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Q: Are there any links to data on Offense vs Defense win/loss ratio for various maps? [TF2]

Mark RogersI am curious to see which maps in Team Fortress 2 favor Offense or Defense. I know that Steam collects massive amounts of data on player statistics so they probably have the data somewhere. Does anyone have a link to statistics on which maps have had more offense wins vs defense wins or vice ve...

 
12:45 AM
@IvoFlipse: Yeah, see you next time. It's nice to see how you throwed down those 2 Gateways while I thought my eco wouldn't support it...
 
well I could have waited just a bit longer
make 3 workers first
 
For Terran it's easy to know that you can have either 1:1:1 or 3 Rax on 1 base, but I don't know that for Protoss yet. (Well, Zerg is just a mather of throwing a Hatchery down when you have spare minerals, easy there... :P)
 
because I was lagging behind on resources
I would follow the AI's example
they go 2 gateway as protos
or 1 gateway + early robo
 
You shouldn't cut your workers until it's fully saturized, unless you are planning on going for a cheese or all-in.
Same for the early Chrono Boosts.
They go based on what they scout. :-)
But well, I had like 400-500 minerals.
And at that moment I should've thrown down an extra Gateway. (Can't tell about if it should have been two, a next replay showing too much Minerals should teach me that)
But it's just... Zealots & Stalkers costs more than the units for Terran, so I was unsure if I could keep constantly producing if I would throw down a Gateway.
 
I ended up building more gateways too
 
12:50 AM
So, next time Gateway --> Core --> Gateway --> Robotics --> Gateway
 
which shows I should have teched up at some point
though I would have preferred an expo
 
hmm
I should try to figure out how to calculate what buildings a single expo can support
Each saturated mineral patch (3 workers) will yield approximately 102 minerals/minute.
 
put it into the calculator
marines + 1 base
or we could try it 1v1
 
816 minerals / minute
 
with a timer on
a voila
 
12:53 AM
114 gas/min
 
but it's way more complex
 
224 gas / minute
 
when you take into account that you buy something and that building won't make anything until it's done
so it goes up, it goes down
 
I don't think that it mathers that much
 
if you don't queue, you really have to know when you have to built/create what
 
12:54 AM
you'll just want to know the end result
 
sure, but it 816 min/min isn't 8 marauders a minute
 
and just steadily build towards it
 
because you don't have 8 barracks to built them
plus there are times during that minute your don't have enough to buy what you need
anyway, I'm off to bed!
 
No
You need 4 Rax for that
Marauder takes 30 seconds
I think the gas wouldn't allow you to do 8 Marauders
But in terms of Minerals it's just 4 Rax.
Well indeed, good night @IvoFlipse!
 
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Q: Zoom out/in in Dwarf Fortress during gameplay.

user5781Is it possible to zoom out/in during gameplay in DF and not through altering the init.txt file and reloading the game?

 
12:58 AM
@IvoFlipse: Now that I think of it, it's not purely about the buildings but it's about the minerals which makes it harder to think about this on-the-fly in the game.
But anyways, nice to have a 800 mins 200 gas in my head from now on.
Hmm, you can think of it in another way too...
Like keeping apart X mins and Y gas a minute for teching purposes.
100 mins for Supply Depot
100 mins to spare
@IvoFlipse: An 1:1:1 build examined for 600 minerals / minute
--> 200 into 1 Rax + Reactor pumping 4 Marines / minute
--> 200 into 1 Fact (Naked or Tech for Research) pumping 2 Hellions / minute
--> 200 + Gas into 1 Star (Naked or Tech for Research) pumping 1 Medivac/Viking/Banshee/Raven / minute

