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2:07 PM
@JayeshBadwaik That will give you some issues with convergence and all.
I'd do $(a - 1 + (1 - a))$ or so.
Much fun.
 
@JonasTeuwen Yeah, I realized that later. Then I was thinking that @N3buchadnezzar has already proved that $f(ab) = f(a) + f(b)$ so then, we can use that to reduce the problem to the one which is within the range of convergence.
 
Splitting $0$ is always fun.
 
@JonasTeuwen :-)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Going for dinner right now. BBL.
 
2:12 PM
@JayeshBadwaik Brb!
 
Good day!
 
2:49 PM
@Nimza Good day
 
Hi, @JohnSenior
 
looks like a quiet day in mathland :)
 
aha
 
@JohnSenior Silence before the storm.
 
@JonasTeuwen Oooh - are we expecting a storm?
 
2:57 PM
Dunno.
But usually when the come it has been... no storm before.
So! 1+1
 
A storm might bring some excitement
 
@KannappanSampath Donald Duck? Looks unambiguously like Ludwig von Drake to me.
 
Actually I was getting paranoid as I thought he was mocking me with it!
 
3:32 PM
The first time I've seen the Area 51 SE, I thought it had something to do with UFO's/Aliens.
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3:55 PM
@JonasTeuwen In your gravatar, you look really fat as compared to other pics.
 
@JayeshBadwaik Are you calling me fat bro?
 
@JonasTeuwen No bro.
I am saying the pic is that way.
 
I was fatter there. I lose weight and gain periodically.
 
@JonasTeuwen sort of like variable rock stars...
 
4:03 PM
@robjohn Eh. Different reason.
 
Talking of stars, I want this to happen soon.
 
4:20 PM
The storm is coming in my city.
 
@robjohn Roooooooob
@JayeshBadwaik Run to the hills.
 
4:36 PM
I wish we could include LaTeX graphs and whatnot in our answers :s
 
We can.
 
waat
wuuuuuuuuuuut
I assumed we couldn't as I hadn't seen somebody use one yet
D;
 
@JonasTeuwen Jonesey.
@Gnintendo That's so silly.
 
plus we only had the $$ operators and whatnot
:<
I think I'm being trolled >.>
 
@PeterTamaroff yes?
 
4:45 PM
@robjohn I'm reading the proof that if $f$ is continuous and invertible, then $f^{-1}=g$ is continuous.
But I don't understand what Apostol is doing.
I kinda do, but not quite.
 
@PeterTamaroff I don't have Apostol's book, so you'll have to provide some example.
 
@robjohn Yes, yes.
The hypotheis is that $f$ is strictly increasing and continuous. We proved $f^{-1}$ is strictly increasing.
To set things up, say $f$ is considered in $[a,b]$
Then $g$ is in $[c,d]$ with $f(c)=a$ and $f(d)=b$.
Now
Now, we have to prove that given any $\epsilon>0$ there is a $\delta>0$ such that, for all $y$, $g(y_0)-\epsilon<g(y)<g(y_0)+\epsilon$ whenever $y_0-\delta<y<y_0+\delta$
Apostol says this:
Let $x_0=g(y_0)$, so that $f(x_0)=y_0$. Let $\epsilon>0$ be given and let $\delta>0$ be the minimum of $f(x_0)-f(x_0-\epsilon)$ and $f(x_0+\epsilon)-f(x_0)$
Then this $\delta$ will work.
 
That is all you need
 
@robjohn How?
 
@Gnintendo Be careful with peter, his full name is Peter Trollaroff.
 
4:50 PM
@GustavoBandeira Stop insulting people, it is mean.
Peter is never trolling.
 
@JonasTeuwen Aww, thanks!
 
Yeah.
 
NEVER TROLLING......
 
No caps please.
Damn, stores closed and NO FOOD.
Son of a crack.
 
