The Bridge - 2010-09-16 (page 1 of 2)

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12:13 AM

Oh, yeah, congrats, @tzenes, for being the second 10k on SE 2.0

:184558 Cool, who is the first?

@CRoss hobodave over on Cooking

12:34 AM

@Grace thank you

It is curious how SE rep leads itself to heavy tail distributions

:184648 Why is that surprising?

I would think that Jon Skeet would be an anomaly and that the distribution would more accurately match exponential than power law

BADGE GOT!

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Part of the problem, especially with the broader SE sites is a feedback loop

Tzenes is an expert in handling SC II questions

Gaming.SE becomes a good place to get SCII questions answered because Tzenes is here answering them

more SC II questions get asked

:184664 Not really, because the effect I'm talking about happens over time.

ah

I thought you meant something different

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12:40 AM

you can see it in other tags too.

Feedback loop is the kind of principle I wanted to use to make this place attractive to niche games

There is also a feedback loop in that people with high rep tend to get more up votes, and that answers with high + get more upvotes

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I noticed an uptick in Fallout 3 questions after I started writing good fallout 3 answers, f.ex.

But I have little to start it with

@less on this issue I agree with you

12:41 AM

:184657 Now go get this badge

I also find that in gaming, there is a broad range of knowledge, but it tends to lack in depth.

thus the more depth we can bring the better

this is why I try to write such long answers

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:184680 Yes, exactly, and I feel the same way. My point is that as we demonstrate depth of knowledge in particular subjects, those subjects will generate more questions, and that will feed rep to a certain pool of experts until new experts with other areas of expertise show up.

:184675 because I started playing FO3 again because some of the questions about it made me want to play again.

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And this results in a fairly small pool of individuals with high rep, since in general, you end up with a few truly expert answerers with a fairly large pool of question askers.

@Less that makes sense why you'd have an exponential distribution, but not why it'd be heavy tail

12:47 AM

in Dwarf Fortress Succession on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 15 at 19:35, by antony.trupe

someone claim the next year

in fact it suggests just the opposite

if only we had a statistics SE on which we could ask this question

:184700 Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.

1 hour later…

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1:59 AM

notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-works

This Is Interesting.

2:14 AM

heee I got my droid today

hmm that's strange. I got randomly logged out of chat :(

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protip: Don't do this.

you should have told me that 3 months ago

Ride a bike into the future?

3 hours later…

FallenAngelEyes

5:00 AM

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Q: Increase tag length limit to 30 characters.

You don't have to go exotic and pull games like "Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu" (25) or "むかしむかしあるところにとてつもなく仲の悪いツインテールの姉妹姫様がいらっしゃいましたとさ" (9001); even more common games like "Need for Speed: Most Wanted" (30) or "Spider-man: Shattered Dimensions" (26) just do not fit in 24 25 (thanks!) characters. Whe...

feature-request status-declined tagging

Ouch, changed to "Status-declined" by Jeff and not even a comment left

g'night all

1 hour later…

6:11 AM

:185203 Really, what did you expect?

Well he did leave a comment

a downvote

oh, there is a comment

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A: Tagging Suggestions

The idea that you must tag every game, no matter how obscure, is rather toxic. I would reserve tags for games that actually have some demonstrated popularity, eg, [gta4] is probably a reasonable tag as you can expect a number of those questions, whereas [space-bunnies-must-die] is really just a ...

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:185225 Subjective, and typoing Who into How is possibly my single biggest internet pet peeve!

Close vote AND downvote for you!

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the replay-rec tag

boo

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wut

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/7530/…

we have too many replay threads

?

6:25 AM

b3ta.com/board/10186397

ok, that's pretty funny

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@tzenes b3tards doesn't allow hotlinking

that's why I linked to the b3ta thread instead.

ah

it worked on my screen so I didn't notice

yeah, that's a cached copy.

btw what does "gate 5" mean?