After 1 Minutes spare you can create Bunker, after 4 Minutes spare you can create CC, etc...
That's 4 Marines, 2 Hellions and 1 Support unit every minute once your base gets full saturization.
And I'm not even counting in MULEs
@IvoFlipse: And this would be in an aggressive setting (as in pushing, medivac dropping, placing bunkers, ...), it doesn't count in armored units until you get your expansion and could go 1 Rax + Tech, 1 Fact + Tech, 1 Star + Reactor.
Hmm, the Banshee is useful against Marauder/Tank/Roach, but less effective against Protoss who could opt for Stalkers + Observer.
But the problem with armored units is that the opponent will produce less than you as he is dependant on gas, so harassment by a drop could set him back. But well, once again this is just a random example and I'm theorycrafting too much... :D
You won't know until you melt it into a BO, practice it and try it out to see the effectiveness.
@IvoFlipse: But I do think that the above way of thinking about it might be a good way to work towards a BO.
And then you can just tell SCBuildOrder what you want when. :-)
Actually, if you don't do this and ask SCBuildOrder straight for something specific you could be sacrificing your economy/technology/... just to get those units.
Perhaps, instead of an extra Rax and Supply Depot (+9 supply) just to get out one more marine (which you might not need), you could've gone a CC (+11 supply instead) for a better economy and more production buildings or an eng bay to upgrade your army.
@IvoFlipse: Well, I think I'm going to figure out a 3 Rax start (on main) and then go into Fact and Star based on my Expo.
And practice to do the whole thing as good as possible.
Or go 1:1:1 main and build 2 extra Raxes on Expo.
(Not counting in the MULEs again, they do 40 mins/minute on top of what the SCVs do)
Hmm, perhaps I shouldn't think of the units, as I would base them on what I scout.
 
1:37 AM
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Q: StarCraft2: Breakout vs Ghost of a Chance

BuddaOn my 1st campaign pass I've chosen "Breakout" mission. Now I do that the 2nd time (to have everything done on Brutal) and want to choose "Ghost of a Chance". Q1: Remember, that the penultimate mission (I've chosen "Belly of the Beast") require Tosh to participate. If I do "Ghost of a Chance" n...

 
@IvoFlipse: Okay, figured it out now!

Should go 1:1:1.

**In case I scout an early push BO** (3 Rax, 4 Gate or 2 Gate Tech, 6 Pool or Later Pool + Gas [Bane/Roach])
- Produce Marines
- Place 2 Bunkers (each one has the HP of 9 Marines!!!)
- Produce Tanks (Unsieged against Armored, Sieged against Mass Light)
- Produce Banshee to check if he expands and harass his economy.
 
For as much TF2 as I've played, I'm still awful one on one
 
**In case I scout an economy BO** (2 Rax FE or 4OC or 1:1:1, 1/2 Gate FE, no Pool)
- Produce Marines (Naked) into Marauders (Tech)
- Produce Hellions (Reactor)
- Produce Medivacs for healing/dropping (Reactor)
- Can swap Rax and Fact later to go for Marines + Tank/Thor instead of Marauders + Hellions.
For either way I throw down my expo after the Starport (which is basically the time I would either have my defense up or have pushed my opponent back, at this point I create two more production buildings which would best fit. I have the option here to lift one of the buildings to get an other addon and then create the other building in place...
Like for example, in the second way I can lift the Starport (so the Reactor comes free) to create a Tech Lab on it for BCs and then create a Rax on the Reactor. (Well, I would first see if it is more feasible to swap with another building just to decrease tech time...)
Well, I actually went 3 Rax because of the issues I was having with Zerg, but the same can be done with a 1:1:1 build.
On the first scout he will only see a Rax and Gas, you will have the 1:1:1 up by the next time your opponent will scout/scan.
Or even better, your defenses up so he will not be able to scout the 1:1:1 at all...
A good player will figure out if you a) delay pushing him for too long, 2) harass with a small amount of units or 3) if he scouts your incoming drop.
That's basically how a lot of Diamond Terran players play, AllNight is an example.
Oh, the StarCraft II room is frozen, else I would've suggested someone to migrate all these messages.
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2:04 AM
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Q: How to get a mount on WoW?

Jader DiasI have a paladin character. How to ride a horse?

 
<insert-WoW-FAQ-answer-here />
 
2:19 AM
0
Q: Is there a way to use my European (PAL) XBox on an NTSC TV?

Paul BiggarAfter bringing my European (Irish) XBox to the US, I've found that my TV doesn't support PAL (except in black and white with PAL-60). Is there a way to make my XBox output NTSC (such as by modding it, for example)? Alternatively, do converters exist to make this work?

