meaning, but meaning nonetheless

@PauloCereda Nah, i already have the newest version of the KOMA book at home.

@Johannes_B o.O

@PauloCereda We only have one item of that book.

@Nick Kekse.

7:57 AM

@Johannes_B I am biscuit no more :D

Um guys, how do I adjust pagewidth in a latex document?

I just printed one I did recently and it was so bloody tiny. I had so much whitespace left that I raged!

@Nick The geometry package might help.

... that sounds like overkill. I have no triangles or squares in my document.

Ah! yes, documentation says the package is something totally different than what I thought.

@PauloCereda This brings me to wonder. Is tikz the only thing people use for geometry?

@Nick Damn those mistrustful cookies.

@Nick No, there are lots of alternatives. :)

@Paulo : geometry seems very complicated. I'm not good with measurements.

It will not have been immediately obvious - because it doesn't really cause any serious problems - that the default page size for all standard document classes is US letter. This is shorter by 18 mm (about 3/4 inch), and slightly wider by 8 mm (about 1/4 inch), compared to A4 (which is the standard in almost all the rest of the world).

Ah, this explains why everything was so tiny.

8:38 AM

@ChristianHupfer you haven't missed much: there's only little activity

@cgnieder This room is as active as my grandfather.

@Nick :)

@cgnieder My grandfather is dead but still gets my granny a good income.

@cgnieder : Can you tell me how to make my document more compatible with A4 paper.?

@Nick People need to wake up! Not everybody is an early bird like @PauloCereda. ;-) I've just had my juice and biscuits on the morning train, so now I can say I'm awake.

8:54 AM

@egreg Juice and biscuits on the morning train... that's somewhere I want to end up.

@Nick what do you mean by »more compatible«? \documentclass[a4paper]{article}?

or \documentclass{scrartcl}...

@cgnieder \documentclass[a4paper]{article} ... oh, that's thing?

@cgnieder what does this do?

@Nick this set's up the papersize to A4. Personally I don't like the guhge margins, though

@Nick this is the KOMA-Script equivalent of article which per default uses A4 and a little bit more European typearea settings

@egreg yay biscuits! :)

@PauloCereda: In reference to the 30 starred post in the sidebar. What have you done to be so famous?

9:02 AM

@Nick Typesetting duck, I believe. :)

@PauloCereda Does typsetting lead to animorphing into birds? I've seen a lot of birds flock in this room.

@Nick We have ducks, penguins and chickens. :)

@DavidCarlisle Nice to have some takeup on l3build

@Nick Bothered everyone else for an interview

@JosephWright Ah, so this is irony

@PauloCereda and hence my question to the cause.

@JosephWright Ouch, that hurts. :)

I'm reading about Welsh language right now: voiceless alveolar lateral fricative WAT

I'm already failing. :P

9:21 AM

Hi @DavidCarlisle Did you get a bugreport? mrunix.de/forums/…

@PauloCereda it's not that @PauloCereda, it's that everyone likes to star my comments.

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@Johannes_B no? hang on let me look at that link...

@Johannes_B lots of long words with no spaces:-) babel reports get marked as Javier responsible, so I get them but don't always look too carefully:-) (I haven't seen anything about babel/ngerman recently though, there was one about Czech - shorthands this week)

@DavidCarlisle No, haven't seen it either

@DavidCarlisle I wasn't aware that there is a babel category. But the czech is entry is not related to the german forum thread.

@DavidCarlisle You are a star monopoly, yes?

9:44 AM

@egreg: did you see we are the most talkative people in this chatroom? :)

Number of messages
Me: 65.7k
egreg: 31.1k

@PauloCereda Really? Maybe it's time to shut up. ;-)

@egreg No, it's time for us to talk more. :)

Let's see if they are using INT128 in their database. :P

@PauloCereda can you filter out football, that should bring your quotas down

@DavidCarlisle Or cricket. :)

@PauloCereda You guys definitely have posts recorded by the NSA.

@PauloCereda Sachin retired and went to football. Cricket is dead to me.

9:51 AM

@DavidCarlisle: ^^ let's kick this bloke out of this room for cricket blasphemy.

Torbjørn T.

@PauloCereda How much of that is Psmith?

@PauloCereda Sorry, I overgeneralize. The atheist can no longer be attacked by the church. Only ignored.

@Nick :)

@TorbjørnT. ooh that's true. Probably half of these messages?

@Nick Greetings to our NSA readers!