5 gate = build 5 gateways

its a BO from SC1

It was strong for a long time till it was "solved"

no one runs 5 gate anymore

6:35 AM

I still can't help to say "5 gate" in my head with the voice of Wetrix

"two gate gate gate three gate gate gate four gate gate gate gate gate five gate gate gate"

that game looks awesome

well, most games look better in TASes

6:58 AM

I'm off to bed

7:08 AM

sleep well @tzenes

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10:36 AM

Is F7 normally unbound in L4D2?

Gadgets' post mortem

Quite incoherently, this was a proposal of Spolsky's...

by the way -- StackExchanges' new tag limit is 25 \o/

yesterday's posts weren't completely useless.

11:00 AM

notice the downvotes

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A: Make the search box handheld-device friendly

We won't be adding a button, but I guess I could make the background clickable (the search icon is a background-image specified in CSS). edit: I view this as a problem with the browser on that platform, not our problem. If the iPhone browser can handle this, the Zune / Blackberry / etc browser s...

11:18 AM

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A: faq currently discriminates against older consoles

I would say yo keep the first lines up-to date with the latest and geatest, as thi serves as a confirmation that, yes we indeed serve these type of devices such as iPhone gaming (which also covers android gaming BTW ;) ) and adding a line stating we also support the older ones Gaming - Sta...

11:36 AM

Now -- why exactly does Powerpoint export HUGE images?

just created a 3072×1185 picture

lol, I must have hit an internal limit, Powerpoint has cut the result refusing to make it any larger

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oh, and thanks for Orbitron @jzy :D

site stats broken?

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@alex: Means the stats are being recomputed

please waits as the splines are being reticulated.

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2:11 PM

Not a real question.

Indeed

FallenAngelEyes

Good afternoon all

Can somebody please test if L4D2 requires sv_cheats 1 to use the thirdpersonshoulder command?

at times I wish I only answered questions about games I have =P

FallenAngelEyes

2:31 PM

So just open up console and use the command?

yep, in a VAC secured game

I assume those have sv_cheats clamped to 0

or just in local...

FallenAngelEyes

loading up, gimme a sec

1

0 :P

FallenAngelEyes

bomps badp

Cristina

or you can try in a custom training sort of a lobby...that works in tf2 offline practice

2:34 PM

I know I know, sorry

FallenAngelEyes

well

I just started a friends-only game on an Official Dedicated server and it let me do it

Awesome.

FallenAngelEyes

just Quick Joined an ongoing game

also let met do it

anything else you need?

nope, already working to "pay you back" :)

Cristina

is L4D 2 any fun? meaning in tf2 i have loads of fun because its team based, you get the occasional turn around and stuff

Cristina

2:41 PM

two matches are never the same...i don't see that in l4d 2 where you just kill zombies to get to a certain point :)

@FallenAngelEyes enjoy the rep I hope you'll gain from my edit

er

do a similar work for the second table maybe :)

now I have to dash

FallenAngelEyes

@Cristina: I've played a lot with friends and had a great time

@badp: It doesn't hurt to link to the FAQ though, does it? And while facts aren't copyrightable, someone else did all the work, so I was trying to give proper attribution for using a source.

Cristina

@FallenAngelEyes i have friends with whom i can play it, but how do you feel challenged, isn't a bit repetitive to fight against the AI a lot?

FallenAngelEyes

Also, @Cristina, while the games are scripted to a point, the AI director makes it so the game is more dynamic, so you can't expect the exact same playthrough every time.

:185576 You can include the link, yeah :)

FallenAngelEyes

2:50 PM

We've had some epic, epic deaths because the AI decided to throw a bunch of specials at us at the wrong time.

To be honest I assume the "hard work" actually is reading labels on the screen

like I did for my NFS:W dump

Cristina

@FallenAngelEyes i see, is human vs human a popular game of choice? i think it's called versus

FallenAngelEyes

And if the game is too easy, you can ramp up the difficulty, which makes it so you have to be a lot more skilled

Yes, versus is very popular

does L4D2 allow mods?

