The Nineteenth Byte

ATaco

12:00 AM

It seems that the maker of ValyrioS has revoked all their answers.

aditsu

@Mego and good news is that it's free.. modulo some work to set it up

hmm, I have a non-secure site, but chromium is not saying anything

ah, maybe because I have an older version

Anonymous

Also it only complains if you have a password field right now

aditsu

yes I have a password field

um.. that was probably a stupid thing to admit publicly :p

Anonymous

Then yeah, blame outdated software

aditsu

btw, I remember browsers used to complain about insecure posts for any forms, not just passwords

with an option to turn off the warning, which I always did in the first minute :p

Qwerp-Derp

12:11 AM

@NathanMerrill You probs need docs for the commands I have no idea how it works

@NathanMerrill Also if you're using GUI, why not use Processing?

Qwerp-Derp

12:27 AM

What's Salesforce?

There's like a whole SE site dedicated to it

Destructible Watermelon

@Mego worst ui I've ever seen is the amazon store

Conor O'Brien

worst ui is no ui IMO

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien I used to play Mafia over IRC. It was worlds better than ToS

Conor O'Brien

oh yeah ToS is trash

Qwerp-Derp

EpicMafia is decent

It's kinda like a UI version of Mafia, it's alright

At least it's better than ToS

Nathan Merrill

12:36 AM

@Qwerp-Derp because its already written, and I am trying to keep the dependencies down

Qwerp-Derp

Aww :( if you wrote the thing in Processing I could've helped

Nathan Merrill

right, but I already force Java on people

4

I'd then be forcing people to install and use another language

Qwerp-Derp

Nah, the Processing library

There's both a library and a language, and they're essentially the same (except that one's a library and one's a lang)

Nathan Merrill

anyways, the API is huge. There really is so many different things you can pass in and set

I'll definitely get started on documenting it all, but for now, the majority of what you need is in the KoTHComm class

Qwerp-Derp

Ah KK

@NathanMerrill Do you want to play a quick game of Black Hole?

In fact does anyone want to play a quick game?

Nathan Merrill

12:46 AM

@Qwerp-Derp just about to eat :)\

New Main Posts

12:59 AM

0

Q: Anti-Karaoke Mahcine

Do you ever want to make a song out of someone's voice, and you are too lazy to do it yourself? Have you ever gotten stuck on this type of program? Your answer is probably no. Some info before you start This may not be applicable to many golfing languages, as they don't have file or audio manip...

wat

1:15 AM

would this work for StackChat to use ChatExchange?

github.com/steeve/rupy

Matthew Roh

Anyone here use discord?

Should I make a question about "MAKING EPIC DUBSTEP DROPS"

feersum

1:40 AM

No.

5

quartata

2:06 AM

@Qwerp-Derp Salesforce is one of those stupid marketing campaign tools that sends out mass mails and keeps track of clicks and statistics and all that kind of junk

Destructible Watermelon

yay first win as executioner!

Maltysen

o_O: mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/135937/…

quartata

exe is boring as all hell

Destructible Watermelon

;_;

quartata

?

LegionMammal978

2:31 AM

I wonder why I'm factoring a 137-digit number right now

wat

@mınxomaτ Just use LE

LegionMammal978

I've been running it for the past couple days, Msieve's currently giving me an ETA of ~2h25m

wat

@LegionMammal978 why

LegionMammal978

@wat why not, gotta use my i7 for something

Quad-core, been running this with 6 of the 8 threads

wat

tfw all your garbage trucks pile up

LegionMammal978

2:41 AM

@wat tfw?

wat

@LegionMammal978 yeah

LegionMammal978

@wat As in, what does "tfw" mean

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 That feeling when...

LegionMammal978

oic thx

LegionMammal978

3:04 AM

ETA @ 1h50m currently

Matthew Roh

I would like to retrieve my previous(before kicked) data but I cant

wat

@MatthewRoh wat data

Matthew Roh

The tons of reps I had before getting kicked

wat

@MatthewRoh reps?

Matthew Roh

Reputation

So I cant get those back except if there is a mass like

LegionMammal978

3:11 AM

Kicked?

Mistah Figgins

His account got deleted because of the age restriction, right?