 
@TomWij Not one, but THREE of them!
 
2:40 AM
@TomWij Damn you and your accept on that question! I knew I spent too much time gathering links... :(
 
3:04 AM
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Q: How to get a pet on WoW?

Jader DiasI see some chars with pets, how to get one?

 
... this guy.
 
 
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5:36 AM
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Q: Will dwarves eat prepared meals before other foods?

aslumIf I cook up some meals, will the dwarves eat those first? Is there a way to stop them from eating them (if, say, the upcoming caravan is excited about them?) entirely? Or would I have to forbid each meal as it was made?

 
 
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8:53 AM
@arda I see my evil rehabilitation plans are working. I'll whip you all the way to 10k you slacker! :P
@tom A moderation flag can fix that.
 
 
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10:52 AM
@badp Riiiight.
 
@ArdaXi You never had the head for all that bigger picture stuff.
 
@badp Excuse me?
 
But Tom that's what I do
And I plan on eating you slowly
All we want to do is eat your brains.
--J. Coulton
@ArdaXi What? I can't quote people now?
 
What's that from?
 
Yeah, at times I have a bad case of non-sequitur.
 
10:55 AM
Hmm, it's in L4D2?
 
@ArdaXi The song is called "Re: Your Brain."
 
Hmm, L4D2 makes me think it's really useful to live on top of a mall.
I do think this through. There's a gun store really close to my house.
The moment the zombie outbreak starts, that's getting raided.
Woo, 22 more reps.
 
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Q: Unsummon a summoned creature in Dungeon Siege 2?

jaeIt appears there isn't, at least from my fruitless Google searching. Would be nice to not have to wait for the summon time to run out.

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Q: Medical questions

FabianHow do we deal with questions like this, that are in the end medical questions. I'm not thinking about off-topic/on-topic, but about liability. Wrong medical advice on this site could cause legal trouble. Is there an official SO policy about that?

 
11:13 AM
@badp 109
What to play, what to play... I wonder if The Ship has any players any more.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Yeah, I quickly edited my answer because I saw Mark Trapp (he answered a second later so I saw it on my refresh) talking about three mounts. Didn't suspect my less good answer to be accepted, perhaps because of the LvL 40 mount...
 
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Q: "Cut the rope" view levels current scores / time

ring0(on iPhone 4, iOS4) Cut the rope is really a great game. I installed both the full version and the Xmas version. However there are two things pretty annoying Opening the levels page shows first a cutter animation taking 3~5 seconds. It really seems to be on purpose (not an animation during a...

 
11:48 AM
@ArdaXi are you now notifying me of your downvotes?
 
@badp My own, yes. As in, I downvoted someone. For completion mostly.
 
11:59 AM
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Q: Fast transport system in Dwarf Fortress.

user5781I am afraid my farms are a bit far from my fortress, so is it possible to build some sort of a fast transport system in order to speed the process of moving to and from my farms?

 
12:20 PM
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Q: How to summon assist character in Scott Pilgrim?

MargaretI keep seeing references on the web to being able to summon Knives Chau as an assist character... But nothing says how to do so. Is there some magic combination for this? (It's the Xbox version, if that makes a difference.)

 
 
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3:42 PM
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A: Please fix captcha - it hampers math sites much more than others

T..About the idea that captcha "hampers math sites much more than others": The CAPTCHA issue is a site-independent aspect of the software platform and not something that seems peculiar to a math site. It could be that it is triggered more often on math sites, and this might be for reasons of the ki...

This made me smile. :)
 
3:57 PM
Alright, who stole his account info...
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Err... I don't get this discussion
WE IS SMARTER SO WE IS CLICK EDIT BUTTON MORE!
 
4:16 PM
@ArdaXi to be fair I don't think they get live LaTeX preview.
 
So? LaTeX is quite easy.
 
5:13 PM
Anyway, away with all this crap.
 
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Q: What do I do after getting the spell to control people?

bwarnerI'm just learning Overlord 2, and I've reached the point where I get the spell to control/kill townspeople. I've controlled 3 of them like it instructed me too. But I can't figure out what to do next. I seem to be blocked on both sides by firecracker "walls", and it told me I can't get through...