@PeterTamaroff $y_0=f(x_0)$ and $y_0-\delta\ge f(x_0-\epsilon)$ so $g(y_0-\delta)\ge x_0-\epsilon$
 
4:52 PM
@JonasTeuwen Go hunting.
 
For... rats?
Oh, right there are ducks, let me grab my gear.
 
@JonasTeuwen Dude, its not later than 2000hrs in NL i guess.
 
@JonasTeuwen Ducks are tasteless. You'll need chutney.
You'll have to harvest, too.
 
@PeterTamaroff Have you ever eaten a wild duck? It is damn tasty.
 
@JayeshBadwaik Yes, and a Sunday, this is a Catholic country.
 
4:54 PM
@JayeshBadwaik I was in Soviet Russia. Duck ate me.
 
There's a coincidence: The book I'm reading (Barbeau's Polynomials) is from the year I was born.
 
@robjohn =)
 
Barbeau wrote it for me. <3
 
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@JonasTeuwen Unlike me. I am always trolling...
 
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@GustavoBandeira So what is the book about? Polynomials only?
 
user19161
4:57 PM
@jonas Nice new picture!
 
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@JayeshBadwaik You mean one that is cooked right?
 
@WillHunting The book extends the high school curriculum and provides a backdrop for later study in calculus, modern algebra, numerical analysis, and complex variable theory. Exercises introduce many techniques and topics in the theory of equations, such as evolution and factorization of polynomials,
* solution of equations, interpolation, approximation, and congruences. The theory is not treated formally, but rather illustrated through examples. Over 300 problems drawn from journals, contests, and examinations test understanding, ingenuity, and skill. Each chapter ends with a list of hints; there are answers to many of the exercises and solutions to all of the problems. In addition, 69 "explorations" invite the reader to investigate research problems and related topics." *
 
@WillHunting OFC.
 
@PeterTamaroff similarly for the other side
 
* In addition, 69 explorations...* XD XD XD
 
5:00 PM
$\color{red}{\Huge\text{ >8(}}$
 
@PeterTamaroff $y_0+\delta\le f(x_0+\epsilon)$ so $g(y_0+\delta)\le x_0+\epsilon$
 
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@JohnJunior I see you are quite good at LaTeX too!
 
@WillHunting So much left to learn...
 
LaTeX is pretty easy.
 
@PeterTamaroff Does that make sense?
 
5:03 PM
@robjohn Let me read.
@robjohn I don't get it. Where are we using the continuity of $f$?
 
@PeterTamaroff Can you find an inverse of a strictly monotone function that is not continuous?
 
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@JonasTeuwen I see your website has been changing rapidly.
 
@robjohn Well, discontinuous stricticly monotone functions have ivnerses but they have places where they are not defined.
 
@PeterTamaroff no, they are defined, but they are not strictly monotone
 
@robjohn OK, yes.
So?
 
5:10 PM
@PeterTamaroff so the continuity is important only to show that the inverse is strictly monotone
 
@robjohn Mmmm... OK yes, but that is because the interval doesn't get partitioned.
 
@PeterTamaroff sure. Is there a problem?
 
@robjohn I need to work it over.
 
@PeterTamaroff think about it, it will make sense :-)
 
@robjohn I mean, by the contiunity of $f$ $$f(x_0)-f(x_0-\epsilon)$$ will be small, with small $\epsilon$.
Same for the other.
Now I need to turn that around to put it in terms of $g$
 
5:14 PM
@PeterTamaroff But try to show $g$ is strictly increasing. Then the continuity of $f$ will play a part.
 
@robjohn Yes, I have shown that.
 
@PeterTamaroff Then you have finished the whole thing, haven't you?
 
@robjohn I have only shown $g$ is strictly increasing. Now I need to show it is continuous.
 
Hi all
 
@JohnSenior Yo, are you familiar with Witt vectors?
 
5:18 PM
@anon Not really - I know they are used in some ways with $p$-adics - but not got that far with them yet :(
 
@robjohn Have you ever taught freshmen Calculus?
 