ATaco

Mathmatica has a Built in for Detecting Goats. Why.

Matthew Roh

Right

@ATaco because mathematica has builtins for everything

Mistah Figgins

@ATaco The answer to "why does Mathmatica have a built in for ___" is always "Why not?"

ATaco

Clearly I'm doing language design wrong, I forgot to include the "Detect Goat" builtin.

Mistah Figgins

3:14 AM

Man, I forgot too. Del|m|t has 32 commands, and not a single one for goats

Matthew Roh

Lol

LegionMammal978

@MistahFiggins The answer to "why does Mathmatica have a built in for string processing" is always "It doesn't. You can't process strings in this language."

ATaco

I am going to give RProgN a Goat builtin right away.

Mistah Figgins

@LegionMammal978 Why are you doing string processing when you could be doing cool cellular automata?

LegionMammal978

@MistahFiggins Because string processing is what most PPCG challenges come down to :(

Mistah Figgins

3:16 AM

Yea... :(

And it's the subject of my only challenge

Matthew Roh

roses are red

Violets are blue

When i say go

Be ready to throw

LegionMammal978

> DivideByZeroException

ATaco

GoatOverflowException

LegionMammal978

Fun fact: Mathematica can retrieve the VW logo in 47 bytes

"Financial"~Entity~"DE:VOW"~EntityValue~"Image"

ATaco

But how quickly can it retrieve My Taco?

feersum

3:28 AM

What's with your taco? It looks like a waffle.

Matthew Roh

I'm gonna make an esolang called Tetrisfuck

Mistah Figgins

@MatthewRoh details?

Matthew Roh

BF, with tetris blocks

gist.github.com/rpinkerton/46358e117a7ca227445b wait, w, what the..?

ATaco

It's a lego Taco.

wat

what is the age restriction?

Mistah Figgins

3:43 AM

>= 13 I think...

maybe

Downgoat

4:08 AM

._. CS teacher say regex: $(.+)$ is very unclear way of getting text between parens

IMO it is clearer than s.substring(s.indexOf("(") + 1, s.lastIndexOf(")"))

ATaco

Lua does it nicer, for once

str:match"%b()"

Anonymous

4:27 AM

The better question is, why is your CS teacher teaching Javascript?

Downgoat

it's Java

Anonymous

Oh, duh, I'm an idiot

Anonymous

Your CS teacher probably doesn't understand regexes very well :P

Downgoat

I mean she is a public High School CS teacher :P

Mistah Figgins

At least she understands it ;P

Anonymous

4:31 AM

Yeah, public high school teachers aren't exactly held to a very high standard

Anonymous

Which is a shame

Mistah Figgins

Mine is very iffy on all sorts of stuff

ATaco

Our Public Highschool Teacher didn't do any more than HTML.

Mistah Figgins

At least, he can't teach a bunch of stuff

ATaco

But you know, Australian Highschools.

Downgoat

4:32 AM

speaking of Australia. @ASCII-Only disappeared again :(

ATaco

He does that.

It's Working/Schooling hours.

Well, not Schooling hours anymore.

But it's Working hours.

Anonymous

My high school CS teacher only taught CS because the previous teacher quit, and the school couldn't find a replacement, and she got the short straw.

ATaco

I should be Working, but RProgN Needs it's ascii goats.

Downgoat

@ATaco I agree

ATaco

T now holds an Ascii Art Goat. For Goat Purposes.

I'll find a practical use for this, in due course.

Downgoat

4:35 AM

@ATaco I asked @Riker to add an goat printing builtin to FOG (his esolang), and it actually came in useful one time

54

A: Output a googol copies of a string

Fuzzy Octo Guacamole, 13 12 11 10 bytes 9+ddpp![g] Making 10^100 is long. :/ Shorter now! I've been outgolfed in my own language, thanks @Henning. 9+ddpp![g] 9+ # push 9 and increment, giving 10 dd # duplicate, twice. now you have [10,10,10] pp # raise a 10 to t...

ATaco

I know, I saw that answer and was quite impressed.

Downgoat

Me too :P

ATaco

Oh hey, I'm using the same Ascii goat!

Sadly my AsciiGoat doesn't autoprint.

