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3:00 PM
@pixel Anthony Ordon confirmed you will only be able to craft 2 minis
 
I need to raise some questions
 
@Jin love the fall-in effect where the snow forms the SE logo on winterba.sh
 
btw @Jin we have determined that the easter egg is a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie
 
Jin
@BenBrocka thanks. i'm glad our devs(balpha) indulged me on my designery wishes
@badp it's not. you just ain't 1337
 
How can I have my hats revoked? I want zero hats.
 
3:03 PM
@Jin Did someone say Hat-off?
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Q: How many Wintersday mini pets will I be able to make?

pixelI have been doing the Wintersday Tixx instance every day since it was added, and so far I have built up a nice collection of frames, glue, stuffing, and mystical cogs; So far I've made the painted doll pet, will I be able to make the other pets this year or am I going to end up with more frame...

 
@pixel TOO LOCALIZED OMGWTFBBQ
 
Just noticed the list of hats on Winterba.sh is an advent calendar (kinda)
 
Jin
@BenBrocka that's the idea
 
3:08 PM
@OrigamiRobot If you VTC that as Too Localized I'll beat you up (before the event is over, after that it might be. I think ANet wil just renew the event n ext year)
 
Ok, this is big: upper state court for Hesse, Germany just decided that you're not only allowed to re-sell software you bought on-line and downloaded (as per the recent ECJ decision), but also can burn it to CD or DVD or similar medium for sale - and sell that self-burned disk. UsedSoft vs. Adobe, Az. 11 U 68/11 (German)
 
Yay Germany
 
Please somebody help me with this on going comment flood
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Q: Are questions about a graphics card's drivers off-topic?

galacticninjaI posted this question: 'Windows installer has stopped working' error message when installing AMD Catalyst Drivers from v12.2 until the current drivers (v12.10), which immediately got closed as off-topic and downvoted, and got comments like "Isn't this a more SuperUser question than it is...

I'm getting bored now
 
@Wipqozn SPECULATION
 
@MartinSojka Whoa
 
3:09 PM
@OrigamiRobot YOU'RE JUST UPSET YOU DIDN'T ASK FIRST SO YOU CAN TAKE ALL THE REP
 
@MartinSojka Next headline: US Entertainment Industry blacklists germany
 
NO I DON'T CARE ABOUT MINIS I JUST LIKE YELLING
 
@Wipqozn he gets to answer, its worth twice as much rep. I'm after the hat for views...
 
@OrigamiRobot WE KNOW
 
@OrigamiRobot It's time you entered rest mode turns you off
 
3:10 PM
@pixel I gave you help.
 
@fbueckert I need more help, I'm getting close to /wrists+super tantrum+TALKING IN CAPS (like @OrigamiRobot)
 
@pixel Then walk away.
 
YOU WILL NEVER BE LIKE ME
 
@fbueckert I CANT, SOMEBODY IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET
 
@pixel Find another fight to take on.
Such as, "You suck! Quit Googling all your answers!"
 
3:12 PM
@fbueckert die
I google all my answers
I've answered 3 questions today just by googling
 
@pixel Exactly! You should be answering them by playing the game! huff
 
@fbueckert I'm not installing RAGE again. It makes me RAGE.
 
How appropriate
 
@tiddy To make that clear: After you sold the software, you're not allowed to use it yourself anymore and are supposed to delete or destroy (if written to a non-rewriteable media) any copies you still have. It's not a right to break copyright; just a right to re-sale your property, which includes software licences now.
 
@MartinSojka I understand and it sounds great, my comment was more to the bullheaded jackassery of the US Entertainment Industry
 
3:15 PM
Fight through the entirety of Hero's pass with one death
 
@MartinSojka This is so strange.
 
Die twice to the same bullshit assassin with apparently infinite shield
 
Germany has some of the most restrictive and inane copyright laws ever, and then we get points of sanity like this.
 
