TeX, LaTeX and Friends

@Karl'sstudents Go into the menu “View” and activate the “Fold margin”. Perhaps change temporary to English to see this (I did so, because I guess with the German expression I would not help you). In the option dialogue you can change some settings for the “Outlining”, too.

Karl's students

3:24 AM

@Speravir Ok. I am doing it now. Thank you. It works. :D

Speravir

@Karl'sstudents Yes, but not perfectly. You be warned. :-)

Karl's students

@Speravir No problem. Just for testing... :D

Speravir

BTW: I.must.show.this:

A suggestion: Change your username to something more telling than "user1234567890". — Speravir 2 days ago

cool. thanks for the advice — user1234567890 23 hours ago

Karl's students

My display name is better than user1234567890.

Speravir

@Karl'sstudents NO! Your display name_s_ are all better than user9876543210! Means the recent and the old ones …

Karl's students

3:38 AM

@Speravir I will revert to Garbage Collector later.

Speravir

Please, do not feel hassled (I hope it’s the right word).

Karl's students

@Speravir No problem. I always take it easy. :D

Gnintendo

7:46 AM

Is there an easy way to do this, this works fine in-text:

\renewcommand{\thesection}{Article \Roman{section}}
\renewcommand{\thesubsection}{Section \Alph{subsection}}
\renewcommand{\thesubsubsection}{Subsection \arabic{subsubsection}}

but it severely messes up the spacing on the table of contents

David Carlisle

9:21 AM

@Gnintendo the normal way to do that is to put the words into the heading definition rather than into \thesection (and if you want \ref to use the words use one of the named ref packages) However if you use \protected\def\zzsection{Article }\renewcommand\thesection{\zzsection\Araboc{section} you can go {\renewcommand\zzzsection\relax\tableofcontents} to locally put it back in the toc

David Carlisle

10:44 AM

someone has seen the light: 7 hours ago undownvote What's a good editor for (La)TeX programming?

Dominic Michaelis

11:02 AM

hello

David Carlisle

hi

Dominic Michaelis

i did make my first answer on Tex SE :)

but i am not totally happy as i only fixed the error but i don't know from where the error comes

David Carlisle

@DominicMichaelis I started to look at that one (took a while to cut the example down to something reasonable:-) It's a clash in the output routine but I ran out of time checking exactly where, day job intervened:-)

Dominic Michaelis

11:19 AM

i am still trying to find the real problem

but it is really a long thing

oh the eqnarray wasn't the problem

i tried again and the problem makes a missing free line

at least you can fix it that way

David Carlisle

12:06 PM

@DominicMichaelis that is just avoiding the problem (making the page breaker be triggered somewhere else) the problem will be that the page breaker is happening inside the eqnarray and messing up the headers in koma or one of the packages loaded can not cope with that.

tohecz

12:17 PM

Hello! What is the correct way to typeset inches? I suppose $''$

Dominic Michaelis

yeah avoiding is the better word for it

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Hi Tom! :)

cough cough metric system cough cough

:)

Dominic Michaelis

the correct way is calling it cm ;)

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Yes, that sounds right

tohecz

@JosephWright thanks :)

Joseph Wright

12:20 PM

@tohecz Feet/inches look that same as minute/second symbols

tohecz

@JosephWright well, certainly " in text-mode is not the solution :p

lunchtime, later!

Dominic Michaelis

see you later

the logical "and" and "or" ar written as \wedge and as \vee, or is there a command which respects the spacing correct ?

how long dou you use LaTeX ?

tohecz

12:35 PM

@PauloCereda Not my article you know :p cough cough Italian cough cough :p

egreg

1:14 PM

@tohecz An Italian using inches? Check the numbers, they'll be wrong. :)

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Paulo Cereda

@egreg LOL

Paulo Cereda

2:07 PM

“Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live. ” – Rick Osborn

5

tohecz

2:32 PM

@egreg well, another Italian is using MSWord for a long math article. Speak about frustration: I'm not even able to understand the maths...

Paulo Cereda

68

Q: What is the advantage of using 'tar' today?

I know that tar was made for tape archives back in the day, but today we have archive file formats that both aggregate files and perform compression within the same logical file format. Questions: Is there a performance penalty during the aggregation/compression/decompression stages for using ...