Anonymous

@Downgoat I can't believe I never made an Actually answer

Downgoat

@Dennis feature-request TIO REPLs :D If I can make a working REPL backend can you add to TIO

ATaco

4:39 AM

I was going to submit a Lua answer which involved counting down a string version of a googol, but I never got around to it.

Downgoat

@Mego Actually has a goat built-in? :O

Anonymous

@Downgoat sigh

Anonymous

Once I finish libraries, feel free to contribute a goat builtin for the "weird golfing tasks" library

Downgoat

Am I crazy or is there something wrong with following lex code:

<INITIAL>["]                                      this.begin("DQ_STRING");
<INITIAL>[']                                      this.begin("SQ_STRING");
<DQ_STRING>[^"\\]*                                stringBuffer += yytext;
<SQ_STRING>[^'\\]*                                stringBuffer += yytext;
<SQ_STRING,DQ_STRING>\\u\{[0-9A-Fa-f]+\}          stringBuffer += String.fromCodePoint( parseInt( yytext.slice(3, -1), 16 ) );
<SQ_STRING,DQ_STRING>\\"0"                        stringBuffer += "\u0000";

ATaco

Any good golfing langauge Must contain a Goat builtin.

@Dennis I'm sorry, Jelly is incomplete.

Mistah Figgins

4:43 AM

When I finish Sfear, there will be a goat printing function

Downgoat

thank you

I should create a goat printing challenge for incentive :P

ATaco

Please do.

RProgN now has a 1 byte solution.

T

Mistah Figgins

It will pop an integer from the stack as its size, negative is left facing

lol

ATaco

What is Z E R O G O A T

Anonymous

@MistahFiggins No, negative should be upside-down

Mistah Figgins

4:46 AM

Oh yeah!

Dennis

@ATaco I can live with that.

ATaco

Goat Builtin.

Dennis

@Downgoat Btw why did you spend 50 rep on a bounty that ended up with no winner?

Downgoat

I forgot to award

Mistah Figgins

Ok, I need to implement a goat printing function in del|m|t

Downgoat

4:49 AM

wait as a mod can you refund my bounty so I can properly award :3

Dennis

@ATaco sighs

ATaco

I also fixed the require problems in RProgN.

Dennis

@Downgoat Nope. I can only refund the bounty while it's still active.

ATaco

And made Flow of Control Functional instead of the current broken state it's in.

I didn't just add a Goat builtin.

Qwerp-Derp

I've got a game idea:

Dennis

4:50 AM

@Downgoat If you implement it in a language I can maintain, go ahead.

Qwerp-Derp

Two players play on a grid of points (like Go), and the objective is to not make a square. Whoever makes a square first loses.

Downgoat

@Dennis so... not node.js? >_>

Qwerp-Derp

Is anyone interested?

Dennis

@Downgoat Absolutely not.

Qwerp-Derp

@Dennis What's wrong with node.js?

Dennis

4:51 AM

It's JavaScript, only weirder.

Anonymous

Node is unmaintainable. You heard it here ~~first~~, folks.

Riker

@ATaco heck yeah goat ascii art ftw

Qwerp-Derp

Fine then... what's worse? PHP or Node.js?

ATaco

Node.js.

Riker

@ATaco hey thanks

yeah it actually is shorter than printing anything else I think

not sure if tha'ts good or bad

wait i can print "None" for the same byte

Qwerp-Derp

4:52 AM

@ATaco I wish a downstar's possible now

ATaco

Well, PHP atleast was designed to do it's job.

Node.js exists because frontend developers felt uncomfortable not getting ALL the credit.

Dennis

And does it horribly.

Qwerp-Derp

> "I don’t know how to stop it, there was never any intent to write a programming language […] I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language, I just kept adding the next logical step on the way." - Rasmus Lerdorf, co-creator of PHP

ATaco

I never said it was designed well.

Qwerp-Derp

It wasn't even designed to be a language though

ATaco

4:56 AM

Neither was AutoHotkey.

Personally, I'd rather write in neither PHP, Nor Javascript/Node.Sadness

Qwerp-Derp

@ATaco What would you write in then

ATaco

I'd rather not do web development.