Alt-tab to complain about it, return to find yourself again in fight for your life
 
Germany has their shit together
 
3:16 PM
@tiddy Uhhh....not really.
 
@fbueckert They also have some of the best consumer protection laws (and organisations).
 
@badp open the menu first dude
 
@fbueckert Go on..
 
eh. Suddenly I don't care where the fuck Brick and Mordecai are in the later part of the level anymore anyway
 
3:18 PM
@tiddy Google GEMA. They do stuff like this, but for the most part, Germany is bass-ackwards when it comes to copyright stuff.
 
They're just "far, behind the wall of respawned people"
 
I'm talking economically, quality of living. Real stuff
 
@pixel Answered with google
 
@OrigamiRobot countered with something you won't be able to find an answer for
 
@tiddy Preventing an entire continent from downloading games on the Wii U until after 11PM because of a single country directly affects quality of life.
 
3:21 PM
Also no Wolfenstein 3D
 
@pixel The cogs, stuffing, and glue are not tied to a specific day
 
@OrigamiRobot oh well, have 15 rep
NEXT YEAR.
 
@pixel Only 15? :(
 
@BenBrocka that's the financial times so it's probably going to be a paywall anyway right?
 
In fact, am I willing to break my 100% accept rate so that you don't get an accepted answer... hmmm
 
3:23 PM
@badp It let me read it. I think they're doing one of those metered paywall things
 
@fbueckert GEMA is very much pissing off near everyone in Germany too, and with any luck, they won't last long or stop being crazy overprotective - "GEMA-free music only" is quickly becoming a sign of quality over here. The problem is that they have a near-monopoly of music play rights (in particular with pop music), with the consequence that major radio stations deal almost exclusively with them, since it's easier.
 
So they only screw over their most dedicated consumers, which is smart of them
 
Y U NO UPVOTE ANSWERS YOU ACCEPT
What is this? SO?
 
@OrigamiRobot what was it you said about the sigils answer, "I want to reformat it first" ?
 
@pixel I accepted that
 
3:24 PM
@OrigamiRobot did you upvote it?
 
@MartinSojka Have you heard what they're doing for nightclubs?
 
oh
well I blame everybody else, it's not my fault obviously
 
I always upvote answers I accept. Otherwise, I wouldn't accept them.
 
@BenBrocka It will go about as well as when the journals in other countries tried that. Google will take them off the index, they'll stop getting hits, and quietly back away.
 
3:25 PM
yes but
now I need to ask 4 more questions (to accept answers) or submit 2 tag wiki+excerpt edits
 
@fbueckert If you have one, you're supposed to either pay GEMA their (not too high) share for rights to play any of their music, or provide proof you aren't playing any (names of the musicians involved is enough). It sucks, but it's not the end of the world, and it will change.
 
@pixel ...you're one of those "I need it to be a multiple of 5!" folk, aren't you?
 
@MartinSojka It's a law now though, not just one company bitching. At least I think it was, I can't read the article anymore because Financial Times is a douchebag site*2
 
@GraceNote Who isn't?
 
@BenBrocka Just in the "talks" phase, and most people - even in the ruling coalition - think it's a bad idea.
 
3:27 PM
@MartinSojka ...Weren't they ratcheting up fees by 1500% or something like that?
 
Ah, I thought it was closer to passing than not, but I haven't heard of it for months
 
We have some crazier laws getting proposed (like the recent one where people who don't send their kids to public kindergartens are supposed to get paid for it ... screwing up immigrant children), so that's not even near the top of the scale.
 
The censorship laws bother me more; lots of butchered or banned video games
 
@GraceNote yes
 
@fbueckert Hell if I knew. I think they should up them by 100000% or so, so that everyone will just stop playing the same dumb pop crap. :)
 
3:29 PM
OMG pulls hair out
I'm fairly confident this guy is now trolling me
 
@BenBrocka Yeah, those are stupid, unnecessary and harmful for domestic companies.
 