@percusse: sir online mode. :)

10:04 AM

@egreg "if the text and math font don't match (which would be a typographical error anyway)" -- do they really have to match to the extent that the glyphs are the same?

@tohecz The overall design

@egreg well, I for instance use tgheros + eulervm for slides, and I do like it (and I do know to be careful which comma is text and which is math ;) )

@tohecz A combination I'd never consider

@egreg ok, I can live with that :)

Any hint regarding this question: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/213878/…;?

10:12 AM

@s__C No; you give none.

@egreg do you see some unequal left/right margins here robjhyndman.com/research/PosterInterests_beamer.pdf? I face exactly the same problem.

testing hmarginratio=1:1 is not helping

@s__C I don't know about that, but you're giving no information whatsoever.

somewhere latex is inserting an offset in the page layout, and this can be observed independently of the document class.

If I use showframe, there will be an offset to the left in the main frame.

@s__C Could you offer a MWE? I believe it's the only way to help us track what's happening. :(

Okay I updated my post @egreg @PauloCereda

10:27 AM

@s__C not usefully though. Every question should have example code from \documentclass to \end{document} fragments and images of things that people can not reproduce are not that useful, really.

Can someone reproduce this?

% arara: lualatex
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{libertine}
\usepackage{microtype}
\DeclareMicrotypeSet[tracking]{scshape}{
  encoding = {*} ,
  shape    = {sc}
}
% if the following line is enabled small caps no longer appear (but tracking works)
% \microtypesetup{ tracking = scshape }
\begin{document}
123 foo bar \textsc{foo bar}
\end{document}

works fine with pdflatex but not with lualatex

@cgnieder I've already seen that: when microtype is used, LuaLaTeX isn't able to use small caps.

@egreg so this is a known bug?

@cgnieder A feature? :)

@DavidCarlisle now better?

Q: microtype tracking disables small caps in luaLaTeX

10:32 AM

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Normall microtype tracking loosens the tracking of small caps. However, with fontspec's \setmainfont{ebgaramond}, small caps are completely disabled and I get a loose normal text, as opposed to with the corresponding font package and normal pdfLaTeX. I want to use LuaLaTeX for some fanc...

@egreg thanks :)

@cgnieder I don't have arara installed. :P

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@PauloCereda :) use nightingale then :p

@cgnieder You naughty boy. :P

11:09 AM

Guys, can I print C++ code to my LaTeX document from an external file?

@Nick see ctan.org/pkg/listings for the most out-of-the-box solutions. There are other solutions, too, but require more setting up and stuff.

@tohecz I suck at reading big things.

@Nick it does nothing else than formatting external files. Section 1.2, paragraph Stand alone files

@Nick out of memory: \lstinputlisting[language=C++]{<filename>}

@cgnieder Ah, will <filepath> work?

11:15 AM

@Nick whatever works for \input works for \lstinputlisting

@Nick I guess it works the same as with \input. Just try it

now excuse me, I gotta go

see you later

11:35 AM

@cgnieder

It didn;t work

@s__C not much (I haven't much time today anyway so no promises I'd look in any case) but you said in the text it was a general issue that didn't need baposter but then your example document is (a) very long and (b) uses baposter class (which essentially noone will have installed as it is not on ctan) MWE stands for minimal example can you really not demonstrate the problem using a standard class, and in less than 400 or so lines of code?

@Nick so presumably you did something wrong. ask on the main site, with an example:-)

12:03 PM

@DavidCarlisle What could I have done wrong?

@Nick Put together a minimal working example (MWE) of what you did and as @DavidCarlisle says post it as a question on the main site

Here's a screenshot of the error.

@Nick You gave the path in the wrong form

\ is always an esape char

You should really avoid absolute paths, but in any case should use / as the path separator

@Nick C:/TurboC4/TC/BIN/LIBRARY.CPP

Hoooray, it works!!

@JosephWright Thank you very much. See, was it worth disturbing main about? I think not :D

Q: Specifying an absolute Windows path for \includegraphics

@Nick Would have been a dupe :-)

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I know that includegraphics can be used in Latex to include images into the document, but how can I specify a path for that file? \includegraphics[]{picture-name} Instead of asdd.jpg I want to specify C:\Documents and Settings\Nina\asdd.jpg, because that's where the image is.

graphics windows paths

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Q: Paths and Linux/Windows slash conventions

I'm working on a collaborative project and I like to organize all the supporting files for my tex documents (rather than just having everything in one flat folder). This involves referencing figures/files/etc. by a (relative) path. The difference in slash convention between linux/windows means th...

windows collaboration linux

12:08 PM

Well, atleast it's common.