FallenAngelEyes

I don't play it a whole lot outside of my friend group though

In what way, @badp? There are custom created campaigns that players make through the SDK.

Which is also another way that the game is fun. :)

2:52 PM

...are all the mods mostly blank maps with the only objective of killing enough bajillion zombies?

FallenAngelEyes

I played this one user made mod that was an exact replica of Helm's Deep

Nice to see, then, that L4D2 modding is less brain damaged than Alien Swarm's :)

FallenAngelEyes

The L4D blog is also starting a thing where they highlight a user made campaign for a couple weeks and host it on their dedicated servers

» Objective: kill 200 drones
» Objective: kill 400 drones
» Objective: kill 600 drones
» Objective: kill 1000 drones
» Objective: kill 2000 drones

READY, STEADY, GRIND!

FallenAngelEyes

@Cristina: What I like about L4D is the emphasis on co-op. You really have to help your friends out, and there's mechanics ingame for encouraging that as well. For example, if you get incapacitated, you can only be picked up by another player.

Cristina

3:00 PM

glitch and bug are different

:185607 How so?

Cristina

bugs are most of the time cause by a software error, mostly it's a persons fault

:185607 Maybe, but are the tags used differently?

:185610 Bugs are software errors, glitches are software errors.

Cristina

while glitch can be caused by non-software errors

3:03 PM

If the cause is not related to the game it belongs on Super User

FallenAngelEyes

Game Rec proposal has 18 followers... 42 to go...

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Cristina

true, but like i said imho the term glitch and bug differ a bit, not by a lot, but enough for me to say that you should think about the problem you are having before naming it a bug or a glitch or using the terms inter-changeably

If so, bugs might belong on the site, glitches don't.

:185617 , You should go ask on English.StackExchange.com. Those guys are awesome.

Cristina

i am going to increase my frequency on that site when i start my IELTS

Cristina

3:12 PM

it's not language related more than technical. :)

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Q: Do most languages need more space than English?

I saw the following statement on http://ui.stackexchange.com/questions/1464: Supporting multiple languages can break the user interface, because most languages need more space than english This seems to be a gross generalisation. Does anyone have any data on this?

thats a pretty awesome answer

FallenAngelEyes

I was just reading that as well

Cristina

that is one long word

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It reminds me of why reading Heidegger is such a pain.

(Because he relies heavily on compounds like that, and in general, to preserve his meaning, the english translations are overloaded with words-full-of-hyphens-that-should-be-sentences-unto-themselves)

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, Dutch does that as well, it still baffles me sometimes when I see words in the paper that are the entire column width

3:39 PM

Yay, Tarn sent me my ASCII award

It is beautiful. T,.@@@@-@@-@/\ggg-g-,TOBTOBOO

Cristina

void* is a bad practice?

3:56 PM

as a general rule, yes

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5:45 PM

Hey @Kevin, welcome to chat

:185615 I can't follow that, I haven't played nearly enough titles

6:06 PM

Can I get your attention for a second on an almost completely unrelated thing of mine?

Cristina

shoot

I'd like your feedback of any kind on this:

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Cristina

design wise?

any kind :)

including "man, 2907×1206? seriously?"

Cristina

maybe someone wants a poster :D

6:09 PM

;D

Cristina

it looks ok to me, props for doing the dates, that's pretty important in a tournament

my biggest gripe is with the lines, they ought to be diagonal just like the shapes are

but... Powerpoint doesn't have diagonal connectors! :blush:

Try Visio?

raises eyebrow

is that what "pros" really use to do this kind of stuff?

I mean, I realize I'm abusing Powerpoint there

Well, no, the pros would probably use Illustrator or something

But Visio is closer than Powerpoint :)

And I really wouldn't have seen that you used Powerpoint for that

6:15 PM

I use Visio for things like that all the time

:186130 does Video let me fuck around with shadows and stuff like that? (just asking)

Yeah

Same thing as with Powerpoint IIRC

Wow, Shogun is really angry at me I guess

I'll try Visio then next year. Thank you.