I'm bored now, have fun! — pixel 29 secs ago
 
Your best line of defense against trolls
 
I just got told that the point of graphics cards is gaming
 
Wait, where does this fire come from?
 
3:31 PM
@MartinSojka he's obviously wearing a jetpack
 
Gaming and cracking passwords
 
GUYZ, I USE MY PC FOR GAMING THUS MY GRAPHICS CARD IS FOR GAMING
 
@pixel A, now I see it. Light gray on white ....
 
Does that make questions about RAM on topic here?
How about questions about PC cooling
I'm a gamer, thus my cooling is for games
I use my graphics cards for seti@home
 
@pixel I use my brain for gaming, thus neurosurgery ...
 
3:34 PM
@MartinSojka this
 
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Q: How many Wintersday mini pets will I be able to make?

pixelI have been doing the Wintersday Tixx instance every day since it was added, and so far I have built up a nice collection of frames, glue, stuffing, and mystical cogs; So far I've made the painted doll pet, will I be able to make the other pets this year or am I going to end up with more frame...

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Q: How can I get lots of Torgue Tokens?

Ben BrockaBest I can tell the slot machines are a poor way to get Torgue Tokens due to the high cost and infrequent payouts. Normal enemies rarely drop them. There's some re-doable quests (I think they give torgue tokens anyway) and the super boss Pyro Pete also gives them I believe. Bottom line, I want s...

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Q: Is it bad practice to upvote to help out?

ParalyticThe title doesn't really do my question justice, as I can't seem to find the right words to use. I occasionally find myself reading through older questions or viewing peoples questions/answers that they have provided. If I'm in a decent mood and I see a question with maybe 9 Votes or 24 votes, I...

 
@pixel I did Folding@Home for a while
 
@OrigamiRobot I don't care about saving people from disease, I do care about finding alien life though
 
Okey dokey, I've saved right at the start of the boss fight for no one really likes to die and respawn to a fully healed boss
 
@pixel Aliens would murder us
 
3:39 PM
@tiddy most of humanity deserves to die anyway
 
@badp I can help if you'll be awake/able to play in like 7 hours...which you probably won't be
 
@Jin Heh, I just noticed that the I is lowercase. MOST SEVERE BUG EVER. FIX DEMANDED.
 
@pixel I don't really agree to that point
 
@TimStone I noticed that too. I thought it was some odd attempt at reducing emphasis or something
 
@tiddy its ok, I'm not even going to argue it, it's more of a personal belief
 
3:40 PM
@pixel I understand
 
sigh
 
Jin
@TimStone no i won't fix
 
I have an helpful extension that warns me whenever a link reads a URL but leads to another
 
@BenBrocka I'm disappointed there's not a manually-awarded badge for pedantry.
 
It's useful all over the web - except on Twitter.
 
Jin
3:41 PM
i wonder what we should do next year.... BOOT BASH?
BOOT SMASH?
HULK SMASH?
 
@Jin *wont-fix
cringes
 
@Jin BANDANA BONANZA
 
@Jin DAT HASH contest on Security
 
Jin
i wish i threw in a bacon scarf for Winter Bash..
 
eh bonanza is a tv show whatever
 
3:43 PM
woo
new guild wars 2 patch
 
Jin
if you want to buy me a xmas present... foodbeast.com/content/2012/12/13/…
 
Wow, that's quite a scarf
 
@Jin That one's sort of uncanny valley. It looks like it needs to go in a pan, not around your neck
 
Jin
@BenBrocka if you wear that to a club, you'll get all the hungry ladies
 
@Jin Is that a good thing?
 
Jin
3:46 PM
@RonanForman I don't know. I've never seen a lady irl before
 
@Jin all of their teeth anyway
If you're into that
 
The turtle is going for the edit hat.
 
@Jin I wish the "I hate hats" option filtered out chat messages about hats.
 
Jin
@OrigamiRobot what else do you hate?
 
Though, I can see where this would be tough to implement. IRL hats are cool. I like those.
 
3:51 PM
@Jin Pancakes.
Logic.
 