(Why does searching work for everyone but me. Do search engines hate me?)

Searching is an art.

But now I've got a new issue.

The path shows up at the end of the code.

@Nick questions on the main site don't disturb anyone, people dip in or ignore as they please. Questions here Ok at times but in general are far more intrusive as the format here leads to pressure for immediate response.

@DavidCarlisle I'm just tired of having so many of my questions closed. I rarely ask questions on any main. Usually my problems are very trivial as you've seen.

@Nick If they are closed as duplicate, you got an answer, so that's Ok. It's still better than asking here in general.

@DavidCarlisle An expert in Brazilian law. You are now my official lawyer. :)

@PauloCereda I'm an expert in Brazilian law now ^^^^.

12:16 PM

@DavidCarlisle <3

@PauloCereda oops messages crossed:-)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle I know but I don't want to pollute the site with duplicates. But aren't there other reasons to close a question?

@PauloCereda You will take that back the moment you're in court.

^How do I remove that pesky path from the end of the file

@Nick yes lots such as being off topic or unclear etc, but if they are closed for those reasons don't ask here either (unless they are about cricket of course, which is off topic on the main site but a major topic here)

@Nick it's not normally there so just don't do whatever you did to put it there. It's easiest if you ask on the main site with an example that reproduces the problem.

@DavidCarlisle Birds who like cricket, Does that sum up everyone here?

@DavidCarlisle Wait, do I have to give my whole code or just the relevant parts?

12:24 PM

@Nick make a 6 line latex document that includes a 2 line c file that has an unwanted filepath at the end and post those 8 lines into a question so people can reproduce the problem. Always make it a complete document, fragments are far less useful.

@DavidCarlisle Aye Aye Captain!

@DavidCarlisle: Can you teach me how to play cricket?

@Nick @PauloCereda is the expert on the rules of cricket

@Paulo How do you a play cricket?

12:41 PM

@DavidCarlisle Gosh, I just typed all that code in when I realized that I had unintentionally set title = \lstname in \lstset{}

I'm a ghetto of trivialities.

@Nick you have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

Then when a bloke goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay all out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game. Quite easy.

@Nick 99% of the time when you force someone to make a MWE, they fix the problem themselves.

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@PauloCereda Error: Declaration ambiguous: in

@PauloCereda Error: Declaration ambiguous: out

@tohecz: blame Chomsky. :)

@PauloCereda excuses excuses

12:50 PM

@tohecz <3

:)

@PauloCereda So, to summarize, I have won this game by not entering. I can't come out if I don't go in.

@Nick No, you lose by not entering because you were already out when you should go in and vice-versa. :)

@PauloCereda Jeepers, you've found the root of the game

Haha, now everyone who clicked that link has lost.

Cricket beyond the batter and bowler seems like giant pinball.

Do people always stand out in the field like they're playing rugby in a cricket match?

1:19 PM

2:00 PM

@Nick 1970s West Indies match?

@Nick Rather unusual field setting

Q: harvard referencing footnotes?

3:14 PM

Off topic on TeX.SX?

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I have a discussion with my mate about how to reference with harvard referencing I would say it is wrong to do the referencing like in the picture below. My suggestion was that the footnotes was to explantion of synonymes or something like that and all references should be in the end of the ...

context back-referencing harvard-style

@JosephWright They seem to know pretty well where the batter will send the ball.

I hate classicthesis

3:55 PM

@egreg Can we expect the big 333,333 screenshot? :-)

@Johannes_B No, unless I do some downvoting.

@egreg: Shall we downvote you in case you are endangered to miss the 333,333 rep? :-P

And I forgot: Good maen

@Johannes_B: I found you in 10 secs... there are not many guys JB from F ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Two downvotes would be good, but the time frame for doing it is really short.

@egreg: We all work together, promised.. and @DavidCarlisle will assist too, I am sure :D

@ChristianHupfer There are quite a few guys with your name in germany.

4:09 PM

@Johannes_B: Yes, but none of them is from Black Forest :-P That's outstanding for me :D

@ChristianHupfer I don't know how to search for the place.

@Johannes_B: Just type the name of the person and the place...ok, it would not work for me :D

@ChristianHupfer youtube.com/watch?v=_gVK0K735uE

@Johannes_B: Oh my, Germany's next male top models ;-)

@Johannes_B Yes and migrated

4:19 PM

@JosephWright Thanks

@ChristianHupfer youtube.com/watch?v=yOEve_yITYA

@egreg you could always downvote me, get the snapshot and put the votes back:-)

@ChristianHupfer You need a certain level of stupidity and taste to like this.