"Tar and coal are used to paviment roads."

ba dum tss

cgnieder

@PauloCereda that reminds me of Doctor Tarr:

►

Paulo Cereda

2:54 PM

@cgnieder Oh my! :)

David Carlisle

3:13 PM

ooh I can't bear to run this and see what it looks like:-)

0

Q: Title over align columns

Using the align environment I have two columns, one for derivation, and another for the rule that was used to create the derivation. However I'm pretty sure that there's a better way to do this? here is what I came up with \documentclass[fleqn]{article} ... \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage[fle...

align grammar

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle lol

cmhughes

@Karl'sstudents are you the Garbage Collector/Counter Terrorist/Damien Walters/moderator in disguise?

Karl's students

3:29 PM

@cmhughes Yes. That is correct.

cmhughes

@Karl'sstudents it has been so long since you changed your name, it snuck up on me! when is the next name change scheduled for? :)

Karl's students

@cmhughes Maybe 30 days later from now I will revert to Garbage Collector. :D

cmhughes

@Karl'sstudents excellent :) btw, who is Karl? Is that your real name? Does anyone know your real name?

Karl's students

Karl is a math and chemistry high-school teacher. He used to create the graphics in his worksheets and
exams using LATEX's {picture} environment. While the results were acceptable, creating the graphics often
turned out to be a lengthy process. Also, there tended to be problems with lines having slightly wrong angles
and circles also seemed to be hard to get right. Naturally, his students could not care less whether the lines
had the exact right angles and they nd Karl's exams too dicult no matter how nicely they were drawn.

cmhughes

@Karl'sstudents not even Dr Herbert?

Karl's students

3:34 PM

@cmhughes Yes.

gekkostate

3:44 PM

Hey guys, I have quick question. I posted this question earlier (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/100928/…) but I am having difficulty inserting the gear into the chapter heading. I have managed to make it smaller and I'm trying to use titlesec but I'm getting the error "Missing number treated as zero"

Stefan Kottwitz

@gekkostate You could update your question with the code you tried

gekkostate

@StefanKottwitz I have updated the question with a MWE

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate You're using \usebox wrong.

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel How should I be implementing it?

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate Actually, there is more wrong ...

Brent.Longborough

3:55 PM

@PauloCereda Hey, you metric guys with your nanocubits per exaweek !

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel oh. This is the first time I am using tikz and titlesec

Paulo Cereda

@Brent.Longborough :)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate I have never used titlesec, but at the moment it's more a TikZ problem.

egreg

Herbert's count: 105 to go! Today might be the day!

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Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate It probably would be better to use a big gear and re-size it with \resizebox

gekkostate

3:59 PM

@Qrrbrbirlbel Okay. Is it because there is a lack of quality?

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate The rounded corners option doesn't work good for short segments.

Or, do you want to have the number in the gear or something fancy?

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel I would like to have the number in the gear, if it's fancy then it's all the better

@Qrrbrbirlbel That original idea was to have the gear behind the chapter number

Stefan Kottwitz

@gekkostate I added an answer

tohecz

@gekkostate kool idea!

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate @StefanKottwitz has approached your problem with the savebox, here's my solution with a better gear:

\documentclass[12pt]{memoir}
\usepackage{tikz}\usepackage{titlesec}
\newsavebox\gearbox
\newcommand{\gear}[5]{%
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw[ultra thick]
\foreach \i in {1,...,#1} {%
  [rotate=(\i-1)*360/#1]  (0:#2)  arc (0:#4:#2) {[rounded corners=1.5pt]
             -- (#4+#5:#3)  arc (#4+#5:360/#1-#5:#3)} --  (360/#1:#2)
};\end{tikzpicture}}
\sbox\gearbox{\resizebox{!}{2em}{\gear{18}{2}{1.6}{10}{2}}}
\titleformat{\chapter}{\Huge\bfseries}{\usebox{\gearbox}\thechapter}{20pt}{\Huge\b‌fseries}
\begin{document}

gekkostate

4:05 PM

@StefanKottwitz Thanks a lot! I'm working with @Qrrbrbirlbel to implement the code with another gear

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate Sadly, the gear solution you chose is not a closed path; at some corners the lines are not joined perfectly. If you want to use the number inside the gear, the savebox solution is more complicated than to render it everytime. (The savebox would save time, but depending on your number of chapters, you probably wouldn't have noticed anything.)