Qwerp-Derp

AutoHotkey is a hodgepodge of things - it used to be useful, and then it spiralled out of control (apparently)

@ATaco You sound like you've done web dev

ATaco

I'm still using it.

I have done, Some, web dev.

Qwerp-Derp

If you had to do web dev, what's your choice of backend?

ATaco

4:58 AM

It makes me sad.

My Choice of Back-end is PHP, because that's the environment I have setup already.

Qwerp-Derp

@ATaco How are you finding PHP?

Also what about Django? Or Ruby on Rails?

ATaco

How does one find Roadkill when they're starving?

Haven't tried either, although I like the Prospect of RoR.

Qwerp-Derp

Or if you want obscurity, how about Clojurescript and stuff?

You can technically write an entire webpage using nothing but Clojure and Clojurescript

ATaco

I think you're assuming I've done more Web Development than I have.

Qwerp-Derp

Yup, I think I am

ATaco

5:01 AM

I've made webtools, mostly for things that I need when I need them. Nothing overly fancy.

Qwerp-Derp

I might try making a whole website using Clojure and Clojurescript just for the lols

ATaco

Do it using nothing but Frontend JS with Lua.vm.js

It makes puppies cry.

A webpage, Written in Lua, Interpreted by C, Compiled to Javascript.

Qwerp-Derp

Make everything out of one HTML page

Actually one PHP page

ATaco

Too easy.

Qwerp-Derp

And just include <script>s, <style>s, <?php>s

Once someone does that, every web developer will promptly jump off a very tall cliff

ATaco

5:04 AM

<script>var pages = {MAIN: "<HTML>...</HTML>"} function goto(var page){document.innerHTML = pages[page];}</script>

Downgoat

@Dennis OK, how about Java

that is like most maintainble language

You'll get lots of nice TIOFactoryREPLFactoryWrappers

Dennis

That's even worse. At least I know a little JS. Can't say the same for Java.

I'll take Bash or Python.

Downgoat

._.

okay there is going to be no TIO REPL then :(

Anonymous

I'm not even sure what purpose a TIO REPL would serve

Qwerp-Derp

I downloaded Cursive on IntelliJ

ATaco

5:07 AM

I wrote a REPL for Goluaf because of this.

I may write a REPL for RProgN...

Hmmm...

Qwerp-Derp

@ATaco I pronounce Goluaf like "Goal-waff" for some reason

ATaco

I pronounce it "Go Loo-af".

Downgoat

I don't understand what is so bad about Node.js

it's exactly like python, if you don't code it properly of course it's unmaintable

Qwerp-Derp

@Downgoat Ayy we share the same opinion

I don't know what's bad about node.js

Downgoat

@Qwerp-Derp there is nothing it is just cool to bandwagon :P

I'm curious as to how much of my life I have wasted debugging bugs caused by typos :/

Mistah Figgins

5:14 AM

@Downgoat At least its a mechanical mistake and not a brain fart

Yay, new gaot printing in del|m|t

Dennis

md5sum -c <(echo 60b725f10c9c85c70d97880dfe8191b3  .output.tio) && exit 1

ATaco

Why gaot though?

Mistah Figgins

Prints N goats

Because I can

Anonymous

@Downgoat Forced asynchronous programming is not a good thing

Mistah Figgins

I'll add an option so that you can do both

Downgoat

5:23 AM

@Mego there are sync alternatives to the async functions

ATaco

M A N Y G O A T

The solutions to the question nobody asked.

Mistah Figgins

One upped

Downgoat

@ATaco you are my new favorite taco

ATaco

Most Excellent.

Mistah Figgins

For some reason, I can't seem to log into chat on mobile

I normally use google to log in, but it just says that the account isn't recognized

Any ideas? The app works fine

But not chat

ATaco

5:33 AM

Chat uses your Phone's Web Browser.

Dennis

I miss MathJax. This was painful.

1

A: Approximate Brun's Constant

Python 3, 78 77 75 70 bytes f=lambda n,k=3,m=1,j=0:k<n and j*m%k*(1/k+1/(k-2))+f(n,k+2,m*k**4,m%k) Try it online! Background Recall that Wilson's theorem states that for all integers k > 1, where a ≡ b (mod d) means that a - b is evenly divisible by d, i.e., a and b have the same residu...