@Johannes_B: That's my problem, I don't think I am stupid enough for this

@ChristianHupfer Banause :-)

@Johannes_B: Selber :-P

4:46 PM

Figures are not shown in rows (<- @david) Subfigures with TikZ on the same line? Two tikzpictures side by side Two diagrams side by side — Johannes_B 37 secs ago

@DavidCarlisle That would be cheating. I'll downvote you and the vote will remain. ;-)

BertS

5:09 PM

Hi everybody, I am an experienced LaTeX user, but I cannot get "perpage" to work. I must be missing something... MWE: pastebin.com/s2VtJcZ2 . Any clue?

@egreg well if I have passed rep cap you can do that (not otherwise, or I will have same problem with 222222 in a bit:-)

@BertS I think it only works with \stepcounter

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{perpage}
\newcounter{FOO}
\MakePerPage[3]{FOO}
\begin{document}

The value should be three: \theFOO
% but it shows: 0
\stepcounter{FOO}
\stepcounter{FOO}
\stepcounter{FOO}
Now it should be five: \theFOO
% it shows: 5

\newpage
\stepcounter{FOO}
And now it should be three again: \theFOO
% but it shows: 5

\end{document}

@BertS This gets mentioned in the second paragraph of the docs but only in a way that is not easy to pick up!

@DavidCarlisle Another reason for doing it!

BertS

@JosephWright Many thanks, I missed this point! and I was confused that my very basic example was failing.

@BertS I picked it up only on a careful reading

5:31 PM

How do I set the right margin of a few pages to 1cm?

Q: Change \textwidth and \textheight in mid-document

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I set my \textwidth and \textheight in the preamble and would like to change both for some pages. How can this be done? E.g., the following example for \textwidth appears to work for the page number, but not for the text: \documentclass{article} \textwidth=5cm \textheight=5cm \begin{document} A...

margins

@tohecz thanks ;D

@tohecz So, apparently latex documents aren't at all like word documents... this will really take some getting used to.

@Nick most of us here don't know what a word document looks like, so we can't answer that:-)

@DavidCarlisle ... Wow, to have gone so deep down the rabbit hole... it must be a whole new world on your end.

@Nick well to be honest I have word and use it as a reader if someone sends me a doc(x) file but I've never actually made a document in word as far as I can remember.

5:40 PM

@DavidCarlisle Pretty much my case. Actually, I open it with LibreOffice. When everything fails, I go to my Mac with Office.

@DavidCarlisle Then why the heck did you go through all the trouble of purchasing word?

@Nick I didn't (I work for a company and it came on the machine:-)

@DavidCarlisle You lucky bird.

@Nick but there is essentially nothing in common with word processing. TeX is like (or in fact is) programming, it is a typical edit/run/view/fix errors/ cycle has far more in common with writing a computer program than it does with using a word processor.

Q: Blank page disappeared between chapters after chapter 2

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I use LaTeX with the document class 'book'. I'd like a blank page between chapters but it works only after chapter 1. I've tried to force a blank page with \newpage, \clearpage and \cleardoublepage and nothing happens. How can I add a blank page? Why are they not included automatically after ch...

page-breaking

5:53 PM

@DavidCarlisle It's a markup language.. not programming language.

@Nick No. You are completely wrong.

@Nick well I've implemented an xml parser in it, people have implemented interactive games, lots of people use pgrmath to plot functions, seems like a programming language to me.

@DavidCarlisle People make games on HTML 5...There's the <canvas> tag good for plotting and drawing..that seems like a programming language to me too...but it's markup.

@Nick expl3 includes an implementation of ieee double arithmetic, in what way is implementing an arithmetic engine not programming?

@DavidCarlisle the engine isn't made with LaTeX is it?

5:56 PM

@Nick LaTeX is written in TeX.

@PauloCereda and TeX is written in ...

@Nick nonsense canvas itself is an html element so markup of a sort but it is just a placeholder to show the output of a javascript program and javascript programming is programming, but in any case the distinction is meaningless.

@Nick yes

@Nick same as pgfmath it has arithmetic, trig functions etc but they are all implemented as tex macros it is not calling out to an external math engine

@Nick TeX is a language. If you are talking about the compiler, it's written in C, IIRC.