@Jin Bees
 
People in general.
 
@fbueckert DONT YOU START THIS
 
Jin
People who are wrong on the internet
 
I hate @pixel.
 
3:52 PM
@Jin everything
 
@OrigamiRobot the eyes of people who would like to deny others the joys of pancakes.
YOU got that put in there.
 
@OrigamiRobot I love you too
 
Jin
now I'm hungry... I haven't eaten breakfast in years
 
@fbueckert I love pancakes so much, I had to protect them from you heathens.
 
argh
 
3:53 PM
@OrigamiRobot I made apple cinnamon pancakes. They were delicious.
 
I wish stackexchange would fix this bug
it annoys me to hell and back
 
1 min ago, by OrigamiRobot
@fbueckert DONT YOU START THIS
 
Jin
@pixel what bug?
 
@OrigamiRobot Ok, I'm done.
 
Aww, I had more :(
 
3:54 PM
@Jin when you submit a tag wiki edit, it shows the edits in the edit counter
but when you click the suggested edit counter, it shows 'there are no suggested edits'
 
Jin
@pixel hmm. maybe you can post this on meta.so?
 
It's a known thing.
 
edit counter = the orange number next to <user> | review | blah | cake | edit counter
@Jin that involves going on meta.so
 
It's the "You can't approve your own suggestions" deal.
 
well outside of my comfort zone
 
3:55 PM
I find it somewhat amusing that I can approve an edit suggested by someone with twice my rep.
 
The watson hat makes it look like I have another shell.
 
How do I subscript?
 
<sub>cake</sub>
@fbueckert I find it funny that you can approve an edit suggestion
hey if I go and submit a tag wiki for every single tag on the site that currently doesn't have one, do you want to approve them so you can beat RavenDreamer to 1000 suggested edits? :p
 
@pixel So I can beat Raven to 1000 suggested edits? :P
 
@fbueckert obviously
 
4:03 PM
@pixel I'm not suggesting edits, though.
 
I can't accept my own suggested edits
 
Raven can't even suggest edits anymore though.
 
what
 
He's a moderator. And high enough reputation.
 
@fbueckert to end the confusion that we're having just here, I mean you accept them, so you get to 1000 accepted suggested edits in the review queue
@GraceNote oh I meant the review queue 'suggested edits'
of which Raven is highest by miles
but not accepting any in ages
 
4:04 PM
Oh, approving.
 
@pixel Ahh. Eh. Don't care about badges.
 
@fbueckert not even gold badges?
 
I think he's been satisfied since getting the Marshal badge.
 
@pixel I'm here because I enjoy the company; getting rep is a side-benefit.
Badging is, "Oh, neat, another badge."
 
@GraceNote this most likely
@fbueckert that's not how you thought when you turned up for 100 consecutive days or got marshall
 
4:06 PM
@pixel I was never focusing on ensuring I got those. They're nice, but it's not the end of the world if I didn't get them.
 
Huh. Famous question on a closed question (due to merging), haha.
 
I just mentioned them to fit in!
 
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Q: Research Tree glitches in X-com TFTD?

PearsonArtPhotoI have recently started to replay this game, and I have a dim recollection that there are several glitches in the research tree, such that if you research the wrong thing first, you could end up in a situation where you can't research what you need to complete the game. Is there a complete list o...

 
@fbueckert blah
I don't care about badges, I just like incrementing numbers
which is probably why my life is constantly under attack from MMOs
 
4:11 PM
@pixel I've got this awesome game for you; it's called while(1){
 
@BenBrocka me thinks syntax error
 
}
Happy thinking ♫
 
@Fluttershy I already tried to fight this fight.
 
@pixel It's just the title
 
@OrigamiRobot Fight it again! It's a blatant shopping rec.
 
4:15 PM
@Fluttershy Actually, it's exactly what we SHOULD be doing for shopping rec questions.
It's been edited so that it's not looking for actual product recommendations, but what things to look for.
 
