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4:00 PM
the radius is $\epsilon c^*$
The $\|\cdots\|_1$ norm is the summation of the entries absolute values
 
Now, I created another cute version of the previous series, namely $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\cos(n)}{n^2 2^n } $$
This is deadly I think.
 
Polylogarithm still covers it :)
 
@MickLH true :-)
 
4:16 PM
:D
Check this out, you can write any conditional from programming using a polynomial: math.stackexchange.com/questions/755966/…
 
boo!
 
I need to speed up my higher brain with some dea. Dring som dea!!!
bobbles head
 
what's @enjoysmath smoking today?
 
Data envelopement analysis? Or a typo for tea?
 
I smoke ne thang I find on duh groun.
 
4:21 PM
@EnjoysMath sounds bout right
@EnjoysMath let's talk about the possibility of infinite parallel universes
 
okay, they're definitely there and let me tell you why. Because when we dream we effectively simulate these other worlds and take measurements of points in those abstract mathemetical spaces with our bwains!
 
I have to butt in, and say that I have a different mental implementation of this concept which precludes the existence entirely
 
If we could calculate far enough we could take measurements of any abstract world and show that there's life inside, if the world is conducive to life like us
 
These "parallel universes" are actually just a part of our universe
 
@EnjoysMath what kind of capabilities are we missing that could allow is to get a glimpse of these alternate universes? could we ever physically reach them?
 
4:25 PM
phsychedelics$\bullet$
 
@MickLH how so? if they do not intersect with our reality at all?
 
@meer2kat The possibility to observe them in any way shape or form is their intersection with our reality
Therefore they are part of our observable universe
 
@MickLH touche. in that case could we ever actually prove their existence?
 
I believe not as that would be observing them
 
No, we observe the by calculating local states of the abstract space
 
4:26 PM
@MickLH exactly. so why do believe so badly that they exist?
 
does P = NP ?
 
I'm so thankful to God that such amazingly beautiful things are possible. They give a meaning to my life :-) $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\sin(n)}{n 2^n}=\frac{1}{2} + \arctan\left(3 \tan\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)\right)$$
5
 
By that I mean, even if we can prove we've done everything we can, how would we know what we could do if we could do what we can't do?
 
@MickLH probably not
 
For instance $\Psi_i (t) = 1 f_{0,i} + tf_{1,i} 2t^2f_{2,i} \pm \dots$
 
4:28 PM
..
 
that's one "pixel" in the local view of their universe
 
@MickLH thats confusing hahaha!
@EnjoysMath who is "their"
another question, would their universe follow the same rules as ours?
 
@EnjoysMath If you consider information to be part of the physical universe, then you've just ripped a portal open hehe
 
@MickLH blue or orange?
 
Lol I really like orange, but my better senses are telling me that I should really consider blue before deciding
 
4:31 PM
@MickLH i mean about the portal
@MickLH side note, orange is the best color high five
 
@meer2kat ^5
 
that's funny @meer2kat your avatar is blue + orange
 
@EnjoysMath so are the portals
 
Se we have to go inside @meer2kat to get to the other universe?
 
there's worm hole in der watch out!
 
4:33 PM
@DanielFischer Umm, no
 
lol please answer the whole site, just real quick, there's good rep in it for you!
 
@robjohncleese?
 
@robjohn ?
 
..
 
4:37 PM
@Victor what?
 
@Victor What about the other basics? are you asking for those or what?
Like the chain rule
 
im confused about his question
 
@DanielFischer that didn't ping...
 
lol! I think many do, but I believe the precise location of it is a seriously polarized topic
 
@MickLH - I think the chain rule are for derivative
 
4:39 PM
great, now the flags are gonna start...
 
@Victor what exactly is your question?
 
@robjohn nah people are pretty easy going in here arent they?
@Victor i see that. i don't understand what you are asking for. like the second fundamental theorem?
 
