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3:00 PM
and also ( and { are really different in bash shel ksh ...
 
@Braiam damn, it was approved while I was writing my rejection reason. I'll go roll it back
Umm, @Braiam gilles approved it, perhaps we're missing something?
 
@terdon but @Gilles approves it. As a bot he can't made mistake right ?
 
well, lets blame Gilles as always
 
LBG :)
not to be confused with LGB :)
 
@terdon LBG ?
 
3:03 PM
@Kiwy Let's Blame Gilles
 
I'm sure he was thinking it was an answer
 
@terdon duh That make sense :D
 
@Kiwy sure it is, why not?
 
@terdon because basically it's a link to external material
 
@Kiwy no it's not, you've included the image in your A. If you had just given the link to that tool that would be a bad answer but since you've included it it's fine IMO
 
3:05 PM
@Kiwy do I have to click the link to understand your answer?
 
Exactly, if not, then it's fine
 
@Braiam it depends of your knowledge of regexp, basic regexp knowledge still required to understand
 
@Braiam actually, I think the edit is OK. The OP was just using the () to illustrate, it was not an actual syntax error
@Kiwy not with your answer, you show what each part does quite nicely
 
I can write a page long answer and the thing that answers the question in a single link ;)
I have never understood iptables rules that are figurative...
 
figurative ?
 
3:11 PM
@Kiwy by the way, for reasons I have never understood, many countries like Cricket. Including the UK, India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand and about 100 others
 
> departing from a literal use of words; metaphorical.
 
Despite being the most boring game in the world if you haven't been raised in a country that likes it
 
does [a-z] matches the spanish doble elle by the way ?
 
@Kiwy yes, that's two letters, not one
 
they dropped doble elle as single letter
 
3:12 PM
might not match ñ though, depending on your locale
 
@terdon in spanish the ll is one letter
 
same with ch
@Kiwy nope
 
@Kiwy no it's not
neither is rr
They are single phonemes but two letters
 
damn fucking spanish teacher I hate her
 
It's @Braiam's native language ;)
 
3:13 PM
first she explain incorrectly then she learns me shit when I was young
ok didn't know
 
@Kiwy she's not entirely wrong. When you spell something, you refer to it a single letter but it is written as two, there is no single glyph for ll
 
there was a time it was... they noticed that it was more difficult that way
 
@Braiam really? When? Not in our lifetimes I assume?
 
@Braiam so maybe she's not the bitch I think she is ?
 
> Until 1994 ch was also treated as a single letter in Spanish collation order, inserted between C and D; in this way, mancha was after manco and before manda. There was similar special treatment for ll. However, an April 1994 vote in the 10th Congress of the Association of Spanish Language Academies adopted the standard international collation rules, so ch is now considered a sequence of two distinct characters,
nice, the source of wikipedia 404
 
3:18 PM
@Braiam it happens a lot
 
> This digraph was considered a single letter in Spanish orthography, called elle. From 1803 it was collated after L as a separate entry, a practice now abandoned: in April 1994, a vote in the X Congress of the Association of Spanish Language Academies ruled the adoption of the standard Latin alphabet collation rules, so that for purposes of collation the digraph ll is now considered a sequence of two characters.[1]
huh @Braiam the academy's dictionary has the old one:
> f. Dígrafo que, por representar un solo fonema consonántico de articulación tradicionalmente lateral y palatal, es considerado desde 1803 decimocuarta letra del abecedario español. Su nombre es elle. En gran parte de los países y regiones hispánicos se pronuncia como y, con salida central del aire, y con sus mismas variaciones de articulación.
 
yes but I strat spanish at 11 which make it 2001 damnit teacher, she was alway on strike
 
there, corrected the wikipedia :D
 
I don't know if tit's you but thank for the upvote
 
You can give this reference:
> Se excluyen definitivamente del abecedario los signos ch y ll, ya que, en realidad, no son letras, sino dígrafos, esto es, conjuntos de dos letras o grafemas que representan un solo fonema. El abecedario del español queda así reducido a las veintisiete letras siguientes: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, ñ, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z.
So, yes, two letters
 
time to make some wikipedia edits :D
 
@Braiam yes, you're right, that one is better. By the way, did you see the name of one of the academicos?
Víctor García de la Concha
Obviously not Argentinian :)
 
Hey who's the rhel guy in here ? I don't remeber ?
 