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel I have 7 chapters

@Qrrbrbirlbel And I was wondering what "fseries" was?

David Carlisle

@gekkostate bf not f bold face

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate @DavidCarlisle Ah Unicode Whitespace characters from a comment I picked up.

@gekkostate Just re-write the {\Huge\bfseries}sequence

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel What should I re-rewrite it with?

Qrrbrbirlbel

4:14 PM

@gekkostate With the same text. Just to delete the hidden characters.

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel Ahh, yes, it's gone!

@Qrrbrbirlbel So, would having the gear behind the chapter number be too cumbersome?

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate Yeah, it would involve some adjustments. My \resizeboxsolution wouldn't work.

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel I think this is a good idea, I'll just go with this. Is it possible to have another visible circle inside?

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate I would renew the \thechapter definition. Don't know how to do that with titlesec (which I have never used before).

\draw (some coordinate) circle (radius);

@gekkostate I need to go in a bit and won't come back before 2 am (UTC+1). If noone has posted an accepted solution, I may take another look at it. Though, I also would go with another gear solution …

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel I would like to have it something like this cs.cmu.edu/~junggon/tools/gear.png So could I just add another add (0:#2)?

@Qrrbrbirlbel okay, thanks a lot for your help.

Qrrbrbirlbel

4:21 PM

@gekkostate Is the filling optional? That would make it a little bit complicated.

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel That's the one for the internal radius

Qrrbrbirlbel

@gekkostate Please, add those “requests” to your question. So everyone can pitch in.

You may also browse the tikz-pgf tag and read some examples.

gekkostate

@Qrrbrbirlbel okay, I will look into that and update the question

@Qrrbrbirlbel I have updated the question, hopefully more people can jump on it! :)

David Carlisle

4:45 PM

@Qrrbrbirlbel well you could if tikz code were readable:-)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@DavidCarlisle You can choose PGF if you want. ;)

@gekkostate I'm sure in the next few hours you will see some results. Bye.

Paulo Cereda

6:50 PM

@DavidCarlisle: I bought the black coat. :) The duck one was sold out. :)

cmhughes

7:01 PM

@PauloCereda Hi Paulo, how's it going? :)

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes Hi Chris! :) I'm fine, and you?

cmhughes

@PauloCereda I'm well thanks :) Could I ask your advice about some design questions I have about indent.plx?

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes I'm not worthy! :) But fire away. :)

cmhughes

@PauloCereda you are certainly worthy :) The release of arara has really made a huge difference to the potential usefulness of indent.plx

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes /blushes

cmhughes

7:05 PM

@PauloCereda so I'm designing some switches/flags/options for the script; it seems that they could be short, such as -v, or long such as -verbose. Is there a preference? :) In particular, when designing an arara rule (which will be pivotal to the release), would you have a preference?

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes ooh an historical question! :) Let me see how I can answer it. :)

@cmhughes: when I developed arara, I decided to stick with some de facto default flags like version, verbose and log (there must be a document somewhere in the internet advocating for some common names shared amongst applications). After that, I had to choose between a POSIX and GNU implementation of the command line flags. With POSIX, You can concatenate several flags at once, say, -lv or -vl indicating verbose and log (with GNU, AFAIK, we need them separately). >>

Also, the GNU implementation approach allows long names starting with --, say --verbose --log.

For an arararule, feel free to determine your logic. :) You can use arara's natural boolean flag values to use for activating/deactivating swtiches. :)

cmhughes

@PauloCereda that's great thanks a lot :) so should I aim to have both available, both long and short switches/flags/options?

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes It's up to you. :) I always forget short stuff, so I need long options. :)

cmhughes

@PauloCereda that's fair :) would it make any difference for arara?