You know what I hate in the full double elimination format?

You can't announce the day of the big final.

You just don't know when it is!

There's this Final II game should the losers' bracket winner defeat the winners' bracket winner

it's just... lame.

"Here's the final, but if the wrong guys win it it's not a final anymore"

Didn't you notice there are two game 4s? :/

Downvoter

6:46 PM

I need you advice

?

Downvoter

should I just risk it and buy the US version? Will it be too impossible to play?

Downvoter

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Q: Why is StarCraft 2 divided by regions?

I live in Argentina, but I love to get all my stuff (be it games, tv series, movies, etc) in English. Battle.net will only let me select one region, which by default is Latin America, that has only Spanish and Portuguese (not to mention that I only get to play with users in the same region). Wh...

starcraft-2 battle.net region-locked

Downvoter

I can play l4d2 a little laggy but ok overall

Downvoter

I'm guessing an RTS would need to transmit less data

Downvoter

6:48 PM

so it should work...

Cristina

you will only play with US citizens

Downvoter

yep

Downvoter

but I'd really hate to play the game in spanish

Isn't it North America?

Cristina

North America :)

Downvoter

6:50 PM

:186180 north america region = usa

Canada?

Downvoter

mexico is considered latin america I think

i absolutely hate photoshop

Oh hi @Jin

Downvoter

Canada is even further so I don't think it'll work ok from here

6:51 PM

If you buy the European version I believe you can choose from all the European languages.

:186183 Haven't we annexed that yet</flamebait>

Cristina

the idea is that for me as a customer is outrageous to pay another 60 dollars for the same piece of software just so i can play with some of my American friends

the text rendering is so horrific, now i have to do screencaps of firebug css tweaking, THEN paste back to photoshop, so my mockup text looks as close to a browser rendering as possible

O_O

not the usual complaint @Jin

Downvoter

6:51 PM

:186188 yes, but I guess the lag will be even worse if I played in the Europe servers

Where do you live?

Downvoter

:186190 completely agree

Downvoter

Argentina, south america

@Jin, I don't want to mess with your workflow but -- wouldn't it be faster to just mock around straight away with CSS?

Are there no English-speaking SA countries?

Downvoter

6:52 PM

not officially

Downvoter

the game is only available in spanish and portuguese anyway

aww.

Ah.

Downvoter

should I risk not being able to play due to lag?

@badp i do it in photoshop first, so people can get the overall "feel." then i convert to photoshop. however in my experience, (gaming meta post for example) people get tied up on text rendering, rightly so.

@badp so i need to present a mockup that's really close to how site will look. but photoshop text rendering is just bad.

Downvoter

6:54 PM

my guess is that it'll work ok, but 60 dollars are 60 dollars

I see

@badp, btw can you download dafont.com/pf-tempesta-seven.font?nb_ppp=50 and do some test for me?

Linux testing, you mean?

Sure

yes.

fires up VirtualBox

Cristina

6:55 PM

for me is 60 euros

:186216 lol

Cristina

and believe me 60 euros is a LOT compared to the american dollar

once you download it, go to gaming.stackexchange.com/questions and change .question-hyperlink {} font to pf tempesta seven; and set font-size to 12px

Fonts are all but cheap -- especially since they're so easy to pirate.

:186218 Roughly $80

Downvoter

6:56 PM

:186218 yes, the exchange rate is very different here also

Downvoter

but I'm not hearing any advice :)

@Juan, is "buy it in the US then" the kind of advice you are looking for? :)

Downvoter

:186224 :D

Cristina

we don't have euro as national currency

Downvoter

and, do you think the lag will make it unplayable?

6:57 PM

The real question is, will Blizzard detect your shenanigans and block you?

Downvoter

no no, I can choose the region I want to play in

Downvoter

but it's a one time choice

Okay, downloading

Cristina

and if you want another region you have to cough up 60 euros

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