@slm is
 
I match half that description
 
3:27 PM
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Q: How do I get emacs on a newly installed Fedora 20 system?

Harry WestonI have upgraded from Linux Fedora 12 to Fedora 20 by buying a new computer, and the shop has kindly installed Linux for me from the DVD I bought for the purpose. I assume he did the most basic installation he could. It is all strange coming from 12, and I am a bit lost. The first thing I tried to...

I bet you can install emacs on fedora
 
@JennyD You're red?
 
I'd like to know why he can't install it
@terdon in this case this is fedora :D
and as @JennyD is in sweeden she's more likely to be blue than red, except when going out of the spa and roll into the snow :D
 
I'm guessing it's an issue with the repos. The equivalent of /apt/sources. It's beena while since I used an RPM system so I don't remember the details but he could also download the rpm from rpm.pbone.net or similar services
 
@Kiwy The repeated "can't resolve host" are a bit of a clue that something's severely b0rken
 
@JennyD that's what I though, but i have no clue how to restore a default repositories conf on yum
 
3:30 PM
@Kiwy That's not the issue - those hosts are resolvable. I'm thinking maybe they're behind some proxy that doesn't get used when they're running yum.
 
@JennyD I didn't thing about that
 
3:42 PM
@terdon I think SU and U&L have different needs here
On SU, most users only care about one major OS family, and the tag system had better help them
The fact that the tag system (meaning the way it was applied in practice) didn't help me was a major reason why I stopped participating in SU
If U&L hadn't existed I might have tried to fix SU, but U&L scratched my Unix answering itch sufficiently
On U&L, a question that's specific to one program is rarely specific to one distribution (except for a few issues like packaging)
If you're, say, an OpenBSD user, you might want to ignore the tag, so you wouldn't want to tag a Vim question merely because the asker is running Linux
 
@Gilles yes, yes, I know, the others have been gradually convincing me. gruble grumble, I hate it when other people are right, gruble grumble
 
@Gilles agrees
 
@Gilles @JennyD you guys should know, is smb available on AIX and if so, is it implemented through samba?
 
@terdon you should be used to it ;-P
(sorry, couldn't resist the evil)
 
@JennyD It happens so very rarely I haven't had the chance to :P
 
3:52 PM
@terdon Sorry, I've been spared AIX so far
 
OK, I was asking re my answer here:
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A: Need to grant two users to an AIX server to just one folder

terdonYou seem to be needlessly complicating things. Personally, I would just do one of Email the files to the users. You're talking about a one-time thing, involving two users and some text files. Just send two emails and your job is done. Copy the files yourself to somewhere where the users already...

Am I missing something or is the OP really complicating things for no reason?
 
it can be done
@terdon he indeed tries to make things overwhelmingly complicated yes
 
@terdon I think that's pretty much the essence of AIX
 
lol
 
ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-aix_samba → but there's an official package
 
3:57 PM
@JennyD to work with a very talended AIX sysadmin, yes it's harder, but in the end it makes things crazy
 
(both links are easy to find with google)
 
Yeah, but anyway that's all overkill if all the OP wants is to share a few text files!
 
@terdon Log files can be huge, though, so just mailing them may not be the answer.
 
@JennyD text == very compressible is what I was thinking.
 
@terdon Yes, log files will usually give you about a 95% reduction. But that may still be too large to mail.
 