@Fluttershy It was closed as Too Localized (which is the part that was easily fixed) instead of NC. Everyone gets all uppity when things get closed for the wrong reasons. They even reopen them so that they have to be re-closed.
 
@fbueckert Which still makes it shopping advice, which is still off topic.
 
I was pretty sure our anti-shopping-advice was about "which should I buy".
 
boom, rep capped
+1 hat
 
@Fluttershy I think, with @galacticninja's meta post, we have to decide where we draw the line for questions about graphics cards.
 
user15026
4:18 PM
@GraceNote That was my understanding as well
 
@GraceNote It was.
This question is perfectly fine.
 
@GraceNote this, imo "how do I choose a graphics card" is ok
however the other question being discussed is "how do I make the installer for the drivers of my graphics card not crash"
which is way outside of the scope
 
@pixel This sounds like a completely separate issue.
 
@GraceNote separate to the one fluttershy mentioned, identical to the one @fbueckert just mentioned
 
belongs on SU.
 
4:21 PM
agreed
 
@OrigamiRobot We shouldn't be disallowing an entire section because it might fit better somewhere else.
We should be deciding if we want these types of questions.
 
I think we should migrate @OrigamiRobot to superuser
 
@pixel Agreed.
 
@OrigamiRobot This sounds like a much different (and much more viable) approach to handling this than to tag on the shopping side of things.
 
stackexchange should remove the 200 rep cap during christmas imo
 
4:25 PM
@pixel Why?
 
because of the reason
 
@pixel for the season?
 
@OrigamiRobot yes this
 
@fbueckert I am trying to find the relevant post on meta which perfectly describes my feelings on
 
@OrigamiRobot I'm open to being convinced it doesn't belong.
 
4:28 PM
I know it was by LPMF.....
I don't remember what it was in response to...
 
@OrigamiRobot Look for posts containing a frequent use of the word stupid then.
 
fine, get rid of graphics-card
that way I can post on this meta post and go Now look what you did, we can't have anything nice... HMPF
 
I don't understand why so many people are so against hardware questions so long as they relate to gaming.
 
has been in a grey area, so some clarification would be nice.
 
@Wipqozn The thing I am looking for isn't to set up a rule that they all don't belong.
 
4:30 PM
@MartinSojka That's disingenuous and you know it. /r/beatingwomen is about violent misogyny. It's not a not very clever double entendre for womens boxing or consensual BDSM nonsense, and trying to pretend it is is quite frankly among the dumbest things I've ever seen you say, and you've said some pretty fucking stupid things.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz What was that meta answer you wrote about removing references to gaming and seeing if the question still makes sense?
 
@OrigamiRobot I don't know, but there are only 94 answers to go through, so go fishing.
 
Yea yea that's what I'm doing
I was hoping I could jar your memory first.
 
I can't believe I'm being the voice of reason in this one; usually I'm all for "Ban 'em all!"
 
@OrigamiRobot Wasn't that the one about pants?
 
4:35 PM
@RonanForman That sounds familiar, and also like the type of analogy @LessPop_MoreFizz would use.
 
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A: Are questions about game companies' policies on-topic?

LessPop_MoreFizzSince nobody has actually proposed an answer that amounts to 'no', I'll step up and do so for the sake of voting, since simple downvotes on Badp and Oaks answers aren't really the same as having something to upvote. So really, there are actually two questions here. There's the one being asked in...

 
@RonanForman YES THE PANTS
 
Once again, Ronan saves the day. And is apparently talking in third person.
 
@fbueckert Have you had any luck building spaceplanes?
 
@SaintWacko I don't bother with them at all.
 
4:37 PM
@fbueckert Apply the Pants Test, but replace "pants" with "photoshop" or sommat
 
@fbueckert Oh, okay. I built a really neat one, but it just veers off the runway for some reason -.-
 
@OrigamiRobot That doesn't convince me, because we still haven't decided whether or not we WANT questions about graphics cards.
That's the real issue at play here.
 