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes No. :)

cmhughes

7:20 PM

@PauloCereda ok, that's great, thanks Paulo! One of the (many) things I like about arara is that you can specify where you keep your own rules. Do you know what the equivalent would be in a perl script? (no big deal if not!) :)

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes Oh I'm really sorry, I'm a Perl newbie. :(

cmhughes

@PauloCereda no big deal :) I'm just wondering what I would search for- I imagine it's some kind of module? I might end up asking a question on stackoverflow, but their environment is not quite as friendly as ours :)

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes Martin is the Perl expert. :)

cmhughes

@PauloCereda Martin the moderator? :)

Paulo Cereda

@cmhughes Yep, Martin Scharrer. :)

cmhughes

7:30 PM

@PauloCereda thanks, maybe I'll try to ping him sometime :)

egreg

8:26 PM

Herbert's report: 55 to go

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh! :)

@egreg: You are the president of the 100k club, don't forget the speech! :)

egreg

@PauloCereda We're becoming a crowd!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Soon you'll be a member of the 200k club, which is even more exclusive. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda ETA: August 9. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh! :)

egreg

8:46 PM

Herbert's report: -5

Paulo Cereda

ooh!

egreg

Adnuntio vobis gaudium magnum! The highly respected user @Herbert has gained his well deserved access to the 100k club! As president of the club I'd like to congratulate Herbert for his great contribution to the TeX world.

8

We should have a party!

percusse

According to my tags, I should make the arrangements

how come?

not even beamer...

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Yay, party! :)

!!/eightball Should we have a party?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: my sources say no.

Hey!

!!/answer A good song for parties

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

translate | party | to Thai Song
(information not available)

o.O

!!/choose cake, soft drinks, beer

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: beer

^^ TEH BOT HAZ SPOKEN!

egreg

9:02 PM

@Herbert Since you're not a chat regular, I'd like to congratulate you here for your big achievement: reaching 100k rep might not mean much (it does, indeed), but at least it gives an occasion for thanking you for your big contribution to the TeX world. — egreg 2 mins ago

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texenthusiast

9:19 PM

is it possible to comment as newuser joined today like here

found it as long as the newuser comments for his questions only

@PauloCereda who is on the interview list ? any plans when ?. the whole TeX people interviews are updated

David Carlisle

9:41 PM

@texenthusiast @PauloCereda's previous excuse for not being the next victim was that he wanted to release arara first, but that excuse isn't available any more so I think it's time to drag him to the gallows^H^H^H^H^H^H^H interview room

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle arara is really a great success also

Paulo Cereda

10:12 PM

@texenthusiast I need to find a good name. :)

texenthusiast

As @DavidCarlisle suggested you may not find better than you :)

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast We could interview him again. :)

!!/eightball Should I be interviewed?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: reply hazy, try again.

Gnintendo

ungh

I'm having some trouble with \ref and counters. I have some un-numbered sections (eg, \section*{blah})

but I'm progressing the counter manually

however, now I can't use \ref{} to grab the number of the counter T.T

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo why:-) But you probably want to use \refstepcounter

Gnintendo

because I'm silly

David Carlisle

10:22 PM

@Gnintendo good reason (but still use \refstepcounter)

Gnintendo

hm

I must be doing this wrong still

\ref still giving me ??

\newcommand{\myarticle}[1]{
%\stepcounter{section}
\refstepcounter{section}
\phantomsection
\label{sec:\arabic{section}}
\addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Article \Roman{section}. #1}
\section*{Article \Roman{section}. #1}
}

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo what even if you re-run latex?

Gnintendo

I'm going to give an additional meaningful label in the \myarticle{} definitoin

yeah

but so I have that, and I was trying to \ref{sec:2}

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo people who generate labels like \label{sec:\arabic{section}} should be forced to use Word.

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle That's just temporary until I enter all the real labels

(that's for automatic creation for testing)

@DavidCarlisle I think I got it working now, though

David Carlisle

10:26 PM

@Gnintendo :-) (you might be forgiven, perhaps)

Gnintendo

:P

@DavidCarlisle Is there a text primitive for going from number -> capital Letter

?

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo \Alph (well it's a latex macro not a primitive)

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle Is there a way to make that work in my ref

Missing \endcsname inserted

(same with \Roman)

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo they take latex counter names \Alph{section}

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle right, but the counter won't be accurate when I'm referencing a counter

right?

David Carlisle

10:30 PM

@Gnintendo wrong?