4:03 PM
@terdon still 5g of txt will not be easyli "mailable"
 
All true, which is why I would just copy them to a shared folder which presumably already exists in the kind of complex setup described
 
@terdon Yep, agreed.
Home time. waves
 
@JennyD bye
 
5:06 PM
Hi everyone.
 
5:16 PM
unix.stackexchange.com/questions/115925/… ... hmmm, why'd people close that as off-topic?
That's a pretty well-known bug in the Intel drivers/chipsets or the displays, or at least I thought it was well-known...
 
5:30 PM
@derobert Do you want me to vote to reopen? If so, say the word.
 
Please do
That'll make you the second vote, just need to find 3 more...
 
@derobert Done.
@terdon I practically never use the linux tag, though I do use the debian one. Should I be doing so?
 
@FaheemMitha well, community consensus seems to be that no.
@derobert voted
 
@terdon Um, based on responses to your question, I say it is yes. Maybe you misunderstood what I wrote. To be clear, using the linux tag is a good thing. Right?
 
@FaheemMitha I think so, but most of the others are saying that is should be used exclusively for issues that are applicable to all Linux flavors and not for things that are distro-specific. Personally, I would also use it for the distro specific ones but I seem to be in a minority
 
5:54 PM
@terdon Oh, I see.
I think it is reasonable to use for distro-specific questions too.
Though, really, most questions on this site are about OS's using the Linux kernel, so it would get a lot of use.
 
Doesn't apply to 90% of the questions on the site? Not entirely sure that's really useful
, etc. are more useful, because someone could actually want to follow them... I suppose someone could want to ignore , but that'd be weird—you're on expert on all Unix-like systems except Linux?
 
slm
6:17 PM
@derobert I closed it ""Questions describing a problem that can't be reproduced and seemingly went away on its own"
These Q's with 1-2 sentences and are either config or hardware or setup or specific to my computer problems are pretty worthless IMO. If the guy wants to put at least some effort in then I'm game, I think I generally work the bulk of these types of Q's already, terdon does a fair share too, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the OP to put some effort into solving their own Q's.
 
6:38 PM
@derobert same as slm, I can't be totally sure that there would be a correct answer with that one. I don't know why I didn't voted as unclear, maybe because I presumed it was a HW failure
 
Seriously?
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A: How to sort a list of files

TomAssuming your input text stream consists of either fully qualified path names of files, or simply files in the same directory you issue the command, you can use the ls command with a couple of parameters to get the lastest timestamped files first by using the command ls where (listoffiles is the ...

 
6:54 PM
do we need a book about Device manipulation?
 
@terdon Could be worse! Could be:
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Q: How many IOPS do I need? My actual workload bottleneck is storage.

TotorHow can I know how many IOPS I need my storage to deliver to my Linux server? I have a server and I know it has storage as its bottleneck. I would like the bottleneck not to be storage, I thus need to size the storage array performance. How?

 
 
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9:21 PM
There is some standard utility for extracting subsets of a pdf file, but the name escapes me.
 
@FaheemMitha pdftk
 
@MichaelMrozek yes, that is what i was thinking. I remember another utility, but maybe it is dead.
 
slm
10:29 PM
wrote up an answer
 
@slm was it interesting?
I was thinking it was curious, but the current answers didn't cut it up to the profundity of the question
 
@slm "Unix systems & Linux generally do nothing to enforce duplicates in the /etc/passwd file." Pehaps you meant "lack of duplicates" or similar?
Or perhaps a better form would be 'prohibit duplicates".
 
10:57 PM
@Braiam there are valid reasons for that, see my answer.
 
@terdon it was a good question, but the answers where meh-ish
 
@Braiam very. And then @slm came along :)
 
11:14 PM
yay! 313 items in the queue
 
slm
11:58 PM
@terdon - thanks for fixing my goof
 
@slm hey, makes me feel useful :)
 
slm
I know about this file first hand, that was where a backdoor was put into my main DMZ server at home 10+ years ago
 
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