>_>
<_<
 
@enjoysmath i can't tell if you're a druggie, insane, or both :P
 
4:41 PM
you're a druggie I can tell. You're also psychotic, which is cool cuz I am too!
 
:D
 
@EnjoysMath i'm psychotic but not a druggie :P
 
x-druggy, ic... writes stuff down
 
@EnjoysMath ahahahahahh!
 
@meer2kat the actual pratical technue
 
4:43 PM
I have dedicated my life to learning to do integrals the way Mathematica does them
 
@Victor are you looking for theorems or alternative ways to solve problems?
 
alternative ways to solve problems
 
@Victor yes, but if you always have to use the chain rule while differentiating, that should give you some information about what you'll always have to do on the other side
 
Listen to this entire playlist if you like great music: youtube.com/watch?v=nabO_UXb6MM&list=RDnabO_UXb6MM
 
@meer2kat It depends. We've had some people who like to flag a lot. I think right now, the atmosphere is pretty laid back.
 
4:46 PM
@MickLH How?
 
I can deal with some pysychic pain... if it'll slow down my higher brain
 
i'm limited to two links. some of the reputation rules make me really sad.
@EnjoysMath oh snap, he's dr. seuss now guys
 
that's Elliott Smith, babe
 
@EnjoysMath :P
 
Dr. Seuss is blocks in clocks in socks and cox
 
4:47 PM
@EnjoysMath Cox Cable? :P
 
@Victor I don't know what to say, I've heard most people just call it the reverse chain rule
That question is really interesting, but I think it's too subjective to go anywhere
 
@MickLH is what he is doing actually multi-variable? in that case, he should hust read a bunch of books.
 
If there was just some simple sure fire algorithm for integrating anything, I think this room would not be nearly as much fun
 
He should use Integrationes de Lebesgue.
 
@EnjoysMath sounds fancy schmancy
 
4:50 PM
I can't believe that this is one of the emoticons for Skype:
 
@MickLH but really though.
 
Enough of that
 
@robjohn nothing's showing
oh
 
hahaha that's fucking brutal
 
@robjohn that's made for the college kids XD
 
4:50 PM
they're just purging
 
@robjohn saturday mornings, man
 
reminds me I need to clean up my bathroom because I had drunk-asses over recently
 
When I saw that I really wondered who was working there
 
@robjohn the liberal arts majors
 
also reminds me I'm a moron because I just had people over cleaning a day or so ago
 
4:52 PM
@meer2kat you sound like Sheldon Cooper...
 
@robjohn XD best compliment all day
@MickLH derp
 
I love being a guy and having 2 bathrooms though :D It's like the dirty one isn't even dirty
 
@meer2kat yes, let's denigrate mentally challenged people shakes head
:|
 
@EnjoysMath <3
 
don't ball sack me, bro
:D
 
4:56 PM
@EnjoysMath it's a heart :P
@EnjoysMath oh my
 
^_^
 
alright time to go watch furnace automation.
bye guys
 
sounds like a real hoot
not
:X
 
yeah stay lol, we can talk about PID controllers too that's fine (actually don't let me distract you from work lol)
 
@Chris'ssis: I really think you should use the avatar I made for you. Your IP changes constantly, changing your avatar....
 
4:57 PM
or fuzzy controllers
 
That sounds more fun but I never see them in practice -_-
I basically never even see application of optimal control theory
Just a "good enough" PID controller and that's it :/
 
..
 
@robjohn ca I use a logo like the one from superman/supergirl, whatever?
 
@Chris'ssis You should use a mean square. Or your own pic :D
 
just kidding, no misleadingly ambiguous comment here
 
@Chris'ssis Why aren't you using it already! do it!!
 
@MickLH Won't it be nice if she uses her own pic :D
 
Yeah but it will be sortof like Mohammad
I think the superman emblem captures the essence of that mind bending class of problems she posts so often
 
@Chris'ssis I don't see why not...
 
@robjohn I'm done.
hmmm ...
 