@JohnJunior to classes of 300, yes
 
@anon On the other hand, the W|P page on Witt vectors makes them seem pretty familiar ...
 
@robjohn OK, I have this
This $$g\left( {{y_0}} \right) - \varepsilon < g\left( y \right) < g\left( {{y_0}} \right) + \varepsilon $$
Is the same as
$${x_0} - \varepsilon < x < {x_0} + \varepsilon $$
Which is the same as
$$\tag 1 f\left( {{x_0} - \varepsilon } \right) < f\left( x \right) < f\left( {{x_0} + \varepsilon } \right)$$
Now I need to look at this
$${y_0} - \delta < y < {y_0} + \delta $$
And show it implies $(1)$
But that is the same as
$$f\left( {{x_0}} \right) - \delta < f\left( x \right) < f\left( {{x_0}} \right) + \delta $$
Now suppose the minimum is $$f\left( {{x_0}} \right) - f\left( {{x_0} - \varepsilon } \right)$$
Then
$$f\left( {{x_0} - \varepsilon } \right) < f\left( x \right) < f\left( {{x_0}} \right) + f\left( {{x_0}} \right) - f\left( {{x_0} - \varepsilon } \right)$$
But $$f\left( {{x_0}} \right) - f\left( {{x_0} - \varepsilon } \right) < f\left( {{x_0} + \varepsilon } \right) - f\left( {{x_0}} \right)$$
 
@PeterTamaroff What?
 
5:24 PM
so
$$f\left( {{x_0} - \varepsilon } \right) < f\left( x \right) < f\left( {{x_0}} \right) + f\left( {{x_0}} \right) - f\left( {{x_0} - \varepsilon } \right) < f\left( {{x_0}} \right) + f\left( {{x_0} + \varepsilon } \right) - f\left( {{x_0}} \right) = f\left( {{x_0} + \varepsilon } \right)$$
And thus $$f\left( {{x_0} - \varepsilon } \right) < f\left( x \right) < f\left( {{x_0} + \varepsilon } \right)$$ as requiered.
@robjohn The minimum is the LHS.
@robjohn "Now suppose the minimum is"
 
oh, I see you are doing one side is the max at a time
 
@robjohn the $\min$.
 
I wish to have a lovely estimate for...
$$\int_n^{n + 1} \mu(\{x : n + 1 > \phi(x) > r\}) \, \text{d}r.$$
Where $\phi$ is lsc on some topological space and $\mu$ is a probability measure 8-).
I need to get some measure of that thing out.
Think I must, think I cannot. Think I will. After duck hunt.
Why do I always read Zev Cojones?
 
$\Huge\text{8-)}$
 
@JonasTeuwen LOL
 
5:29 PM
Seriously...
 
Seriously not serious...
 
Zev Cojones?
 
5:46 PM
Can anyone explain the first solution given at math.stackexchange.com/questions/10616/…
I am not able to understand the step o(X^A Z)=P lcm(A,B)
 
5:58 PM
@anon Are you working on $p$-adics or have you met Witt in commutative algebra?
 
@JohnSenior One of the topics I was presented involved using Witt vectors to characterize degree p^2 extensions of p-adic fields, so I am looking at Lenstra & Rabinoff's write-ups about them. I am also reorganizing the information into my own presentation.
 
Interesting how sadness brings order to things @PeterTamaroff
 
Off-Topic: This is a question for Jewelry SE. — Gustavo Bandeira 21 secs ago
 
@anon OK - In that case you have got further with them than I have. I am trying to work out if I can get to understand class field theory without working through a whole book on commutative algebra (my weakest area)
 
6:02 PM
@GustavoBandeira That is unnecessary spam. Leave the LULZ for the chat.
 
It's not spam.
 
Did you bump that question just to make that joke?
Heh.
 
user19161
@PeterTamaroff It's LAWLZ, dude.
 
user19161
@JohnJunior That looks like Pedro!
 
@WillHunting It is.
 