Mistah Figgins

Hmm. got some unknown error just now

reloading fixed it

Anonymous

@Dennis I gave you an upvote for your troubles. Hopefully that helps.

wat

Why dont we have mathjax?

Mistah Figgins

Yay I fixed it! This one's from my phone!

DJMcMayhem

5:44 AM

@wat it broke things

20

Q: Do we really want LaTeX/MathJax (right now)?

Update: The decision has been made to deactivate MathJax on the site. This does not reflect the current votes, as these changed significantly after the decision was made. We've had MathJax support for 3 days now. While it makes our maths challenges look neat, it has also created two problems: ...

discussion status-completed latex

wat

so I have an account.

Stack Exchange App Test

1 1

New Main Posts

0

Q: Print 'em goats

Related Goats are great. Everybody loves goats. And they also, for some reason, are an excellent complex ascii art for many languages to have built-ins for. Because of this, I personally feel a catalogue to document just how easily a language can print goats is greatly needed. The Challenge G...

code-golf string ascii-art kolmogorov-complexity

Mistah Figgins

6:03 AM

Lol, really?

wat

please upvote this

0

A: Be there or be square!

Bash + coreutils, 54 bytes if [ -d $1 ];then mv $0 $1;else echo "+-+ | | +-+";fi Simple enough, does a test to see if the first argument exists, if it exists, then moves itself into the argument, else prints the square. Does not work on Windows, however it works on Bash on Ubuntu on Windows /...

ATaco

That's a pretty risky thing to ask, wat

wat

Thanks people

now I can use that user to chat

DJMcMayhem

I'm very tempted to downvote

wat

Does anyone here have experience with ChatExchange?

@DJMcMayhem I don't think answer downvotes affect reputation

DJMcMayhem

6:06 AM

They absolutely do

Mistah Figgins

@wat no

wat

or are those question downvotes?

DJMcMayhem

Both

wat

I'm pretty sure that I have gotten answers downvoted before with no penalty

DJMcMayhem

I'm sure you haven't

ATaco

6:08 AM

The Penalty is very low.

wat

what have i done

what is this

I feel like my laptop keyboard is better than my desktop keyboard

Riker

6:34 AM

@wat hey do you own "SE App Test"?

wat

@Riker yeah, why?

Riker

if so, please put that into the answer/user's account

wat

ok

Riker

otherwise sockpuppeting can be inferred from that, even with that kind of name

wat

ok

@Riker Is that better?

Riker

6:38 AM

ye

wat

Also, what caused yo uto change your name?

Riker

no reason really

it's my name IRL so I decided just for kicks

wat

k

Qwerp-Derp

Ayy Cursive is pretty neat

(ns test
  (:gen-class))

(defn prime? [n]
  (not
    (some
      zero?
      (for [a (range 2 (inc (Math/floor (Math/sqrt n))))]
        (mod n a)))))

(defn factors [n]
  (loop [a []
         b n]
    (if (prime? b)
      (conj a b)
      (let
        [c (first
             (for [d (range 2 (inc (Math/floor (Math/sqrt b)))) :when (zero? (mod b d))]
               d))]
        (recur (conj a c) (/ b c))))))

(println (factors 101))

wat

looks like a lisp dialect

Qwerp-Derp

6:41 AM

It is, it's Clojure

Mistah Figgins

7:06 AM

Why the downvotes on the goat question?

ATaco

It's not a great challenge, all things considered

Mistah Figgins

7:22 AM

True

Fatalize

Goats are becoming as funny of a meme as how juic avocad

wat

@Fatalize what is that even

Fatalize

@wat A shitty ppcg meme

wat

@Fatalize link pls

Fatalize

20

A: The Many Memes of PPCG

Meme: how does juice an avocado I have try for thirtee minut and no juic Originator: Alex A. Cultural Height: 22 September 2015 - Present Background: Alex said something dumb about avocados to PhiNotPi in chat. It has since escalated. Exhibit A: Usage example: Literally anything about avoca...