5:04 PM
@Chris'ssis I think you have to point your chat profile at your mathematics profile again to make it copy everything again
Either that, or it just takes a long time for the network servers to sync up
I mean, they do run on microsoft, so relentlessly give them unreasonably long and intense breaks habitually (if you value your sanity)
 
@MickLH I think I have to wait for a while.
 
I think everyone in this channel is arguably a druggie because pure math is the ultimate mind altering substance for effectively abstracting your consciousness away from reality
 
5:19 PM
@Chris'ssis I refreshed your chat info from your math info. Your avatar should be updated
 
@robjohn Thanks. Everything is fine now.
@robjohn have you seen the last series I created? I think it's really awesome.
 
I had just finished this i.stack.imgur.com/TRdPD.png when I saw you already had it :-)
 
@robjohn What a great picture! I think it definitely represents me. :-)
 
@Chris'ssis I see you took the whole image. I trimmed out jut the center 1024x1024 square
@Chris'ssis the system trims it pretty well
 
@robjohn Yeah.
@MickLH Maybe, but keep in mind it's also about giving a lot of pleasure, it's a way of eating a good quality chocolate with your mind (if I can say that). :-)
 
5:27 PM
Perfect :)
I completely agree, and this supports my views because I view food as a "drug" also
One that the vast majority of us are so physically addicted to, we would die in weeks without
 
Yeah. :-)
 
But I do not believe that makes the vast majority of us druggies, I see the math crowd specifically as such because they are interested in their drug, study it religiously, and optimize the mental effects of it at all costs
 
Let $x,y,z>0$,and such $$4\le x+y+z\le 5$$

show that
$$\dfrac{x^2}{y}+\dfrac{y^2}{z}+\dfrac{z^2}{x}\ge 4+(x-y)^2$$
 
5:59 PM
For $\prod_0^\infty (1+x^{2^n})$, although it's possible to multiply both sides by $1-x$, it seems nicer to solve it by noting that each nonnegative integer has a unique binary representation.
 
@DanielFischer Let $\varphi: \mathfrak A \rightarrow \mathfrak B$ be a $^*$-isomorphism (not necessarily isometric) and $A \in \mathfrak A$, and $\sigma(A)$ the spectrum of $A$. Then $\sigma(A) = \sigma(\varphi(A))$, correct?
Because if $A-\lambda I$ is invertible iff $\varphi(A-\lambda I) = \varphi(A) - \lambda(\varphi I)= \varphi(A) - \lambda I_{\mathfrak B}$ is (coming from the fact that $\varphi$ is a $\ast$-isomorphism)
(i.e., if the latter had an inverse, it would give me an inverse of $A - \lambda I$, and vice versa)
I don't see anything wrong with this argument but I don't trust myself to even the most obvious facts
 
@Mike You should. =D
 
@Sawarnik Hint ?
 
@GabrielR. Ah, I don't have one. Its a question with an open bounty ;)
 
6:09 PM
@GabrielR. I posted above a series you might like.
 
@Chris'ssis do you know its sum?
 
@GabrielR. $$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\sin(n)}{n 2^n}=\frac{1}{2} + \arctan\left(3 \tan\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)\right)$$
It's a marvellous gem.
 
@Mike Start trusting yourself a little. I have seen you being right more than once.
 
@Chris'ssis By what means do you find it? Off the cusp I would look again for Fourier series, or use summation by parts
 
@GabrielR. This was possible due to personal research in area of series. I might guess there can be employed more ways.
 
6:16 PM
At least twice, then, @DanielFischer. Thanks. I'm overly cautious when I'm working with stuff that's fundamentally new to me, since I'm prone to making errors, and I don't want my formative moments to give me the wrong ideas.
 
@GabrielR. I can tell you now that I didn't use Fourier series.
 
@Chris'ssis what about summation by parts?
 
@GabrielR. go ahead. It might work.
 