 
That's still a Gaming room.
It should probably be a TeX room.
 
Need a mod to "rebrand" it.
 
How was it initially branded?
 
My "main" account is Gaming's, hence rooms I make are Gaming's.
 
5:15 PM
Ah.
When are we getting our elections again?
 
6 to 8 weeks.
 
Right.
I'm not active on MSO at all, so I just about got that.
 
I wonder what kind of advertisement should go on Gaming.
 
@alex 'sup bro
 
Math is harsh.... ;(
 
5:19 PM
:(
I understand your pain, man.
 
programmers can solve math questions too...
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Q: proof of Collatz conjecture?

alexanderpasI was "playing" on Project Euler and passed across the Collatz Problem, and it mentioned it was still unproven. I immediately noticed two things: After the $3n+1$ the result is always even, leading to $\frac{n}{2}$ $\frac{n}{2}$ is an trivial action, especially in a binary representation. Th...

 
Oh
That Math.
 
" if it were this easy, somebody would've done it already" That's a crap argument.
 
@ArdaXi I know :D
 
"When you propose to have solved a well-known open problem, especially without having done any significant work, you are implicitly insulting everybody who has ever worked on the problem by assuming that there is an extremely simple solution that all of those people missed."
Wooooow.
 
5:22 PM
@Mana total disregard of the wall of (la)tex(t)
 
Tex is screwing up for me, everything's all scrunched together
switches to FF
 
BTW: :D :D :D HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!! :D :D :D
what new games do we go play in 2011
 
PORTAL 2.
 
it looks very ugly in Chrome
 
Now even works as an universal game-rec answer for mp askers.
 
5:25 PM
@ArdaXi, turning it around doesn't make it true all of a sudden
 
@Mana Honestly I feel like flagging that comments, but then we'd only risk starting some kind of cross-site war of sorts. Thanks but no thanks.
That said, @alexanderpas, your post does read like an unsorted heap of notes.
 
@Alex what you were asking for was for advice on how to translate your pseudo-proof into an actual proof format, right?
 
Also I'd worry about being actually correct before being formally correct :)
btw What is majority?
 
their responses are somewhat childish, if you think the person is ignorant, how can you feel insulted by him?
 
5:32 PM
@IvoFlipse The entire community is incredibly elitist.
 
@alexanderpas ...that didn't make it clearer for me :(
 
I'm sure you're staring at it and watching blonde, brune, brunette instead
 
@badp Matrix reference yay!!!
 
@badp 2 or 3 out of 3
 
5:34 PM
Every time I go look at meta.math I find something else that just makes my jaw drop before I burst out laughing
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Q: Write an Elevator Pitch / Tagline

Robert CartainoWe closed the domain naming thread (click for details). Instead, let's start with a killer "elevator pitch!" Joel will be blogging about the elevator pitch approach to naming, but to get you started: The Elevator Pitch This isn't as easy as it sounds. Imagine the user who will never read you...

 
sure they are @ArdaXi, but I can understand how one would be somewhat insulted if someone claims to have 'solved' something, while probably not grasping the pitfalls of it (enough)
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz We have the same on meta.Gaming
 
@badp Not the question itself.
the comments/answers
 
what a load of crap is that most voted post @LessPopMoreFizz, these users obviously either like spam/trolls or never moderated a site
 
@IvoFlipse I kinda agree with the underlying point that asking a community to name itself doesn't really work.
 
5:38 PM
@IvoFlipse they come from USENET ;)
 
> I have to say, though, that the en passant sniping at the volunteer mods and other contributors whose background isn't exactly congruent with yours is unnecessary and unhelpful.
sure there are kinks to Area51's process of getting a site created
 
but... the asker is falling to the "us vs you" fallacy
 
and obviously voting on stuff by committee isn't going to work
though he preaches openness, it's only open for those who shout the loudest (which he apparently does)
 
I hope that SE will fork out some resources to bestow a brand onto us when we'll get to have an actual domain name :P
 
anyway, Math is an exception and not the rule when it comes to the community aspect. If only because there is no 'one community' in Math, which becomes painfully visible from the responses to @alexanderpas's question
you can't expect arch-nemeses and enemies to play along nicely
 
5:53 PM
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Q: What should i know when playing WoW for the first time?

acidzombie24I am considering trying out WoW. I dont want a subscription, i doubt i'll be hooked and if i have to grind i am instantly quitting or spending the remaining time exploring (then quit). But as for strategies, help, common early game mistakes, etc what should i know? Do i need yo join up a guild? ...