Gnintendo

\Alph{\ref{sec:2}} gives the \endcsname error

I couldn't just to \Alph{section} because that would give the wrong number

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo \ref{sec:2} isn't a latex counter name

Gnintendo

Right, but I'm saying I can't use the counter name because it would have the wrong number in it (it would be, say, 7 in this case instead of 2)

so how do I get what I want?

:<

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo the normal way is to say \renewcommand\thesection{\Alph{section}} then \ref{sec:2} will be B

egreg

I did my first longtable with datatool (for the GuIT forum). :)

David Carlisle

10:34 PM

@Gnintendo That is, it is possible to make things different, but the design of latex is that \ref stores the print form of the reference not the internal number

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle thanks, that's what I wanted

David Carlisle

@egreg with multicolour tikz headers and vertical lines?

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle Right, that's the whole reason I was making the document like I had above

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Just some \hline. :) Strangely, I found no bug.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh! Now let's wait for @David to use imakeidx. :)

David Carlisle

10:36 PM

@egreg use some soul letterspacing in the headline:-)

Gnintendo

are you familiar with autoref

I'm about to give up on attempting to rename it

no matter what I do it seems to still be spitting out "section"

I did \def\sectionautorefname{Article}

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo which package ?

Gnintendo

hyperref

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo oh that:-)

Gnintendo

Instead of \hyperref[art:officers]{Article \ref*{art:officers}}

I'm trying to just do \autoref{art:officers}

but it keeps printing out "section blah"

David Carlisle

10:50 PM

@Gnintendo it's set in \def\HyLang@english{% so you probably need to get the timing right (setting it after begin{document} probably isn't the documented way but probably works (haven't looked at the hyperef documentation for a decade or two:-)

Gnintendo

:<

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

I'm trying to update a texlive installation and tlmgr dies with:

> Can't locate object method "_value_pkg" via package "TeXLive::TLPDB" at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLPDB.pm line 1979.

Google does not help me at all. Any ideas?

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle yep, throwing it after \begin{document} worked

T.T

Paulo Cereda

@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Windows, Unix?

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

unix

Fedora/18 up-to-dateish

Paulo Cereda

10:52 PM

ooh a fellow Fedora user! :)

I had a similar problem in my Windows machine; I tried later on and tlmgr worked like a charm. I believe is a temporary issue with the mirrors.

In Unix, I never had a problem

texenthusiast

@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Hope you had updated tlmgr along with TL updates with -self flag

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

this bug is in the installation scripts

a silly typo, afaict

makes me wonder how the script got tested before being uploaded :-)

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle hmm, is there an easy way to also make it find the thing above it

like when I ref section blah to say "Article blah, Section blah"

instead of also having to look up the label for the article

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

The line

1979: my $ret = $self->_value_pkg($pkg, "setting_", $key);

should be

1979: my $ret = $self->_get_value_pkg($pkg, "setting_", $key);

that's at install-tl-20130315/tlpkg/TeXLive/TLPDB.pm

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda vvvvv

yes lots, your texmaker ide may have something built in (I wouldn't know) or several tools latexmk, arara, rubber, ... I'll ping the author of arara who's lurking in the chat room.... — David Carlisle 20 secs ago

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

11:02 PM

who does one report bugs in the installer to?

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle Damn it T.T

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh I'm gonna hide! :)

Gnintendo

defining my sections like "\mysection{Executive Committee\label{sec:execcommittee}}" does't put the label in the right place for the \autoref to use the name for the subsection instead of section

T.T

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

hm, there is no contact email address in the install-tl-unx.tgz file :-/

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle Where do I need to put the label to make this work?

Paulo Cereda

11:06 PM

@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez tug.org/texlive/lists.html

The tex-live ML seems the most appropriate one. :)

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo hyperref has lots of code hooking into the standard latex section hierarchy if you are adding a new non standard level you'd have to repeat the hyperref hooks, but it's simpler to use the normal commands. I'm not sure I understood your \myarticle code above seemed to be too many section and phantomsection and label commands for me to take in:-)

Gnintendo

"Keep in mind that the \label must be placed inside an environment with a counter, such as a table or a figure. Otherwise, not only the number will refer to the current section, as mentioned above, but the name will refer to the previous environment with a counter. For example, if you put a label after closing a figure, the label will still say "figure n", on which n is the current section number."