6:06 PM
Does commenting bump a question? I am confused (not unusual!)
 
Me too. I thought only editing bumps a question?
 
user19161
@JohnSenior It does not, but he might have bumped it otherwise as well.
 
I just posted the comment.
 
user19161
@JohnJunior Only a question, answer, edit or bounty bumps it.
 
Oh, nevermind, I thought comments bumped for some reason.
 
user19161
6:09 PM
@anon Is this your first day on SE? :-)
 
user19161
Oh dear, anon must be doing too much math. He has gone nuts.
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first day, every day
 
@WillHunting Thanks!
 
@anon last day, never
 
user19161
6:10 PM
Never too late.
 
user19161
Never say never. Justin Bieber.
 
I was just about to ask why you didn't use the JB phrase.
 
always say always?
 
user19161
My own creation: Justin Bieber. Just believe.
 
@WillHunting who is Justin Bieber? (Serious question - I don't get out much)
 
6:12 PM
@JohnJunior When should one say maybe then?
 
never say always
always say never
 
@JohnSenior Pop Singer
 
user19161
@JohnSenior He is a Canadian male pop singer who looks like a younger version of me. :-)
 
@GustavoBandeira sometimes say maybe
 
@WillHunting Male?!
 
6:14 PM
@WillHunting "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY" - Seal
 
@GustavoBandeira OK - thanks
 
Justin Drew Bieber ( , born March 1, 1994) is a Canadian singer-songwriter, musician, producer, entrepreneur, investor, and actor. Bieber was discovered in 2008 by American talent manager Scooter Braun, who came across Bieber's videos on YouTube and later became his manager. Braun arranged for him to meet with entertainer Usher Raymond in Atlanta, Georgia, and Bieber was soon signed to Raymond Braun Media Group (RBMG), and then to an Island Records recording contract offered by record executive L.A. Reid. His debut extended play, the seven-track My World, was released in November 2009...
 
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@PeterTamaroff Yes, I think I am ten per cent gay.
 
@WillHunting I think 11,7434905%
 
" singer-songwriter, musician,producer, entrepreneur, investor, and actor. " Well, that escalated quickly.
 
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6:16 PM
@PeterTamaroff They forgot JL-lookalike.
 
JL?
 
user19161
@JohnJunior Have you lost your memory of who I am?
 
@WillHunting That is a question you must ask yourself...
 
user19161
@JohnJunior You should ask yourself too. :-)
 
OK, who am I?
 
user19161
6:20 PM
You are SP. QED.
 
Thank you.
JL
 
@WillHunting you're the man of steel in disguise
 
later all
 
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@robjohn Oh, yes, the S too. :-)
 
user19161
@JohnSenior Laterz!
 
7:17 PM
@robjohn @anon On for a close and reopen action?
@JonasTeuwen
 
Link it.
 
I take that to be a yes.
Need more people though.
 
I have voted once and again.
 
Nicely done : )
 
@anon I voted even though there was only one vote to reopen. I figured 2 or 3, it was going to get reopened.
 
7:21 PM
@anon Cheers!
 
Wow, he has quite some emo haircut!
 
L-8-R!
 
Oh, if anon and Sasha voted to reopen, then I was the third. Good.
 
@anon Okay. I thought someone said that Sasha voted. When I looked, there was just one vote, so someone must have voted before I performed the coup de grâce
 
7:26 PM
Not only does the chatroom have a loose kill squad, we also have a loose resurrection squad.
 
I kill for fun. I don't even check who it is.
Confessions of a closer.
 
can you help me with $1/a*1/(a-1)=1/a-1/(a-1)$?? thanks
i suck at inequalities
it must be pretty easy because someone just used it as it was obvious
guys could you help me out with this please?
 
7:42 PM
@JonasTeuwen ^
@anon Having powerful friends feels good! : D
 
@Khromonkey That's not an inequality, it is partial fraction decomposition (that particular one I have used fairly often as an obvious fact). Try going from the right side to the left side by putting both fractions under a common denominator. (That is, multiply the first by (a-1)/(a-1), and the second by a/a.)
 
