@Dissenter I think its time for @Martin to upthepunx a little bit... ;)

@LordStryker even my professor says that electrons pump in and pump out when describing resonance

Thinking about it more I'm not sure if it's that big of a deal at least for organic chemistry and biochemistry. It might be somewhat of a bigger deal now if someone said that in a theoretical chemistry or p-chem class

@Dissenter I don't really consider it a big deal. We teach young students that electrons are particles (or have for years anyway) when they aren't. Its hard to properly describe electrons and their behavior. We have to come up with our own analogies and none of them will be completely correct. Some are better than others yes but... it isn't easy.

@LordStryker Agreed

But yeah, at least his analogy makes me giggle a little bit. Thats a plus.

Lol

I would probably say something along the lines of parallel p orbitals which allows the electrons to be found among multiple nuclei; isn't it better to have more than one nuclei stabilizing electrons anyway?

Cuts to the chase and does away with the sex imagery

but sex man... it sells...

Hehe

Yo do you know Ron's background?

He knows everything

he be dropping terms like symmetry element and be talking about point groups and I be lost

And what the fuck is a 1,2 synaxial attraction

@Dissenter I think users like @ron and @Philipp live outside the Matrix where they've uploaded everything to their brain. They pop into the Matrix every once in a while to help those of us that live here with chemistry problems.

This is the sexiest answer I've ever read

"Perhaps, like in the "how many angels can you draw on the head of a pin" question, the discussion around the question might be as significant as the answer."

What a line

Indeed.

It is unfortunate that his profile gives no indication about the man (or woman) behind the name.

I wish I had ron as my prof

You can be the TA @LordStryker

HA!

@Martin can be the researcher

We have a university right there

@Dissenter without funding we have jack squat :(

@LordStryker Martin can definitely handle the funding himself with his high productivity

And we can bring my German classmate to give Martin company; talk to him in German

@Dissenter Nah, @Martin is too busy working on finding the path to enlightenment. :P

and ron has already reached enlightment

following that seven fold path

@Dissenter @ron was born with it. molded by it.

He found a molecule with 7 axes of symetry

Wait that isn't that hard; cycloheptane fulfils that

Lol at the one guy who made fun of my prof who writes H3N

mimics prof "I've discovered H3N!"

?

what is wrong with H3N?

Lol nothing, it's just that some people don't like it since it's not conventional

Also @LordStryker is it just me but Orgo by Clayden shits over any orgo book I have ever read

I've never read something as clear and awesome

This book literally beats the shit out of anything else I've read (Wade, Brown, Klein, etc.)

I've never seen "Orgo' and 'clear' in two adjacent sentences :P

What's wrong with orgo ?

Clayden feels like it was written by God and speaks to me like Morgan Freeman

i dont get 'orgo' thats all

You didn't like orgo?

Doesn't that imply that both accept 3 (?!) electrons?

@LordStryker

huh?

perhaps its a typo? generally these types of things are referred to as 'proton transfers', not h atom?

This is in the context of redox reactions

NAD+ is an oxidizing agent

Although its possible to have an empty atomic orbital and a singly occupied one on an atom which can in turn accept 3 electrons...

Oh noes

if we want to talk about valence bond theory that is...

I think the textbook author overlooked the fact that the statement could be construed as a 3-electron transfer since the H atom itself has an electron

Transferring H atom + 2 electrons = 3 electron transfer to NAD+

Perhaps the most accurate way to phrase it would be transfer of H+ proton with 2electrons

The electrons acting as glue to form the bond between NAD+ and H+

And no @LordStryker i wanna talk about charge-shift bond theory!!

:(

i dont know what that is

would you like to hear about quantum mechanics and how it might save your life instead? ;)

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