@Mike Being cautious is good. Asking for confirmation too. But when you looked over your argument a couple of times, and it still looks good, start thinking it is probably right.
 
True.
I kind of like how much the author leaves to the reader in this book (C* algebras by example). It's not too much, but oftentimes his equalities leave some explanation to be desired; and it's not all too difficult to explain them.
 
6:21 PM
I think that's the delicate balance of a good book
Full of factual information but still interesting
I am fortunate enough to find dry technical documents highly interesting :)
Although the trade-off is that I've never been "sucked in" to a novel and believe it might be impossible for me
 
herro
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Q: Any problem computable in $k$ memory slots can be computed with polynomials.

Enjoys MathLet our memory slots be represented by elements of $\Bbb{Z}_p$ for a prime $p$. $k$ memory slots would be $k$ copies of the ring: $R = (\Bbb{Z}_p)^k$. Suppose that for a problem $f : X \to Y$, there are $X \xrightarrow{\phi} R \xrightarrow{\psi} Y$, each map computable in $O(|x|)$ time for eac...

I think it's an interesting approach. Lemme know what you all think
 
@Chris'ssis Fourier Series + summation by part kill it!
 
@GabrielR. Glad to hear that!:-) Did you get the result by that way?
 
Any one could give a reference to the formula in an answer? "The series (in $\log n$ and $\log\log n$) of $\pi(n)/n$ is known, although I believe it's a divergent expansion. It's been known since the 18th century."
 
6:37 PM
@Victor I'm not gonna look at it, but you might check the wikipedia and MathWorld articles for the prime number theorem - both certainly have better asymptotics than $n/\log n$
 
@Chris'ssis yes, it was very intuitive to do so because you choose $1/2^n$ and $1/2^{n+1}-/2^n$ happens to not depend on $n$!!! And it also happens that $\pi-x) /2$ has a nice Fourier series
 
6:51 PM
In fact, it's $$\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{\sin(n)}{n} \zeta(n)$$
(I initially started from $n=1$ that was obviously wrong)
 
7:14 PM
I've always heard that function called sinc
 
@DanielFischer How do we define the real part of an element of a $C^*$ algebra? $\frac{A+A^*}{2}$, and similarly for the imaginary part?
 
Hi, any people could input $\int \pi(x)dx$into wolfram alpha where pi(x) stand for the prime number counting function?
 
@Mike I wouldn't usually call it the real or imaginary part, but yes, that's how one defines these interesting components of $A$.
 
@Victor Mathematica says: $\int \pi (x) \, dx$
lol
Hey, if you accept the integration operator, it's a closed form solution!
 
@DanielFischer Thanks.
@DanielFischer Yikes - "It's a well-known ring-theoretic fact that..."
 
7:18 PM
@Mike well, is it?
 
It's not well-known to me!
 
@MickLH - So it still have the integral sign in its answer, right? pretty interesting!
 
@Mike And what fact is that?
 
(It's $\sigma(AB) \cup \{0\} = \sigma(BA) \cup \{0\}$; I didn't even know this was ring-theoretic. It's probably some rephrasing of a theorem I know.)
I'll work it out over lunch.
 
@Victor Lol what I find more interesting, why does $\int_0^n \pi (x) \, dx$ yield prime numbers so often when $n\in \mathbb{N}$
 
7:22 PM
..
 
@MickLH How come it happens?
 
I'm pretty sure it's just luck
but I haven't studied it, so I really don't know
 
7:38 PM
@robjohn if my assessment is correct, $$\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{\sin(n)}{n} \zeta(n)$$ diverges.
Mathematica seems in trouble when computing the partial sums for larger values like $N=10^4$.
 
7:54 PM
I need to check all again.
 
@Chris'ssis When did you become superman?
 
@WillHunting Not a superman but a supersis. :-)
 
@Chris'ssis $\zeta(n)$ is monotonically decreasing. $\frac1n$ is monotonically decreasing. $\sum\sin(n)$ is bounded. Use Dirichlet to show that it converges.
 