wat

7:27 AM

here is a picture of 17 year old Donald Trump

New Main Posts

7:45 AM

3

Q: Split a grid into a grid

Introduction There is a small village with nothing but a few houses and empty fields. The local bureaucrats want to divide the village into lots so that each lot contains exactly one house, and the borders of the lots form a nice straight-line grid. Your task is to determine whether this is poss...

code-golf grid decision-problem set-partitions

Matthew Roh

8:01 AM

Shud I mak question on juic avocado

so code juic avocado

wait there is one

then lets make an esolang instead

anyways

what do you think about the idea of mixing games and esolangs

like tetris + BF

Like each blocks in tetris corresponds to each commands

so [->+<]

becomes:

#_#_#__#_#_#
###_##_#####
#_##_####__#

What do you think

Stack Exchange App Test

Test.

Matthew Roh

um

Stack Exchange App Test

ok that works now

yeah?

Matthew Roh

lel

Stack Exchange App Test

what is lel'y about this

Matthew Roh

8:15 AM

why not use main account

Stack Exchange App Test

testing purposes

Matthew Roh

lol

ur sending in with SE chat api?

wat

not yet

isn't working for some reason

ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'users'

Matthew Roh

do you think a language with a goat builtin is gud

wat

ye

ask @Downgoat

Matthew Roh

8:17 AM

also what do you think about an esolang with tetris

anyone like one of my posts(wait do i only have one) so i can comment

halp me

kek

wat

dont you have 41 rep

you only need 25 to comment

anyway you have 51 now

Matthew Roh

thanks

Matthew Roh

8:31 AM

so... Anyone want to make an interpreter for TetrisFuck?

DLosc

@MatthewRoh Not really. I'll quote the standard party line on BF derivatives:

Dec 15 '16 at 19:34, by Dennis

> A friendly message from The Name of All that is Good and Holy: Hello! This is The Name of All that is Good and Holy. Before you think of making your own extension to this language, here's another idea for you to consider: Don't! For the love of me, please don't make another derivative of this language! Unless you have something truly new to contribute, it's been done a million times before and will probably make it worse than the original.

Matthew Roh

oh.

DLosc

If you want to do it as a private project, for practice implementing esolangs, no problem.

New Sandboxed Posts

8:56 AM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Find the shortest Golomb ruler of order 42 Golomb rulers are sets of integers such that no two pairs of integers in the set are the same distance apart. For example, [0, 1, 4, 6] is a Golomb ruler because all distances between two integers in this set are unique: 0, 1 -> distance 1 0, 4 -> di...

Matthew Roh

9:09 AM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/107454/dont-give-me-five/… Finally my answer on dont give me five

betseg

9:39 AM

I was in a ferry and saw some flamingos flying by :D

Qwerp-Derp

Is it possible to make ClojureF**k (Clojurescript + JSF**k)?

betseg

Probably

Qwerp-Derp

Well Clojurescript bailed on me

! is equal to not in cljs

to get the nth element of a string I have to use nth

So no cljfk :(

aditsu

@wat have you seen this?

Qwerp-Derp

10:02 AM

What if instead of C, the "built-in" language was based off lambda calculus?

Laikoni

Looks like pointfree.io does not handle any form of do-notation, eg. `f x = do x+1` is not converted, even though the `do` has no effect. And as far as I know list comprehensions are syntactic sugar for do-notation: `f x = [k|k<-[1..]] !! x` desugars to `f x = (do k<-[1..]; return k) !! x` which is not handled by pointfree.io too. If you desugar the do-notation to `f x = ([1..] >>= \ k -> return k) !! x` then pointfree.io converts it to `f = ([1..] !!)` as wished.
I don't think the lack of list comprehension to pointfree conversion matters much for golfing purposes though, a non-trivial lis…

flawr

10:17 AM

@Laikoni Ah that is interesting, I'm not too familiar with haskell yet, so thank you very much for the explanation! I was just confused because the site just returned no code at all (not even an error message=).

Matthew Roh

10:32 AM

Should we make a question with both self editing and radiation hardening

Qwerp-Derp

10:49 AM

@Zgarb Are you on? I have a question about lambda calculus

How does the successor function in LC work? (Successor = λn.λf.λx.f (n f x))

Transcript for