 
I'm kind of amazed math gets any traffic, considering their philosophy toward new people seems to be "f**k you for trying, come back when you've got your PhD and your efforts are no longer insulting to our intelligence"
The infobar does say "for people studying math at any level"
 
sigh
Well, I posted up my comment trying to get Math people to calm down.
I'll most likely find myself torn apart by waves upon waves of angry mathematicians, biting and snarling and clawing at my poor progamer flesh
but I like to be optimistic so I'll pretend that's not the response I'm expecting
 
6:14 PM
attempts to put the room back on its track Amnesia looks really good.
 
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Q: Civ 5: Units don't move until end of turn.

jeremyhuThis has been really frustrating for me. My units don't actually move when I release the right mouse button. They stay exactly where they are and move when I end the turn. How do I get them to actually move when I tell them to? If I tell a unit to automate its movement, it moves during my tur...

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Q: Before starting Fallout New Vegas

DrakeI have just bought Fallout New Vegas. I read the patch notes and I saw that many bug as been fixed after the release. What I am wondering now is, if there are any known bugs and if there are mods I should install to fix them, before starting my adventure in New Vegas.

 
Oh, speaking of, awesome video to show--screw you feeds
 
Huh?
Video?
 
yeah
warning, gets loud at some points
 
Alright, I'm buying this thing.
 
6:17 PM
:D
 
I love buying stuff from Steam now that I can buy things by putting my bank card into my PC.
 
I know, eh?
 
lol isn't your mommy still paying for it ;)
 
Well, indirectly.
I mean, I'm buying it with my birthday money.
 
I didn't get my bank card and credit card until just recently but it was an incredible form of release
 
6:19 PM
I can't get a credit card yet.
 
what a pussy is that guy, he's like that 'Leave Britney alone' guy
 
Dude, that guy's hilarious
He's also the guy who wrote the subtitles
so he's clearly mocking himself
 
watches @IvoFlipse try and ignore the mod flag.
 
sure, but it's just annoying, not funny :P
 
aww maaaaaaaaaan
I find it incredibly amusing.
 
6:22 PM
I can't buy the damn thing because GlobalCollect sucks.
 
That sucks and so does ABN Amro.
 
No, GlobalCollect does. ABN Amro too.
 
That's what I said!
 
Slander! Character assassination!
 
6:24 PM
Maaaaaaan, stop doing that.
Character assassination? Sure.
 
maaaaaaaan
 
speaks very dramatically
insert coin
 
I'm old, I get to have childish fun every once in a little while.
 
Character assassinated.
 
:O(
 
6:26 PM
More like X(
 
auch: "Stop playing games. Seriously. Not fun little indie games or iPhone games, but the soul-sucking, time-stealing, life-owning games like World of Warcraft, Starcraft and Counter-Strike. As a general rule, if it has online multiplayer, a strong social aspect and isn’t free, you’ve got the recipe for a life-owning game."
"And days add up, like it or not. We cannot stop them from doing so." http://goo.gl/Asoo5 (via @migueldeicaza)
 
Starcraft doesn't own my life!
 
yet I play it almost as much as I work :P
 
I played multiplayer Minecraft and survived to tell the tale! :P
 
6:27 PM
Die die die.
 
I just had a dream about manning an SCV and ninja-ing my way through some zerglings last night. So what of it?!
 
That's the third time this week.
@IvoFlipse But Counter-Strike has no strong social aspect.
 
wait until your in a clan
 
The deepest conversation you could have with someone on CS:S is
 
well, way back
 
6:28 PM
usux
no u
 
but...@Arda those are the conversations we have normally
 
@Mana No, the conversations we have are more like this:
You suck.
No you.
 