@Chris'ssis That's what you say. What says Chris?
 
@robjohn arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That is the proper tool!
@robjohn let me see what I did wrong in my way (I felt something is wrong).
 
7:59 PM
@MattN. gone
 
Bye everyone...Will meet you tomorrow...
 
@Daniel It turns out it's an exercise in the same chapter, whose proof is tedious algebra.
 
@Mike Yes, I wish I knew a cool elegant proof of that.
 
@DanielFischer Let me quote you: "I don't remember. I don't recall. I have no memory of anything at all." No, I don't remember Chris's opinion on the matter. :-)
 
@Chris'ssis So Chris doesn't publicly disagree. I think we can accept it then.
 
8:04 PM
@robjohn I scream here I missed the test ... :-))))
 
@robjohn Thank you. You're fast!
 
@DanielFischer :D
 
@Chris'ssis Rather, supergirl
 
@WillHunting A any rate, that "S" is really enchanting. :-)
 
@Chris'ssis Yes, as enchanting as an ass, lol
 
8:08 PM
@WillHunting lol :-))))
 
Asses are useful and clever animals.
 
Especially when they kick because they don't miss?
 
Daniel is always coughing, lol
 
Unlike horses who just kick without aiming properly?
@WillHunting ?
 
@MattN. Well, look at his picture!
 
8:11 PM
Oh. Right.
 
Not only does 12+1=11+2, but the letters “twelve plus one” rearrange to give you “eleven plus two.
What is this sorcery
 
Who knows.
But I'm off. Be seeing you!
 
@robjohn Now I see where I did the mistake.
 
8:26 PM
Does there exist poly $p(a,b)$ such that $(p(a,b))^k = a^k + b^k$, for all $a,b \in \Bbb{Z}_p, p$ prime?
 
I wonder how you come up with so many questions @EnjoysMath
 
Ah, I only do seaweed lol
 
You choose a problem, and work on all the subproblems to solve it, that's where they come from
 
Well said
 
8:28 PM
the subproblems of course grow exponentially
 
meer2kat left early today
WTF?
 
:D
jesus mon
 
I think you must be on _____
 
Hi
What is the subset of of the invertible matrix $$A = \bordermatrix{a & b \cr b & a \cr}$$
$A=\begin{bmatrix}a & b\\b & a\end{bmatrix}$
 
@DanielFischer How weird that people only upvoted your answer? =)
That is one of the things I hate about this site
 
8:42 PM
@Chris'ssis are you sure that the $\frac12$ is not a $-\frac12$?
 
@robjohn Oh dear, that number looks familiar, lol
 
$$
\begin{align}
\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{\sin(n)}{n2^n}
&=\mathrm{Im}\left(\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{e^{in}}{n2^n}\right)\\
&=\mathrm{Im}\left(-\log\left(1-\frac{e^i}{2}\right)\right)\\
&=\arctan\left(\frac{\sin(1)}{2-\cos(1)}\right)
\end{align}
$$
@Chris'ssis which is $1$ less than your answer
 
@robjohn I think my answer is correct.
 
so if the $\frac12$ was $-\frac12$ it would be right
@Chris'ssis Have you tried it numerically? Even just looking at the first few terms, I get something closer to $0.5$ than $1.5$
 
@robjohn oooooo, yes.
 
8:46 PM
@Chris'ssis Mathematica agrees numerically with my answer
 
@robjohn I also checked that, but ...
 
@robjohn The conclusion is that robjohn is always right =)
 
@WillHunting Nah! There have been many cases where CS has prevailed.
 
@daniel I guess that was a lhf for you, lol
 
@robjohn Very good job there! Thanks for the solution and that point.
 
8:50 PM
I should answer some more questions. I have only answer a couple today.
 
I should retire and delete my account soon, lol
 
@WillHunting Not again... I think it would be good for you to keep on going.
Deny the impulse to retire!
 