@robjohn Thank you : ) Nice.
 
@Matt I did a summary reopen since I figured it would happen anyway.
 
@robjohn What is the stuff with closing and reopening posts? Does it have to do with clearing the pending close votes or something similar?
 
By "what is the stuff with," are you asking "what is the motivation for"?
 
7:50 PM
@JayeshBadwaik that's it. It just clears the pending close votes.
 
@anon Yup, the motivation.
 
@Khromonkey $\displaystyle\frac1{a-1}-\frac1a=\frac{a}{a(a-1)}-\frac{a-1}{a(a-1)}=\frac1{a(a-1)}$
 
@Matt Have you seen my picturrrre?
I removed the beard.
 
got it thanks @robjohn and@anon
 
Hi Guys!!!!
 
7:58 PM
Yo!
 
@GustavoBandeira How r u?
 
Fine, u?
 
@GustavoBandeira good,thanks.
will u mock me today?
 
Mock?
I don't mock people.
 
yes.zuar,zombar...
 
8:06 PM
I never did that. :-(
Tô numa bienal do livro aqui em Garanhuns.
A piada: todos os livros são lacrados.
 
@GustavoBandeira PORTUGUESLIÑO
 
You're doing PORTUCYBERBULLYING, dude....
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PORTUCYBERBULLYINGCYBERXENOPHOBY
 
@GustavoBandeira Dude, fuck off. Why?
Wait. Pebbles.
 
@JonasTeuwen Yes, saw. The star there is from me.
 
@Matt Matt.
Isn't this wrong? Viz, "summing infinity terms"?
I mean, the result is OK, but the means is incorrect.
 
8:22 PM
@PeterTamaroff Hi,Mr. Tamaroff!
 
@MeAndMath Hello, gal.
 
Good night
 
$$\begin{array}{l} W_P(A)\xrightarrow{\Lambda}1+TA[[T]]\xrightarrow{D}TA[[T]]\xrightarrow{\pi} A^P \\ \Lambda:(x_n)_{n\in P}\mapsto\prod_{n\in P}(1-x_nT^n) \\ D=-T\frac{\partial}{\partial T}\log \\ \pi:\sum_{n\in P}w_nT^n\mapsto (w_n)_{n\in P} \\ \pi\circ D\circ \Lambda:W_P(A)\cong A^P\end{array}$$ Witt rings in a nutshell.
 
@PeterTamaroff How are You?
 
For $A$ of $\mathrm{Alg}_{\Bbb Q}$ anyway.
 
8:24 PM
@MeAndMath I am. And you? Are you not?
 
@GustavoBandeira Que divertido!
@PeterTamaroff I'm good.
 
@anon Isn't this wrong?
The way the solution is obtained.
 
It seems wrong, in that it introduces an inner limiting operation without justification.
I am writing a comment.
 
@anon Yes, thatis my point.-
 
@PeterTamaroff I have made my comment.
 
8:35 PM
@anon Thanks. I was going to write something, but that does it. =)
@anon I had discussed that with him before, but it seems he didn't get it.
 
I had a feeling of deja vu in fact.
 
@anon I am really strengthening up my analysis, unknown stranger.
Reading Apostol and Spivak simultaneously.
Awesome material.
 
@GustavoBandeira What have you been studying?
 
@anon See my comment.
@anon I love the drama "which is unacceptable" produces. =D
 
My boa accidently ate the rabbit of my flatmate!! Help! What should I do??
Also, I cannot find his dog anymore!
 
8:48 PM
Accidents happen!
 
What an accident...
 
@JonasTeuwen Get popcorn, quickly!
 
buy an identical looking rabbit, of course
 
Now that's helpful.
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8:55 PM
@Matt WOW!!!
so much knowledge.
 
@Matt They are so simple ctic they need no explanation.
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Ba dum tss!
 