@PauloCereda well, in WEB (which is converted to C by web2c)

@tohecz Oh true, sorry. :) What Tom said.

5:59 PM

...will sleep on it

@Nick pascal, but that's not particulary relevant as you can not access that level from tex macros.

@Nick no

@Nick Dear friend, stop saying nonsense. Please.

Okay, Okay, you've convinced me. There's no stand against it. LaTeX is a programming language.

well, neither HTML5 nor CSS3 are "just markup" anymore, AFAIK

@Nick so for christmas you get this, which is plain tex not latex, but same thing at this level:

\let~\catcode~`76~`A13~`F1~`j00~`P2jdefA71F~`7113jdefPALLF
PA''FwPA;;FPAZZFLaLPA//71F71iPAHHFLPAzzFenPASSFthP;A$$FevP
A@@FfPARR717273F737271P;ADDFRgniPAWW71FPATTFvePA**FstRsamP
AGGFRruoPAqq71.72.F717271PAYY7172F727171PA??Fi*LmPA&&71jfi
Fjfi71PAVVFjbigskipRPWGAUU71727374 75,76Fjpar71727375Djifx
:76jelse&U76jfiPLAKK7172F71l7271PAXX71FVLnOSeL71SLRyadR@oL
RrhC?yLRurtKFeLPFovPgaTLtReRomL;PABB71 72,73:Fjif.73.jelse
B73:jfiXF71PU71 72,73:PWs;AMM71F71diPAJJFRdriPAQQFRsreLPAI
I71Fo71dPA!!FRgiePBt'el@ lTLqdrYmu.Q.,Ke;vz vzLqpip.Q.,tz;

6:02 PM

@Nick: have you ever heard about Lambda Calculus?

@DavidCarlisle <3

@Nick the others in this room can probably work out the output of that without even running it, @PauloCereda can't you?

Anybody up for closing tex.stackexchange.com/questions/180856/…?

@Johannes_B Done

@DavidCarlisle 5 gooooold rings.

@PauloCereda just goes to prove how easy it is to read plain tex.

6:05 PM

@DavidCarlisle :)

@David: speaking of macros, did I tell you I managed to tackle syntactic macros? Quite pleasant result, I'd say. :)

Nine ladies dancing. Nice

@Johannes_B belly dancers, I bet!

The @JosephWright Mod Hammer :-) Thanks

@PauloCereda I hope so. :-)

@DavidCarlisle where does one even run that?

@Nick instead of pdflatex, just run pdftex on the tex-file (well, you need to copy paste davids code inside the file first).

Andrew Cashner

6:36 PM

@Nick I hope I'm not telling you things you already know, but it might help to know that TeX is an interpreted language like Perl, Ruby, or Python. The tex program interprets the program source .tex and "compiles" it to DVI or PDF depending on how the program is called.

@Nick Donald Knuth wrote tex originally in WEB, a system he invented for "literate programming" in which one writes the documentation and the program at the same time. Originally the programming part was in PASCAL, but later was ported to C. So tex itself was written in those languages, just like ruby was written in C. But now tex interprets the TeX language just like ruby interprets ruby code.

@Nick TeX looks like a markup language but is actually a macro expansion language. The LaTeX macros built on TeX happen to look a lot like HTML/XML elements but they are handled differently.

End of lecture, sorry. And others please correct me if I got that wrong.

@AndrewCashner Well this lecture has been very beneficial for me. thanks.

@AndrewCashner you got it quite right. The only thing I would add is: the TeX compilation has two phases that can't be separated: expansion and interpretation. Expansion is the "programming part", interpretation is the "typesetting part" (but even that is a big simplification)

@tohecz Great addition. :)

It's somehow similar to PostScript in this sense: you can use PS as just an interpreter of arbitrary postfix (Polish) notation language. Once only native PS instructions are left, they get interpreted.

Andrew Cashner

6:52 PM

@Nick You might find it instructive to run tex in interactive mode. In a terminal, type tex, then at the prompt type \relax. Now type Hello world \bye. tex will produce a Device Independent File called texput.dvi. Then run dvips texput && ps2pdf texput.ps and you will have a PDF.

@AndrewCashner or run pdftex from the terminal ;)

Andrew Cashner

@tohecz But interactive mode is so fun!

@Nick Try this to demonstrate TeX as programming language: \def\hello{Hello World!\ } \newcount\i \i=100 \loop \hello \advance\i by -1 \ifnum\i > 0 \repeat \bye