OK, OK
 
@robjohn $-\frac 1{12}$ you say?
 
@Mike pardon?
 
8:57 PM
ah, I misread
 
@Chris'ssis: have you seen this question? It looks like something at which your problem creation talents would excel.
 
@robjohn Thanks, but I don't think I have a talent. It's just because I worked a lot ...
 
Of course... I want to start working on some questions, and my son wants to go to lunch. I guess I am not destined to answer many questions today.
BBL
 
I'm trying to make an algorithm for finding $log_a(b)$ where $a, b\in\mathbb{Q}$ as a value in $\mathbb{Q}$, if there's no such number, abort to an approximation algorithm.
Anyone knows an algorithm that can find answers in \mathbb{Q}, the one I found only finds answers in \mathbb{N}
 
factor $a$. the exponents in the prime factors will tell you which $n$th roots are rational. one such $n$ will be maximal; store $n$ and take the $n$th root: call it $r$. the perform your algorithm for $\log_r(b)$
if you don't want to factor your rationals then yolo
 
r9m
9:18 PM
$$\displaystyle \sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty}\dfrac{1}{\prod\limits_{k=0}^{n}\bigg( (2+\sqrt3)^{2^k} + (2+\sqrt3)^{-2^k}\bigg)}$$
 
yaaaaaaay, prime factorization...
 
Presumably you weren't hoping for polynomial running time :D
 
I don't know what I was expecting.. but it would have been nice..
 
No, but I'n sure there are better algorithms for figuring out if an integer is an $n$th power. Bound $n$ above by $\log_2(a)$ and check for each $n$
 
9:26 PM
If you know any, tell me plz
 
@r9m $$\displaystyle \sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty}\dfrac{1}{\prod\limits_{k=0}^{n}\bigg( (2+\sqrt3)^{2^k} + (2+\sqrt3)^{-2^k}\bigg)}=2-\sqrt{3}$$
 
What algorithm should I implement, General number field sieve is only the fastest for numbers larger than 100 digits. What's the fastest for smaller numbers?
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis awesome !! .. how did you do it ? :D
 
@r9m I thought of Egyptian fractions
 
@Darksonn In terms of what's most efficient, I definitely don't know. The thing I described would probably end up getting you something in polynomial time.
For numbers that small? You might honestly just factor.
 
r9m
9:34 PM
@Chris'ssis I dont follow :'(
 
@DanielFischer I'm reviewing my notes and I see the claim that it is possible in a metric space for the unit open ball to have multiple centers and multiple radius (ie different centers/radius may define the same unit ball). Isee examples of different radius that yield the same ball (discrete metric) but I cannot find for different centers...
 
@Mike I'm not exactly sure what you meant with Bound $n$ above by $\log_2(a)$ and check for each $n$
 
@GabrielR. In an ultrametric space $B_r(x) = B_r(y)$ for all $y\in B_r(x)$. If you take an ultrametric space where the set of possible distances has only $0$ as an accumulation point - say $\mathbb{Z}$ with a $p$-adic metric - you get both.
 
@DanielFischer what a curious space! thanks
@DanielFischer is actually $B_r(x) = B_r(y)$ for all $y\in B_r(x)$ the definition of an ultrametric space ?
 
@GabrielR. The definition (that I work with) is that $$d(x,z) \leqslant \max\{d(x,y),d(y,z)\}$$ for all $x,y,z$.
 
9:49 PM
@Darksson Let's say you have an algorithm that checks if $a$ is a perfect $n$th power (for some fixed $n$). Use this algorithm for all $2 \leq n \leq \log_2(a)$. For whichever $n$ is greatest, take the $n$th root of $a$ call it $r$. Thn if $\log_a(b)$ is rational, then $\log_r(b)$ is an integer; so use your log algorithm that checks for integer powers.
 
What's up @Pedro?
 
My XXX is up
 

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