@fbueckert I'm not saying ban all graphics card questions forever.
 
20 mins ago, by fbueckert
@Fluttershy I think, with @galacticninja's meta post, we have to decide where we draw the line for questions about graphics cards.
I'm all for coming up with SOME policy for this.
Rather than, "Eh. Can't be bothered to decide one way or the other."
 
I am saying we should not allow questions where the gaming part is coincidental. Apply this rule as needed. (Most questions fit this bill.)
 
4:41 PM
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Q: How do I change the time it takes to change maps after the game ends on my counter strike global offensive server?

matt healeyFor my counterstrike global offensive server how do i change the amount of time it takes to change map once a game ends on my server? currently it is set to 1 min 30 when 10 seconds would suffice.

 
@OrigamiRobot We're going to be divided on that one; we fall into two camps about whether or not graphics card's primary use is gaming or not.
 
@fbueckert We need less hard and fast yes/no policies and more rules for identifying why a question is bad and closing accordingly.
 
@OrigamiRobot That, I agree with totally.
 
I honestly kind of find it hard to argue against GPU related questions on a gaming website
 
@fbueckert I'm pretty sure the policy we've had since day one is that if it's on topic for superuser, it's not for us. Therefore, if the question can be asked and answered without mention of a single videogame title, it's probably off topic here.
 
4:43 PM
other than "we don't like them very much"
 
So the graphics card yes/no debate is counter productive. Lets look at the reasons why a question can be bad and apply those rules accordingly. If a question about graphics cards fits the bill, close it.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Did you mean... off
 
@badp It's less a case of 'we don't like them' as much as it's a case of 'hey, there's this awesome SuperUser site we can migrate to and the answer is probably already there.'
@badp I did.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh, good. Your replay pre-edit confused me greatly.
 
@RonanForman Steam-activated pants. Hehehe.
 
4:45 PM
We have a few questions that are basically, "I have X. Is Y better?"
Those should definitely be closed.
 
Our policy with graphics cards questions basically amounts to 'anything about graphics cards that Super User doesn't want'. Which isn't a particularly great policy, but it's worked, and I can't see us coming up with a better one that won't just invite more fighting at a later date.
The question in question is on topic on SuperUser. Therefore, we send it there, because it's more likely to get a good answer there. QED.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz This
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Personally, I feel that's a terrible method of deciding if we should allow questions here.
 
@fbueckert SE is about getting people the best answer. Why shouldn't we move questions to a place where they will get a better answer?
 
woo home
wooo 8 hats
 
4:50 PM
@OrigamiRobot SE policy is that if a question can belong on site A and site B but is asked on site A then site A doesn't get to shove it to site B.
(after all, shoving requires closing OT, which is absurd because the question can belong)
 
@pixel First minis, now hats. Why do I even play with you?
 
@OrigamiRobot because I am the ever shining light in comparison to your overwhelming darkness and hate
balance is the way that the universe works!
 
@pixel I can be an ever shining light of hate.
 
@OrigamiRobot and I can be an overwhelming darkness
 
@fbueckert That's because it is.
 
4:53 PM
3 mins ago, by OrigamiRobot
@fbueckert SE is about getting people the best answer. Why shouldn't we move questions to a place where they will get a better answer?
@pixel Also, you probably hate things more than I do
 
@OrigamiRobot the roles can be interchanged if you would rather be the ever shining light, but since you hate hats and minipets I will disagree with you
 
@pixel I am saying we can both be giant balls of hate caught in a positive feedback loop.
 
@OrigamiRobot we are certainly caught in a loop
 
Also, the term positive feedback loop is misleading because it's usually a bad thing.
 
all feedback is bad, why would you want feedback in anything
I hate it when my speakers buzz... kill all feedback
 
4:57 PM
@pixel So you know what your output is.
 
Jin
@pixel you have 8 hats now?
 
@Jin yes
@OrigamiRobot are you implying that everything I say is just noise?
 

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