what the hell how do I make my code do that

pretend I can put this label wherever I need to, how do I make it do that ^:

\newcommand{\mysubsection}[1]{
\refstepcounter{subsubsection}
\phantomsection
%\label{art:\arabic{section}:\Alph{subsection}:\arabic{subsubsection}}
\addcontentsline{toc}{subsubsection}{Subsection \arabic{subsubsection}: #1}
\subsubsection*{Subsection \arabic{subsubsection}: #1}
}

David Carlisle

\subsubsection*{Subsection \arabic{subsubsection}: is just so wrong why use * form then put the number in by hand and then have to add to the toc and basically everything else that the * stopped?

also why is my subsection using the subsubsection counter? Perhaps I'm just confused:-)

Mariano Suárez-Alvarez

titlesec might be helpful in doing what you are trying to do, @Gnintendo

\label{art:\arabic{section}:\Alph{subsection}:\arabic{subsubsection}} is also very very weird :-)

it sort of completely anihilates the idea of labels!

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo well you are defining a section-like thing so the quote about enviornment form isn't relevant.

Gnintendo

11:29 PM

what in the crap

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda has anyone contacted TeXmaker author to include arara by default, although i know we can do it ourself using User Commands

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast I still have a few emails to send, but for now my top priority is MiKTeX.

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle but where in the heck do I put the label to make it grab the correct thing? T.T

\newcommand{\myarticle}[2][art:\arabic{section}]{
\refstepcounter{section}
\label{art:#1}
\phantomsection
\addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Article \Roman{section}. #2}
\section*{Article \Roman{section}. #2}
}

that causes \autoref to get the right thing for whether or not it's an article/etc

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda ok i understand, i will try to send a feature request may be, but author always recommends not to customize unless there is major demand. Now that there are good chunk of people using arara with TeXmaker, it's time. its very foolproof cross-platform and scalable tool

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle now I have:

\newcommand{\mysection}[2][art:\arabic{section}:\Alph{subsection}]{
\refstepcounter{subsection}
\label{sec:#1}
\phantomsection
\subsection*{\textit{Section \Alph{subsection}: #2}}
\addcontentsline{toc}{subsection}{\textit{Section \Alph{subsection}: #2}}
}

that also causes \autoref to get the correct thing for it

Paulo Cereda

11:38 PM

@texenthusiast Thanks for the kind words. :) Still, I would like to play it safe for now. :)

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle but, now it won't get the correct NUMBER it

it keeps returning 2

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda ok, all the best

Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast Thanks. :) I'm still scared with the number of people trying arara. :)

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda obviously there will be resistance from newusers, as time proceeds people jump in and you will become a rockstar, the concept of %comment to pass options is a double edged sword

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle Weirder still, it always links to the correct one, but is grabbing the wrong counter

Paulo Cereda

11:44 PM

@texenthusiast The bigger the userbase, the more feature requests and bugfixes I have to work with. :) I think the idea of exploiting comment metadata is interesting, but of course there are some shortcomings of this approach. :) I have a crazy idea for v4, but I might discuss it first with my core team - then we might become rockstars. :)

Gnintendo

no matter where I use \autoref, it produced "Section B" no matter what

(if I use it on a section)

but it links to the correct non-B section

what the hell O.O

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda there is always a compromise between feature request and simplicity, too much automation is not good for either user or developer in my view.

Gnintendo

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Paulo Cereda

@texenthusiast You are right. :) Even with automation, user has to be in control of the steps.

@Gnintendo Per omnia saecula saeculorum. Amen.

texenthusiast

@PauloCereda :)

Gnintendo

11:53 PM

OK, so when I reference any section

it's always 2

no matter what

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo what's \thesubsection ?

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle that's not even my problem, anymore, I found: it's just that \ref isn't actually grabbing the right section at all

for some reason that I cannot figure out, it always returns 2 no matter where it's used or what it's used for

(but it links to the correct thign)

thing*

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo well it would do that if \thesection was 2, what's the aux file have for those labels?

texenthusiast

I have one idea for questions posted here: if its implemented, A single liner comment is enough to resolve them.

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo you can edit the previous comment it's not like irc where typos live forever:-)

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