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ff524
ff524
2:04 AM
@MassimoOrtolano I'm not even a little bit surprised by that story
 
 
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ff524
ff524
3:56 AM
@MassimoOrtolano in general, my students tend to be very bad at applying things they've learned in a context other than the one they've learned it in. My department recently started asking "word problems" rather than problems defined purely in mathematical equations on the exams for the basic graduate EE probability course, and the results were really terrible.
@MassimoOrtolano I have seen it myself in my queuing theory course this semester. Ask my students questions about service times of queues and servers and it's all good, but when I ask them the same problem about waiting at a bus stop, they're completely perplexed.
 
 
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Meta Academia
Meta Academia
5:31 AM
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Q: Can this kind of question be asked here?

ViziionaryI've got a theory for an open source software that will enable an education system to operate with far greater effectiveness, and I want to start an open source project to develop it and release it free to any government which might want to use it, but before I move forward with the project, I wa...

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Viziionary
Viziionary
6:55 AM
If anyone has any feedback on this concept, let me know: meta.academia.stackexchange.com/questions/3311/…
 
ff524
ff524
@Viziionary I have some feedback on your summary:
> The purpose of this system is to take away the repetitive yearly work of re-teaching a subject from the teacher, and leave it to a high quality video. This allows the teacher to spend more time one-on-one with students and focus on the big picture and also individual tutoring needs of each individual. It makes leaps and bounds toward keeping teachers, students, and parent involved together and communicating efficiently. It potentially makes progress toward world goals of a more affordable education systems at all levels, as fewer teachers …
Those are some big claims there :)
 
Viziionary
Viziionary
@ff524 What are your reservations?
 
ff524
ff524
Regarding the first, "The purpose of this system is to take away the repetitive yearly work of re-teaching a subject from the teacher, and leave it to a high quality video" - this is not a new idea. See e.g. "flipped classroom", online education, etc. There are some drawbacks and known problems with these methods, which you should look into.
Regarding "This allows the teacher to spend more time one-on-one with students and focus on the big picture and also individual tutoring needs of each individual." - again, looking at current online education, it's not clear that eliminating the 'live lecturing' duties of the instructor allows them to spend more individual time with students.
 
Viziionary
Viziionary
Well, remember this differs from the typical format; these students arent separated from the teacher by a screen, the teacher is in the classroom with them.
 
ff524
ff524
Regarding "It makes leaps and bounds toward keeping teachers, students, and parent involved together and communicating efficiently." - I can't comment on K-12, because I don't have much experience there. In higher education, there are existing CMS/LMS systems, some of them developed specifically with online in mind. It's not clear how yours helps ease communcation in "leaps and bounds".
@Viziionary See "flipped classroom"
"It potentially makes progress toward world goals of a more affordable education systems at all levels, as fewer teachers will be able to handle more students, with greater effectiveness" - again, not clear that this is true.
I remember reading in the newspaper about a similar system at the K-12 level in my city.
There were some problems. Some students did well in this format. Some did not.
Your proposal would be much more convincing if it demonstrated an awareness of all the related "alternative" education methods that have already been proposed and tried, what their drawbacks were, and how your system overcomes them.
 
Viziionary
Viziionary
7:01 AM
The specification of the format, as well of the quality of the software interface, its engineering and design and format, and UX, would be highly relevant in the resulting effectiveness.
 
ff524
ff524
@Viziionary Well, none of that is present in your proposal, so I can't judge as to whether the UX/engineering/software would really be much better than what's currently out there :)
I can only talk about the concept.
 
Viziionary
Viziionary
Right
Im reading about the flipped classroom
@ff524 the most popular result on google seems to outline the concept very nicely
 
ff524
ff524
There are many "alternate" models of education out there. Flipped classroom is one. There are others
See e.g. this article about a flipped school: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/…
 
Viziionary
Viziionary
Points 5-7 seem to support the idea that the model can be effective if done right
 
ff524
ff524
This article about another "alternative" approach: nytimes.com/2009/07/22/education/22school.html
@Viziionary Yes, there is some consensus that the "flipped" classroom can be very effective if the educator does it well. Which is of course easier said than done :)
Anyways, I have to go. That was all the feedback I had on your outline. Good luck :)
 
Viziionary
Viziionary
7:11 AM
@ff524 thanks
 
 
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Massimo Ortolano
Massimo Ortolano
9:00 AM
@ff524 Yeah, I'm not surprised either, but I'd have hoped for a larger fraction of correct guesses. What you observe in your courses is probably common everywhere, students frequently learn by separate "boxes": sometimes I have to remind to my students that even if my courses are called Electronic Measurements, what they've learned in Circuit Theory and Electronic Circuits is still valid.
 
scaaahu
scaaahu
9:26 AM
@ff524 Is the post "Received post-doc, how to proceed?" a spam or a troll? I know something was wrong.
 
ff524
ff524
@scaaahu Yes, it's the same persistent troll. This time he re-posted an old question (academia.stackexchange.com/questions/49639/…) verbatim, just adding that line about the reader being a sucker.
I really don't understand what this guy gets out of trolling this site...
 
scaaahu
scaaahu
@ff524 Thanks. I am glad you catch it.
 
Brian Tompsett - 汤莱恩
Brian Tompsett - 汤莱恩
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jakebeal
jakebeal
5:26 PM
Can one of the moderators please check whether this person is genuinely confused or one of our repeat trolls? academia.stackexchange.com/q/68259/22733
 
ff524
ff524
5:51 PM
@jakebeal still the troll. Ugh. (P.S. to alert a mod about a potentially suspicious post, flag it)
 
jakebeal
jakebeal
6:08 PM
@ff524 Can you tell if it is just one person, or several?
 
ff524
ff524
@jakebeal It was one person, but now he's getting around IP ban by getting friends to post for him
 
jakebeal
jakebeal
6:44 PM
@ff524 Hope they'll get bored soon...
 
ff524
ff524
@jakebeal maybe when the semester ends
 
StrongBad
StrongBad
7:37 PM
Please flag things that you think might be the troll.
 
Massimo Ortolano
Massimo Ortolano
8:22 PM
Literally: the Academy of the bewildered. It was was established in 1525 in Siena, Italy, and it was a real academy. Let's say that almost 500 years has passed since then, but academia has no shortage of bewildereds ;-)
("have" passed -- I wish messages could be corrected for a longer time...)
 

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