Oh, that's true
 
@ArdaXi Hah. Your alleged sexual orientation amuses me and makes you automatically wrong.
(lolurgay)
in a way, they're more space efficient.
 
@badp Please cease your name-calling for it is quite hurtful.
(stfu)
 
6:32 PM
@ArdaXi It is hurtful because it hits right home, my friend.
(buuurn, and/or pwnd)
 
don't make me suspend you all >:-)
 
Quits out of annoyance.
(ragequit)
 
@CRoss (rule9)
 
@badp Which?
 
@IvoFlipse thanks for the perspective meta reps!
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Q: Remove the kicking command

radpKicking in chat is pretty useless and/or pointless. You may want to consider either removing it, or turning it into something more effective -- maybe user-specific room-specific 30 seconds long silencing.

 
6:34 PM
@badp obviously that doesn't apply here, just look at Rchern and MichaelMrozek
 
@ArdaXi "There are no rules about moderation either. Enjoy your ban."
someone discovered our super-sekrit #stackoverflow moderator menu. CURSES! http://so.mrozekma.com/my-mod-menu.png
@IvoFlipse Thanks for the perspective reps.
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Q: Remove the kicking command

radpKicking in chat is pretty useless and/or pointless. You may want to consider either removing it, or turning it into something more effective -- maybe user-specific room-specific 30 seconds long silencing.

 
invokes downvote roulette on @badp
 
@ArdaXi watches the anti-voting-abuse gods retailate
 
@badp THERE IS NO GOD HERE
 
@ArdaXi There's no downvoting here either.
Win by default I guess? :P
 
6:38 PM
This = Gaming.SE
I think you just proved your point, if you did what I think you did.
 
@ArdaXi Room owners can't kick.
 
Then how?
 
wasn't me, who does that leave?
 
@CRoss @IvoFlipse obviously.
 
@Ivo
 
6:42 PM
So -- How is associating a room about LaTeX to the LaTeX site useless?
 
also, @ArdaXi My wife wants to know if you are male or female and where you got your name
 
or are flags useless because I make them?
 
click on someone and at the bottom of Actions it says kick this user
 
@CRoss Male, and it's just something I made up
 
@CRoss This amuses me for some reason :P
 
6:43 PM
@TimStone > Why?
 
Just the randomness of it :)
You'll note then that I'm easily amused.
I'm also on a flight back to Philly right now, so there you go.
 
Has this window refreshed a few times just for me?
In other news, @tzenes is stuck at 19,856 reps. What a tease.
 
I haven't seen him in chat lately, what's he been doing? work?
 
@badp I am stuck just shy of 9k :(
 
I haven't noticed it, but with this lag..
Reptease!
 
6:52 PM
@CRoss Probably holidays.
So few questions coming in...
 
@badp Calm before the Storm.
 
2011 is going to have so much gameage to provide as question fodder
It's also going to make my ability to balance work and play and sleep all the more difficult.
shakes fist at the new year
 
So guys
promotion
where do we promote our site
 
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Q: how do i get battlefield 1942 on my external hard drive with patches?

austin vanalstynei have a 2tb external hard drive and i want to put battlefield 1942 on it. i got the game to install and run smoothly on the hard drive, and i need a patch update. when i install the patch, it doesnt find the game, and thus does me no good. how do i get the patch to find the game on the external ...

 
@Mana Twitter Facebook Etc.
 
7:05 PM
well...I don't think many of my real life friends would be interested in asking questions on a gaming site...and I don't have many followers on Twitter
Are there any gaming sites we could promote ourselves on?
 
not really
 
:(
 
the best way to promote the site is asking a lot of 'good' questions, because Google is the best site to promote us on
 
That's true, ja.
 
if you start playing a new game, make sure you ask any question you have about it here
this is especially true for new games, because sequels generally already have a knowledge base for their previous parts that already established some Google-fu for that topic
but regardless, asking questions is by far the best thing you can do
 
7:35 PM
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Q: Stopping Dwarf Fortress from auto-pausing.

user5781Is it possible to prevent DF from pausing every time something comes up (liking hitting gold or whatever). The reason is that I am doing extensive mining and I want to leave the process unattended till it is over.

 
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