@Matt The definite proof Peter is gay.
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LOL!
 
@MeAndMath It's not something to laugh with man. Serious business.
 
8:59 PM
@JonasTeuwen Woman.
 
Yeah,I'm a girl,I can laugh.
 
Pedro is hiding behind the huge Spivak book.
 
Oh sigh. The women have found this chat too! Men! We need a new room.
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hey!
I'm the ONLY girl here...
 
@JonasTeuwen But that page is blank! Oh, wait...
 
9:02 PM
@PeterTamaroff Read between the lines, bro.
 
@JonasTeuwen Opticians don't sell good glasses to gay people.
 
@PeterTamaroff but I liked your glasses :P
 
@MeAndMath Aww
@JonasTeuwen You look like you've just powdered your nose.
 
@PeterTamaroff I have not.
Why does everybody think that? I have almost never used drugs. And no cocaine! You Argentinian... thing!
 
9:10 PM
Maradona...
 
@JonasTeuwen The fact that you got the reference speaks by itself.
 
The what?
 
Jonas "Cokehead" Teuwen.
@JonasTeuwen The slang.
 
Everybody knows that.
It's like Banach spaces.
 
I'll grab something to eat.
@JonasTeuwen Did you know Banach was forced to feed his blood to lice?
 
@PeterTamaroff Sorry, I don't have time right now.
 
@Matt It has been settled, nevermind.
 
Good.
@JonasTeuwen lol
 
@Matt Have you seen this hilarious video aboud Ted Bear?
 
9:31 PM
Ted Bundy?
 
@JonasTeuwen I said Ted Bear.
 
Ted bundy...
 
@PeterTamaroff But he looks so cuuuuute. Just like a lil' bear.
 
girls thought so.
 
@JonasTeuwen He seems a nice person.
 
9:36 PM
Sure is. Very charismatic. Has some downsides. Might eat you - literally.
 
My name is ted bear, I like girls. Small girls. Preferably not to old, or working for the fbi.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Isn't that ...
 
even when he was arressteed , girls sent him love letters!
 
I do not know who that is Jonas, I am also known as
 
9:39 PM
@N3buchadnezzar Oh dear.
 
@N3buchadnezzar No matter what... I will always love you bro.
No matter what they say.
It will always be our secret.
 
@JonasTeuwen Tis` is a good song bro youtube.com/watch?v=jItz-uNjoZA
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One of my favs.
 
I love easy proofs they make me feel so good
I love easy proofs they make me feel so bad
When they're around they make me feel
Like I'm the only mathematician in town
I love easy proofs they make me feel so good

They don't care if I'm a one way mirror
They're not frightened by my dumb interior

They don't ask me questions
They don't want to scold me
They don't look for answers
They just want to hold me
Isn't this fun
Isn't this what life's all about
Isn't this a dream come true
Isn't this a nightmare too
 
@N3buchadnezzar We should perform the vocals for that man.
 
9:47 PM
@JonasTeuwen Yeah. And scold should be scoop
 
@N3buchadnezzar Scooped by little girls.
 
@JonasTeuwen That would feel like being kicked in the nuts right? And illegal at the same time. Woha
 
@N3buchadnezzar Yeah.
Keep Faith.
 
No officer, you got it all wrong. It was she who scooped me.
 
@N3buchadnezzar She threatened me.
Sorry, had to eat her head.
Sorry is all I can say. Baby... Officer. Can I hold you? I feel so lonely and it is so cold. So cold... so cold, Officer. Please. Hold me.
Also my ass please.
If I told you the right words... will you let me go? I didn't know the little badly disfigured boy would die if I ate his head. I swear!
 
9:54 PM
Where am I?
 
Between heaven and hell. I suppose.
 
Maybe a little closer to the latter.
 
@yunone You get used to it.
Jonas said that he doesn't use drugs, so I feel better about these stuff.
 
About using drugs?
Elaborate.
 

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